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On 2012-04-12, at 18:56, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@...> wrote:

I saw an interesting item yesterday in a British magazine that a
Subaru-vanagon customer sends me..
RaceCar Engineering Magazine ....- some interesting stuff in there .

www.drysump.com
they have one for subaru ..
3 oil line connections on the bottom.
I 'should' develop a subaru-vanagon dry sump system..
and sell kits.

Scott
www.turbovans.com

On 4/12/2012 4:02 PM, Jake de Villiers wrote:

Thanks guys!

Adding an oil cooler would add the extra capacity I'm looking for and is
probably where I'll end up. I looked up the Wix 51381 and it is usefully
bigger. While hunting that filter I came across the thread pitch and gasket
size for the Wix Subie filter, so I'm armed and dangerous!

Seeya, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, OlRivrRat<olrivrrat@...> wrote:

Hey Jake

I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the
size diff'

Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints

Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints

Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of
that available vol'

Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount& there is no
"fit" issue

ORR ~ DeanB


--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers<subyjake@...>
wrote:

Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in

that

I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.

Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?

Thanks, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones<jones@...>wrote:

Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your

oil

filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan.

Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.

The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.

Guess I'll measure and see.

Thanks,
Richard

--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle& PosiTrac Differential



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I saw an interesting item yesterday in a British magazine that a
Subaru-vanagon customer sends me..
RaceCar Engineering Magazine ....- some interesting stuff in there .

www.drysump.com
they have one for subaru ..
3 oil line connections on the bottom.
I 'should' develop a subaru-vanagon dry sump system..
and sell kits.

Scott
www.turbovans.com

Some filters have a bypass so pitch and gasket are not the only parameters.

Thanks, Tom


________________________________
From: Jake de Villiers <subyjake@...>
To: subaruvanagon@...
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Re: oil quantity in filter--EJ25

Thanks guys!

Adding an oil cooler would add the extra capacity I'm looking for and is
probably where I'll end up.? I looked up the Wix 51381 and it is usefully
bigger. While hunting that filter I came across the thread pitch and gasket
size for the Wix Subie filter, so I'm armed and dangerous!

Seeya, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, OlRivrRat <olrivrrat@...> wrote:

Hey Jake

I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the
size diff'

Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints

Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints

Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of
that available vol'

Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount & there is no
"fit" issue

ORR ~ DeanB


--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers <subyjake@...>
wrote:

Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in

that

I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.

Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?

Thanks, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones <jones@...>wrote:

Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your

oil

filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan.

Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.

The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.

Guess I'll measure and see.

Thanks,
Richard

--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential



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--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential



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On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:41 PM, OlRivrRat wrote:

I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the size diff'

Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints

Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints

Although the Tough Guard is better, by far, than all the other Frams that
Honeywell (Canada) makes, it's still inferior in materials and end cap
material and can strength, to what Tokyo Roki of Japan makes, in the
black H6 3.0 and 3.6 filters. If all you are looking for is the ability to
carry 1/4 to 1/2 quart more oil, then I suppose a larger filter is a good
thing. But if in doing that you are sacrificing good filtering, good
drainback valving, and good pressure and bypass function, then
you might want to reconsider. Why not just add either an oil cooler
OR remote filter set up, which would allow almost 2 more quarts
of oil in the system? I've looked at the product that Amsoil offers
for that and have just not sprung for the $200+ it would cost to
do it, and finding a place on the frame to mount it conveniently.

The black Tokyo Roki filters for 3.0 and 3.6 will fit/work on the 2.5.
It worked on my 2.2. Also, if larger is what you are after, the WIX 51356
is a good filter and probably the way to go.

bob

Thanks guys!

Adding an oil cooler would add the extra capacity I'm looking for and is
probably where I'll end up. I looked up the Wix 51381 and it is usefully
bigger. While hunting that filter I came across the thread pitch and gasket
size for the Wix Subie filter, so I'm armed and dangerous!

Seeya, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, OlRivrRat <olrivrrat@...> wrote:

Hey Jake

I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the
size diff'

Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints

Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints

Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of
that available vol'

Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount & there is no
"fit" issue

ORR ~ DeanB


--- In subaruvanagon@..., Jake de Villiers <subyjake@...>
wrote:

Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in

that

I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.

Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?

Thanks, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones <jones@...>wrote:

Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your

oil

filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan.

Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.

The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.

Guess I'll measure and see.

Thanks,
Richard

--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential



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--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential

Hey Jake

I run the Fram ThoughGuard TG3593A on my VDubarus 2001 EJ25 because of the size diff'

Subi OEM 2.625"D x 2.375"H = 12.8533CubicIns = 0.4451Pints

Fram TG3593A 3.000"D x 3.000"H = 21.2058CubicIns = 0.7344Pints

Keep in mind that there are some gutts to a filter that use up some of that available vol'

Also, my EJ25 is mounted on a 2009Vintage SmallCar Mount & there is no "fit" issue

ORR ~ DeanB

Jake:
I installed an aftermarket oil cooler and my 2.2 now uses a Wix 51381 filter, which is significantly larger than the OEM filter.
Craig

Not dumb at all Richard. But probably something you'd best measure
for yourself.

And as to other comments about bigger oil filters.....
I have purchased a larger oil filter but ran into problems with
clearance and the smallcar carrier. Maybe they've changed since i
purchased mine (carrier) which was about 2007 or so but make sure you
measure before you dump your oil and old filter!!!

all the best,
brent

--
Brent Weide
Portland, Oregon
www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/

Those are both 'just good and tight' ..
like a bit tighter than a spark plug ( many people don't install spark
plugs tight enough in my experience...
they should be around 26 ft lbs ) ..

so say ...32 ft lbs..
tighten them up evenly.
I always put 'something' ..either anti-sieze or red High Tach gasket
sealer on the threads of intake and water manifold bolts.
Very few bolts should ever be installed dry in my world...
always 'something' ..anti-seize, gasket sealer, teflon paste ..
something to prveent them from corroding in place.

I reversed the water manifold exactly one time..on an 84 ..
when I saw that the main hose connection was about 1.5 inches at the
most from the stock pipe at the firewall..
I could see how hard it would be to replace that hose if it failed.
I am *always* thinking about how to make it easy to work on and repair.
I would at least shorten that stock metal pipe ( and make a bell end on
it so the hose won't slip off ) so there's room to change the hose if
needed.
But then I wouldn't use a reversed water manifold anyway ..
I use a rising main pipe across the back ..
with a small full time air bleed at the high point ..that routes any air
in the engine right back to the top of the pressure bottle.
Works like a champ.
It is noteworthy that VW added several engine air bleed to the 2.1
waterboxer engine , when they upgraded the 1.9 wbxr cooling system to
the 2.1 style. Must be some reason for that !!

btw .....some torque values are critical ..say rod bolts, flywheel
bolts, crankshaft pulley bolt etc..
others are best done by feel and experience because often..
the stock factory torque ( this is especially true in VW .......
had some vw diesel injection line nuts the other day that were hyper
tight ..like 70 ft lbs ......like the injector line sealing spots on the
ends where damaged and distorted. Way, way too tight. I look up the
stock spec ...18 ft lbs ..if that's not a mistake ..
18 ft lbs is like 'nothing' ....less than spark plug torque .. I do them
by feel to probably 30 ft lbs. ) ..

also ..you can feel when a bolt is at about say 85 % of what it can take ..
you want to stop tightening before that. Experiment on some old car
parts if you have to.
I firmly believe it is far better to learn what works well for you
....and what is 'about right.'
then to go strictly by the book in every case.
Sometimes yes..say head bolts .do those exactly to spec torque..
ordinary fasteners ..develop a feel for it.

Scott
www.turbovans.com

Hi
for whatever it's worth..
I don't think any amount of oil cooler will make much of a difference in
EJ35 coolant cooling.

Some factors ...
one, if the radiator is pretty old ..it's due. The only failure mode I
ever see in these radiators is they just fail to remove heat well
eventually.
( or course there are tricks like other radiators that are bigger,
have more rows of tubes and fins etc. )

Make *sure* the cooling system layout is correct. I use a minor
variation of the basic Kennedy ( KEP ) system..works just fine for me on
every conversion.
Make sure the coolant is going through the radiator the correct direction !

Sometimes, to increase initial circulation I will drill a small hole on
the edge of the thermostat. That doesn't really improve cooling on the
hot end of things of course.

Don't run a really hot thermostat of course.

And use Water Wetter ..
it actually works...and is standard in all Vanagon work that I do
.........especially in the warm months.

Scott
www.turbovans.com



On 4/12/2012 4:21 AM, Hanniboon Boon wrote:

Thanks guy,

I just wonder that why many of my friend's suby having overheat and
head problems in this very hot tropical weather. Adding some oil
cooler may necessary.

Sent from iPhone

On 12 ??.?. 2555, at 9:21, "a914622" <a914622@...
<mailto:a914622%40yahoo.com>> wrote:

I have used the thermal plate out of a Volvo 740 turbo and plumed

the external oil cooler. The thermal plate bolts up were the stock
subaru water/oil cooler sits. It opens at 95c and cools the oil. There
were early subaru turbos that used the water/oil cooler, the problem
is they dont work quick enough to cool the oil under boost or in your
case under load.

There are some thermal plate being marketed at the wrx crowd. do a

google search.

The svx i have didnt have anything but the filter,but its getting an

external cooler.

jcl

--- In subaruvanagon@...

<mailto:subaruvanagon%40yahoogroups.com>, Hanniboon Boon
<hanniboon@...> wrote:

Hi,

We live in Thailand and there are many of us , T3 EJ25 , have the

same problem - the engine's head and overheating.

That make me wonder that the heat exchanger ( oil cooler ) was too

small.

I installed the oil-temp-guage to my 95' EJ25 n/a and I ve seen

that oil temp went above 110C ( 230F ) but the VW 's water temp
display so low , under the led. This always happen when drive in high
speed , 4000+ rpm.

This water temp gauge fools the driver that the engine still fine

, but it is not.

So I wonder that maybe subaru use the same size of oil cooler

inside both 22 and 25 n/a. And the bigger one in newer engine.

Sent from iPhone

On 3 ¨¤?€¨¤??.¨¤??. 2555, at 21:17, Brent Weide <brent.weide@...> wrote:

Hanniboon:
You are talking about the oil cooler that spins into the spot

between

the oil filter and engine case, yes?
Not too many of the USDM engines have the coolers that I've worked
with. I installed a Forester (2004) that had the oil cooler which I
removed because I couldn't easily find a way to plumb the coolant
lines without interfering with the smallcar engine carrier.
The oil coolers for impreza 2.5's that i've seen have been

around 77mm

in diameter by 42mm in depth. Not sure about svx's or ej22's.
all the best,
Brent
--
Brent Weide
Portland, Oregon
www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/

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Hey Richard, I'd imagine there's about a cup of oil or less in the OEM
Subaru oil filter, 8 ounces up here. Its a bit of an issue for me, in that
I think a little more capacity would really help oil temps.

Does anybody know of a bigger filter that fits the 2.5 Subaru engine?

Thanks, Jake

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Richard A Jones <jones@...>wrote:

> Trick question?

The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan.

Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.

The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.

Guess I'll measure and see.

Thanks,
Richard

--
Jake
------------------------------------------
Crescent Beach, BC
-----------------------------------------------------
1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender/2000 2.5 SOHC
with 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential

Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan.

Not trick. Maybe dumb. Larry suggests about 1/2 qt and Rob say
you have to check every car.

The oil in the block and heads doesn't count, since it is there
when you drain the oil. It is just the amount that goes into the
new filter that I'm curious about. The filter is pretty small.

Guess I'll measure and see.

Thanks,
Richard

Torque settings for intake manifold are listed in a torque listing
file in Files > Torque Information
I'd suggest starting with inside bolts and finishing with outside bolts.



I'd consult the subaru manual to be sure but would guess that the
coolant manifold should be torqued somewhere around 7 pounds.


--
Brent Weide
Portland, Oregon
www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/

Hi group,

I'm finished with the tear down an cleanup phase of putting a new rocky mountain Westy reversed coolant system and stainless steel pipes into my vanaru (84 Westy with a 94 ej22). I have two questions for the group:

1. How tight should the bolts be (4 bolts) that secure the coolant manifold to the engine block?

2. Same question for the intake manifold bolts (8 bolts)? Is there a required tightening sequence?

Thanks for any insight. Couldn't find these answers searching the archives.

Dave

Thanks guy,

I just wonder that why many of my friend's suby having overheat and head problems in this very hot tropical weather. Adding some oil cooler may necessary.

Sent from iPhone

On 12 ??.?. 2555, at 9:21, "a914622" <a914622@...> wrote:

I have used the thermal plate out of a Volvo 740 turbo and plumed the external oil cooler. The thermal plate bolts up were the stock subaru water/oil cooler sits. It opens at 95c and cools the oil. There were early subaru turbos that used the water/oil cooler, the problem is they dont work quick enough to cool the oil under boost or in your case under load.
There are some thermal plate being marketed at the wrx crowd. do a google search.

The svx i have didnt have anything but the filter,but its getting an external cooler.

jcl

--- In subaruvanagon@..., Hanniboon Boon <hanniboon@...> wrote:

Hi,

We live in Thailand and there are many of us , T3 EJ25 , have the same problem - the engine's head and overheating.

That make me wonder that the heat exchanger ( oil cooler ) was too small.

I installed the oil-temp-guage to my 95' EJ25 n/a and I ve seen that oil temp went above 110C ( 230F ) but the VW 's water temp display so low , under the led. This always happen when drive in high speed , 4000+ rpm.

This water temp gauge fools the driver that the engine still fine , but it is not.

So I wonder that maybe subaru use the same size of oil cooler inside both 22 and 25 n/a. And the bigger one in newer engine.

Sent from iPhone

On 3 ¨¤?€¨¤??.¨¤??. 2555, at 21:17, Brent Weide <brent.weide@...> wrote:

Hanniboon:
You are talking about the oil cooler that spins into the spot between
the oil filter and engine case, yes?
Not too many of the USDM engines have the coolers that I've worked
with. I installed a Forester (2004) that had the oil cooler which I
removed because I couldn't easily find a way to plumb the coolant
lines without interfering with the smallcar engine carrier.
The oil coolers for impreza 2.5's that i've seen have been around 77mm
in diameter by 42mm in depth. Not sure about svx's or ej22's.
all the best,
Brent
--
Brent Weide
Portland, Oregon
www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/

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I'm just finishing up a 1990 Legacy engine in an '83 Westy, and have to do the California Smog thing shortly. I went the Kennedy route, and have the executive order D-428-1 for the swap. I've met all the requirements, and I believe it's clean as a whistle. My local smog guy seems game to test it, but has this question: How is this input in the smog machine for to generate the test approval? He's a sharp guy, but has not had to deal with an Exec Order before. I don't want to have to go the referee route, with the bar code, and don't think I should have to. His question is literally, "How is this handled by the smog check station computer?"

If anyone has gone through the process with the Kennedy stuff in California, and watched what their smog guy did, or can help me out with information I would appreciate it.

Thanks, James Sly

I have used the thermal plate out of a Volvo 740 turbo and plumed the external oil cooler. The thermal plate bolts up were the stock subaru water/oil cooler sits. It opens at 95c and cools the oil. There were early subaru turbos that used the water/oil cooler, the problem is they dont work quick enough to cool the oil under boost or in your case under load.
There are some thermal plate being marketed at the wrx crowd. do a google search.

The svx i have didnt have anything but the filter,but its getting an external cooler.

jcl

Try it and see!
Filters are not all the same size, but I generally figure about half a quart.

Larry A.

Trick question?
The oil level will go down by the amount of oil that remains in your
engine block and heads plus the amount of oil that remains in your oil
filter. The level will go up as the oil returns from those areas to
the oil drip pan.


--
Brent Weide
Portland, Oregon
www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/

If I start with fresh oil and filter and the oil
is up to (say) the top mark, and I start the
engine, idle, shutoff, and then check the oil,
how much will it be down? That is, how much oil
goes into a fresh filter? Or am I missing something
and asking the wrong question.

Thanks,
Richard
(2005 EJ25 in my Syncro Westy)