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Re: new sunfish

 

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I have a daggerboard. Used maybe twice.?

Ted Skeffington
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On Mar 22, 2019, at 6:03 PM, Thomas Payne thomas3452@... [sunfish_sailor] <sunfish_sailor@...> wrote:

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My suggestion would be to contact the Class Measurer and get his opinion of the matter. I'm sure you can find other officers on the class website.?
I belong to the Class Association for this very reason, that we all stick together to keep the sport and the boat moving forward.?
I would love to have a new Sunfish....?
Tom Payne #35083
On Friday, March 22, 2019, 6:48:43 PM EDT, 'Mark Kastel' kastel@... [sunfish_sailor] <sunfish_sailor@...> wrote:


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Hello all,

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After a 40 year hiatus I was determined to get back into the Sunfish class in 2017. I came close to not making it because of the gross dysfunction of the manufacturer.

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There were virtually no new boats available. None in the Midwest. And I located a couple really, really nice clean used boats but they needed all the racing gear (sail, daggerboard, lines, etc.). It wasn't mandatory but I bought a new fiberglass broader blade as well before the North Americans. I believe the situation has been resolved but in the whole country I couldn't find a sail or daggerboard.

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I paid $1000 for the hull including wood blades that were in beautiful shape. But everything else I had to purchase and I put a lot of sweat equity in the boat installing ports, sanding the bottom and mounting the new hardware. I purchased covers. I used the dolly and tiller extension from my Laser. I have less invested than if I had purchased a new boat but that's not counting one heck of a lot of time and hassle.

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If I had to do it again I probably would buy a new one (although I love my 1983 – it looks just like the one I owned as a teenager). Here's the whole story that was published in the class magazine:

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The other advantage of buying a new boat, and over the years I used to buy a new Laser every 1-3 years (I used to joke by saying I needed a new sail and it came with a boat).. There's very, very low depreciation. By buying a new boat you are keeping the manufacturer and dealer in business and if you turn over a good boat periodically you are adding another competitive boat to your fleet or region. Everyone wins.

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Good luck to you,

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Mark Kastel

La Crosse Sailing Club

La Crosse, Wisconsin

Sunfish 7500

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From: sunfish_sailor@... [mailto:sunfish_sailor@...]
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 9:04 AM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Re: new sunfish

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The biggest competition for a New fish is... a quality used fish. Kinda the same thing as Harleys. If it looks and sails the same, why spend more? They last a very long time with any kind of care at all.

Which suggests to me a question; is there an official appraisal/rating system for used Sunfish, kind of like the quality rating systems for comic books and such?? Or the concours ratings on classic restored cars? I've never heard of one.

Seems like it would be pretty subjective, but an objective format might be based on some easy criteria like:

Age of the hull
Hull weight over factory spec.
Number of non-factory-original holes made in it.
OEM parts percentage regarding the rigging, rudder, daggerboard.
Condition of mast and spars from like-new to "some scuffs" to "looks ok? from the dockside".? Any bends or kinks would take points off.
Quality of the gelcoat in terms of cracks, scratches, goug es, breaks: none, minor spiderwebs, major cracks, repaired and refinished damage.
overall finish: Original, refinished, repainted.

A points system associated with each category gives you an overall number that could roughly describe the boat's value relative to factory-new.? But it also might give you a? checklist, a way to assess the value of a used boat in relative dollars to fix it up, compared to the price of a brand new boat.? A 100-dollar boat is a great value, ...unless you need to spend 2-300 dollars (and shipping) on a new mast and spars, 100 for a new sail,? 80-100 for a new block, 100 for cam cleats, 80 for ropes and lines, 100 for a daggerboard or a rudder,? 80-150 for a tiller or a tiller extension, 50-150 on fiberglass and refinishing supplies... see where I'm going with this?? I got a used boat for basically 20 bucks.? I've got probably 300, spent in little batches, into it now, to restore it. It's a ctually worth more, parted-out, than at the dock, ready to sail...

... or you could just jump in the damn thing and go sail:-) We don't do this for money, we do it for love. But money helps make it all happen.
Re: Sunfish for sale [4 Attachments]

 

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On Mar 14, 2019, at 12:02 PM, hughcg@... [sunfish_sailor] <sunfish_sailor@...> wrote:

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I figured out how to send pics, this is the 78

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Re: new sunfish

 

My suggestion would be to contact the Class Measurer and get his opinion of the matter. I'm sure you can find other officers on the class website.?
I belong to the Class Association for this very reason, that we all stick together to keep the sport and the boat moving forward.?
I would love to have a new Sunfish....?
Tom Payne #35083
On Friday, March 22, 2019, 6:48:43 PM EDT, 'Mark Kastel' kastel@... [sunfish_sailor] wrote:


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Hello all,

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After a 40 year hiatus I was determined to get back into the Sunfish class in 2017. I came close to not making it because of the gross dysfunction of the manufacturer.

?

There were virtually no new boats available. None in the Midwest. And I located a couple really, really nice clean used boats but they needed all the racing gear (sail, daggerboard, lines, etc.). It wasn't mandatory but I bought a new fiberglass broader blade as well before the North Americans. I believe the situation has been resolved but in the whole country I couldn't find a sail or daggerboard.

?

I paid $1000 for the hull including wood blades that were in beautiful shape. But everything else I had to purchase and I put a lot of sweat equity in the boat installing ports, sanding the bottom and mounting the new hardware. I purchased covers. I used the dolly and tiller extension from my Laser. I have less invested than if I had purchased a new boat but that's not counting one heck of a lot of time and hassle.

?

If I had to do it again I probably would buy a new one (although I love my 1983 – it looks just like the one I owned as a teenager). Here's the whole story that was published in the class magazine:

?

The other advantage of buying a new boat, and over the years I used to buy a new Laser every 1-3 years (I used to joke by saying I needed a new sail and it came with a boat). There's very, very low depreciation. By buying a new boat you are keeping the manufacturer and dealer in business and if you turn over a good boat periodically you are adding another competitive boat to your fleet or region. Everyone wins.

?

Good luck to you,

?

Mark Kastel

La Crosse Sailing Club

La Crosse, Wisconsin

Sunfish 7500

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From: sunfish_sailor@... [mailto:sunfish_sailor@...]
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 9:04 AM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Re: new sunfish

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?

The biggest competition for a New fish is... a quality used fish. Kinda the same thing as Harleys. If it looks and sails the same, why spend more? They last a very long time with any kind of care at all.

Which suggests to me a question; is there an official appraisal/rating system for used Sunfish, kind of like the quality rating systems for comic books and such?? Or the concours ratings on classic restored cars? I've never heard of one.

Seems like it would be pretty subjective, but an objective format might be based on some easy criteria like:

Age of the hull
Hull weight over factory spec.
Number of non-factory-original holes made in it.
OEM parts percentage regarding the rigging, rudder, daggerboard.
Condition of mast and spars from like-new to "some scuffs" to "looks ok? from the dockside".? Any bends or kinks would take points off.
Quality of the gelcoat in terms of cracks, scratches, goug es, breaks: none, minor spiderwebs, major cracks, repaired and refinished damage.
overall finish: Original, refinished, repainted.

A points system associated with each category gives you an overall number that could roughly describe the boat's value relative to factory-new.? But it also might give you a? checklist, a way to assess the value of a used boat in relative dollars to fix it up, compared to the price of a brand new boat.? A 100-dollar boat is a great value, ...unless you need to spend 2-300 dollars (and shipping) on a new mast and spars, 100 for a new sail,? 80-100 for a new block, 100 for cam cleats, 80 for ropes and lines, 100 for a daggerboard or a rudder,? 80-150 for a tiller or a tiller extension, 50-150 on fiberglass and refinishing supplies... see where I'm going with this?? I got a used boat for basically 20 bucks.? I've got probably 300, spent in little batches, into it now, to restore it. It's a ctually worth more, parted-out, than at the dock, ready to sail...

... or you could just jump in the damn thing and go sail:-) We don't do this for money, we do it for love. But money helps make it all happen.
Re: new sunfish

 

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Hello all,

?

After a 40 year hiatus I was determined to get back into the Sunfish class in 2017. I came close to not making it because of the gross dysfunction of the manufacturer.

?

There were virtually no new boats available. None in the Midwest. And I located a couple really, really nice clean used boats but they needed all the racing gear (sail, daggerboard, lines, etc.). It wasn't mandatory but I bought a new fiberglass broader blade as well before the North Americans. I believe the situation has been resolved but in the whole country I couldn't find a sail or daggerboard.

?

I paid $1000 for the hull including wood blades that were in beautiful shape. But everything else I had to purchase and I put a lot of sweat equity in the boat installing ports, sanding the bottom and mounting the new hardware. I purchased covers. I used the dolly and tiller extension from my Laser. I have less invested than if I had purchased a new boat but that's not counting one heck of a lot of time and hassle.

?

If I had to do it again I probably would buy a new one (although I love my 1983 – it looks just like the one I owned as a teenager). Here's the whole story that was published in the class magazine:

?

The other advantage of buying a new boat, and over the years I used to buy a new Laser every 1-3 years (I used to joke by saying I needed a new sail and it came with a boat). There's very, very low depreciation. By buying a new boat you are keeping the manufacturer and dealer in business and if you turn over a good boat periodically you are adding another competitive boat to your fleet or region. Everyone wins.

?

Good luck to you,

?

Mark Kastel

La Crosse Sailing Club

La Crosse, Wisconsin

Sunfish 7500

?

From: sunfish_sailor@... [mailto:sunfish_sailor@...]
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 9:04 AM
To: sunfish_sailor@...
Subject: [sunfish_sailor] Re: new sunfish

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?

The biggest competition for a New fish is... a quality used fish. Kinda the same thing as Harleys. If it looks and sails the same, why spend more? They last a very long time with any kind of care at all.

Which suggests to me a question; is there an official appraisal/rating system for used Sunfish, kind of like the quality rating systems for comic books and such?? Or the concours ratings on classic restored cars? I've never heard of one.

Seems like it would be pretty subjective, but an objective format might be based on some easy criteria like:

Age of the hull
Hull weight over factory spec.
Number of non-factory-original holes made in it.
OEM parts percentage regarding the rigging, rudder, daggerboard.
Condition of mast and spars from like-new to "some scuffs" to "looks ok? from the dockside".? Any bends or kinks would take points off.
Quality of the gelcoat in terms of cracks, scratches, goug es, breaks: none, minor spiderwebs, major cracks, repaired and refinished damage.
overall finish: Original, refinished, repainted.

A points system associated with each category gives you an overall number that could roughly describe the boat's value relative to factory-new.? But it also might give you a? checklist, a way to assess the value of a used boat in relative dollars to fix it up, compared to the price of a brand new boat.? A 100-dollar boat is a great value, ...unless you need to spend 2-300 dollars (and shipping) on a new mast and spars, 100 for a new sail,? 80-100 for a new block, 100 for cam cleats, 80 for ropes and lines, 100 for a daggerboard or a rudder,? 80-150 for a tiller or a tiller extension, 50-150 on fiberglass and refinishing supplies... see where I'm going with this?? I got a used boat for basically 20 bucks.? I've got probably 300, spent in little batches, into it now, to restore it. It's a ctually worth more, parted-out, than at the dock, ready to sail...

... or you could just jump in the damn thing and go sail:-) We don't do this for money, we do it for love. But money helps make it all happen.
Re: new sunfish

 

Are Sunfish all internet/phone order now?

On Friday, March 22, 2019, 9:29:28 AM CDT, lewis.kent@... [sunfish_sailor] wrote:


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Sounds like a great plan!
Re: new sunfish

 

The biggest competition for a New fish is... a quality used fish. Kinda the same thing as Harleys. If it looks and sails the same, why spend more? They last a very long time with any kind of care at all.

Which suggests to me a question; is there an official appraisal/rating system for used Sunfish, kind of like the quality rating systems for comic books and such?? Or the concours ratings on classic restored cars? I've never heard of one.

Seems like it would be pretty subjective, but an objective format might be based on some easy criteria like:

Age of the hull
Hull weight over factory spec.
Number of non-factory-original holes made in it.
OEM parts percentage regarding the rigging, rudder, daggerboard.
Condition of mast and spars from like-new to "some scuffs" to "looks ok? from the dockside".? Any bends or kinks would take points off.
Quality of the gelcoat in terms of cracks, scratches, gouges, breaks: none, minor spiderwebs, major cracks, repaired and refinished damage.
overall finish: Original, refinished, repainted.

A points system associated with each category gives you an overall number that could roughly describe the boat's value relative to factory-new.? But it also might give you a? checklist, a way to assess the value of a used boat in relative dollars to fix it up, compared to the price of a brand new boat.? A 100-dollar boat is a great value, ...unless you need to spend 2-300 dollars (and shipping) on a new mast and spars, 100 for a new sail,? 80-100 for a new block, 100 for cam cleats, 80 for ropes and lines, 100 for a daggerboard or a rudder,? 80-150 for a tiller or a tiller extension, 50-150 on fiberglass and refinishing supplies... see where I'm going with this?? I got a used boat for basically 20 bucks.? I've got probably 300, spent in little batches, into it now, to restore it. It's actually worth more, parted-out, than at the dock, ready to sail...

... or you could just jump in the damn thing and go sail:-) We don't do this for money, we do it for love. But money helps make it all happen.
Re: new sunfish

 

Sounds like a great plan!
new sunfish

 

Anybody buying a new sunfish? I think that's what I'd like to do this spring.

Tom
$100 Sunfish near Kalamazoo, Michigan

 

This is not my boat, but I saw it on craigslist and I thought someone on this list might be interested:

Sunfish sailboat - $100

I have an old sunfish sailboat with trailer and all parts. Has sail, trailer, mast, boom, tiller, rudder, and lines. The hull needs some repair to the cockpit, has about a 6” crack in the floor. The wood parts need some new finish but all working order. (269)598-6one1two
Re: Sunfish for sale

 

I just sold both of my sunfish to a sailing school in Panama City Beach that lost all of there sunfish and lazors in hurricane Michael, l let both boats, a trailer, a dolly, and some spare parts go for 1100$ , he was happy with that, he is is back in business, glad I could help a sailing school in need, and I am not far from Panama city, he says I can come sail them anytime.

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On Mar 14, 2019 10:29 PM, "rhkramer@... [sunfish_sailor]" <sunfish_sailor@...> wrote:

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:59:48 AM hughcg@... [sunfish_sailor] wrote:
> If you anywhere near Tallahassee FL I can deliver

Nope, sorry, nowhere near there.

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> Sent from my Verizon Motorola Droid
> On Mar 13, 2019 8:15 PM, "rhkramer@... [sunfish_sailor]"
> <sunfish_sailor@...> wrote:
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> On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 05:47:08 PM hughcg@... [sunfish_sailor]
wrote:
> > I must part with my sunfish, I have 2 sunfish for sale, a1978 and a
> > 1971, the 78 is in excellent condition, with new intensity sail, new
> > CRP rudder and ash tiller, has mohogany dagger board, sail/ spar bag,
> > beach dolly and trailer, the 71 in fair/good condition ready to sail,
> > no trailer, I was going to put pictures in here it's not letting me, I
> > keep trying,, Hugh
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> Do you plan to deliver? (Free?)
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Re: Sunfish Rebuild

 

THANKS!!!! You all are the best! Such great advice!

What are the chances... Say I go ahead and take the sage advice offered to just split the hull and deck at the outside seam.

I'm worried that the deck is too brittle to take much bending. How realistic of a concern is that? I have some local cracking, epicenter, circular stuff, but no big long "cracks" in the gelocat.

By the way, adding a layer of fiberglass on the inside is brilliant. Saves sanding off the gelcoat...

I'll be sure to keep the group posted. Air test first. If no conclusive results, split the seams, and delicately lift the fore and aft decks and take a look. After that, mull things over! I'm sure I'll have more questions as I go along!

Thanks again Folks!? Dave
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Re: Sunfish for sale

 

On Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:59:48 AM hughcg@... [sunfish_sailor] wrote:
If you anywhere near Tallahassee FL I can deliver
Nope, sorry, nowhere near there.


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On Mar 13, 2019 8:15 PM, "rhkramer@... [sunfish_sailor]"
<sunfish_sailor@...> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 05:47:08 PM hughcg@... [sunfish_sailor]
wrote:
> I must part with my sunfish, I have 2 sunfish for sale, a1978 and a
> 1971, the 78 is in excellent condition, with new intensity sail, new
> CRP rudder and ash tiller, has mohogany dagger board, sail/ spar bag,
> beach dolly and trailer, the 71 in fair/good condition ready to sail,
> no trailer, I was going to put pictures in here it's not letting me, I
> keep trying,, Hugh

Do you plan to deliver? (Free?)
Re: Sunfish for sale

 

I think I can get pictures here, this is the 78

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Re: Sunfish for sale

 

I figured out how to send pics, this is the 78

Sent from my Verizon Motorola Droid
Re: Sunfish for sale

 

If you anywhere near Tallahassee FL I can deliver

Sent from my Verizon Motorola Droid

On Mar 13, 2019 8:15 PM, "rhkramer@... [sunfish_sailor]" <sunfish_sailor@...> wrote:

On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 05:47:08 PM hughcg@... [sunfish_sailor] wrote:
> I must part with my sunfish, I have 2 sunfish for sale, a1978 and a 1971,
> the 78 is in excellent condition, with new intensity sail, new CRP rudder
> and ash tiller, has mohogany dagger board, sail/ spar bag, beach dolly and
> trailer, the 71 in fair/good condition ready to sail, no trailer, I was
> going to put pictures in here it's not letting me, I keep trying,, Hugh

Do you plan to deliver? (Free?)
Re: Sunfish for sale

 

The 78 I asking $800, the 71 asking $300, 1000 for both, call me at 850-443-4217

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On Mar 13, 2019 6:29 PM, "Mdfoster9180 mfoster@... [sunfish_sailor]" <sunfish_sailor@...> wrote:

A price would be nice? Thx, Mike.

> On Mar 13, 2019, at 5:47 PM, hughcg@... [sunfish_sailor] <sunfish_sailor@...> wrote:
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> I must part with my sunfish, I have 2 sunfish for sale, a1978 and a 1971, the 78 is in excellent condition, with new intensity sail, new CRP rudder and ash tiller, has mohogany dagger board, sail/ spar bag, beach dolly and trailer, the 71 in fair/good condition ready to sail, no trailer, I was going to put pictures in here it's not letting me, I keep trying,, Hugh
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Re: Sunfish for sale

 

On Wednesday, March 13, 2019 05:47:08 PM hughcg@... [sunfish_sailor] wrote:
I must part with my sunfish, I have 2 sunfish for sale, a1978 and a 1971,
the 78 is in excellent condition, with new intensity sail, new CRP rudder
and ash tiller, has mohogany dagger board, sail/ spar bag, beach dolly and
trailer, the 71 in fair/good condition ready to sail, no trailer, I was
going to put pictures in here it's not letting me, I keep trying,, Hugh
Do you plan to deliver? (Free?)
Re: Sunfish for sale

Mdfoster9180
 

A price would be nice? Thx, Mike.

On Mar 13, 2019, at 5:47 PM, hughcg@... [sunfish_sailor] <sunfish_sailor@...> wrote:

I must part with my sunfish, I have 2 sunfish for sale, a1978 and a 1971, the 78 is in excellent condition, with new intensity sail, new CRP rudder and ash tiller, has mohogany dagger board, sail/ spar bag, beach dolly and trailer, the 71 in fair/good condition ready to sail, no trailer, I was going to put pictures in here it's not letting me, I keep trying,, Hugh

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Sunfish for sale

 

I must part with my sunfish, I have 2 sunfish for sale, a1978 and a 1971, the 78 is in excellent condition, with new intensity sail, new CRP rudder and ash tiller, has mohogany dagger board, sail/ spar bag, beach dolly and trailer, the 71 in fair/good condition ready to sail, no trailer, I was going to put pictures in here it's not letting me, I keep trying,, Hugh
Re: 2019!

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The paint is pretty rough. Mostly white with a small patch of blue. Original seems to have been white. It looks like a kit built boat. Woodwork is well done. Here is a shot of the bottom and one of the dagger slot. More to follow.
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