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Hi Susan, Hobert, David, Jim and the rest of the gang,

I finally got around to installing the KEP oil pan last Saturday. It
mounted up just fine. I was able to install all the bolts, starting them
with my fingers, just fine, all except one. Don't tell Hobert but I left
that one out!! It is the one located at the rear of the pan between those
two plug fittings that stick down from the Subaru engine. I put a nice bead
of gasket goop on the pan before I installed it and once I had all the bolts
started (except one) I just snugged them up a bit, broke for lunch and let
the goop firm up a bit and then tightened them the rest of the way. That
pan is stiff enough and flat enough that I figured I could get away with one
missing bolt. I have since driven several hundred miles and not a drop of
oil has leaked. Perfect!

As for the dip stick. I had to cut the mounting tang off the dip stick in
order to get it out (down) from between the engine and timing belt cover.
No matter how I held my lips or what evil words I said could get that dip
stick out of there without cutting the tang off. Anyway, once I had it out
I just plugged it back into the new pan location with it coming up between
the timing belt cover and the heat shield. I made a bracket to hold it in
place and am using it that way. I did not try bending it so it would aim at
the license plate door. You see, I like to pull the engine cover every now
and then to admire my Subaru engine!! That and the fact that I have to add
about a quart of oil every 1,000 miles!

Anyway, all this to say... I'm a happy guy!!

Thanks.

Of course I have the KEP oil pan on my webpage with pictures.



I understand you may be on the verge of building an additional building. If
so, I hope my putting the new oil pan out there on the web doesn't cause you
additional headaches.

I will pull it off the web if you want.

I will send you my original oil pick up tube. I had given you a Subaru pan
I picked up at a wrecking yard that you converted for me while I was there.
Now have an additional one that you can have if you want it.

Happy new year and much success.

Ron

Hi, Warren;

You posted this back in the middle of November...that you would make
the diagram of numbers and pins for the gray plugs available for
those with '92 engines.

I am trying to match up the wires in the harness that go to the large
grey plugs. The Subaru engine is "supposed" to be a '92, but the the
harness seems to have a few possible discrepancies: 1)the diode is
brown, four wires ['93+ according to KEP's large drawing]...no real
problem, I guess; 2)the A/C connector wire is single plug, which
doesn't match the triple plug of the A/C pump on the engine, etc.,
but I can't figure why that should be the case if the harness came
from the same car as the engine.

However, the main concern I have at this point is I want to trace all
wires going through the "large grey" plugs to confirm the harness
will work with the engine and is from the same vehicle, as the
supplier says it is. Hence, my question concerning your "mapping out
the pins of your '92...they should match the pattern of my "'92"
(according to the people (Tony) in Sacramento who sent me the package
out of a wrecked '92 with 69K miles.

Thanks!

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Warren Chapman" <tallsound@m...>
wrote:

Ron,

Ed McKinley gave me a copy of your diagram but I found that on

my '92

2.2L I found that the "large grey" plugs were different size and

also

wired differently than the '91 plugs. After 92 the ground wires

went

through the plugs and were grounded to the engine.

I mapped out my plugs....actually numbered the pins with a Sharpie
pen and then made a numbered i.d. list of the pin numbers.

I'll try to make a diagram and post it for those with '92 engines.
Not sure if the pattern holds for later model engines.


Warren C.

I have noticed more
than once that when comparing tires from different manufacturers of
the SAME size (ie both are 205/70/14's or whatever) that the tires
are NOT always the same size. In fact there can be a large variation.

Steve,

Which brand and model tire did you have??

Warren

Group,
Since the cat is now out of the bag so-to-speak, one of the protoypes
is on my '86 syncro. I have not seen it but the first reports have
been favorable after a wee bit of tweaking was performed. If it
looks as nice as Ron's, I will be pleased. My van is now running and
waiting on the AC work.
Mike Pidcoe
'82 diesel (Hanagon-Blue)
'86 syncro (suby conversion with verticaly challenged oil pan)

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "KEP" <kennedy@h...> wrote:

Hobert does not have a wife. We are working on cutting down the

labor time

of the oil pan. We have about 10 here already that we are

committed to do.

I will post a message when we are ready to accept more cores for

conversion.

There are 3 "prototypes" out there - Ron Bloomquist in one of

them. They

are looking good, we just have to get a system going so they are

not so time

consuming, we are doing them "in house" as the local welding shop

took 5

hours and did not do the job right. (Sigh).

Susan
Kennedy Engineered Products
38830 17th St. East
Palmdale, CA 93550

(661) 272-1147
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Coseo <roadcamp@h...>
To: <subaruvanagon@...>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Failed emissions inspection!

Hobert,
Spoke with your wife the other day. She mentioned some

difficulties your

were having with the shortened oil pans. Any idea when they might

become

available? Checked out Roadcows web page. The one he has looked

great.

-steve
seattle, wa

I am in leucadia and have done the conversion. Thought about 911 and did
the sub. The only thing I would rather have is a boxsterS motor.

Good luck

b4bzerk@... wrote:

Hi Warren.
I dont recall them rubbing anywhere else than where Ive just mentioned in my response to Dereck ( the little plastic wheel flares on the bottom rear of the front wheel openings.
I turned the wheels fully while driving and never noticed them rubbing until I went up my driveway, which has a sudden rise to it.
I never heard rubbing unless I was turning and under compression.
I took it off road up to the pass and ripped around in the snow. No rubbing going straight at all. (i can tell you that I was laughing and grinning the whole time. It was my first experience in a Vanagon in the snow at its wierd to not be getting stuck)

Bear in mind the tires were pretty wide, and tall. Also, I have noticed more than once that when comparing tires from different manufacturers of the SAME size (ie both are 205/70/14's or whatever) that the tires are NOT always the same size. In fact there can be a large variation, and it doesnt seem like the ratios between diam. and sidewall height are always exact.
The SA wheels are the starburst type, and fit great. I dont think spacers are necessary.
-steve

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Warren Chapman" <tallsound@...>
Reply-To: subaruvanagon@...
To: subaruvanagon@...
Subject: [subaruvanagon] Re: Now.! .....Bigger tires for my Syncro!
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:19:05 -0000

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Steve Coseo" <roadcamp@h...> wrote:

I ran 235/75/15 on my SA 15 inch wheels on my syncro.
Looked great, rode great, ate up snow, but they were
TOO BIG.
why? they rubbed ....

Steve,

Like, Derek, I would like to know where (and when) they rubbed. We
are both (I think) considering the purchase of a set of 15" SA wheels
with 30mm offset.

I'm assuming your SA wheels have the standard 30mm offset. Is that
true?? I'm trying to determine if the wheel WOULDN'T rub if the
offset of the wheel were less ...say ET23... or with use of some
spacers on the SA wheels to increase the offset.

WHERE??
1. Did they rub the trailing arms in the rear?

2. Did they rub the stearing knuckles or shock towers in front?

3. Did they rub the battery box when turned to the limit?

4. Other places??

WHEN??

1. Did they rub when turning?

2. Did they rub when going over bumps (limit of suspension travel).

3. Other times??




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They rubbed on the front wheel opening at the bottom rear, where the small plastic wheel flares are. Just barely, and not noticable until you put the vans front suspension under compression with either a hard brake while turning or driving up a steep driveway quickly. Just BARELY too wide I think.
-steve


----Original Message Follows----
From: Derek Drew <derekdrew@...>
Reply-To: subaruvanagon@...
To: subaruvanagon@...
CC: syncro@...
Subject: RE: [subaruvanagon] Now.! .....Bigger tires for my Syncro!
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:07:11 -0500

At 11:06 PM 1/14/01 -0800, you wrote:

I ran 235/75/15 on my SA 15 inch wheels on my syncro.
Looked great, rode great, ate up snow, but they were
TOO BIG.
why? they rubbed even though the tire guy assured me they wouldnt and even
though the syncro.org website said they would fit ( I checked the site
before I bought them)

WHERE did they rub?

One reason I went to that size was the fact that they were commercial

grade

tires witha 2000 lb load limit, and that they were 56 bucks each at Sams
Club (warehouse style store akin to a Costco)
I sold the tires and put the SA rims on my 88 Sooby van.
Im not going to install some Audi Turbo 15 inch rims on my Syncro and go
with a smaller tire.
They also slowed down my van (its a westy) at highway speeds and made it
real tough to swing my butt onto the seat holding my ever present cuppa

joe.

The diameter was about 28 inches as I recall.
For pics of the van just check out ep.com, and browse washington state for
vans.
ps. warren, how much you AXIN for your 89?
-steve
seattle, wa


----Original Message Follows----
From: "David Marshall" <VANAGON@...>
Reply-To: subaruvanagon@...
To: <subaruvanagon@...>
Subject: RE: [subaruvanagon] Now.! .....Bigger tires for my Syncro!
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:20:22 -0800

Warren and the rest of the list,
I am using 225/60-16s on my stock VW wheels which are 5.5x16 ET34 on my

1988

Syncro Double Cab. These tires are 26.6" tall if you calculate things out
and are basically identical in size to 27x8.5LT14 tire that is pretty
commonly found out there. I have no tire rubbing issues at all with these
tires installed.

The 235/75-15 is 28.8" tall which is a little more than 2" taller than

what

is installed on my Syncro. I personally think this is the absolute limit

or

maybe even over the limit for the Syncro. I have test fitted 205/80-16
(28.9") on my Syncro and I would not want to land hard on the front with
fear of rubbing - also on the rear it is VERY close to the trailing arm -

if

you go thru some gumbo it will get very messy back there in a hurry.

There is also no real hope of getting the 29" tall tires to fit up front

in

the spare tire well. My 26.6" *just* fit with a special adapter to hold

the

trap door shut - now I mount it behind the cab of my Syncro.

If I was going to keep my Syncro (it is forsale by the way) I would be
installing some BFG-ATs this summer in 215/70-16 (27.8") which is about as
big as I would want to try without the Syncro 16" fender flairs and rear
trailing arms.


David Marshall

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-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Chapman [mailto:tallsound@...]
Sent: January 14, 2001 6:36 PM
To: subaruvanagon@...
Subject: [subaruvanagon] Now.! .....Bigger tires for my Syncro!




(This is a copy of a post I put on the Syncro list...maybe someone in
our group knows the answer.)

Now that I've got enough power to drive them, I want to install
bigger tires on my Syncro.

There has been a lot of talk recently (on the Syncro list and
Vanagon.com) about the South African 15" wheels with 30mm
offset.......

I want to use a 235/75-15 size tire. Does anyone know if you can
use this tire with the SA rim or are you limited to 225 size.

Is 235 width OK on a 6.5" wide rim or does this size need 7" ?

Will 235 tire and 30 mm offset rub suspension parts??

Is "grinding, cutting, etc" required to fit this size tire in the 14"
Syncro wheel well.

Thanks for responding

Warren Chapman
'90 Syncro Westy (Subaru powered)
'89 Syncro Westy (FOR SALE,80K miles)


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Hobert does not have a wife. We are working on cutting down the labor time
of the oil pan. We have about 10 here already that we are committed to do.
I will post a message when we are ready to accept more cores for conversion.
There are 3 "prototypes" out there - Ron Bloomquist in one of them. They
are looking good, we just have to get a system going so they are not so time
consuming, we are doing them "in house" as the local welding shop took 5
hours and did not do the job right. (Sigh).

Susan
Kennedy Engineered Products
38830 17th St. East
Palmdale, CA 93550

(661) 272-1147

thinking about it.. 1970 porsche 911E. instead of that $2000 set
of pistons/cyl could probly have a decent sub conversion.. anyone
done this. was thinking about t1 vw but believe water cooled would
be the way to go. if i cant/dont get 911 engine motor cheap than i
will be doing this. anyone done this or other conversion to 911.
trans is a 901. 1st post, any advice drawbacks appreciated thanks
in advance looks like great board read last 3 months..
off to look for suburu at oside ecology wrecking.. bruce

At 10:04 AM 1/15/2001, psheridans@... wrote:

Hi All,
I have removed my gas tank for repairs, and was wondering about all
those
hose and tanks, and if they are really needed. It seems that all
this might
not really be needed.

As has been pointed out, VW didn't put that stuff in there just because they had a slow day on their hands...the system has three purposes: to allow expansion space for the fuel, to pass fuel vapors back to the charcoal canister, and to spit fuel up into the filler neck to shut off the nozzle before the tank overflows. To accomplish this when the vehicle is tilted (from side to side for the nozzle, and in both axes for the expansion and venting) the expansion/vent system has connections at all four corners of the tank, and the regurgitation system is connected to both sides of the front.

All of it is necessary and could not be done away with without completely changing the design of the tank itself, probably reducing its capacity greatly.

david


David Beierl - dbeierl@...

According to Ron's diagram of the big gray plug (16 spaces with 12
wires) the engine side has two yellow wires to the injectors, are
these wires interchangeable? All the injectors have a yellow wire and
they all "ohm out" to both wires. If so, why do they use two wires?
Same questions for the two yellow/red wires to the ignitor.

Thanks again to Ron for the pics and to Warren, Ed, Darrell et al. for
all the info so far.

Bill

Mark,

Ed is right. It behooves you to get all the hoses in the right place.
Besides gas leaking out you can end up with water leaking in, big
pain in the neck too.

I found that you can get to them (blindly)from the front, in between
the spare tire and the tank. If it's going to be out for a bit, order
all new grommets and hoses... and take you time to make sure they are
installed correctly so you don't have to lay in a puddle at night in
the rain by the side of the highway. :-) (like i did!)

Good luck.

Bill

--- In subaruvanagon@..., psheridans@n... wrote:

Hi All,
I have removed my gas tank for repairs, and was wondering about

all

those
hose and tanks, and if they are really needed. It seems that all
this might
not really be needed.
Has any one removed all those tanks and hoses, and not had any
problems with
fuel deliver, or passing the smog check?
TIA
Mark K.

Hobert,
Spoke with your wife the other day. She mentioned some difficulties your were having with the shortened oil pans. Any idea when they might become available? Checked out Roadcows web page. The one he has looked great.
-steve
seattle, wa


----Original Message Follows----
From: "KEP" <kennedy@...>
Reply-To: subaruvanagon@...
To: <subaruvanagon@...>
Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Failed emissions inspection!
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:31:58 -0800

The reason we tested so many catalytic converters while putting together our
kits is the fact that the original Subaru engine has two catalytic
converters. The NOx has always been a problem. Our CARB exemption is not
valid without our catalytic converter, you would not have been allowed to
run the test in California and it would have failed by a very large margin.

Kennedy Engineered Products
38830 17th St. East
Palmdale, CA 93550

(661) 272-1147

Brian,
You may be right. I gave them a quick measure. Miss the ride, and like
I said they were great in snow.
The worst part though was just how hard it was to get into the van.
By the way, I ordered a turbo max muffler. Thanks to all the guys who gave me advice (R. Lilley, Leon K, etc)
Keep us posted on the SVX project..
-steve

----Original Message Follows----
From: "Brian Steel" <Brian@...>
Reply-To: subaruvanagon@...
To: subaruvanagon@...
Subject: [subaruvanagon] Re: Now.! .....Bigger tires for my Syncro!
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:47:20 -0000

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Steve Coseo" <roadcamp@h...> wrote:

I ran 235/75/15 on my SA 15 inch wheels on my syncro.
Looked great, rode great, ate up snow, but they were
TOO BIG.
why? they rubbed even though the tire guy assured me they wouldnt

and even
snip

The diameter was about 28 inches as I recall.

Steve,
Two charts I have say the 235/75/15's are about 29" tall. That would
be consistant then with a maximum allowable of 28-28 1/2" or so.

Brian
www.smallcar.com
Vanagon VX to start up soon.



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--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Steve Coseo" <roadcamp@h...> wrote:

I ran 235/75/15 on my SA 15 inch wheels on my syncro.
Looked great, rode great, ate up snow, but they were
TOO BIG.
why? they rubbed ....

Steve,

Like, Derek, I would like to know where (and when) they rubbed. We
are both (I think) considering the purchase of a set of 15" SA wheels
with 30mm offset.

I'm assuming your SA wheels have the standard 30mm offset. Is that
true?? I'm trying to determine if the wheel WOULDN'T rub if the
offset of the wheel were less ...say ET23... or with use of some
spacers on the SA wheels to increase the offset.

WHERE??
1. Did they rub the trailing arms in the rear?

2. Did they rub the stearing knuckles or shock towers in front?

3. Did they rub the battery box when turned to the limit?

4. Other places??

WHEN??

1. Did they rub when turning?

2. Did they rub when going over bumps (limit of suspension travel).

3. Other times??

The reason we tested so many catalytic converters while putting together our
kits is the fact that the original Subaru engine has two catalytic
converters. The NOx has always been a problem. Our CARB exemption is not
valid without our catalytic converter, you would not have been allowed to
run the test in California and it would have failed by a very large margin.

Kennedy Engineered Products
38830 17th St. East
Palmdale, CA 93550

(661) 272-1147

Mess with the engineered design and you will end up with more trouble
than you need right now.

Be sure the grommets going into the tank are in good shape or you may
end up with large gas puddles on the ground when you refill. Ken Wilfy
at Van-Again sells a kit to replace all the hoses. Ron Bloomquist and I
have both had problems with hoses and grommets after about 130,000
miles. Could be a good time for you to replace all the hoses. The vw
braided hoses begin to weep raw gas all the way up to the expansion
tanks under the front seats.

psheridans@... wrote:

Get a good wiring diagram and be sure that you account for all the
circuits on the diagram.

resourcer@... wrote:

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Steve Coseo" <roadcamp@h...> wrote:

I ran 235/75/15 on my SA 15 inch wheels on my syncro.
Looked great, rode great, ate up snow, but they were
TOO BIG.
why? they rubbed even though the tire guy assured me they wouldnt

and even
snip

The diameter was about 28 inches as I recall.

Steve,
Two charts I have say the 235/75/15's are about 29" tall. That would
be consistant then with a maximum allowable of 28-28 1/2" or so.

Brian
www.smallcar.com
Vanagon VX to start up soon.