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Great timing for this group. Last Saturday (12/16/00) I snagged an old (50s ?) 9" x 18" SB Precision Lathe Model A, SN 101025. I'm in the process of learning about the specific vintage and how best to clean, restore and enjoy this fine lathe. All help gratefully accepted. I'd like to request that anybody with pointers to web sites, wisdom, experience, etc. concerning the 9-inch SB please share them with the group. If this group grows to even a fraction of the 7x10minilathe@... egroup, we'll have a wonderful resource. I've included a picture of my lathe, minus the floor-standing motor pedestal. I'll be posting more pictures on the web as I work on this gem. Maybe we can start off with pictures of our lathes in the file area of this group since there's probably plenty of space right now. Many questions coming up... Paul R. Hvidston Upland, CA

Paul R. Hvidston Upland, CA

I just got off the phone with SBL and I learned that my SB Precision Lathe Model A was originally shipped Jan 13, 1941. I ordered the manual for it for $25.00 (we'll see if its the correct one). They also said parts are available for it, but I'll bet they aren't cheap. Anyway, the URL for SBL parts is: http://www.southbendlathecorp.com/parts.htm and the phone number is 800-525-2843. They are very pleasant and helpful. Just give them a call. I'll let the group know about the manual when it arrives ;-) Paul R. Hvidston Upland, CA

South Bend Lathes Home Page. http://www.southbendlathecorp.com/index.htm South Bend 9-inch "Workshop" Lathe http://www.lathes.co.uk/southbend9-inch/index.html Home Page of details on all 9" Model Lathes http://people.ne.mediaone.net/wasser/SBLathe/index.html

I started this eGroup last week and look at the great information. Keep it coming........... Lets see some more pictures.

Never heard of a factory South Bend with anything but bronze bearings and a back gear. I think they did away with the bronze bearings in the last 20 years.

Does anybody have a 9" SB with a similar configuration? My 1941(?) "Precision Model A" headstock has Timken roller bearings and no back gear (as seen from the attached photo). Nothing hangs off of the two ears on the headstock casting. With the headstock 3-step cone-pulley along with another 4-step jack-shaft on the floor-mount pedestal I get 12 speeds. The jack-shaft and motor were cobbled together from pillow blocks and a non-reversing repulsion motor. I'd like to re-engineer the power train starting with a TEFC 1 HP induction motor and possibly add a two-step pulley setup off the motor shaft in order to get the equivalent of a back-gear. Spindle speeds? I'd like to end up with 25-2100 RPM. I would imagine the roller bearings could handle the high speed safely. Flat belt? has anybody purchased a belt and cement from SBL? Others? Cost? Is it worth machining v-belt pulleys and getting rid of all that flat belt stuff? I read/heard that flat belt slip is a good safety factor if you should crash your cutter into the chuck (or whatever). BTW, surfing the SBL web site I found more history/documentation on the 9" series at: http://www.southbendlathecorp.com/workshop/9index.htm Paul R. Hvidston Upland, CA

I contacted a local belting company who I deal with. They recommend replacing the leather belts with a 4ply Transmission belt. I had them quote on the following belt. 3/4" x 53" x 3/16" with clipper lacing (Steel lace). Price $20 CAD ($13.00 USD) plus shipping. (You can specify any length) If you would like to have an endless belt or a belt prepared for gluing, it is the same price. They can also provide a special glue for this belt. The Company Name is Associated Industrial Rubber (902)468-1202. They are in Nova Scotia Canada. They will ship anywhere. Make sure you ask for Angus MacDonlad. Hope this helps.

I have attached a sketch of a Turret Tool post. If anyone has one on their machine, could they give me the dimensions as indicated on the attachment. I will draw one up in Cad when I finish it for all to share. Shaft size would also help.

I have attached a sketch of a Turret Tool post. If anyone has one on their machine, could they give me the dimensions as indicated on the attachment. I will draw one up in Cad when I finish it for all to share. Shaft size would also help.

I picked up a 3/4 HP motor today for $35.00 and I think will help my pulley setup since it is 1150 RPM instead of the usual 1725 RPM. Its made by GE and looks like its a capacitor start, capacitor run motor. The lower RPM makes it easier to get speed reduction pulleys for my setup. At any rate, the price was right, and its better than my non-reversible repulsion/induction motor. I wish I had back gears, but at least I've got Timkens. Paul R. Hvidston Upland, CA

Hi folks, I am excited about this new egroup, but I have a 13" not 9" Its a 1939 model, sold originally to East Newark, NJ high school. If you call SB with your serial no., they can tell you where it was originally sold. The 13" model is the one some of us old timers grew up with in high schools shops, I have been told, but not verified that they are still used in some high school shops. I have a good story I will list about how I came to purchase mine about 8 mos ago from a great used machinery guy here in Richmond, VA. Also ebay and flea markets are great places to get old SB stuff. Much less than you will pay for it at south bend. Well if I have not offened the 9 inchers too badly I will be back. big tom

I quickly put together a temporary web page for my 9" SBL restoration. Sorry if it loads slowly, I haven't taken the time to polish it up. I'll do that after I polish up the lathe ;-) http://209.150.72.7/SBL/index.html Paul R. Hvidston Upland, CA

Can anyone furnish specs. for the 10K lathe? I am looking for a 9"/10" w/the 1 3/8" (or larger) spindle bore & have come across a few 10K's. Also source for parts list & drawings for the same lathe. What is the lowdown on the 10K vs. the Regular 10". Is this the "Light 10" vs. the "Heavy 10" Tony of the UK refers to on his wonderful website. One better than other? Is the more plentiful 9" a better machine(prefer the Model A). Had a 1928 9" w/1 3/8"-10 spindle about 20 years ago. An excellent machine! A 9" Junior,I think. I have been through the 6" Craftsman to the 10" Atlas presently. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bill Scheider

Paul, I have the lathe in storage. I will run over there this weekend and get that info to you, Thanks, Dean

Hi all, I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas. I have a a page dedicated to my South Bend 9" workshop lathe, there is not much there but at least you can see a couple of pics of another lathe. Also, I am storing this lathe until make a decision on keeping it and I was wondering if I could use those machinery mounts I found in the Grizzly catalog instead of bolting down this lathe? I can't bolt it down where I have it stored at. I tried one day to turn a small part just to see it run but it vibrated to much. Thanks, Dean http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/vwone/myhomepage/profile.html Just click on My South Bend Page.

Paul, and the other SB egroupers, Loved the web page on the 9" SB, I will try to get some pictures posted of my 13". Ok here is how I got the 13" SB 4' serial no. 91573, mfg. 3 Aug 1939 (this info is from SB). In the early 60's I attend a large HS in Chicago called Lane Tech where I took 2 years of machine shop, 1 ? years more than the normal student. In college I also had a practical applications course where we used a turret lathe and did a project on manufacturing. Now I have always had a shop in my home, mainly woodworking and automotive repair. And I have always thought about someday having my own lathe, but its sort of hard to justify such an item with college payments, house mortgages etc. Well, about 2 years ago I ran into a fella at a local flea market who was selling used machine shop tools and I struck up a conversation with him about my old HS days and using a lathe. I casually mentioned to him that someday I would like to purchase a lathe, but just could not fathom what my dear wife would say if I spent several thousand dollars on a machine that made center punches… the classic HS project we all made. He suggested I go see a man in Richmond who dealt in used machinery, his name was Dempsey. Well I shrugged this off, again putting the whole idea on the back burner of my mind. I have no idea what possessed me to visit Dempsey's on the 13th of Nov 99, about a year after the flea market incident, but I did. He's located in the City of Richmond, VA and open on Saturdays only, from about 9:30 AM to 4:30 PM. Dempsey's is in an old warehouse. There I wandered around old lathes, mills, and drill presses of every size and shape imaginable. Then I spotted two old friends, two lathes, identical in size and make, and the exact lathes I had used in HS. I knew not what they were in HS, but I did recognize them. You may not believe this, but they even smelled the same as they did in HS, now this is 38 years ago. Although I rally had no intentions of buying this lathe, later finding out it was a 13" 4' South Bend, I asked Mr. Dempsey what it went for, figuring 2000 dollars or so. When he said $800.00, I said you have a deal. Only then did I ask if it ran. He said of course and he would guarantee it and if there were any problems he'd work them out with me. Oh gee now what? I just bought a lathe identical to the one I had used 36 years ago in HS. Ok I knew how to use it, that came back like riding a bicycle, but I knew not how to connect it up, 3 phase you say? Ok Mr. Dempsey how do I run a 3-phase motor with 220 in my house. Well he just happened to have a converter, for up to 3 HP for about $100. So off I went with the converter and a receipt for my new lathe with no idea how I was going to get 800+lbs of South Bend home, let alone what I was going to tell the wife. Again Mr. Dempsey says he knew a guy who would be reasonable and would deliver it to my shop.. Sure enough an auto towing service used one of those tilt bed auto haulers to load it and deliver it. A good operator can perform miracles with one of these tilt beds, trust me. He positioned it through a garage door on my shop floor and with a crow bar we were able to jack it around and slide it to its new home about 20 miles south of Richmond, VA. I will go into the wife's reaction later, but suffice it so say it was not too bad as I am still married. My oldest son, 28, said, "Dad what that's machine in the basement". Then when I told him it was a quick-change gear lathe, he said, "OK, but what do you make with it?". I said center punches and pls do not ask any more dumb questions. OK so that's it! Now a couple of things I have learned since Nov 99. Oilers: High School shop lathes took a fair amt of abuse from well intended students. Like they round off the compound rest sharp corners quickly. I can still hear Mr. Buchanan screaming about removal of the 4 jaw chuck key before turning the lathe on, I think his voice hit peak even before the key hit the floor after bouncing off the light fixture or ceiling. Anyway these oilers, of which there are many at least on a 13" are 10 to 15 bucks from South Bend. But the same oilers are available from Gits for like $1.50. Call 1-800- 323-3238 or go to the Gits web site http://www.gitsmfg.com/. You will have to figure out the size as Gits has many different oilers, but I was able to match things up pretty well. I may be able to help 13" guys here. I also found that the oilers were threaded in some cases and other pressed in, both types are available from Gits. One of the tail stock oilers had a wick, available from SB. The threaded ones use a very fine thread and these taps, finer than NF, are available from MSC http://www.mscdirect.com/default.htm another great source of machine tools. Lubricants: Ok I ordered SB oils and lubricants, again, pretty steep, but I wanted the real stuff. I have subsequently found that the back gear shaft and stepped pulley grease sent by SB is available from Fastenal Corp at Fastenal.com. Look for the Part no. 62642 which is Super Lube Synthetic Based Lube w/Teflon, 3 Oz tubes. This is the same grease SB will send you, but they charge $16.00, Fastenal charges $4.44. OK sorry for the dialogue guys, I will pass along some other things later, I have not restored anything on it yet, as believe it or not, it runs real smooth. I did make sure I oiled and greased everything prior to initial start up. Big Tom

Who uses what kinds of lubricants on their SB Lathes? A couple people have already chimed in: JS Early mentioned 30W ND oil. Tom Miller mentioned Fastenal's p/n 62642, Super Lube Synthetic Based Lube w/Teflon The SB lubrication chart calls for: "Machine Oil Sybold Universal Viscosity Rating in Seconds at 100 degrees F." Type A=100 sec., type B=150-240 sec., type C=250-500 sec. And just what do those translate into? Right now I'm just keeping things sliding with 30WT ND as I'm restoring my SB. Paul R. Hvidston, N6MGN@... ACKSYS Engineering Upland, CA p.hvidston@...

Hi, Was just informed of this group and checked in. I own a 9" South Bend tool room lathe. I all but the follower rest for it. I got the lathe and approximately $3000.00 worth of Starret, Brown and Sharp, etc. machinist precision measuring instruments for $1200.00. I bought the lathe in 1994 thru a machinist friend. I have been machining since 1976 when I started with (and still have) the Atlas 6". I now have the AA/craftsman lathe, Atlas 6" lathe, 9" South Bend lathe, and the 12x37 Grizzly. I run Bower Machine & Tool. I make some accessories for the above lathes as well as commercial work for a plumbing wholesaler near me. (All their work is either brass castings or in brass bar stock. What a scrap box I have). (I have been in business since 1985 and am 55 years old. I am also a Tool Designer). I have read most of the messages and the following is good sources. South Bend Lathe Corp. 400 W. Sample Street South Bend, Indiana 46601 (219) 289-7771 1-800-24-LATHE (this number is for ordering parts only) I got my manual for my lathe from them for $25.00. You receive the full manual along with a lub chart and leveling instructions. The manual shows several lathes in the same series along with the various accessories and parts list. You need the serial number that is in the front way at the tailstock end to get the right manual. Never checked for their web site. Another good web site is www.sc-c.com/metallathe/index.html This is Metal Lathe Accessories P.O. Box 88 Pine Grove Mills, PA 16868 (814) 234-3543 Andy Lofquist I machined all of his kits and have most of them for my South Bend. I quote on machining either partial or all the kit. I have made quite a few of his cross slides, face plates and tool posts. I use both his turning, boring, and quick retracting threading tool posts on my machine. Check out his web site. (Why redesign the wheel when he has kits that are very reasonable. He supplies drawings and machining instructions with all his kits). He has all listed on his web page. The cross slide requires a milling machine as well as the face plate. The cross slide requires cutting both dovetails and T-slots and the face plate requires cutting T-Slots. The vertical milling attachment also requires cutting dovetails and T-slots but he shows how to machine them on the lathe. Well enough being long winded. Earl ebower@...

I have a 1940 (in. model a and love it. do any of you guys know why when i use the back gear it jumps out Brett