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Subaru Torque
Tim King
Hi -- guess I'll stop lurking and contribute a _tiny_ bit. I was able to
find the following on the net, it doesn't really help with the question of low speed torque, but maybe it will help if we get to the point of comparing apples and oranges ;-) I just noticed KEP has some of this on their site, too, but maybe this will be helpful for folks lacking web access. Subaru 2.2 (thru 94) 130 HP@5600 137 ft/lbs Torque @4400 Subaru 2.2 (95) 135 HP@5400 143 ft/lbs @ 4400 This compares to some VW numbers I got from David Marshall's always excellent volkswagen.org site: 1.9 wasserboxer 82 HP @ 4800 rpm 105 torque at 2600 rpm 2.1 Wasser 90 HP @ 4800 117 torque @3200 2.1 wasser (87-88) 90 HP @ 5500 117 torque @3200 2.0 L 8V Golf Motor (93-98) 115 HP @ 5400 135 torque @ 3200 1.9L TDi 90 HP@4000 149 torque @ 1900 BTW, there's some interesting subaru enthusiast sites out there: (subaru archives) 1990-94 Legacy scoop: including a sub link to maintenance schedules: Tim King Seattle WA 87 Syncro Westy Wasserboxer (for now... anyone got any sump solutions?) |
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Re: Water pressure gauge
The idea of buzzers to draw attention to urgent happenings within the
engine etc is great; I have considered fitting one to my oilpressure system. Even a superbright LED might well not be noticed during daytime, if you're not looking. A waterpressure sensor/buzzer would not be a bad idea in a vehicle with such lengths of hoses and pipes. Lots of potential for leaks or bursts there! You can't do TOO much thinking on this subject. That's partly what these lists are so good for; the exchange of ideas. Andrew Grebneff Dunedin New Zealand Molluscophile 69 VW Kombi-Corvair 75 VW Kombi (ex Toyota 3.5 V8) 84 VW T3 Caravelle GL/SVX 85 Mitsubishi Sigma Super Saloon 2.0 86 Toyota Corolla DX 1.8 diesel 89 Toyota Corona Select 2.0 diesel |
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Re: Subaru Torque
John P
Thanks for the info Larry.
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From: Larry Hamm <LDHAMM@...> To: <subaruvanagon@...> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Re: Subaru Torque John P wrote:I will ask the question again since the silence has been |
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Re: Subaru Torque
Tom Myers
John P wrote:I too wonder why it's so quiet. I feel like the tree that fell in the woods.I will ask the question again since the silence has been> the Subaru 2.2 engine conversion as compared to the VW 2.1 WBX ?. I repeat that it's a noticeable increase right off idle. Backing up my steep driveway at 850 RPM it's noticeably torquier than the WBX. If anyone can send me torque curves for Subaru and WBX that would be great. Anyone have back issues of Car and Drivel? I'll scan and publish them on my Urabus site () Tom -- +------------------------------------+ | CycoActive Products tel (206) 323-2349 | 701 34th Ave fax (206) 325-6016 | Seattle, WA 98122 USA | webpage: | e-mail: TomMyers@... +------------------------------------+ |
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Re: Subaru Torque
Larry Hamm
John P wrote:
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Re: Subaru Torque
John P
开云体育I will ask the question again since the silence has
been overwhelming.
Is there an improvement in low speed (rpm) torque
with the Subaru 2.2 engine conversion as compared to the VW 2.1 WBX
?.
There MUST be someone on this list that can answer
this.
Regards
John.
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Re: Engine transplant, oil
KEP
Low mileage 8 year old engines rare hard to find, but look some more. If no
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luck, go ahead with the 90K. It is not half worn, and if necessary it can be replaced with a used Jap import engine. The 90K engine will provide the wiring etc that you cannot get with the used import engines. I do not know yet how well your 90K wiring will work on '95+ or 2.5 L engines. Hobert Kennedy Kennedy Engineered Products 38830 17th St. East Palmdale, CA 93550 (661) 272-1147 ----- Original Message -----
From: Marshall Ruskin <MRUSKIN@...> To: <subaruvanagon@...> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] Engine transplant, oil A local yard has a Subaru Legacy FS with 130,000 KM, maybe 90,000 miles.the capablewiring if you like that work. Allow another three full days for radiatorand haveof reving high enough to cruise at 70+ mph? whatused only synthetic oil. First Amsoil, than Mobil 1 and now Castrol my local VW dealer recomends. |
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Re: Subie Transplant Kit, starter question
KEP
The '85 starter will usually work but has no reserve. The '86 is rated 0.9
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instead of 0.8 PS and is just enough stronger to get the job done and will fit. The gear reduction starter is rated abuot 1.5 PS. Hobert Kennedy Kennedy Engineered Products 38830 17th St. East Palmdale, CA 93550 (661) 272-1147 ----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Bryson <patrick@...> To: <subaruvanagon@...> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 10:00 AM Subject: [subaruvanagon] Subie Transplant Kit, starter question Hello All,for a deal. Anyone know of one?my '85 Vanagon when i put in the 2.2 without buying from Hobert? Can i just |
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Re: Water Pressure Gage?
KEP
A simple pressure gage would show the engine had warmed up to the 15 PSI it
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should operate at. A differential pressure gage would show a pressure drop but that is no indication that the water is flowing. A flow meter would work but not worth the expense and effort. I recommend an aftermarket temperature gage connected near the outlet of the engine, and enough presence of mind to notice the red light, then read the gage and if necessary go to the nearest gas station or source of water. It can go a few gentle miles without damage when low on water. Subaru engines are cheap to replace compared to a Waserboxer. Hobert Kennedy Kennedy Engineered Products 38830 17th St. East Palmdale, CA 93550 (661) 272-1147 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ed McKinley <edmc@...> To: <subaruvanagon@...> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 2:14 PM Subject: [subaruvanagon] Water Pressure Gage? A brain is a terrible thing to be left on its own without supervision. |
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Re: HELP! Need Subaru Tech: (Still have wrong harness.)
KEP
We have not found a difference in the '90-94 computers except part numbers.
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Since you have stripped down one harness, take it to a wrecking yard and find an engine harness that will plug to it, and try to buy just the little harness that is on the engine. You may need to loosen the intake manifold bolts to get the harness off the engine. Hobert Kennedy Kennedy Engineered Products 38830 17th St. East Palmdale, CA 93550 (661) 272-1147 ----- Original Message -----
From: Warren Chapman <tallsound@...> To: <subaruvanagon@...> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 12:52 PM Subject: [subaruvanagon] HELP! Need Subaru Tech: (Still have wrong harness.) For prospective converters, |
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Re: Subaru camshaft issue -- rust -- what do I do
KEP
Sorry, I have no experience to help you with one this problem.
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Hobert Kennedy Kennedy Engineered Products 38830 17th St. East Palmdale, CA 93550 (661) 272-1147 ----- Original Message -----
From: John Mates <JMATES@...> To: <jmates@...>; <subaruvanagon@...> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 8:55 AM Subject: [subaruvanagon] Subaru camshaft issue -- rust -- what do I do
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Re: HELP! Need Subaru Tech: (Still have wrong harness.)
Jay Gardner
Warren,
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yes there are differences and the Subaru techs have a book that details which computer will run with which air box etc. they will all plug in as normal I believe but not run properly you need the # off the comp. The wrecking yard you are using seems to be consistently reassuring people that A. we do these all the time b. have more experience in it c. and then sending the wrong parts out of different cars I know that was my experience as well as Rev. Brian in Orinda They are carrying on the tradition with yours. There is a subaru guru at a Bay area dealership and he is up on all this. Call me and I'll get you the number for Subaru Guru Jay 1985 Vubaru (farphrumleakin) ----- Original Message -----
From: Warren Chapman <tallsound@...> To: <subaruvanagon@...> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 12:52 PM Subject: [subaruvanagon] HELP! Need Subaru Tech: (Still have wrong harness.) For prospective converters, |
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89 Syncro 13,000 miles since conversion
Hello everyone
I am a new member to this group and was delighted to see something on this subject on the net. I have put 13,000 miles on my 89 Syncro Camper since the Kennedy conversion and would be happy to describe my experience with the conversion and give advice, exspecially to the fello Syncro owners. I have lots of experience with vibrating drive shafts also. Any way, I am going to finish typing and start checking out this site. Hope to hear from you; Richard |
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To Warren,
Ed McKinley
Warren, It appears that you are relatively close to Ron's and my
vanagon loctaions in Mendocino county. You might want to make a trip up here before you install your engine to see what it looks like. I expect to complete my swap by the middle of June. Alternatively, if I successfully complete mine in time for my daughter's college graduation ceremony my van will be in Alemeda the weekend of June 17. Could possibly meet you in Marin county on our way down on Friday afternoon the 16th. As noted by the Meyers brothers, it is very handy to see what the end product will look like. |
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Re: HELP! Need Subaru Tech: (Still have wrong harness.)
Ed McKinley
Hobert will tell you (and did in the instructions) that the automatic subaru
harness is ok.? Most Subarus are automatic.? My wrecking yard
sent everything!? It included an additional controller box for the
a/t.? Following Hobert's culling instructions will leave you with
what you need and the remainder makes for impressive photos that will make
people think that you are both crazy and an electrical genius.
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Wire colors could likely be different.? Both mine and Ron Bloomguist's harness had some wires with different colors and even had one or two wires going to different computer terminals than shown in Hobert's list. We even had some wire color differences between our harnesses and they are both 1991's. The wiring diagram, once again, saved the day. I will defer on the matching computer questions because I don't know.? You can ask the Subaru parts department what computer numbers are interchangeable. This problem surley won't require an entirely new set. Keep your engine or your wrecking yard will never talk to you again!. When you find out what year the harness is I suggest getting wiring diagrams for both the engine and harness, if different years, and sort it out.? The computer should govern because it needs the right wires in the correct slots.? In theory you could build your own harness from scratch by following the wiring diagram that goes with the computer. Splicing new engine plugs should not be a problem if you can get the plugs that match your engine.? You have to splice to shorten all the wires going to the plugs anyway so no big deal.? But you will have to, in the case of harness and engines from different vehicles,? trace the wires from your engine plug to where they go on the engine to make sure the corresponding wire on the harness plug matches in function. Ron Bloomquist traced all his engine plug wires to there sources on his engine while solving what turned out to be a minor problem.? He took a lot of time with this and made diagrams.?? When I did my harness, all my harness plug pins matched in function with Ron's drawings so I didn't trace the wires to the engine terminuses (if that is a real word). Good luck... It will work out! Warren Chapman wrote: For prospective converters, |
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Water Pressure Gage?
Ed McKinley
A brain is a terrible thing to be left on its own without supervision.
I've been thinking again and have a question for Hobert and others. What about installing a water pressure gage in the copper radiator pipes that will turn on a red light and, better yet, sound a buzzer at loss of water pressure that I assume would accompany a burst water hose? Are there gages sensitive to as low as 5lbs plus/minus? Would steam production from the overheating engine create enough pressure to defeat this system? I have thought about this through the years because I heard so many stories about vanagon engines destroyed by loss of water. Last few years, however, I stopped thinking about it because I have now driven my van over 100k miles (174k total) without any water problems and that includes repaired heads (pitted heads filled). Only recently has compression dropped below 100 in two cylinders. I replaced most my hoses at 110k and am replacing all the heater hoses this time (Thanks to Ken Wilford of Van-Again). So maybe this is, once again, redundant behavior. In my 1970 bus I spliced the oil pressure light into the door buzzer alarm. I was rewarded the day an oil pressure galley plug blew out and left a 2.5 quart trail of oil as my wife pulled over to the side of the road. I think the engine might have gotten cooked if the buzzer didn't sound. I'm not sure how quickly a driver would notice a red light on a sunny day. Too much thinking? |
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HELP! Need Subaru Tech: (Still have wrong harness.)
Warren Chapman
For prospective converters,
ONCE AGAIN, just can't stress enough the value of BEING SURE you can verify that all the required items are from the same vehicle: OTHERWISE KEEP LOOKING UNTIL YOU DO!! I bought my parts from a reputable and knowledgable salvage yard that stated they were very familiar with this conversion. Well... so far they've sent me two separate harnesses. The first one took me a few hours to figure out that it was wrong one. I found out later that not only was it the wrong one, but that only half of the harness was sent (there are two sections which connect together.) The second one came two weeks later, and I spent a whole week stripping and matching wires only to find out that the two main large (grey) plugs which connect to the harness on the engine do not match. Now what?? What else might not match?? Since the harness doesn't match the engine, is it possible that the computer might not either. To avoid future problems, should I start over from scratch with a whole new set (engine, harness, computer).... this time certain to come from the same vehicle. Can't proceed until I get some answers. Does anyone out there know: 1. Is there is any difference in computers from 90-94. 2. Do auto and manual shift cars have the same computer?? Is there a chance for a mismatch? 3. If neither 1. and 2. above matter, perhaps I can just get the correct plugs to match my engine and splice them in. Appreciate any feedback. Anyone know a good Subaru tech who could answer these questions. Warren C. |
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Subaru camshaft issue -- rust -- what do I do
John Mates
Hi!
I've been slowing doing a Subaru/Kennedy conversion to my Vanagon Syncro. I've run into a worrisome problem... I decided to replace the timing belt and the camshaft oil seals and the front and rear main seals before running my 1994 Legacy 2.2 engine in the Vanagon. I also obeyed the Subaru manual to check the hydraulic lift adjusters after replacing the timing belt, etc. So I did ... ALL the adjusters had air in them. Every last one of them (16). So I learned how to get the air out. But, in the process I noticed two unpleasant things about my right side camshaft. One of the lobes was "pitted" slightly, right at the peak (minimum radius of curvature). I decided that short of replacing the camshaft, there was nothing I could do about this. The second issue was that there was RUST on all of the cam surfaces. I used a brass brush and all of it came off pretty nicely, EXCEPT from one lobe. This lobe remains scratchy and bumpy to a fingernail rubbed across it... I reassembled everything, but now I wonder if I shouldn't open up the valve cover on the right side again and rub that lobe with some fine emery cloth or something to at least make it smooth. To replace the camshaft and this animal, you must remove the whole head. I don't want to do that. Please send me your best advice, even if it will be hard for me to hear! John jmates@... |
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