MG Chemical Responds --> Re: Problems with MG Chemicals Super Contact Clearer
They are being proactive.
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Hello Stan,
I have forwarded your concern to production team. They have tried several tubes and nozzle
and seems to work fine. Also I tried myself as show this picture and I didn¡¯t experience any
difficulty. I didn¡¯t have to tilt or do anything special, it just fitted right in. This product is batch
code # 17193. I would like to resolve this issue and I would like to send you nozzle that has
tube fitted. All you have to do is to take the old one out and replace with new one.
(Photo of joined nozzle and tube )
Please provide me with your shipping information.
Again I do apologize for inconvenience this has caused.
Regards, Titus
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Re: Problems with MG Chemicals Super Contact Clearer
Hello Eric, Yes, it is either the nozzle or the tube. Your other post asked if I tried both ends of the nozzle, you must have been as tired as I was.
I think your meant both ends of the tube. I thought you meant both nozzles! Yes I tried both nozzles (spray heads).
About both ends of the tube, not explicitly, but probable. I sure tried both tubes. Several settings. I did injure the end of the tube experimenting. Had to cut
1/4" off and tried again. I shaved the end down and it then fit.
Stan
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Re: Tek 2465a grid bias and brightness problems
On Q1980 collector with grid Bias at min I see 120 V and I have already
replaced C1991 and R1994 even if they tested good out of circuit (R1994 was
indeed a bit low: 1% out of tolerance on the low side)
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Both the grid bias pot and U1890A shunt current away from Q1980. By your
description it sounds like extra current is sneaking into Q1980s base -
maybe C1991 has gone leaky?
Page 3-37 has this description of this part of the circuitry:
"Transistor Q1980 is configured as a shunt-feedback amplifier, with C1991
and R1994 as teh feedback elements. The feedback current through R1994
develops a voltage across the resistor that is positive with respect to
the +42.6 V on the base of the transistor. The value of this additive
voltage plus the diode drop across CR1950 sets the upper clamping
threshold. Grid Bias potentiometer R1878 sinks varying amounts of current
away from the base node of the transistor and thus sets the feedback
current through R1994. The adjustment range of the pot can set the nominal
clamping level between +71 V and +133 V."
So the nominal adjustment range of the grid bias pot should result in 71V
to 133V on Q1980s collector. What are you seeing?
Siggi
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Re: one last 7633 question (for now)
While I intend to do this mod to my 7623A, it is worth bearing in mind a couple of things. If you check the app note/mod sheet (040-0686-01) you will see that some things should be down-rated afterwards - this might be significant to your needs. Also, those mainframes that had this power-supply for the push-switches as standard often had a switch where the light intensity could be turned down or completely off. It may be worth your while to include something like this, unless you like replacing the lamps in the switches on the plug-ins. Just a thought...
Colin.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of lop pol via Groups.Io Sent: 28 February 2018 15:32 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [TekScopes] one last 7633 question (for now) HAHAH. Thank you. That is good stuff. You are exactly right. Im'm going to wait until I get a donor parts 7633 to do that mod. Make her look pretty. Time to button her up for now.
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Re: Tek 2465a grid bias and brightness problems
On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 at 06:53 Francesco <madowax@...> wrote: Tested another U950, from a working scope of a friend, both U950 work on
his scope, both doesm't work on mine. It seems like grid bias is not
clamping the ac waveform at the correct amplitude. If I ground the
inverting input of U1890 lowering its output near 0 volts everything starts
to work perfectly (intensity pot can completly dim out the traces and I got
no artifacts or spots on display), when the RC delay starts to increase
again the output voltage of the op amp, however the same problems reappear.
I have already tried to swap U1980 with a good one but nothing changes,
same problem, (its behauviour was indeed correct, it follows the rc delay
as it should, so that was expected). Both the grid bias pot and U1890A shunt current away from Q1980. By your description it sounds like extra current is sneaking into Q1980s base - maybe C1991 has gone leaky? Page 3-37 has this description of this part of the circuitry: "Transistor Q1980 is configured as a shunt-feedback amplifier, with C1991 and R1994 as teh feedback elements. The feedback current through R1994 develops a voltage across the resistor that is positive with respect to the +42.6 V on the base of the transistor. The value of this additive voltage plus the diode drop across CR1950 sets the upper clamping threshold. Grid Bias potentiometer R1878 sinks varying amounts of current away from the base node of the transistor and thus sets the feedback current through R1994. The adjustment range of the pot can set the nominal clamping level between +71 V and +133 V." So the nominal adjustment range of the grid bias pot should result in 71V to 133V on Q1980s collector. What are you seeing? Siggi
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Re: one last 7633 question (for now)
HAHAH. Thank you. That is good stuff. You are exactly right. Im'm going to wait until I get a donor parts 7633 to do that mod. Make her look pretty. Time to button her up for now.
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Re: one last 7633 question (for now)
I presume you mean the illuminated push switches on the various plug-ins? If so then I'm afraid the answer is nowhere on the 3-slot chassis!
I believe the reason was a shortage of power in the 'smaller' mainframe but do not despair, Tek produced an app note/mod sheet (040-0686-01) that tells you how to add a standard voltage regulator to provide it.
If you google 'tektronix 040-0686-0' you will find it.
Have fun!
Adrian
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On 2/28/2018 2:44 PM, lop pol via Groups.Io wrote: I have no lights but I know they work. Im assuming because p10 is empty. I have looked at the schematic for hours but I cant figure out where the input to p10 comes from.
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one last 7633 question (for now)
I have no lights but I know they work. Im assuming because p10 is empty. I have looked at the schematic for hours but I cant figure out where the input to p10 comes from.
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Re: Tek 2465a grid bias and brightness problems
Tested another U950, from a working scope of a friend, both U950 work on his scope, both doesm't work on mine. It seems like grid bias is not clamping the ac waveform at the correct amplitude. If I ground the inverting input of U1890 lowering its output near 0 volts everything starts to work perfectly (intensity pot can completly dim out the traces and I got no artifacts or spots on display), when the RC delay starts to increase again the output voltage of the op amp, however the same problems reappear. I have already tried to swap U1980 with a good one but nothing changes, same problem, (its behauviour was indeed correct, it follows the rc delay as it should, so that was expected).
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Hi Fabio,
I have one of these, but it originally came with two 7A18 dual-trace vertical amp plug-ins. I think this, together with the 7B53A, was pretty much the standard complement for the 7623A mainframe. Having said that, my 7623A manual shows a picture with two 7A26s and a 7B50 time-base. The 7A26, with its higher bandwidth is a bit of overkill in this mainframe, but it is a nice dual amp and has a 20 MHz bandwidth switch, which is handy ( I have two of these vertical amps, too). Just about all of the other 7000-series plugins will fit the mainframe, but just remember that the 7623A has a limited bandwidth, so faster plug-ins are wasted.
Colin.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Fabio Trevisan Sent: 27 February 2018 18:27 To: [email protected]Subject: [TekScopes] 7623A + 7A26 + 7B53 Hello folks, I`m having a chance to acquire a 7623A + 7A26 + 7B53A combination. Since I will have little chance to check it onsite I would like to ask you experts, if there is any known quirks or component that fails or break often, that I need to be more concerned? What do you think of the combination? Thanks for your thoughts, Fabio
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Re: 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Right place is the hp_agilent_equipment on Yahoo!
Dave
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire Sent: 28 February 2018 06:17 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows. This will be my last post on this thread. You should do the same, so ppl here can get back to Tek(tronix). Your post on the CC list says nothing about looking for a CD/ROM drive that is 512 byte block compatible. the CC list is not a HP instrument list, it is a Classic Computer list. You may have to join the list before trying to post to it, use google search engine and find out. -pete signing out On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Richard R. Pope <mechanic_2@...> wrote: Pete,
OK! :(:( I will do that. I got my Unix for Dummies Book out so
that I re-familiarize myself with the various commands. Can I really
mess it up any worst than it is? Yes, like I said I have been using SCSI for decades.
I understand. I'm a hacker and hobbyist. It doesn't bother me to
mess things up and then have to start all over. It is always a
learning experience. I am in the process of building a S100 Computer
system and that is the primary reason I got the LA.
I will do this.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 11:20 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
Until you get a CD drive that is supported buy the Unix disk driver
(thats why it is looking for disk blocks, it knows nothing about cd
blocks) there is nothing I can do, I suggest putting the LA on the
shelf until that can be done. Put the word out on the classic
computer list, lots of helpful guys and gals and I would not be
surprised someone will offer you one for free. Did you use a SCSI terminator ?
The only thing I ever did with my 167xx is shutdown the local display
and ran the X session remotely. I use my as a LA, not a HPUX
computer, so I could care less that it looks like Windows, I have
work to do. For playing with HPUX I have a stack of HP 9000/382s but
even there one is for driving HP GPIB devices with calibration software.
join up with these guys cctalk@...
-pete
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Richard R. Pope
<mechanic_2@...>
wrote:
Dave,
I found it. I then burnt a CD and I found the steps to recover
the system in this document:
but my
CD-ROM drive won't work. I am receiving a Boot Device Not Ready.
Message and then a Retrying Boot Device message. Forever and
forever? I am disabled and on SSD. Money is very tight and it will
be quite a while before I have a enough to buy another drive. Can
you please help me at least get back into the Logic Analyzer until I
am able to get a compatible CD-ROM Drive?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 8:37 PM, Paul Amaranth wrote:
If anybody needs that image, they can get it here:
Paul
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 02:33:04AM -0000, David C. Partridge wrote:
Correction the Ignite CD (HP image CD isn't B3782-10496, it is
B3760-14243))
If you need an iso of that reinstall boot CD for the 16700 series
(16700_A0290.iso) I have a good one, but don't have the space on
my website to store a copy
If you have somewhere I can upload it you¡¯re welcome a copy.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of David C. Partridge
Sent: 28 February 2018 02:23
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to enable the
good
version of XWindows?
I think that could be me! Are you referring to < >?
if so the good one was on the HP_UX 10.20 install CD part number
B3920-13640, not the HP image CD (B3782-10496).
However the page does say:
If you don't have the media, that could be a problem, so here is
the original file:
< >
You just copy (mv) that file to /usr/contrib/lib/X11/ after
backing up the existing one ...
You can set up the network on the 16700 by running (as root)
/sbin/set_parms initial
Do be careful if you configure some of the additional networking
parameters. Don't configure the system as a NIS client if it's
not been setup on the NIS server - you can end up waiting forever
:(
HtH
David
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Richard R. Pope
Sent: 28 February 2018 01:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Pete,
It starts up fine, runs the diagnostics, starts to load the
16700
Analyzer software and then the Display goes blank. The Monitor
never goes in to sleep mode so I know that it is still receiving a
signal.
When I shut it down the Display comes back and shows the Shutdown
procedure.
Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to
enable the good version of XWindows? If you are I followed your
procedure as laid out on the webpage. I couldn't find the
sys.X11start file and the link that you provided took me to what
looks like a text file and I don't know what to do with it.
Will you please help me out of this? If I could find a set
of Floppy files or Images I could put an all new OS on it. This
machine was in a Corporate Environment and it did not use DHCP so
I can't access it over my network. The software has been heavy
modified. I used to own Amigas.
Amigados and Workbench were based on Unix and Xwindows. Also I
have been dabbling in Linux for decades. I learn very quickly and
I am very good about following directions.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 7:05 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
Remember is a T&M that just happens to be running HPUX, there is
NO
customization from HP. That's why unless you really know HPUX and
Unix stuff you will crash it all the time
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:04 PM, Pete Lancashire
<pete@...>
wrote:
If you crashed it hard, you get the CD from HP and do a full
reload
the instructions are in the manual or online a few places.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Richard R. Pope
<mechanic_2@...>
wrote:
Hello all,
Mine is a NEC 3x that uses a CD Carrier. Remember those!!
16700s do not have Displays. This is from an expert that
explained the terminology to me. The As came with Ethernet
10baseTs and no CD-ROM drive. The Bs came with 10/100baseT and
internal CD-ROM drives. Mine is an Opt3 which means that the
Graphics have been upgraded.
Yes, I made it where I can no longer run the Analyzer.
This has more to do with the way the machine was heavily
customized. So if someone could please help me to take this
back to day one and rebuild the OS from scratch it would be really appreciated?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 7:36 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work with
mine. I
think I ended up with either a Plextor or an IBM. The good
news
is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.
Another one is Yamaha, can't remember the model, it is the
one SUN
used.
I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc wouldn't
fit on
the original :-)
I've been attempted to try a SCSI<->SCSI80 adapter and see
what
happens with on of the many 15K RPM 72GB drives I have.
got rid of the session manager There is a display-less version
of the 16700's.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:29 AM, Paul Amaranth
<paul@...
wrote:
IIRC, they use fvwm as the window manager and it's relatively
easy to
change the personality. At least once you find where they put
the
configuration file.
It's an interesting box if you're familiar with Unix and/or HPUX.
I've hacked mine significantly, got rid of the session
manager (which is a real pig on that small machine) and use it remote.
Pretty slick getting a 24" DSO screen. (hint: ssh in, then
run the bare app with the DISPLAY variable set). Don't use
vnc, that just gets you an image of the LA desktop.
That's HPUX 10.2 and there are additional binaries you can load.
For a while the Merjin archive had dropped the 10.x binaries
but they're back online now. You can add bash and ssh as
well as gcc, perl and a few others.
Adding ssh makes it very easy to copy files in and out. On
my network that was a mandatory add. If you're unfortunate
enough to be using a windows machine to access the LA remotely, use putty.
All that said, if you're not familiar with unix, just accept
the UI they give you and learn to work with it. For me,
having a computer that runs an LA app is more useful than an
LA that happens to run on a computer.
But
I've been building Unix systems for 30 years and can pretty
much make them do whatever I want.
I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work
with mine. I think I ended up with either a Plextor or an
IBM. The good news is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.
I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc
wouldn't fit on the original :-)
Paul
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:41:08AM -0800, Pete Lancashire wrote:
The 16700A is a piece of T&M that uses HPUX as its base
control
software and UI. Although it is a complete kernel the "devices"
are not all standard, any changes to what you see and get
and you can tank the whole thing and have to start over from
a CD mounted via a external SCSI CD Drive, not only external
but one that has to support Unix size disk
blocks
vs native CD block sizes. Back to devices changes in the
startup
sequence can cause I/O modules to stop working as well.
Your prompt is pretty much common for a system without a
host name, in
the
case the unknown is where the host-name would go
If you want to continue using it as a LA, I would strongly
suggest not changing the display and just get use to it.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Richard R. Pope <
mechanic_2@...>
wrote:
Hello all,
. . . . I have a benefactor that was nice enough to
send me
a
16700A
LA.
I don't like the Xwindows that is setup to look like Win95. UGH!
Going by Dave Partridge's web site allows be to get into
HPUX but from there it all comes a part for me. I am able to
log into ISL without any problems and
then I can log into hpux using the -is command. I get a
unknown:/>
prompt.
I am able to execute mkdir /cdrom with no problems. I don't
know enough
about Unix to find the sys.x11start.gz file. When I explore
one
of the CDROM images that I have on my win machine there is
no such file. I
also
don't know how to access the cdrom drive that I have hooked up.
it does
show up in the path as sescsi.0.0 so I know that the system
sees
it.
Unfortunately there is no sys.x11start.gz on the CDROM
discs. I also
don't
know how to setup the network under UNIX.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
-- Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows
!DSPAM:5a961163155941124319302!
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Re: 16700A setting up Xwindows.
This will be my last post on this thread. You should do the same, so ppl here can get back to Tek(tronix). Your post on the CC list says nothing about looking for a CD/ROM drive that is 512 byte block compatible. the CC list is not a HP instrument list, it is a Classic Computer list. You may have to join the list before trying to post to it, use google search engine and find out. -pete signing out On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Richard R. Pope <mechanic_2@...> wrote: Pete,
OK! :(:( I will do that. I got my Unix for Dummies Book out so that I
re-familiarize myself with the various commands. Can I really mess it up
any worst than it is? Yes, like I said I have been using SCSI for decades.
I understand. I'm a hacker and hobbyist. It doesn't bother me to mess
things up and then have to start all over. It is always a learning
experience. I am in the process of building a S100 Computer system and that
is the primary reason I got the LA.
I will do this.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 11:20 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
Until you get a CD drive that is supported buy the Unix disk driver (thats
why it is looking for disk blocks, it knows nothing about cd blocks) there
is nothing I can do, I suggest putting the LA on the shelf until that can
be done. Put the word out on the classic computer list, lots of helpful
guys and gals and I would not be surprised someone will offer you one for
free. Did you use a SCSI terminator ?
The only thing I ever did with my 167xx is shutdown the local display and
ran the X session remotely. I use my as a LA, not a HPUX computer, so I
could care less that it looks like Windows, I have work to do. For playing
with HPUX I have a stack of HP 9000/382s but even there one is for driving
HP GPIB devices with calibration software.
join up with these guys cctalk@...
-pete
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Richard R. Pope <mechanic_2@...>
wrote:
Dave,
I found it. I then burnt a CD and I found the steps to recover the
system in this document:
but my
CD-ROM
drive won't work. I am receiving a Boot Device Not Ready. Message and
then
a Retrying Boot Device message. Forever and forever? I am disabled and on
SSD. Money is very tight and it will be quite a while before I have a
enough to buy another drive. Can you please help me at least get back
into
the Logic Analyzer until I am able to get a compatible CD-ROM Drive?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 8:37 PM, Paul Amaranth wrote:
If anybody needs that image, they can get it here:
Paul
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 02:33:04AM -0000, David C. Partridge wrote:
Correction the Ignite CD (HP image CD isn't B3782-10496, it is
B3760-14243))
If you need an iso of that reinstall boot CD for the 16700 series
(16700_A0290.iso) I have a good one, but don't have the space on my
website
to store a copy
If you have somewhere I can upload it you¡¯re welcome a copy.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
David C. Partridge
Sent: 28 February 2018 02:23
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to enable the good
version of XWindows?
I think that could be me! Are you referring to < >?
if so the good one was on the HP_UX 10.20 install CD part number
B3920-13640, not the HP image CD (B3782-10496).
However the page does say:
If you don't have the media, that could be a problem, so here is the
original file:
< >
You just copy (mv) that file to /usr/contrib/lib/X11/ after backing up
the existing one ...
You can set up the network on the 16700 by running (as root)
/sbin/set_parms initial
Do be careful if you configure some of the additional networking
parameters. Don't configure the system as a NIS client if it's not
been
setup on the NIS server - you can end up waiting forever :(
HtH
David
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Richard R. Pope
Sent: 28 February 2018 01:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Pete,
It starts up fine, runs the diagnostics, starts to load the
16700
Analyzer software and then the Display goes blank. The Monitor never
goes
in to sleep mode so I know that it is still receiving a signal.
When I shut it down the Display comes back and shows the Shutdown
procedure.
Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to enable the
good version of XWindows? If you are I followed your procedure as laid
out
on the webpage. I couldn't find the sys.X11start file and the link
that you
provided took me to what looks like a text file and I don't know what
to do
with it.
Will you please help me out of this? If I could find a set of
Floppy files or Images I could put an all new OS on it. This machine
was in
a Corporate Environment and it did not use DHCP so I can't access it
over
my network. The software has been heavy modified. I used to own Amigas.
Amigados and Workbench were based on Unix and Xwindows. Also I have
been
dabbling in Linux for decades. I learn very quickly and I am very good
about following directions.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 7:05 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
Remember is a T&M that just happens to be running HPUX, there is NO
customization from HP. That's why unless you really know HPUX and Unix
stuff you will crash it all the time
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:04 PM, Pete Lancashire
<pete@...>
wrote:
If you crashed it hard, you get the CD from HP and do a full reload
the instructions are in the manual or online a few places.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Richard R. Pope
<mechanic_2@...>
wrote:
Hello all,
Mine is a NEC 3x that uses a CD Carrier. Remember those!!
16700s do not have Displays. This is from an expert that explained
the terminology to me. The As came with Ethernet 10baseTs and no
CD-ROM drive. The Bs came with 10/100baseT and internal CD-ROM
drives. Mine is an Opt3 which means that the Graphics have been
upgraded.
Yes, I made it where I can no longer run the Analyzer. This
has more to do with the way the machine was heavily customized. So
if someone could please help me to take this back to day one and
rebuild the OS from scratch it would be really appreciated?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 7:36 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work with
mine. I
think I ended up with either a Plextor or an IBM. The good news
is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.
Another one is Yamaha, can't remember the model, it is the one SUN
used.
I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc wouldn't fit
on
the original :-)
I've been attempted to try a SCSI<->SCSI80 adapter and see what
happens with on of the many 15K RPM 72GB drives I have.
got rid of the session manager
There is a display-less version of the 16700's.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:29 AM, Paul Amaranth <paul@...
wrote:
IIRC, they use fvwm as the window manager and it's relatively easy
to
change the personality. At least once you find where they put the
configuration file.
It's an interesting box if you're familiar with Unix and/or HPUX.
I've hacked mine significantly, got rid of the session manager
(which is a real pig on that small machine) and use it remote.
Pretty slick getting a 24" DSO screen. (hint: ssh in, then run the
bare app with the DISPLAY variable set). Don't use vnc, that just
gets you an image of the LA desktop.
That's HPUX 10.2 and there are additional binaries you can load.
For a while the Merjin archive had dropped the 10.x binaries but
they're back online now. You can add bash and ssh as well as gcc,
perl and a few others.
Adding ssh makes it very easy to copy files in and out. On my
network that was a mandatory add. If you're unfortunate enough to
be using a windows machine to access the LA remotely, use putty.
All that said, if you're not familiar with unix, just accept the
UI they give you and learn to work with it. For me, having a
computer that runs an LA app is more useful than an LA that
happens
to run on a computer.
But
I've been building Unix systems for 30 years and can pretty much
make them do whatever I want.
I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work with
mine. I think I ended up with either a Plextor or an IBM. The
good news is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.
I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc wouldn't fit
on the original :-)
Paul
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:41:08AM -0800, Pete Lancashire wrote:
The 16700A is a piece of T&M that uses HPUX as its base control
software and UI. Although it is a complete kernel the "devices"
are not all standard, any changes to what you see and get and you
can tank the whole thing and have to start over from a CD mounted
via a external SCSI CD Drive, not only external but one that has
to support Unix size disk
blocks
vs native CD block sizes. Back to devices changes in the startup
sequence can cause I/O modules to stop working as well.
Your prompt is pretty much common for a system without a host
name, in
the
case the unknown is where the host-name would go
If you want to continue using it as a LA, I would strongly
suggest not changing the display and just get use to it.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Richard R. Pope <
mechanic_2@...>
wrote:
Hello all,
. . . . I have a benefactor that was nice enough to send me
a
16700A
LA.
I don't like the Xwindows that is setup to look like Win95. UGH!
Going by Dave Partridge's web site allows be to get into HPUX but
from there it all comes a part for me. I am able to log into ISL
without any problems and
then I can log into hpux using the -is command. I get a
unknown:/>
prompt.
I am able to execute mkdir /cdrom with no problems. I don't know
enough
about Unix to find the sys.x11start.gz file. When I explore one
of the CDROM images that I have on my win machine there is no
such file. I
also
don't know how to access the cdrom drive that I have hooked up.
it does
show up in the path as sescsi.0.0 so I know that the system sees
it.
Unfortunately there is no sys.x11start.gz on the CDROM discs. I
also
don't
know how to setup the network under UNIX.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
-- Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows
!DSPAM:5a961163155941124319302!
|
Re: A 16700 compatible CD-ROM Drive?
Pete,
I'm sorry. I have joined them but I am waiting for Admin approval. Please don't yell at me. It wasn't necessary. I just misunderstood and made a honest mistake. Again I am sorry. Everyone else please ignore this topic.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
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Show quoted text
On 2/27/2018 11:54 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: RICH !!!!
YOU ARE ASKING ON THE WRONG LIST, THIS IS TEK SCOPES NOT HP !!!!!! I GAVE
YOU THE LIST TO ASK ON
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:51 PM, Richard R. Pope <mechanic_2@...>
wrote:
Hello all,
. . . . For those of you who having not been following my trials and
tribulations with a 16700A in another topic here is a partial update. I
received this LA from a benefactor who has stepped forward. A real big
thanks to him. I have run into that incompatibility problem with External
CD-ROM Drives.
. . . . I am disabled and partially housebound. I am living on SSD so
money is very tight for me. I am looking for a CD-ROM Drive for little or
nothing that is compatible with the 16700A I have an NEC 3x Drive that uses
the CD Carriers. Remember those. I have installed this and a Maxtor 245MB
SCSI drive in an External SCSI box. The Termination on the CD-ROM Drive is
turned off and I removed the Termination resistors on the HDD. I have a
Terminator installed on the end of the SCSI bus on the External Case. Could
someone please help me out? Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
|
Re: A 16700 compatible CD-ROM Drive?
RICH !!!! YOU ARE ASKING ON THE WRONG LIST, THIS IS TEK SCOPES NOT HP !!!!!! I GAVE YOU THE LIST TO ASK ON On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:51 PM, Richard R. Pope <mechanic_2@...> wrote: Hello all,
. . . . For those of you who having not been following my trials and
tribulations with a 16700A in another topic here is a partial update. I
received this LA from a benefactor who has stepped forward. A real big
thanks to him. I have run into that incompatibility problem with External
CD-ROM Drives.
. . . . I am disabled and partially housebound. I am living on SSD so
money is very tight for me. I am looking for a CD-ROM Drive for little or
nothing that is compatible with the 16700A I have an NEC 3x Drive that uses
the CD Carriers. Remember those. I have installed this and a Maxtor 245MB
SCSI drive in an External SCSI box. The Termination on the CD-ROM Drive is
turned off and I removed the Termination resistors on the HDD. I have a
Terminator installed on the end of the SCSI bus on the External Case. Could
someone please help me out? Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
|
A 16700 compatible CD-ROM Drive?
Hello all,
. . . . For those of you who having not been following my trials and tribulations with a 16700A in another topic here is a partial update. I received this LA from a benefactor who has stepped forward. A real big thanks to him. I have run into that incompatibility problem with External CD-ROM Drives.
. . . . I am disabled and partially housebound. I am living on SSD so money is very tight for me. I am looking for a CD-ROM Drive for little or nothing that is compatible with the 16700A I have an NEC 3x Drive that uses the CD Carriers. Remember those. I have installed this and a Maxtor 245MB SCSI drive in an External SCSI box. The Termination on the CD-ROM Drive is turned off and I removed the Termination resistors on the HDD. I have a Terminator installed on the end of the SCSI bus on the External Case. Could someone please help me out? Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
|
Re: 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Pete,
OK! :(:( I will do that. I got my Unix for Dummies Book out so that I re-familiarize myself with the various commands. Can I really mess it up any worst than it is? Yes, like I said I have been using SCSI for decades.
I understand. I'm a hacker and hobbyist. It doesn't bother me to mess things up and then have to start all over. It is always a learning experience. I am in the process of building a S100 Computer system and that is the primary reason I got the LA.
I will do this.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
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Show quoted text
On 2/27/2018 11:20 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: Until you get a CD drive that is supported buy the Unix disk driver (thats
why it is looking for disk blocks, it knows nothing about cd blocks) there
is nothing I can do, I suggest putting the LA on the shelf until that can
be done. Put the word out on the classic computer list, lots of helpful
guys and gals and I would not be surprised someone will offer you one for
free. Did you use a SCSI terminator ?
The only thing I ever did with my 167xx is shutdown the local display and
ran the X session remotely. I use my as a LA, not a HPUX computer, so I
could care less that it looks like Windows, I have work to do. For playing
with HPUX I have a stack of HP 9000/382s but even there one is for driving
HP GPIB devices with calibration software.
join up with these guys cctalk@...
-pete
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Richard R. Pope <mechanic_2@...>
wrote:
Dave,
I found it. I then burnt a CD and I found the steps to recover the
system in this document:
but my CD-ROM
drive won't work. I am receiving a Boot Device Not Ready. Message and then
a Retrying Boot Device message. Forever and forever? I am disabled and on
SSD. Money is very tight and it will be quite a while before I have a
enough to buy another drive. Can you please help me at least get back into
the Logic Analyzer until I am able to get a compatible CD-ROM Drive?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 8:37 PM, Paul Amaranth wrote:
If anybody needs that image, they can get it here:
Paul
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 02:33:04AM -0000, David C. Partridge wrote:
Correction the Ignite CD (HP image CD isn't B3782-10496, it is
B3760-14243))
If you need an iso of that reinstall boot CD for the 16700 series
(16700_A0290.iso) I have a good one, but don't have the space on my website
to store a copy
If you have somewhere I can upload it you¡¯re welcome a copy.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
David C. Partridge
Sent: 28 February 2018 02:23
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to enable the good
version of XWindows?
I think that could be me! Are you referring to <
>?
if so the good one was on the HP_UX 10.20 install CD part number
B3920-13640, not the HP image CD (B3782-10496).
However the page does say:
If you don't have the media, that could be a problem, so here is the
original file:
< >
You just copy (mv) that file to /usr/contrib/lib/X11/ after backing up
the existing one ...
You can set up the network on the 16700 by running (as root)
/sbin/set_parms initial
Do be careful if you configure some of the additional networking
parameters. Don't configure the system as a NIS client if it's not been
setup on the NIS server - you can end up waiting forever :(
HtH
David
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Richard R. Pope
Sent: 28 February 2018 01:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Pete,
It starts up fine, runs the diagnostics, starts to load the 16700
Analyzer software and then the Display goes blank. The Monitor never goes
in to sleep mode so I know that it is still receiving a signal.
When I shut it down the Display comes back and shows the Shutdown
procedure.
Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to enable the
good version of XWindows? If you are I followed your procedure as laid out
on the webpage. I couldn't find the sys.X11start file and the link that you
provided took me to what looks like a text file and I don't know what to do
with it.
Will you please help me out of this? If I could find a set of
Floppy files or Images I could put an all new OS on it. This machine was in
a Corporate Environment and it did not use DHCP so I can't access it over
my network. The software has been heavy modified. I used to own Amigas.
Amigados and Workbench were based on Unix and Xwindows. Also I have been
dabbling in Linux for decades. I learn very quickly and I am very good
about following directions.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 7:05 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
Remember is a T&M that just happens to be running HPUX, there is NO
customization from HP. That's why unless you really know HPUX and Unix
stuff you will crash it all the time
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:04 PM, Pete Lancashire
<pete@...>
wrote:
If you crashed it hard, you get the CD from HP and do a full reload
the instructions are in the manual or online a few places.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Richard R. Pope
<mechanic_2@...>
wrote:
Hello all,
Mine is a NEC 3x that uses a CD Carrier. Remember those!!
16700s do not have Displays. This is from an expert that explained
the terminology to me. The As came with Ethernet 10baseTs and no
CD-ROM drive. The Bs came with 10/100baseT and internal CD-ROM
drives. Mine is an Opt3 which means that the Graphics have been
upgraded.
Yes, I made it where I can no longer run the Analyzer. This
has more to do with the way the machine was heavily customized. So
if someone could please help me to take this back to day one and
rebuild the OS from scratch it would be really appreciated?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 7:36 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work with
mine. I
think I ended up with either a Plextor or an IBM. The good news
is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.
Another one is Yamaha, can't remember the model, it is the one SUN used.
I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc wouldn't fit
on
the original :-)
I've been attempted to try a SCSI<->SCSI80 adapter and see what happens with on of the many 15K RPM 72GB drives I have.
got rid of the session manager
There is a display-less version of the 16700's.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:29 AM, Paul Amaranth <paul@...>
wrote:
IIRC, they use fvwm as the window manager and it's relatively easy
to
change the personality. At least once you find where they put the
configuration file.
It's an interesting box if you're familiar with Unix and/or HPUX.
I've hacked mine significantly, got rid of the session manager
(which is a real pig on that small machine) and use it remote.
Pretty slick getting a 24" DSO screen. (hint: ssh in, then run the
bare app with the DISPLAY variable set). Don't use vnc, that just
gets you an image of the LA desktop.
That's HPUX 10.2 and there are additional binaries you can load.
For a while the Merjin archive had dropped the 10.x binaries but
they're back online now. You can add bash and ssh as well as gcc,
perl and a few others.
Adding ssh makes it very easy to copy files in and out. On my
network that was a mandatory add. If you're unfortunate enough to
be using a windows machine to access the LA remotely, use putty.
All that said, if you're not familiar with unix, just accept the
UI they give you and learn to work with it. For me, having a
computer that runs an LA app is more useful than an LA that happens
to run on a computer.
But
I've been building Unix systems for 30 years and can pretty much
make them do whatever I want.
I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work with
mine. I think I ended up with either a Plextor or an IBM. The
good news is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.
I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc wouldn't fit
on the original :-)
Paul
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:41:08AM -0800, Pete Lancashire wrote:
The 16700A is a piece of T&M that uses HPUX as its base control
software and UI. Although it is a complete kernel the "devices"
are not all standard, any changes to what you see and get and you
can tank the whole thing and have to start over from a CD mounted
via a external SCSI CD Drive, not only external but one that has
to support Unix size disk
blocks vs native CD block sizes. Back to devices changes in the startup
sequence can cause I/O modules to stop working as well.
Your prompt is pretty much common for a system without a host
name, in
the case the unknown is where the host-name would go
If you want to continue using it as a LA, I would strongly
suggest not changing the display and just get use to it.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Richard R. Pope <
mechanic_2@...> wrote:
Hello all,
. . . . I have a benefactor that was nice enough to send me a
16700A
LA. I don't like the Xwindows that is setup to look like Win95. UGH!
Going by Dave Partridge's web site allows be to get into HPUX but
from there it all comes a part for me. I am able to log into ISL
without any problems and
then I can log into hpux using the -is command. I get a
unknown:/>
prompt. I am able to execute mkdir /cdrom with no problems. I don't know
enough
about Unix to find the sys.x11start.gz file. When I explore one
of the CDROM images that I have on my win machine there is no
such file. I
also don't know how to access the cdrom drive that I have hooked up.
it does
show up in the path as sescsi.0.0 so I know that the system sees
it.
Unfortunately there is no sys.x11start.gz on the CDROM discs. I
also
don't know how to setup the network under UNIX.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
--
Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA
Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows
!DSPAM:5a961163155941124319302!
|
Re: 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Until you get a CD drive that is supported buy the Unix disk driver (thats why it is looking for disk blocks, it knows nothing about cd blocks) there is nothing I can do, I suggest putting the LA on the shelf until that can be done. Put the word out on the classic computer list, lots of helpful guys and gals and I would not be surprised someone will offer you one for free. Did you use a SCSI terminator ? The only thing I ever did with my 167xx is shutdown the local display and ran the X session remotely. I use my as a LA, not a HPUX computer, so I could care less that it looks like Windows, I have work to do. For playing with HPUX I have a stack of HP 9000/382s but even there one is for driving HP GPIB devices with calibration software. join up with these guys cctalk@... -pete On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Richard R. Pope <mechanic_2@...> wrote: Dave,
I found it. I then burnt a CD and I found the steps to recover the
system in this document:
but my CD-ROM
drive won't work. I am receiving a Boot Device Not Ready. Message and then
a Retrying Boot Device message. Forever and forever? I am disabled and on
SSD. Money is very tight and it will be quite a while before I have a
enough to buy another drive. Can you please help me at least get back into
the Logic Analyzer until I am able to get a compatible CD-ROM Drive?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 8:37 PM, Paul Amaranth wrote:
If anybody needs that image, they can get it here:
Paul
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 02:33:04AM -0000, David C. Partridge wrote:
Correction the Ignite CD (HP image CD isn't B3782-10496, it is
B3760-14243))
If you need an iso of that reinstall boot CD for the 16700 series
(16700_A0290.iso) I have a good one, but don't have the space on my website
to store a copy
If you have somewhere I can upload it you¡¯re welcome a copy.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
David C. Partridge
Sent: 28 February 2018 02:23
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to enable the good
version of XWindows?
I think that could be me! Are you referring to <
>?
if so the good one was on the HP_UX 10.20 install CD part number
B3920-13640, not the HP image CD (B3782-10496).
However the page does say:
If you don't have the media, that could be a problem, so here is the
original file:
< >
You just copy (mv) that file to /usr/contrib/lib/X11/ after backing up
the existing one ...
You can set up the network on the 16700 by running (as root)
/sbin/set_parms initial
Do be careful if you configure some of the additional networking
parameters. Don't configure the system as a NIS client if it's not been
setup on the NIS server - you can end up waiting forever :(
HtH
David
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Richard R. Pope
Sent: 28 February 2018 01:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Pete,
It starts up fine, runs the diagnostics, starts to load the 16700
Analyzer software and then the Display goes blank. The Monitor never goes
in to sleep mode so I know that it is still receiving a signal.
When I shut it down the Display comes back and shows the Shutdown
procedure.
Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to enable the
good version of XWindows? If you are I followed your procedure as laid out
on the webpage. I couldn't find the sys.X11start file and the link that you
provided took me to what looks like a text file and I don't know what to do
with it.
Will you please help me out of this? If I could find a set of
Floppy files or Images I could put an all new OS on it. This machine was in
a Corporate Environment and it did not use DHCP so I can't access it over
my network. The software has been heavy modified. I used to own Amigas.
Amigados and Workbench were based on Unix and Xwindows. Also I have been
dabbling in Linux for decades. I learn very quickly and I am very good
about following directions.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 7:05 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
Remember is a T&M that just happens to be running HPUX, there is NO
customization from HP. That's why unless you really know HPUX and Unix
stuff you will crash it all the time
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:04 PM, Pete Lancashire
<pete@...>
wrote:
If you crashed it hard, you get the CD from HP and do a full reload
the instructions are in the manual or online a few places.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Richard R. Pope
<mechanic_2@...>
wrote:
Hello all,
Mine is a NEC 3x that uses a CD Carrier. Remember those!!
16700s do not have Displays. This is from an expert that explained
the terminology to me. The As came with Ethernet 10baseTs and no
CD-ROM drive. The Bs came with 10/100baseT and internal CD-ROM
drives. Mine is an Opt3 which means that the Graphics have been
upgraded.
Yes, I made it where I can no longer run the Analyzer. This
has more to do with the way the machine was heavily customized. So
if someone could please help me to take this back to day one and
rebuild the OS from scratch it would be really appreciated?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 7:36 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work with
mine. I
think I ended up with either a Plextor or an IBM. The good news
is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.
Another one is Yamaha, can't remember the model, it is the one SUN used.
I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc wouldn't fit
on
the original :-)
I've been attempted to try a SCSI<->SCSI80 adapter and see what happens with on of the many 15K RPM 72GB drives I have.
got rid of the session manager
There is a display-less version of the 16700's.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:29 AM, Paul Amaranth <paul@...>
wrote:
IIRC, they use fvwm as the window manager and it's relatively easy
to
change the personality. At least once you find where they put the
configuration file.
It's an interesting box if you're familiar with Unix and/or HPUX.
I've hacked mine significantly, got rid of the session manager
(which is a real pig on that small machine) and use it remote.
Pretty slick getting a 24" DSO screen. (hint: ssh in, then run the
bare app with the DISPLAY variable set). Don't use vnc, that just
gets you an image of the LA desktop.
That's HPUX 10.2 and there are additional binaries you can load.
For a while the Merjin archive had dropped the 10.x binaries but
they're back online now. You can add bash and ssh as well as gcc,
perl and a few others.
Adding ssh makes it very easy to copy files in and out. On my
network that was a mandatory add. If you're unfortunate enough to
be using a windows machine to access the LA remotely, use putty.
All that said, if you're not familiar with unix, just accept the
UI they give you and learn to work with it. For me, having a
computer that runs an LA app is more useful than an LA that happens
to run on a computer.
But
I've been building Unix systems for 30 years and can pretty much
make them do whatever I want.
I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work with
mine. I think I ended up with either a Plextor or an IBM. The
good news is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.
I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc wouldn't fit
on the original :-)
Paul
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:41:08AM -0800, Pete Lancashire wrote:
The 16700A is a piece of T&M that uses HPUX as its base control
software and UI. Although it is a complete kernel the "devices"
are not all standard, any changes to what you see and get and you
can tank the whole thing and have to start over from a CD mounted
via a external SCSI CD Drive, not only external but one that has
to support Unix size disk
blocks vs native CD block sizes. Back to devices changes in the startup
sequence can cause I/O modules to stop working as well.
Your prompt is pretty much common for a system without a host
name, in
the case the unknown is where the host-name would go
If you want to continue using it as a LA, I would strongly
suggest not changing the display and just get use to it.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Richard R. Pope <
mechanic_2@...>
wrote:
Hello all,
. . . . I have a benefactor that was nice enough to send me a
16700A
LA. I don't like the Xwindows that is setup to look like Win95. UGH!
Going by Dave Partridge's web site allows be to get into HPUX but
from there it all comes a part for me. I am able to log into ISL
without any problems and
then I can log into hpux using the -is command. I get a
unknown:/>
prompt. I am able to execute mkdir /cdrom with no problems. I don't know
enough
about Unix to find the sys.x11start.gz file. When I explore one
of the CDROM images that I have on my win machine there is no
such file. I
also don't know how to access the cdrom drive that I have hooked up.
it does
show up in the path as sescsi.0.0 so I know that the system sees
it.
Unfortunately there is no sys.x11start.gz on the CDROM discs. I
also
don't know how to setup the network under UNIX.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
--
Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA
Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows
!DSPAM:5a961163155941124319302!
|
Re: Problems with MG Chemicals Super Contact Clearer
I'm sure they had a supplier issue a bad batch of either sprayers or nozzle tubes then. It definitely happens from time to time in manufacturing. I wonder if the MG tubes would fit another brand of sprayer or if another tube from a different brand can would fit the MG can. That might help narrow down where the problem lies. Myself I'd be measuring tubes and holes on every can I've got to make sure I wasn't losing it, haha.
--Eric
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8.
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-------- Original message --------From: brasscat <brasscat@...> Date: 2/27/18 7:28 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Problems with MG Chemicals Super Contact Clearer Hello Eric, Yes. That was the whole point in the second can. Neither worked. That is why I then wrote MG Chemicals. Stan.
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Re: 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Dave,
I found it. I then burnt a CD and I found the steps to recover the system in this document:
but my CD-ROM drive won't work. I am receiving a Boot Device Not Ready. Message and then a Retrying Boot Device message. Forever and forever? I am disabled and on SSD. Money is very tight and it will be quite a while before I have a enough to buy another drive. Can you please help me at least get back into the Logic Analyzer until I am able to get a compatible CD-ROM Drive?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On 2/27/2018 8:37 PM, Paul Amaranth wrote: If anybody needs that image, they can get it here:
Paul
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 02:33:04AM -0000, David C. Partridge wrote:
Correction the Ignite CD (HP image CD isn't B3782-10496, it is B3760-14243))
If you need an iso of that reinstall boot CD for the 16700 series (16700_A0290.iso) I have a good one, but don't have the space on my website to store a copy
If you have somewhere I can upload it you¡¯re welcome a copy.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David C. Partridge
Sent: 28 February 2018 02:23
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to enable the good version of XWindows? I think that could be me! Are you referring to < >?
if so the good one was on the HP_UX 10.20 install CD part number B3920-13640, not the HP image CD (B3782-10496).
However the page does say:
If you don't have the media, that could be a problem, so here is the original file:
< >
You just copy (mv) that file to /usr/contrib/lib/X11/ after backing up the existing one ...
You can set up the network on the 16700 by running (as root) /sbin/set_parms initial
Do be careful if you configure some of the additional networking parameters. Don't configure the system as a NIS client if it's not been setup on the NIS server - you can end up waiting forever :(
HtH
David
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard R. Pope
Sent: 28 February 2018 01:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.
Pete,
It starts up fine, runs the diagnostics, starts to load the 16700 Analyzer software and then the Display goes blank. The Monitor never goes in to sleep mode so I know that it is still receiving a signal.
When I shut it down the Display comes back and shows the Shutdown procedure.
Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to enable the good version of XWindows? If you are I followed your procedure as laid out on the webpage. I couldn't find the sys.X11start file and the link that you provided took me to what looks like a text file and I don't know what to do with it.
Will you please help me out of this? If I could find a set of Floppy files or Images I could put an all new OS on it. This machine was in a Corporate Environment and it did not use DHCP so I can't access it over my network. The software has been heavy modified. I used to own Amigas. Amigados and Workbench were based on Unix and Xwindows. Also I have been dabbling in Linux for decades. I learn very quickly and I am very good about following directions.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 7:05 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
Remember is a T&M that just happens to be running HPUX, there is NO
customization from HP. That's why unless you really know HPUX and Unix
stuff you will crash it all the time
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:04 PM, Pete Lancashire
<pete@...>
wrote:
If you crashed it hard, you get the CD from HP and do a full reload
the instructions are in the manual or online a few places.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Richard R. Pope
<mechanic_2@...>
wrote:
Hello all,
Mine is a NEC 3x that uses a CD Carrier. Remember those!!
16700s do not have Displays. This is from an expert that explained
the terminology to me. The As came with Ethernet 10baseTs and no
CD-ROM drive. The Bs came with 10/100baseT and internal CD-ROM
drives. Mine is an Opt3 which means that the Graphics have been upgraded.
Yes, I made it where I can no longer run the Analyzer. This
has more to do with the way the machine was heavily customized. So
if someone could please help me to take this back to day one and
rebuild the OS from scratch it would be really appreciated?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 2/27/2018 7:36 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:
I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work with
mine. I
think I ended up with either a Plextor or an IBM. The good news
is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.
Another one is Yamaha, can't remember the model, it is the one SUN
used.
I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc wouldn't fit
on
the original :-)
I've been attempted to try a SCSI<->SCSI80 adapter and see what
happens with on of the many 15K RPM 72GB drives I have.
got rid of the session manager
There is a display-less version of the 16700's.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:29 AM, Paul Amaranth <paul@...>
wrote:
IIRC, they use fvwm as the window manager and it's relatively easy
to
change the personality. At least once you find where they put the
configuration file.
It's an interesting box if you're familiar with Unix and/or HPUX.
I've hacked mine significantly, got rid of the session manager
(which is a real pig on that small machine) and use it remote.
Pretty slick getting a 24" DSO screen. (hint: ssh in, then run the
bare app with the DISPLAY variable set). Don't use vnc, that just
gets you an image of the LA desktop.
That's HPUX 10.2 and there are additional binaries you can load.
For a while the Merjin archive had dropped the 10.x binaries but
they're back online now. You can add bash and ssh as well as gcc,
perl and a few others.
Adding ssh makes it very easy to copy files in and out. On my
network that was a mandatory add. If you're unfortunate enough to
be using a windows machine to access the LA remotely, use putty.
All that said, if you're not familiar with unix, just accept the
UI they give you and learn to work with it. For me, having a
computer that runs an LA app is more useful than an LA that happens to run on a computer.
But
I've been building Unix systems for 30 years and can pretty much
make them do whatever I want.
I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work with
mine. I think I ended up with either a Plextor or an IBM. The
good news is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.
I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc wouldn't fit
on the original :-)
Paul
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:41:08AM -0800, Pete Lancashire wrote:
The 16700A is a piece of T&M that uses HPUX as its base control
software and UI. Although it is a complete kernel the "devices"
are not all standard, any changes to what you see and get and you
can tank the whole thing and have to start over from a CD mounted
via a external SCSI CD Drive, not only external but one that has
to support Unix size disk
blocks
vs native CD block sizes. Back to devices changes in the startup
sequence can cause I/O modules to stop working as well.
Your prompt is pretty much common for a system without a host
name, in
the
case the unknown is where the host-name would go
If you want to continue using it as a LA, I would strongly
suggest not changing the display and just get use to it.
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Richard R. Pope <
mechanic_2@...>
wrote:
Hello all,
. . . . I have a benefactor that was nice enough to send me a
16700A
LA.
I don't like the Xwindows that is setup to look like Win95. UGH!
Going by Dave Partridge's web site allows be to get into HPUX but
from there it all comes a part for me. I am able to log into ISL
without any problems and
then I can log into hpux using the -is command. I get a
unknown:/>
prompt.
I am able to execute mkdir /cdrom with no problems. I don't know
enough
about Unix to find the sys.x11start.gz file. When I explore one
of the CDROM images that I have on my win machine there is no
such file. I
also
don't know how to access the cdrom drive that I have hooked up.
it does
show up in the path as sescsi.0.0 so I know that the system sees it.
Unfortunately there is no sys.x11start.gz on the CDROM discs. I
also
don't
know how to setup the network under UNIX.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
-- Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Rochester MI, USA
Aurora Group, Inc. | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows
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On any machine, if there are tantalums to be replaced, I always use film capacitors of the same value.
My preferred choice is Wima MKS2, which are similar in size and profile to an electrolytic, so there is generally never any issue of "Will it fit?".
Easily available from Mouser or Digikey.
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