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Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to be used for carbide insert tool holders? My guess is 4140. I have four that I need to mill down to work in an AXA holder. They test at 45 HRC. Thinking about annealing them before milling and then heat treating again, so I would like specs to use.
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Use a carbide endmill and coolant. No need to anneal
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Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to be used for carbide insert tool holders? My guess is 4140. I have four that I need to mill down to work in an AXA holder. They test at 45 HRC. Thinking about annealing them before milling and then heat treating
again, so I would like specs to use.
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Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43 PM, Andrei via
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Use a carbide endmill and coolant. No need to
anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to be used for
carbide insert tool holders? My guess is 4140. I have four that
I need to mill down to work in an AXA holder. They test at 45
HRC. Thinking about annealing them before milling and then heat
treating again, so I would like specs to use.
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You can use a squit bottle to send coolant to the cut
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Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43 PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and coolant. No need to anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to be used for carbide insert tool holders? My guess is 4140. I have four that I need to mill down to work in an AXA holder. They test at 45 HRC. Thinking about annealing them before milling and then heat treating
again, so I would like specs to use.
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Are short of squirter bottles or endmills?
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Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43 PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and coolant. No need to anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to be used for carbide insert tool holders? My guess is 4140. I have four that I need to mill down to work in an AXA holder. They test at 45 HRC. Thinking about annealing them before milling and then heat treating
again, so I would like specs to use.
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I have a heat treating oven right next to my mill, so I would rather
use the oven.
On 4/24/2024 11:02 PM, Andrei via
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Are short of squirter bottles or endmills?
Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43 PM, Andrei via
groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and coolant. No need to
anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to be used
for carbide insert tool holders? My guess is 4140. I have
four that I need to mill down to work in an AXA holder. They
test at 45 HRC. Thinking about annealing them before milling
and then heat treating again, so I would like specs to use.
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That is definitely a great option. I don't have one so my go-to was carbide and coolant.youbare in great shape with the oven
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I have a heat treating oven right next to my mill, so I would rather use the oven.
On 4/24/2024 11:02 PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Are short of squirter bottles or endmills?
Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43 PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and coolant. No need to anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to be used for carbide insert tool holders? My guess is 4140. I have four that I need to mill down to work in an AXA holder. They test at 45 HRC. Thinking about annealing them before milling and then heat treating
again, so I would like specs to use.
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The problem is I do not know the alloy. I guess I will use the 4140
specs.
On 4/25/2024 12:59 AM, Andrei via
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That is definitely a great option. I don't have
one so my go-to was carbide and coolant.youbare in great shape
with the oven
I have a heat treating oven right next to my mill, so I would
rather use the oven.
On 4/24/2024 11:02 PM, Andrei via
groups.io wrote:
Are short of squirter bottles or endmills?
Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43 PM,
Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and coolant. No need
to anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to be
used for carbide insert tool holders? My guess is 4140.
I have four that I need to mill down to work in an AXA
holder. They test at 45 HRC. Thinking about annealing
them before milling and then heat treating again, so I
would like specs to use.
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It is a reasonable assumption?
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The problem is I do not know the alloy. I guess I will use the 4140 specs.
On 4/25/2024 12:59 AM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
That is definitely a great option. I don't have one so my go-to was carbide and coolant.youbare in great shape with the oven
I have a heat treating oven right next to my mill, so I would rather use the oven.
On 4/24/2024 11:02 PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Are short of squirter bottles or endmills?
Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43 PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and coolant. No need to anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to be used for carbide insert tool holders? My guess is 4140. I have four that I need to mill down to work in an AXA holder. They test at 45 HRC. Thinking about annealing them before milling and then heat treating
again, so I would like specs to use.
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Found a reference online to SS2541 being used for tool bit holders. Maybe check that.?
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The problem is I do not know the alloy. I guess I will use the 4140 specs.
On 4/25/2024 12:59 AM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
That is definitely a great option. I don't have one so my go-to was carbide and coolant.youbare in great shape with the oven
I have a heat treating oven right next to my mill, so I would rather use the oven.
On 4/24/2024 11:02 PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Are short of squirter bottles or endmills?
Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43 PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and coolant. No need to anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to be used for carbide insert tool holders? My guess is 4140. I have four that I need to mill down to work in an AXA holder. They test at 45 HRC. Thinking about annealing them before milling and then heat treating
again, so I would like specs to use.
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It could be something such as 1045. Tool holders don’t need to be 4140. That doesn’t mean for certain that they aren’t, but medium carbon steel is fine. 1045 hardens to RC 45 after tempering at 375-400.
Mel
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On Apr 25, 2024, at 1:09?AM, Mike Poore <mpoore10@...> wrote:
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The problem is I do not know the alloy. I guess I will use the 4140
specs.
On 4/25/2024 12:59 AM, Andrei via
groups.io wrote:
That is definitely a great option. I don't have
one so my go-to was carbide and coolant.youbare in great shape
with the oven
I have a heat treating oven right next to my mill, so I would
rather use the oven.
On 4/24/2024 11:02 PM, Andrei via
groups.io wrote:
Are short of squirter bottles or endmills?
Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43 PM,
Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and coolant. No need
to anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to be
used for carbide insert tool holders? My guess is 4140.
I have four that I need to mill down to work in an AXA
holder. They test at 45 HRC. Thinking about annealing
them before milling and then heat treating again, so I
would like specs to use.
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I did a search for that number. The
indicates that is the Swedish equivalent to 4340.
Sorry for wasting everyone's time. I hate when people ask easily
answered questions and I am guilty. I found this that lists the HT specs for most alloys. 1550F is within the
annealing range of almost every alloy on the list. 1500F is within
the hardening range for almost all alloys. I will have to do more
research on tempering, but for an insert holder there should be a
wide tolerance.
On 4/25/2024 1:17 AM, Andrei via
groups.io wrote:
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Found a reference online to SS2541 being used for
tool bit holders. Maybe check that.?
The problem is I do not know the alloy. I guess I will use
the 4140 specs.
On 4/25/2024 12:59 AM, Andrei via
groups.io wrote:
That is definitely a great option. I don't
have one so my go-to was carbide and coolant.youbare in
great shape with the oven
I have a heat treating oven right next to my mill, so I
would rather use the oven.
On 4/24/2024 11:02 PM,
Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Are short of squirter bottles or endmills?
Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43 PM,
Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and coolant. No
need to anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to be
used for carbide insert tool holders? My guess is
4140. I have four that I need to mill down to work
in an AXA holder. They test at 45 HRC. Thinking
about annealing them before milling and then heat
treating again, so I would like specs to use.
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SACRILEDGE !? .. ok, an answer to a question not asked ... but I have made insert holders from bar 2024 aluminum ...? special limited use yes but up to the chip forces I was creating.??
be more than ok for threading, finishing, etc. ... also using up a few odd inserts you might find ...
ken, going where no real muchinust would dare to go ...
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??? Aloris are? case hardened .
animal
On 4/25/24 8:37 AM, Mike Poore wrote:
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I did a search for that number. The indicates that is the Swedish
equivalent to 4340.
Sorry for wasting everyone's time. I hate when people ask easily
answered questions and I am guilty. I found this that lists the HT specs for
most alloys. 1550F is within the annealing range of almost every
alloy on the list. 1500F is within the hardening range for almost
all alloys. I will have to do more research on tempering, but for
an insert holder there should be a wide tolerance.
On 4/25/2024 1:17 AM, Andrei via
groups.io wrote:
Found a reference online to SS2541 being used
for tool bit holders. Maybe check that.?
The problem is I do not know the alloy. I guess I will use
the 4140 specs.
On 4/25/2024 12:59 AM, Andrei
via groups.io wrote:
That is definitely a great option. I don't
have one so my go-to was carbide and coolant.youbare in
great shape with the oven
I have a heat treating oven right next to my mill, so I
would rather use the oven.
On 4/24/2024 11:02 PM,
Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Are short of squirter bottles or
endmills?
Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43
PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and coolant.
No need to anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to
be used for carbide insert tool holders? My guess
is 4140. I have four that I need to mill down to
work in an AXA holder. They test at 45 HRC.
Thinking about annealing them before milling and
then heat treating again, so I would like specs to
use.
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Cheaper to get a carbide endmill than to risk losing 4 holders to heat treat problems.
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The problem is I do not know the alloy. I guess I will use the 4140 specs.
On 4/25/2024 12:59 AM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
That is definitely a great option. I don't have one so my go-to was carbide and coolant.youbare in great shape with the oven
I have a heat treating oven right next to my mill, so I would rather use the oven.
On 4/24/2024 11:02 PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Are short of squirter bottles or endmills?
Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43 PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and coolant. No need to anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to be used for carbide insert tool holders? My guess is 4140. I have four that I need to mill down to work in an AXA holder. They test at 45 HRC. Thinking about annealing them before milling and then heat treating
again, so I would like specs to use.
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I’ve found that the generic carbide endmills in smaller sizes available on Amazon are not only cheap but completely satisfactory for most hobbyist uses. In fact, they’re way better than expected…
Gary
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Just an update in case anyone is interested. I annealed the tool
holders at 1550 F. Before annealing, they tested at 45 HRC. After
annealing, they tested at 8 HRC. I have read I should use a B scale
tester, but I do not have one. A scrap piece of 1018 tested at 15
HRC, so these holders should be easy milling.
On 4/25/2024 11:37 AM, Mike Poore via
groups.io wrote:
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I did a search for that number. The indicates that is the Swedish
equivalent to 4340.
Sorry for wasting everyone's time. I hate when people ask easily
answered questions and I am guilty. I found this that lists the HT specs for
most alloys. 1550F is within the annealing range of almost every
alloy on the list. 1500F is within the hardening range for almost
all alloys. I will have to do more research on tempering, but for
an insert holder there should be a wide tolerance.
On 4/25/2024 1:17 AM, Andrei via
groups.io wrote:
Found a reference online to SS2541 being used
for tool bit holders. Maybe check that.?
The problem is I do not know the alloy. I guess I will use
the 4140 specs.
On 4/25/2024 12:59 AM, Andrei
via groups.io wrote:
That is definitely a great option. I don't
have one so my go-to was carbide and coolant.youbare in
great shape with the oven
I have a heat treating oven right next to my mill, so I
would rather use the oven.
On 4/24/2024 11:02 PM,
Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Are short of squirter bottles or
endmills?
Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43
PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and coolant.
No need to anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely to
be used for carbide insert tool holders? My guess
is 4140. I have four that I need to mill down to
work in an AXA holder. They test at 45 HRC.
Thinking about annealing them before milling and
then heat treating again, so I would like specs to
use.
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Good deal . How long did ya cook them ?
thanks
animal
On 4/27/24 8:45 PM, Mike Poore wrote:
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Just an update in case anyone is interested. I annealed the tool
holders at 1550 F. Before annealing, they tested at 45 HRC. After
annealing, they tested at 8 HRC. I have read I should use a B
scale tester, but I do not have one. A scrap piece of 1018 tested
at 15 HRC, so these holders should be easy milling.
On 4/25/2024 11:37 AM, Mike Poore via
groups.io wrote:
I did a search for that number. The indicates that is the Swedish
equivalent to 4340.
Sorry for wasting everyone's time. I hate when people ask easily
answered questions and I am guilty. I found this that lists the HT specs
for most alloys. 1550F is within the annealing range of almost
every alloy on the list. 1500F is within the hardening range for
almost all alloys. I will have to do more research on tempering,
but for an insert holder there should be a wide tolerance.
On 4/25/2024 1:17 AM, Andrei via
groups.io wrote:
Found a reference online to SS2541 being used
for tool bit holders. Maybe check that.?
The problem is I do not know the alloy. I guess I will
use the 4140 specs.
On 4/25/2024 12:59 AM, Andrei
via groups.io wrote:
That is definitely a great option. I don't
have one so my go-to was carbide and coolant.youbare in
great shape with the oven
I have a heat treating oven right next to my mill, so
I would rather use the oven.
On 4/24/2024 11:02 PM,
Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Are short of squirter bottles or
endmills?
Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024 9:43
PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and coolant.
No need to anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely
to be used for carbide insert tool holders? My
guess is 4140. I have four that I need to mill
down to work in an AXA holder. They test at 45
HRC. Thinking about annealing them before
milling and then heat treating again, so I would
like specs to use.
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I did not have any problems machining my insert holders, I did nothing to them and used a carbide cutter.
Gary
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They stayed in the oven at 1550 about an hour. I shut the oven off
and left them in overnight to cool slowly. I did clean the scale off
before testing hardness, but I am still skeptical of it being softer
than 1018. An online source claims 4140 annealed is 12 HRC, so maybe
it is plausible.
I have used carbide to cut hardened steel, but it is not very
enjoyable to do on a Clausing 8520 without coolant. The mill does
not have the girth to support the necessary tool pressure. The risk
of breaking endmills is high. I would rather save my carbide for
when I have no other options.
On 4/28/2024 12:16 AM, mike allen via
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Good deal . How long did ya cook them ?
thanks
animal
On 4/27/24 8:45 PM, Mike Poore wrote:
Just an update in case anyone is interested. I annealed the tool
holders at 1550 F. Before annealing, they tested at 45 HRC.
After annealing, they tested at 8 HRC. I have read I should use
a B scale tester, but I do not have one. A scrap piece of 1018
tested at 15 HRC, so these holders should be easy milling.
On 4/25/2024 11:37 AM, Mike Poore
via groups.io wrote:
I did a search for that number. The indicates that is the
Swedish equivalent to 4340.
Sorry for wasting everyone's time. I hate when people ask
easily answered questions and I am guilty. I found this that lists the HT specs
for most alloys. 1550F is within the annealing range of almost
every alloy on the list. 1500F is within the hardening range
for almost all alloys. I will have to do more research on
tempering, but for an insert holder there should be a wide
tolerance.
On 4/25/2024 1:17 AM, Andrei via
groups.io wrote:
Found a reference online to SS2541 being
used for tool bit holders. Maybe check that.?
The problem is I do not know the alloy. I guess I will
use the 4140 specs.
On 4/25/2024 12:59 AM,
Andrei via groups.io wrote:
That is definitely a great option. I
don't have one so my go-to was carbide and
coolant.youbare in great shape with the oven
I have a heat treating oven right next to my mill,
so I would rather use the oven.
On 4/24/2024 11:02
PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Are short of squirter bottles or
endmills?
Not an option for me.
On 4/24/2024
9:43 PM, Andrei via groups.io wrote:
Use a carbide endmill and
coolant. No need to anneal
Anyone happen to know the alloy most likely
to be used for carbide insert tool holders? My
guess is 4140. I have four that I need to mill
down to work in an AXA holder. They test at 45
HRC. Thinking about annealing them before
milling and then heat treating again, so I
would like specs to use.
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