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Dear Tartaners,

I have a long deck crack down the center of the foredeck. (The boat  
was improperly repaired a decade ago). The core is delaminated about  
4" on either side of the crack....maybe wet beyond that. Water has  
found its way down to the aft end of the 2x4 glassed in above the v- 
berth, and drips from there.

My plan is to use a router (hooked up to a shop vac) to remove that  
strip of deck, core, and the rotten parts of trhe 2X4...all from  
above (leaving the v-berth ceiling intact and supported from below).  
I will open the deck as wide as necessary until I find dry, solid  
core. I will then glass in a new 2x4 (oak?). After re-coring and re- 
glassing up to deck level, I plan to epoxy teak strips to the deck  
rather than attempt to create a new non-skid. Also, I will replace  
the single bow cleat with port and starboard cleats (with backing  
plates).

Any suggestions or advice gratefully appreciated. I will post pics.

Thanks!
Marty (Vancouver)


 
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Dear Tartaners,

I have a long deck crack down the center of the foredeck. (The boat was improperly repaired a decade ago). The core is delaminated about 4" on either side of the crack....maybe wet beyond that. Water has found its way down to the aft end of the 2x4 glassed in above the v- berth, and drips from there.

My plan is to use a router (hooked up to a shop vac) to remove that strip of deck, core, and the rotten parts of trhe 2X4...all from above (leaving the v-berth ceiling intact and supported from below). I will open the deck as wide as necessary until I find dry, solid core. I will then glass in a new 2x4 (oak?). After re-coring and re- glassing up to deck level, I plan to epoxy teak strips to the deck rather than attempt to create a new non-skid. Also, I will replace the single bow cleat with port and starboard cleats (with backing plates).

Any suggestions or advice gratefully appreciated. I will post pics.

Thanks!
Marty (Vancouver)

I just added the T27 owners manual to the files section of the
website. There is some other useful stuff there as well but painfully
little when compared to the old discussion forums from the old site.
The sad fact is that Ken was not able to provide me with any raw data
files containing the discussions. I am a programmer and would have
had fun trying to reconstruct some of the threads or pulled my hair
out. I gladly took what information he was able to send me though.
I believe that anyone can add items to the Files, Photos, Links and
Database sections of this site.
At the same time Brian is working on the www.t-27.com website and has
the discussion forums up and running. I am planning to join that
website as well.
I have also found yet another sailing website that is not Tartan
specific which has a pretty active crowd of users and helpful archives
(not unlike our old site). Go to sailboatowners.com, then click on 24
hour activity or search their archives by keyword. There are quite a
few brands of boats represented by this site including Hunter,
Benneteau, Siedelman, MacGregor to name but a few.

Caleb,

Thanks for your efforts here. I agree that one site is best, whether
it is on this yahoo forum or another rebuilt site... If you had the
ability to reconstruct the bulk of the info from unformatted data
files from the discussion forums and easily post it on Yahoo Groups
that would be great. The discussion groups were the jewel in the
crown of the old site.

James

Marty,
I discovered a file I uploaded from the old site that has the original
T27 specs on it called "information.html" under the Files section
here. The specs for props says for 2 blade use 13x12x1 and for 3
blade use 13x11x1. Sorry I could not find this info for you while I
was in Hawai'i and you needed to buy a prop. Snow in NY and I cant
wait for warmer weather to get our boating season underway.

Neville D,
Did you get to go up to the Maine coast (was it?) last season? If so,
how was the trip?

Thanks for the reply!

Marty,
Glad you found this group so quickly. We were all mortified that the old site was "lost".
Ken was nice enough to send me the basic info (Links, Info pages) but the old pictures and
discussion are apparently "lost".
I am a bit west of you right now on the island of Oahu, HI but will try to measure the prop
clearance when I get home after 3/9/07. Again, I wish the old discussion info was still
available as I am certain that other owners have done the same as you are planning. We
have a 2 fluke (blade, I have seen too many whales lately) prop and I am fairly certain that
the 11 dimension is correct but do not hold me to it until I can measure it personally.
Good luck with ripping out the old ice box. I currently use mine for storage of empty beer
cans and other non-essential items and wish that the real estate could be put to better
use.
There are lots of sea turtles, whales and dolphins out here and a few Monk Seals around
the island of Kuai.
Good luck with all your spring chores.
Caleb
#328 Odalisque 1967

Brian,
I feel your pain and I too miss the old website that Ken set up and maintained. I missed it so much that I set up a Yahoo Group called
T27Owners and uploaded a bunch of info that Ken provided me. He was
not able to provide me with a dump or file of the discussion forums
though so all of that good stuff seems to be lost. I applaud you if
you want to try and rebuild a new site but I would like to mention a
few things:
1) the Yahoo Groups website is a free hosting and has room to upload
pictures, text files, databases and has a discussion forum like feature
built in via email (why rebuild the wheel?).
2) I have already uploaded and updated the Links and Info pages from
the old site within the T27Owners group (Ken was kind enough to provide
me with that baseline of information)
3) If you are convinced you want to take on building the t-27.com site
(and maintaining and paying for it) then I salute you. My feeling is
that there should be one place we can all go to get the info we were
used to getting.
4) I am a currently out of work programmer and would be happy to write
a C++ program to parse the old data files if we could get a hold of
them in order to extract the useful forum information. If this could
happen I would be happy to provide you with the info as well but again
I think it might be just as easy to use the Yahoo Groups feature rather
than try to re-build the website, page by page (it is free after all).
Other sailboat owners have their own groups on Yahoo not that that
should discourage you.
If I could only get my hands on the unformatted data files from the
discussion forums I might be able to reconstruct the bulk of the info
and easily post it on Yahoo Groups.
Have you checked it out?
I feel your pain.
Caleb Davison
#328 Odalisque 1967

Well, I've migrated. Thanks for setting this up so quickly!

A question already. Doing an early haul-out this year, and want to
switch to a new 3 blade prop. We do a lot of motoring...still A4
power. Also going to remove the old VDO speedometer fin.

I need to know if there is ample clearance for an 11 x 5 prop. Does
anyone have one that large? I need to order before she's out of the water.

Also, do any Canadians on the list know what the import duty will be
on a $310 (US) prop? Deciding between the Indigo (US) and Campbel Sailor.

Off to work on tearing out the ice box finally!

Many thanks,
Marty (Vancouver)

"Poseidon" 1967 #342

The loss of the Tartan 27 Owners site, to me, is a great loss! I
needed that site! The information in the discussions and in the
projects was priceless!

Thanks for getting this started. I hope we can get back to where we
were before this loss happened.

HBH
Irish Wake
Hull 278

The message copied below is the latest I've been able to learn about
the old Tartan 27 Owners site. Many thanks to Brian for his efforts
to discover what happened, and in setting up the new site. Hopefully
the discussion information from the old site will be archived
somewhere and we can integrate it into the new one.

From Brian G.:

I managed to reach Ken and I found out what happened to the old site.
They had a hardware failure and lost all the discussion information.
Between the hardware failure and his fights with spam he decided not
to rebuild the site. He did offer to help me with pictures and what
not from the old site. I think he may also be willing to transfer the
old domain.

My plan at the moment is to get an anchor set on the T-27.com site and
figure out how to recreate the discussion groups and content. :)

Thanks for taking the time to register for the group. It will be
difficult to build up the useful content that was on the other site.
You have got to start somewhere.
I am still tring to get the word out to the T27 community so thanks
for being the first besides myself.