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Re: Where to get parts for South Bend Lathes
I replaced my belt by raising motor to smallest height, wrapping string around the pulleys and marking across the doubled area w a sharpie. Then I cut my old stretched belt to length, drilled small holes for thread, passed it under the lower pulley and stitched it right there over the upper pulley with the speedy stitcher, pulling tight as I went according to the hand drawing sent earlier in the thread. Voila, back in business, in a half hour and no dollars. Thicker thread might have been nice but doesn¡¯t seem to have been a problem so far. I suppose I could have doubled the thread through the needle. Just don¡¯t put the holes too close to the edge.
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On Apr 14, 2023, at 4:34 PM, Bill in OKC too via < wmrmeyers@...> wrote:
Best way I know of to figure that out is to adjust wrap some rope or twine about the thickness of your belt material around the shafts/pulleys three or four times. Pin or clamp the ends so they don't shift after you give it all the slack your adjuster will allow. Then wrap a soft tape measure, like the seamstress/tailor will use, and measure the circumference. That will give you very close to the smallest length you could possibly need, and allow all the adjustment available for the belt stretching in use. If you can't find/don't have a soft tape measure, cut the string, and use one of the inner coils to measure against a normal steel-tape or yard/meter stick. Haven't done this to my lathe yet, since it's not that close to being together yet, but it works fine on the industrial laundry machines I used to work on that use flat belt. One of the belts was a 120' woven wire belt, which was some fun to get measured, cut, and the ends spliced. ;) The smaller belts that vacuumed lint of the mats were a bit under a yard long, and we used the crimp-type alligator splices on those.?
A skinny steel-tape might work, depending on radius of the pulleys/shafts. One that will flex easily in either direction.?
HTH!
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 06:16:40 PM CDT, Patricia Lance via < plance111@...> wrote:
I have looked at the belts I measured the old one hard to get a true measurement. The old one was? 59 3/4 length ? but it was stretched out. My adjustment was at the longest setting. The old one is 1/4 inch thick the new leather is 1/8. If I order one 2 inches shorter would that be right? Hate to just guess and not be right. Stamped numbers at the tail stock is CL8187RB on the plate on head is 210 46 R.?
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 01:02:38 PM EDT, Rick < vwrick@...> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 12:00 PM, Bill in OKC too wrote:
I've got a Heavy 10L restoration project sitting here on hold for other reasons, but I tripped over this source of custom belts for SB lathes on a link from another forum and totally different subject. These may be the folks who sell on ebay, but I don't know for sure. They also mention Atlas lathes. I've not seen an Atlas that uses flat belts, but not by any means an Atlas expert, either. HTH!
Bill in OKC
Those are the same as they sell on eBay. I have one on my SB13. I think they are excellent.?
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Re: Where to get parts for South Bend Lathes
Best way I know of to figure that out is to adjust wrap some rope or twine about the thickness of your belt material around the shafts/pulleys three or four times. Pin or clamp the ends so they don't shift after you give it all the slack your adjuster will allow. Then wrap a soft tape measure, like the seamstress/tailor will use, and measure the circumference. That will give you very close to the smallest length you could possibly need, and allow all the adjustment available for the belt stretching in use. If you can't find/don't have a soft tape measure, cut the string, and use one of the inner coils to measure against a normal steel-tape or yard/meter stick. Haven't done this to my lathe yet, since it's not that close to being together yet, but it works fine on the industrial laundry machines I used to work on that use flat belt. One of the belts was a 120' woven wire belt, which was some fun to get measured, cut, and the ends spliced. ;) The smaller belts that vacuumed lint of the mats were a bit under a yard long, and we used the crimp-type alligator splices on those.?
A skinny steel-tape might work, depending on radius of the pulleys/shafts. One that will flex easily in either direction.?
HTH!
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 06:16:40 PM CDT, Patricia Lance via groups.io <plance111@...> wrote:
I have looked at the belts I measured the old one hard to get a true measurement. The old one was? 59 3/4 length ? but it was stretched out. My adjustment was at the longest setting. The old one is 1/4 inch thick the new leather is 1/8. If I order one 2 inches shorter would that be right? Hate to just guess and not be right. Stamped numbers at the tail stock is CL8187RB on the plate on head is 210 46 R.?
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 01:02:38 PM EDT, Rick <vwrick@...> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 12:00 PM, Bill in OKC too wrote:
I've got a Heavy 10L restoration project sitting here on hold for other reasons, but I tripped over this source of custom belts for SB lathes on a link from another forum and totally different subject. These may be the folks who sell on ebay, but I don't know for sure. They also mention Atlas lathes. I've not seen an Atlas that uses flat belts, but not by any means an Atlas expert, either. HTH!
Bill in OKC
Those are the same as they sell on eBay. I have one on my SB13. I think they are excellent.?
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Years ago I server my apprentice at Modern Collect division of Buck Chuck In Oglesby Illinois.
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 01:30:29 PM EDT, piper184 <stuart@...> wrote:
The old 3 jaw chuck on my SB10K started jamming up. Even when backing
out the jaws. Thought it was just swarf but couldn't get it running
right even after cleaning. Time to tear it apart for "deep cleaning".
Then I noticed the pinion was broken out at all four corners. It was
pretty worn when I got it a year ago but it finally broke.
The chuck is likely a 1970's vintage as is the lathe and well, no longer
supported by Buck.
Internet searches and inquires turned up Kalamazoo Chuck Manufacturing
which still makes parts for and supports the older Buck Chucks, and
probably more.
The nice lady (Dawn) at the other end of the computer was really helpful
and got me set up with a new pinion and chuck key. I probably didn't
need the key but was so grateful for the support I bought a new one
anyway. The outside jaws were missing from this lathe when I bought it
and Dawn said they can even make me a new set of jaws and gave me a
price. All the prices seem high at the onset, but when you think about
what it takes to make these parts it really isn't that bad. Especially
compared to tossing the chuck and buying a new one.
Cleaned, lubed and reassembled the chuck is once again smooth as silk.
Since it is the acu-tru it was easy to dial back in. Now running with
half a thou indicated with repeatability of about .001". I'll take that
any day for an old machine for a rank amature like me to play with!
I have no connection with KCM except as a happy customer.
Hopefully this will help someone else with an orphan Buck Chuck.
Stuart
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Re: Where to get parts for South Bend Lathes
I have looked at the belts I measured the old one hard to get a true measurement. The old one was? 59 3/4 length ? but it was stretched out. My adjustment was at the longest setting. The old one is 1/4 inch thick the new leather is 1/8. If I order one 2 inches shorter would that be right? Hate to just guess and not be right. Stamped numbers at the tail stock is CL8187RB on the plate on head is 210 46 R.?
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 01:02:38 PM EDT, Rick <vwrick@...> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 12:00 PM, Bill in OKC too wrote:
I've got a Heavy 10L restoration project sitting here on hold for other reasons, but I tripped over this source of custom belts for SB lathes on a link from another forum and totally different subject. These may be the folks who sell on ebay, but I don't know for sure. They also mention Atlas lathes. I've not seen an Atlas that uses flat belts, but not by any means an Atlas expert, either. HTH!
Bill in OKC
Those are the same as they sell on eBay. I have one on my SB13. I think they are excellent.?
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Re: Where to get parts for South Bend Lathes
Good to know! One of these days, I WILL get to work on my Heavy 10L again, and was trying to work buying one in working condition, but the gentleman is apparently tied up with something else. Close enough to local I could have gone to look at it, anyway. Still want to. Considering I've been sick, and out of touch a bit myself, I think I'll forgive him, anyway. ;)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 12:02:37 PM CDT, Rick <vwrick@...> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 12:00 PM, Bill in OKC too wrote:
I've got a Heavy 10L restoration project sitting here on hold for other reasons, but I tripped over this source of custom belts for SB lathes on a link from another forum and totally different subject. These may be the folks who sell on ebay, but I don't know for sure. They also mention Atlas lathes. I've not seen an Atlas that uses flat belts, but not by any means an Atlas expert, either. HTH!
Bill in OKC
Those are the same as they sell on eBay. I have one on my SB13. I think they are excellent.?
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The old 3 jaw chuck on my SB10K started jamming up. Even when backing out the jaws. Thought it was just swarf but couldn't get it running right even after cleaning. Time to tear it apart for "deep cleaning".
Then I noticed the pinion was broken out at all four corners. It was pretty worn when I got it a year ago but it finally broke.
The chuck is likely a 1970's vintage as is the lathe and well, no longer supported by Buck.
Internet searches and inquires turned up Kalamazoo Chuck Manufacturing which still makes parts for and supports the older Buck Chucks, and probably more.
The nice lady (Dawn) at the other end of the computer was really helpful and got me set up with a new pinion and chuck key. I probably didn't need the key but was so grateful for the support I bought a new one anyway. The outside jaws were missing from this lathe when I bought it and Dawn said they can even make me a new set of jaws and gave me a price. All the prices seem high at the onset, but when you think about what it takes to make these parts it really isn't that bad. Especially compared to tossing the chuck and buying a new one.
Cleaned, lubed and reassembled the chuck is once again smooth as silk. Since it is the acu-tru it was easy to dial back in. Now running with half a thou indicated with repeatability of about .001". I'll take that any day for an old machine for a rank amature like me to play with!
I have no connection with KCM except as a happy customer.
Hopefully this will help someone else with an orphan Buck Chuck.
Stuart
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Re: Where to get parts for South Bend Lathes
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 12:00 PM, Bill in OKC too wrote:
I've got a Heavy 10L restoration project sitting here on hold for other reasons, but I tripped over this source of custom belts for SB lathes on a link from another forum and totally different subject. These may be the folks who sell on ebay, but I don't know for sure. They also mention Atlas lathes. I've not seen an Atlas that uses flat belts, but not by any means an Atlas expert, either. HTH!
Bill in OKC
Those are the same as they sell on eBay. I have one on my SB13. I think they are excellent.?
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Re: Where to get parts for South Bend Lathes
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Re: Where to get parts for South Bend Lathes
??? ??? Look up commercial belting online for your area or a
phone book if you still have one . I went & bought a 1" belt (
for pants ) at Tandy leather & found a belting co? that I took
it to to get laced up . The guy laced my belt & also sold me a
rubber composite belt for $ 10.00 & he laced it for me . That
was many many years back & the Tandy belt is still hanging on
my tool box .
If you want to get a good measurement steal you wife's sewing
tape measure of go buy your own . You can very easily wrap the
tape around both pulleys to get your measurement .? The should be
some kind of tension adjustment on your lathe , look in the fines
section of look on Steve Wells website . I think Swells.com ?
??? ??? animal
On 4/13/2023 3:45 PM, piper184 wrote:
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Why not just measure your broken belt and subtract about 1/3rd
of the range of adjustment?
Is this a horizontal drive or an underneath drive? Horizontal
drive units can have the jackshaft mounted at different
distances from the head stock, so a belt that fits my lathe may
not fit yours.
Is it a 10K or a 10L?
You can buy belts that you splice together on the lathe so that
you don't have to remove the spindle from the head stock to
install it.
You can get belts that are leather and you can cut them to
length before you splice them so that you get an exact fit.\
Do a search for South Bend lathe belts and you will see a lot
of options that are available.
On 4/13/23 17:01, plance111 via
groups.io wrote:
I have a South Bend 10 my belt broke it's a 1 inch. I don't know
what length of new belt I need to order.
My belt adjustment was at it's longest setting.?
I know it it stretch hard to determine what the length should
be.
Do you know what length I need?
plance111@...
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Re: Where to get parts for South Bend Lathes
Why not just measure your broken belt and subtract about 1/3rd of
the range of adjustment?
Is this a horizontal drive or an underneath drive? Horizontal
drive units can have the jackshaft mounted at different distances
from the head stock, so a belt that fits my lathe may not fit
yours.
Is it a 10K or a 10L?
You can buy belts that you splice together on the lathe so that
you don't have to remove the spindle from the head stock to
install it.
You can get belts that are leather and you can cut them to length
before you splice them so that you get an exact fit.\
Do a search for South Bend lathe belts and you will see a lot of
options that are available.
On 4/13/23 17:01, plance111 via
groups.io wrote:
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I have a South Bend 10 my belt broke it's a 1 inch. I don't know
what length of new belt I need to order.
My belt adjustment was at it's longest setting.?
I know it it stretch hard to determine what the length should be.
Do you know what length I need?
plance111@...
Thanks
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Re: Where to get parts for South Bend Lathes
I have a South Bend 10 my belt broke it's a 1 inch. I don't know what length of new belt I need to order. My belt adjustment was at it's longest setting.? I know it it stretch hard to determine what the length should be. Do you know what length I need? plance111@...Thanks
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Re: Where to get parts for South Bend Lathes
Do you know the exact length of the drive belt? My belt broke I know it was stretched.?
1 inch wide.?
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Re: restauration sanches blanes
Hi Regis,
I think you mean to disassembly the headstock/spindle.
Looking at the pictures, your lathe is a South Bend 9" model "C" brazilian clone, made by Sanches Blanes Company.
There are few videos... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUujw7JLIFQ e https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1agcVkQ63U
I strongly recomend you to buy a restoration manual (like this:https://www.ebay.com/itm/152597311432). It should help.
Good luck in the restoration!!
Mario
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Re: restauration sanches blanes
They're in a separate message, /g/Southbendmanual/message/24
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 06:32:36 PM CST, davesmith1800 <davesmith1@...> wrote:
I could not find the photo
Dave?
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Re: restauration sanches blanes
I could not find the photo
Dave?
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Re: restauration sanches blanes
I'm not sure what you mean by "lathe tree." Can you tell us which photo has what you're calling the lathe tree? Mi espanol is muy malo.
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Wednesday, January 12, 2022, 05:35:46 PM CST, Regis Godoy Barros <regisgbarros@...> wrote:
my difficulty is in dismantling the lathe tree.
I uploaded the photos in a new topic.
Regis
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restauration sanches blanes
my difficulty is in dismantling the lathe tree.
I uploaded the photos in a new topic.
Regis
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restauration sanches blanes
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Where to get parts for South Bend Lathes
I've got a Heavy 10L restoration project sitting here on hold for other reasons, but I tripped over this source of custom belts for SB lathes on a link from another forum and totally different subject. These may be the folks who sell on ebay, but I don't know for sure. They also mention Atlas lathes. I've not seen an Atlas that uses flat belts, but not by any means an Atlas expert, either. HTH!
Bill in OKC
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davesmith1800
Bill in OKC too
