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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire
Sent: 28 February 2018 06:17
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.

This will be my last post on this thread. You should do the same, so ppl here can get back to Tek(tronix).

Your post on the CC list says nothing about looking for a CD/ROM drive that is 512 byte block compatible. the CC list is not a HP instrument list, it is a Classic Computer list.

You may have to join the list before trying to post to it, use google search engine and find out.

-pete signing out



On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Richard R. Pope <mechanic_2@...>
wrote:

Pete,
OK! :(:( I will do that. I got my Unix for Dummies Book out so
that I re-familiarize myself with the various commands. Can I really
mess it up any worst than it is? Yes, like I said I have been using SCSI for decades.
I understand. I'm a hacker and hobbyist. It doesn't bother me to
mess things up and then have to start all over. It is always a
learning experience. I am in the process of building a S100 Computer
system and that is the primary reason I got the LA.
I will do this.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!

On 2/27/2018 11:20 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:

Until you get a CD drive that is supported buy the Unix disk driver
(thats why it is looking for disk blocks, it knows nothing about cd
blocks) there is nothing I can do, I suggest putting the LA on the
shelf until that can be done. Put the word out on the classic
computer list, lots of helpful guys and gals and I would not be
surprised someone will offer you one for free. Did you use a SCSI terminator ?

The only thing I ever did with my 167xx is shutdown the local display
and ran the X session remotely. I use my as a LA, not a HPUX
computer, so I could care less that it looks like Windows, I have
work to do. For playing with HPUX I have a stack of HP 9000/382s but
even there one is for driving HP GPIB devices with calibration software.

join up with these guys cctalk@...

-pete

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Richard R. Pope
<mechanic_2@...>
wrote:

Dave,

I found it. I then burnt a CD and I found the steps to recover
the system in this document:
but my
CD-ROM drive won't work. I am receiving a Boot Device Not Ready.
Message and then a Retrying Boot Device message. Forever and
forever? I am disabled and on SSD. Money is very tight and it will
be quite a while before I have a enough to buy another drive. Can
you please help me at least get back into the Logic Analyzer until I
am able to get a compatible CD-ROM Drive?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!

On 2/27/2018 8:37 PM, Paul Amaranth wrote:

If anybody needs that image, they can get it here:

Paul

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 02:33:04AM -0000, David C. Partridge wrote:

Correction the Ignite CD (HP image CD isn't B3782-10496, it is

B3760-14243))

If you need an iso of that reinstall boot CD for the 16700 series
(16700_A0290.iso) I have a good one, but don't have the space on
my website to store a copy

If you have somewhere I can upload it you’re welcome a copy.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of David C. Partridge
Sent: 28 February 2018 02:23
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.

Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to enable the
good

version of XWindows?

I think that could be me! Are you referring to <

>?

if so the good one was on the HP_UX 10.20 install CD part number
B3920-13640, not the HP image CD (B3782-10496).

However the page does say:

If you don't have the media, that could be a problem, so here is
the original file:

< >

You just copy (mv) that file to /usr/contrib/lib/X11/ after
backing up the existing one ...

You can set up the network on the 16700 by running (as root)
/sbin/set_parms initial

Do be careful if you configure some of the additional networking
parameters. Don't configure the system as a NIS client if it's
not been setup on the NIS server - you can end up waiting forever
:(

HtH
David

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Richard R. Pope
Sent: 28 February 2018 01:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 16700A setting up Xwindows.

Pete,
It starts up fine, runs the diagnostics, starts to load the
16700
Analyzer software and then the Display goes blank. The Monitor
never goes in to sleep mode so I know that it is still receiving a
signal.
When I shut it down the Display comes back and shows the Shutdown
procedure.
Are you the person with the webpage that shows how to
enable the good version of XWindows? If you are I followed your
procedure as laid out on the webpage. I couldn't find the
sys.X11start file and the link that you provided took me to what
looks like a text file and I don't know what to do with it.
Will you please help me out of this? If I could find a set
of Floppy files or Images I could put an all new OS on it. This
machine was in a Corporate Environment and it did not use DHCP so
I can't access it over my network. The software has been heavy
modified. I used to own Amigas.
Amigados and Workbench were based on Unix and Xwindows. Also I
have been dabbling in Linux for decades. I learn very quickly and
I am very good about following directions.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!

On 2/27/2018 7:05 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote:

Remember is a T&M that just happens to be running HPUX, there is
NO

customization from HP. That's why unless you really know HPUX and
Unix stuff you will crash it all the time

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:04 PM, Pete Lancashire
<pete@...>
wrote:

If you crashed it hard, you get the CD from HP and do a full
reload

the instructions are in the manual or online a few places.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Richard R. Pope
<mechanic_2@...>
wrote:

Hello all,

Mine is a NEC 3x that uses a CD Carrier. Remember those!!
16700s do not have Displays. This is from an expert that
explained the terminology to me. The As came with Ethernet
10baseTs and no CD-ROM drive. The Bs came with 10/100baseT and
internal CD-ROM drives. Mine is an Opt3 which means that the
Graphics have been upgraded.
Yes, I made it where I can no longer run the Analyzer.
This has more to do with the way the machine was heavily
customized. So if someone could please help me to take this
back to day one and rebuild the OS from scratch it would be really appreciated?
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!

On 2/27/2018 7:36 AM, Pete Lancashire wrote:

I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work with

mine. I

think I ended up with either a Plextor or an IBM. The good
news

is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.

Another one is Yamaha, can't remember the model, it is the
one SUN

used.

I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc wouldn't
fit on

the original :-)

I've been attempted to try a SCSI<->SCSI80 adapter and see
what

happens with on of the many 15K RPM 72GB drives I have.

got rid of the session manager There is a display-less version
of the 16700's.


On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:29 AM, Paul Amaranth
<paul@...

wrote:

IIRC, they use fvwm as the window manager and it's relatively
easy to

change the personality. At least once you find where they put
the

configuration file.

It's an interesting box if you're familiar with Unix and/or HPUX.
I've hacked mine significantly, got rid of the session
manager (which is a real pig on that small machine) and use it remote.
Pretty slick getting a 24" DSO screen. (hint: ssh in, then
run the bare app with the DISPLAY variable set). Don't use
vnc, that just gets you an image of the LA desktop.

That's HPUX 10.2 and there are additional binaries you can load.
For a while the Merjin archive had dropped the 10.x binaries
but they're back online now. You can add bash and ssh as
well as gcc, perl and a few others.
Adding ssh makes it very easy to copy files in and out. On
my network that was a mandatory add. If you're unfortunate
enough to be using a windows machine to access the LA remotely, use putty.

All that said, if you're not familiar with unix, just accept
the UI they give you and learn to work with it. For me,
having a computer that runs an LA app is more useful than an
LA that happens to run on a computer.
But
I've been building Unix systems for 30 years and can pretty
much make them do whatever I want.

I had a lot of trouble finding a CD reader that would work
with mine. I think I ended up with either a Plextor or an
IBM. The good news is that SCSI CD readers are cheap these days.

I also added a larger/faster hard drive to mine. Gcc
wouldn't fit on the original :-)

Paul

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:41:08AM -0800, Pete Lancashire wrote:

The 16700A is a piece of T&M that uses HPUX as its base
control

software and UI. Although it is a complete kernel the "devices"
are not all standard, any changes to what you see and get
and you can tank the whole thing and have to start over from
a CD mounted via a external SCSI CD Drive, not only external
but one that has to support Unix size disk

blocks

vs native CD block sizes. Back to devices changes in the
startup

sequence can cause I/O modules to stop working as well.

Your prompt is pretty much common for a system without a
host name, in

the

case the unknown is where the host-name would go

If you want to continue using it as a LA, I would strongly
suggest not changing the display and just get use to it.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Richard R. Pope <

mechanic_2@...>

wrote:

Hello all,

. . . . I have a benefactor that was nice enough to
send me

a
16700A

LA.

I don't like the Xwindows that is setup to look like Win95. UGH!
Going by Dave Partridge's web site allows be to get into
HPUX but from there it all comes a part for me. I am able to
log into ISL without any problems and

then I can log into hpux using the -is command. I get a

unknown:/>

prompt.

I am able to execute mkdir /cdrom with no problems. I don't
know enough

about Unix to find the sys.x11start.gz file. When I explore
one

of the CDROM images that I have on my win machine there is
no such file. I

also

don't know how to access the cdrom drive that I have hooked up.
it does

show up in the path as sescsi.0.0 so I know that the system
sees

it.
Unfortunately there is no sys.x11start.gz on the CDROM
discs. I also

don't

know how to setup the network under UNIX.

GOD Bless and Thanks,

rich!






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