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Re: Dead 7603

 

Thanks, everybody, for your help. Here's where I am now: Primary not
open; it measures about 3 ohms with the on/off switch on (obviously open
with it off!). Poked around P1171 and measured DC voltages. -50V,
-15V, +15V, +50V, and +130V all within spec. +5V measured 4.46 V, when
it's supposed to be 4.85V minimum. Hey, the power light is lit now!
Must have been a bad connection that I reconnected when moving the power
supply section back into place. Checking ripple and looking for shorted
tantalum capacitor(s) on the +5V rail next.

Jim

------ Original Message ------
From: "Vintage Test via Groups.Io" <mel.purcell@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 6/29/2018 7:31:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Dead 7603

Hi Jim,

On a 7603 - and I've sorted a lot of them - the main culprits of no
power-up, when you've checked all the usual suspects, is the power
supply filter capacitors. To check these, you will have to remove the
raw voltage power unit, situated at the bottom rear of the 'scope.
There are three large cross-head screws on each side of the chassis,
which allows you to carefully draw out the mains transformer and
attendant rectifier/capacitor PCB. If the capacitors are all metal
cased, it is likely that these are faulty now and need replaced.
Looking at the rear of the 'scope, there is a rectifier attached to the
bottom left corner , underneath the PCB. This is the +/- 15V rectifier
and the two caps nearest the left edge are the reservoirs. If these
don't have about 24V DC on them, then nothing else will work. Have a
look at this and get back to us.
--
you can never have enough oscilloscopes, DMMs, valve testers or
soldering irons . . .



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Re: MEDIA MAIL (Re: [TekScopes] I have two Tek manuals I don't think I need)

 

David, they absolutely don't want to offer it.

I just mailed a book (a user guide for a camera) to a friend. The counter
agent was funny. I handed the package over and said "it's a book and it
should go the cheapest way possible." I didn't mention "Media mail" mostly
as a test after seeing Dave's comment (I usually write media mail on the
package before I even go to the post office.)

The fellow tells me about the priority mail and First class prices.... I
smiled and said "wow, that's expensive for a book... (long pause) but I
didn't hear you mention a 'media mail' price?"
Him: "Oh, sorry, just one second, let me look that up for you" I could see
the screen in a reflection and the price was right there....
The cost was something like $3.17 (or less) instead of $11 to $17.

I get that they want to be as profitable as possible, but I think they need
to do that through efficiency and not by overcharging the customer and
directing them away from services that were designed just to benefit
certain kinds of mailings. They'd be far better off to charge a 1/10 cent
more for junk mail than push retail customers to high priced services that
make them choose UPS or some other service.

Grant

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Vince A <vince83687@...> wrote:

David
You got to be vigilant at the PO, know before you go! Google and asking
questions here really helps you out. If it sounds fishy go back another day
or see another PO. Use a different guy/girl on another day at the PO.
Vince :)

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On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 9:13 AM, David Berlind <david@...> wrote:

So, just fyi.. I went back to the PO and asked "What about the media mail
option?" ... Bascially, it was "Oh, that? $3.17" (for what was
originally
$11.80). Pretty shocked that, like Dave says, they neglected to offer
that
option in the first place when I requested "least expensive shipping
option."

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Artekmedia <manuals@...>
wrote:

They are trained NOT to tell you. You have to ASK for it or as the
previous poster said it is available through PayPal shipping includes
tracking. Tell them it just a "manuscript" and DO NOT INCLUDE any
correspondence. You put a one page letter in there and suddenly it is a
1st
class mail

For a description google is your friend

-DC
ArtekManuals.com

On 6/26/2018 1:40 PM, John Griessen wrote:

On 06/26/2018 11:26 AM, David Berlind wrote:

what is "media mail?" when I go to the post office, they offer me a
slew
of options.. but "media mail" is not one of them.
use paypal shipnow to get a label for media mail with a little extra
discount.




--
Dave
Manuals@...
www.ArtekManuals.com










Re: SC504 Gain Knob Removal

tom jobe
 

Hi Larry,
Your question got me wondering about this, so I took the side cover off of an SC504 to have a look.
The service manual mechanical parts diagram shows the knob has a longer part that goes back into the Channel switch so I looked to see if there was a screw or other fastening device back inside of the scope. I removed the plastic rod that goes through the knob assembly by disconnecting it at the aluminum collar on the VAR switch, and then the knob just fell out for some reason. I put the knob back in and then it would not come out again. So I nervously pried and pulled and got it back out again without damaging it.
A study of the knob shaft showed no locking mechanisms of any kind, so I rubbed a very thin smear of Johnson's paste wax on the knob shaft extension and put it back in. After that the knob slid in and out nicely and the only thing holding the knob in is the 1/8" fiberglass VAR shaft and small VAR knob in the center of the knob in question.
I guess the knob was just stuck from being in there for 30 or 40 years plastic on plastic?
Do be careful about a very thin aluminum washer that is on the knob's rear shaft extension, as it would be very easy to drop that washer into the scope. My guess is that this washer is part of the spacing arrangement that keeps the lettering on the back side of the knob skirt from hitting the front panel and getting damaged, and it also might keep the two plastic parts from rubbing on each other at the knob extension / attenuator surfaces?
tom jobe...
PS I wonder if one drop of water could be put in from the side where the knob shaft extension goes into the attenuator assembly to break it free as you wiggled the knob to spread it around? You would want to be very careful about anything you put in there, as the short and long term effects on the plastic parts could be devastating.

On 7/6/2018 11:30 AM, Larry McDavid wrote:
I have a SC504 scope module with a damaged Channel 1 knob skirt and I have a Tek replacement skirted knob. I can remove the small red central knob by loosening a set screw.

How is the skirted knob removed? I've tried gently pulling on it without success. The knob has a long plastic shaft with some internal ribs to fit over another shaft but I don't know how the knob is attached.

Anyone done this?


Re: 114xx bezzel buttons

 

This is the issue

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 4:13 PM Pete Lancashire <xyzzypdx@...> wrote:

I didn't look at text website for service information do you have the URL
or can I just type in 11403 ?

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 3:39 PM <jbau@...> wrote:

Not sure exactly what your question is, but I've removed the panel/trim
from several 1140x's to gain access to the crt, using the procedure in
the
service manual on Tek's website, and I don't recall encountering anything
unusual.






Re: 114xx bezzel buttons

 

I didn't look at text website for service information do you have the URL
or can I just type in 11403 ?

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 3:39 PM <jbau@...> wrote:

Not sure exactly what your question is, but I've removed the panel/trim
from several 1140x's to gain access to the crt, using the procedure in the
service manual on Tek's website, and I don't recall encountering anything
unusual.




Re: Questions about TM mainframes with Option 2

 

You have some conflicting terms.

The 5Axx modules are 5000 series oscilloscope amplifier plugins. They are
not compatible with the TM500/TM5000 series mainframes.

The AM502 is a TM500 plugin. It is not compatible with the 5000 series
oscilloscopes. Some TM500 plugins are not compatible with the TM5000 series
because of power supply issues. There are only a couple of these and they
are listed in the manuals for the TM5000 series mainframes. Most of the
TM5000 series plugins are not compatible with the TM500 series mainframes,
but there are some exceptions to this as well.

For a given TM500/TM5000 plug-in, the manual will have a section on the
rear interface connections. Any connection listed there can be wired to a
rear panel BNC or Dsub connector on the Option 02/Option 12 mainframes.
Sometimes you must move an internal jumper in the plug-in to route the
signal to the rear interface instead of the front panel. It's all in the
manuals.

Dave Casey

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:49 AM, PHB via Groups.Io <
mole_org@...> wrote:

Hi all, first post here.

I'm looking to set up a TM 5000 series mainframe and trying to sort out
the compatibility gotchas before I "pull the trigger" on one of these.

My main interest is in the differential amplifier plugins. I do mostly
audio work and these are the ones I am thinking about:

5A13
5A19
5A20
5A21
5A22
5A26
AM502

Question #1) Will the AM502 work in a 5000 series mainframe? (there seems
to be conflicting information about whether or not 500 series plugins work
in 5000 series mainframes)

Question #2) If I get a 5000 series mainframe with Option 2 (w/ the BNC
connector panel on the back of the unit), would I be able to wire from an
A5xx plugin's single ended output to a BNC connector on the back panel, and
then connect this to a standard o-scope input?

My understanding is that Tek 5000 series scopes' baseline sensitivity is
10 mV/division, so I'm assuming I can set my scope to 10 mV/division, hook
up the BNC out (wired to the A5xx plugin's output) from the back of the TM
5000 series mainframe and just plug it into my scope. Does this sound right?

I really appreciate any advice you have about this.




Questions about TM mainframes with Option 2

PHB
 

Hi all, first post here.

I'm looking to set up a TM 5000 series mainframe and trying to sort out the compatibility gotchas before I "pull the trigger" on one of these.

My main interest is in the differential amplifier plugins. I do mostly audio work and these are the ones I am thinking about:

5A13
5A19
5A20
5A21
5A22
5A26
AM502

Question #1) Will the AM502 work in a 5000 series mainframe? (there seems to be conflicting information about whether or not 500 series plugins work in 5000 series mainframes)

Question #2) If I get a 5000 series mainframe with Option 2 (w/ the BNC connector panel on the back of the unit), would I be able to wire from an A5xx plugin's single ended output to a BNC connector on the back panel, and then connect this to a standard o-scope input?

My understanding is that Tek 5000 series scopes' baseline sensitivity is 10 mV/division, so I'm assuming I can set my scope to 10 mV/division, hook up the BNC out (wired to the A5xx plugin's output) from the back of the TM 5000 series mainframe and just plug it into my scope. Does this sound right?

I really appreciate any advice you have about this.


Re: 114xx bezzel buttons

 

Not sure exactly what your question is, but I've removed the panel/trim from several 1140x's to gain access to the crt, using the procedure in the service manual on Tek's website, and I don't recall encountering anything unusual.


Re: MEDIA MAIL (Re: [TekScopes] I have two Tek manuals I don't think I need)

Vince A
 

David
You got to be vigilant at the PO, know before you go! Google and asking
questions here really helps you out. If it sounds fishy go back another day
or see another PO. Use a different guy/girl on another day at the PO.
Vince :)

---
-vince :")
Thank you for your reply
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Visit Starlite Systems
Starlitesystems Dot Com
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On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 9:13 AM, David Berlind <david@...> wrote:

So, just fyi.. I went back to the PO and asked "What about the media mail
option?" ... Bascially, it was "Oh, that? $3.17" (for what was originally
$11.80). Pretty shocked that, like Dave says, they neglected to offer that
option in the first place when I requested "least expensive shipping
option."

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Artekmedia <manuals@...>
wrote:

They are trained NOT to tell you. You have to ASK for it or as the
previous poster said it is available through PayPal shipping includes
tracking. Tell them it just a "manuscript" and DO NOT INCLUDE any
correspondence. You put a one page letter in there and suddenly it is a
1st
class mail

For a description google is your friend

-DC
ArtekManuals.com

On 6/26/2018 1:40 PM, John Griessen wrote:

On 06/26/2018 11:26 AM, David Berlind wrote:

what is "media mail?" when I go to the post office, they offer me a
slew
of options.. but "media mail" is not one of them.
use paypal shipnow to get a label for media mail with a little extra
discount.




--
Dave
Manuals@...
www.ArtekManuals.com








Re: DC 508

 

The option 7 on the DC508 increases its value as it allows it to work with the TM500 series tracking generators. If it has option 1, the oven oscillator, that also increases the value. The oven oscillator is a silver box at the rear of the PCB, easy to see if it is there.

Also, you do not need to be a HAM operator to play with the old test equipment. You do need a HAM license if you want to build transmitters for the HAM bands, no license needed for receivers and other gear..


Owon SDS7102 Deep Memory Digital Storage Oscilloscope

Vince A
 

Morning Gentleman

Well I finally bit the bullet and bought a 100mghz Scope. Now I need to
learn how to use it. :) Is there a oscilloscope for dummies book out there
or just some quick pointers you guys would like share with me? I am sure
a'll have a LOT of questions but I don't have a clue what to do next and
what all the fancy controls could or should do for me? I am mostly into
vacuum tube audio and some solid state electronics. The package did come
with some really nice probes and almost like a very small jewelers type of
screwdriver driver? And Manuel

What I would like to do first with this is to measure the Pre-amp signal of
the 12AT7 to see if i am getting a clean signal to the output of my first
pair of 6L6 tube amp I built using Russian output tubes. And if not, how
could I clean that up by doing other things to get the signal better though
the path? I don't learn very well by reading books guys, I am more of a
hands on guy. When I read books, the pages melt into each other after about
2 pages. So reading online is much better for me. That is why I like the
combined knowledge here.

How did you guys learn how to use a Scope? How did you go about getting
familiar with a Scope? What was your very first Scope? This is my VERY
first Scope of anything guys.
Thanks loads
Vince :)
---
-vince :")
Thank you for your reply
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TDS744

Vintage Test
 

Hi All,

I've just laid my hands on one of these for a decent price, knowing it didn't work. The owner said it worked one day and jus did tick, tick etc the next - a familiar story! When I stripped it, I found a load of duff diodes/transistors and two-way devices in the standby circuit, which I replaced. I powered it up - still the same, except that the front-panel LEDs all flashed too now. On a whim, I disconnected everything from the processor board, and lo and behold -it powered up and worked properly into a VGA monitor. Now, to the problem; the CRT driver assembly is clearly faulty, but there's no schematic for it anywhere. I have the manual for TDS540, which has a lot of similarities, but is monochrome and not colour, so the CRT driver assembly is way different. Do any of you happen to have any experience with these 'scopes?

Cheers,
--
you can never have enough oscilloscopes, DMMs, valve testers or soldering irons . . .


Re: Dead 7603

Vintage Test
 

Hi Jim,

On a 7603 - and I've sorted a lot of them - the main culprits of no power-up, when you've checked all the usual suspects, is the power supply filter capacitors. To check these, you will have to remove the raw voltage power unit, situated at the bottom rear of the 'scope. There are three large cross-head screws on each side of the chassis, which allows you to carefully draw out the mains transformer and attendant rectifier/capacitor PCB. If the capacitors are all metal cased, it is likely that these are faulty now and need replaced. Looking at the rear of the 'scope, there is a rectifier attached to the bottom left corner , underneath the PCB. This is the +/- 15V rectifier and the two caps nearest the left edge are the reservoirs. If these don't have about 24V DC on them, then nothing else will work. Have a look at this and get back to us.
--
you can never have enough oscilloscopes, DMMs, valve testers or soldering irons . . .


Re: Kludging together a TDR or similar?

 

hi guys, thanks for the replies.

I don't have the parts necessary to build a pulser. Can I use the
mainframe's pulse generator?

The cable goes from a local distribution box, part underground, part
overground, and then goes to a wall socket used only by my modem. There is
no splitting and no neighbors using this. The run in my yard that is
overground is maybe 30m at most.

There was no thunder when this stopped working, just heavy rain.

On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, 06:53 Michael A. Terrell, <mike.terrell@...>
wrote:


If lightning hit that drop, there is likely more than one damaged area, or
even long stretches of the shield is gone. I worked in CATV repairing the
electronics and I have seen damaged coax where the entire outer conductor
had vaporized. The worst damage is usually at sharp turns, like the corner
of a building. We often had to run temporary drops to replace buried lines,
until or Ditchwitch was available to bury it. This was in the Cincinnati
area, so lightning was a big problem. It wiped out thousands of power
transformers in the set top boxes, as well.


There should be a tap to reduce the signal level to the modem which may
also be damaged. It is usually at the house end of the drop, and it is
easily damaged by lightning. Mine is 17dB.

Michael A. Terrell
--


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Oconnor <kjo@...>
Sent: Jun 28, 2018 11:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Kludging together a TDR or similar?

TV coax problem....
As noted, u don¡¯t indicate the run length u have. If it goes from ur
house terminal to the typical green post in the yard and it is 100ft or
less, it would be more efficient to just run a new coax over the ground to
verify operation.
If you have buried coax with a fault, I wouldn¡¯t trust any of it.

Kjo



Double messages

 

To whom it may concern, now that I? can post to TekScopes, I get double copies of every message.? ?Very annoying!? How do I get it to stop?
Thanks!
Jim


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


Re: 2215 avoiding future CRT damage

tom jobe
 

Thank you Hakan!
That is an excellent test that will probably work on other scopes to get an idea if the CRT is good.
Your contributions to Tekscopes are always good, and usually you are the only one on the planet that has the information you post.
tom jobe...

On 7/6/2018 11:08 AM, zenith5106 wrote:
So my CRT / filament is cooked then, by now, after nearly 40 years of use...
oh well... not much I can do about it, but at least if I find the trace too
dim at fast sweep speeds (haven't checked specifically for that yet), I will
know why and won't waste trying to "fix"/troubleshoot something that just
can't be cured ! :-(
At the time we had a simple procedure at our Field Office to determine
if the CRT should be replaced or not. I don't recall if it was an official procedure
or something we came up locally. We set the T/B to the fastest sweep speed with
X10 Magnifier, Hold Off to max, Auto Trig and no input signal. If the trace could
be seen with Intensity set to max , even just quite dim, the CRT was considered OK.

/H?kan


Re: 7A13 Comparison Voltage coarse knob

 

The Tek part number for the knob is 366-1084-00 and it just may be used on
some other item of equipment.
This knob was also used on AM502, 26A2, 5A19N, 5A22N, 7A22, 7S11 & 7S12.

/H?kan


Re: 2215 avoiding future CRT damage

 

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 11:08 am, zenith5106 wrote:
We set the T/B to the fastest sweep speed with
X10 Magnifier, Hold Off to max, Auto Trig and no input signal. If the trace
could be seen with Intensity set to max , even just quite dim, the CRT was
considered OK.
OK... just perform said test, here is the result :

/g/TekScopes/photo/62323/0?p=Name,,,20,1,0,0

I adjusted the ISO setting of the camera so that the brightness on the pic actually matches the brightness level that my eyes perceive.
That's under normal conditions : a couple fluorescent tubes above the bench for lightning, and me sitting right in front of the scope, at a close but reasonable distance, I mean I did glue my face to the screen...

Looks like an "acceptable" tube then ? I mean it's very difficult to see, and any dimmer than this, would make it invisible but... as you say, you can still see the trace.

Plus, if I turn the var hold-off to the min, brightness comes back to normal, the trace becomes perfectly visible, no effort needed whatsoever.

I will admit I don't really master the var hold-off feature, I am not sure I get why it impacts the brightness level.. but obviously it does. Will need to do some reading and experimenting ! ^^

Anyway, looks like my CRT is not worn out in the end, what do you say ? That's good ! :-)
I mean I have sooo many problems left to fix on this scope, I really didn't need yet another (costly ! ) problem on my list ! LOL


Regards,


Vincent Trouilliez


SC504 Gain Knob Removal

 

I have a SC504 scope module with a damaged Channel 1 knob skirt and I have a Tek replacement skirted knob. I can remove the small red central knob by loosening a set screw.

How is the skirted knob removed? I've tried gently pulling on it without success. The knob has a long plastic shaft with some internal ribs to fit over another shaft but I don't know how the knob is attached.

Anyone done this?

--
Best wishes,

Larry McDavid W6FUB
Anaheim, California (SE of Los Angeles, near Disneyland)


7A13 Comparison Voltage coarse knob

 

I have a later model 7A13 with the LED volts readout. It has the serial # 104748 and was made in Guernsey. It works fine, but the Comparison Voltage coarse knob is not the correct one. Would anyone have one of these to spare? Being where they are located, they are pretty vulnerable to damage and so may be a bit rare (hence the silly prices sometimes quoted). The Tek part number for the knob is 366-1084-00 and it just may be used on some other item of equipment. Reasonable costs understood.
TIA, Colin.