Re: Modifying an Aloris tool holder
Hi There,
I have modified a couple of Aloris tool holders using HSS.? In my case,
I had a couple BX1 tool holders that wouldn't fit the dovetail on my tool
post (an Aloris BXA).? I have a large 60° cutter and I made a couple of
light passes (about .003") to open up the dovetail to make it fit.
I had an occasion that I needed to lower the tool block and I just moved
the tool post on the compound so the dovetail section hung off the side
enough to allow the tool block to clear the top of the compound.?
Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb
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Re: Modifying an Aloris tool holder
If your tool holder is made of Chinesium, you might be able to mill it down a bit. If it is Dorian or Aloris, it will probably be better to grind as those brands do a better job at hardening than the Chinese do.?
Give it a shot. You are only risking an endmill or a couple of inserts on a face mill.?
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That’s a really cool trick, but my problem is I need the tool to go further down and it is bottoming on the compound. Only solutions I see are to face off the bottom of the tool holder, or grind down the compound (which I am NOT going
to do) so the tool can drop down to the spindle centerline.
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??? ??? Joe Pie has a vid where he shows how to work that without modifying the tool post
? starts @ 6:30 . I fell asleep with the TV on youtube & woke up @ 4 in the morning to that? part .
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On 1/25/2023 5:54 AM, Don Verdiani wrote:
I use an Aloris BXA tool post holder on my Heavy 10, with great success.....up to now. I bought, and then discovered, that the BXA-22 Universal Turning and Boring Holder is too big, specifically too tall, to work with my lathe. The tool
point is about 1/8" above center with the block down on the compound. I touched the holder with a file, and it seems pretty hard. Anyone ever machined down an Aloris tool holder?
Don Verdiani
Westtown, PA
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Re: Modifying an Aloris tool holder
That’s a really cool trick, but my problem is I need the tool to go further down and it is bottoming on the compound. Only solutions I see are to face off the bottom of the tool holder, or grind down the compound (which I am NOT going to
do) so the tool can drop down to the spindle centerline.
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On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 1:43 PM
To: [email protected]
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??? ??? Joe Pie has a vid where he shows how to work that without modifying the tool post
? starts @ 6:30 . I fell asleep with the TV on youtube & woke up @ 4 in the morning to that? part .
??? ??? animal
On 1/25/2023 5:54 AM, Don Verdiani wrote:
I use an Aloris BXA tool post holder on my Heavy 10, with great success.....up to now. I bought, and then discovered, that the BXA-22 Universal Turning and Boring Holder is too big, specifically too tall, to work with my lathe. The tool
point is about 1/8" above center with the block down on the compound. I touched the holder with a file, and it seems pretty hard. Anyone ever machined down an Aloris tool holder?
Don Verdiani
Westtown, PA
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Re: Modifying an Aloris tool holder
??? ??? Joe Pie has a vid where he shows how to work that without
modifying the tool post
?
starts @ 6:30 . I fell asleep with the TV on youtube & woke up
@ 4 in the morning to that? part .
??? ??? animal
On 1/25/2023 5:54 AM, Don Verdiani
wrote:
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I use an Aloris BXA tool post holder on my Heavy 10, with great
success.....up to now. I bought, and then discovered, that the
BXA-22 Universal Turning and Boring Holder is too big,
specifically too tall, to work with my lathe. The tool point is
about 1/8" above center with the block down on the compound. I
touched the holder with a file, and it seems pretty hard. Anyone
ever machined down an Aloris tool holder?
Don Verdiani
Westtown, PA
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I have bxa tool holders. I have a 13” SouthBend turret lathe. I made all my tool holders including Aloris to 3/4” openings.
I used a half inch carbide two flute endmill
And had no problem.
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Re: Modifying an Aloris tool holder
... and it is the swing over the compound and not the swing over
the bed that really matters.
On 1/25/23 09:43, Andrei wrote:
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They are hardened. You will have to use a surface grinder to
modify it. 1/8 would not be a major weakening of the holder.?
BXA is a bit large for a 10k lathe. AXA would have been a better
choice.?
AXA tool post is meant for lathes 9-12 inches
BXA tool post is meant for lathes 10-15 inches
Using a BXA puts your lathe at the low end of the size range.
Clearly it has not been a major issue until now.?
Just 2 cents
I use an Aloris BXA tool post holder on my Heavy 10, with
great success.....up to now. I bought, and then discovered, that
the BXA-22 Universal Turning and Boring Holder is too big,
specifically too tall, to work with my lathe. The tool point is
about 1/8" above center with the block down on the compound. I
touched the holder with a file, and it seems pretty hard. Anyone
ever machined down an Aloris tool holder?
Don Verdiani
Westtown, PA
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Re: Modifying an Aloris tool holder
I’ve done these with a carbide end mill and cutting oil. Slow speed slow feed.
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On Jan 25, 2023, at 5:54 AM, Don Verdiani <DLVerdiani@...> wrote:
?I use an Aloris BXA tool post holder on my Heavy 10, with great success.....up to now. I bought, and then discovered, that the BXA-22 Universal Turning and Boring Holder is too big, specifically too tall, to work with my lathe. The tool point is about 1/8" above center with the block down on the compound. I touched the holder with a file, and it seems pretty hard. Anyone ever machined down an Aloris tool holder?
Don Verdiani
Westtown, PA
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Re: Modifying an Aloris tool holder
They are hardened. You will have to use a surface grinder to modify it. 1/8 would not be a major weakening of the holder.?
BXA is a bit large for a 10k lathe. AXA would have been a better choice.?
AXA tool post is meant for lathes 9-12 inches
BXA tool post is meant for lathes 10-15 inches
Using a BXA puts your lathe at the low end of the size range. Clearly it has not been a major issue until now.?
Just 2 cents
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I use an Aloris BXA tool post holder on my Heavy 10, with great success.....up to now. I bought, and then discovered, that the BXA-22 Universal Turning and Boring Holder is too big, specifically too tall, to work with my lathe. The tool point is about
1/8" above center with the block down on the compound. I touched the holder with a file, and it seems pretty hard. Anyone ever machined down an Aloris tool holder?
Don Verdiani
Westtown, PA
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Re: Modifying an Aloris tool holder
I have not done it, but I have several used CXA holders that milled for larger tool holders. Shouldn’t be a problem doing with a carbide bit. Maybe with a bottle of coolant to spry on the cut. Al ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Don Verdiani Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 8:54 AM To: [email protected]Subject: [SouthBendLathe] Modifying an Aloris tool holder ? I use an Aloris BXA tool post holder on my Heavy 10, with great success.....up to now. I bought, and then discovered, that the BXA-22 Universal Turning and Boring Holder is too big, specifically too tall, to work with my lathe. The tool point is about 1/8" above center with the block down on the compound. I touched the holder with a file, and it seems pretty hard. Anyone ever machined down an Aloris tool holder?
Don Verdiani
Westtown, PA
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Modifying an Aloris tool holder
I use an Aloris BXA tool post holder on my Heavy 10, with great success.....up to now. I bought, and then discovered, that the BXA-22 Universal Turning and Boring Holder is too big, specifically too tall, to work with my lathe. The tool point is about 1/8" above center with the block down on the compound. I touched the holder with a file, and it seems pretty hard. Anyone ever machined down an Aloris tool holder?
Don Verdiani
Westtown, PA
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Re: 9 A-C Milling attachment FS on PM Forum
I have long wanted a T-slot plate (table?) for my QCTP. You may
have inspired me to actually do it.
On 1/21/23 20:13, Jim_B wrote:
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For some very limited and light work I often use my QC Tool post.?
It has a little vertical adjustment.?
That’s a ball endmill.?
Jim B
A short slot
Fits the foot of an Automobile Mascot.?
Sorry, no closeup.?
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Those can be great for small work. A friend of mine who’s
passed away, was a Maker and repairman of stringed
instrument bows. He did much of his machining on his South
Bend A, with a milling attachment.?
Payson.?
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Jim B
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Old school tool centre finding device, metal 6” rule, use this method every day.
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I have a milling machine, but, some jobs are still done on the lathe with my double swivel milling slide, did think once in a senior moment that I could do without it, but a job came to me soon after which was better done on the lathe using this attachment, so, half a dozen times a year, wouldn’t do without it, I would keep it unless I had two.
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For some very limited and light work I often use my QC Tool post.? It has a little vertical adjustment.?
 That’s a ball endmill.?
Jim B
A short slot
Fits the foot of an Automobile Mascot.?
Sorry, no closeup.?
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On Jan 21, 2023, at 6:29 PM, Payson <egreene104@...> wrote:
? Those can be great for small work. A friend of mine who’s passed away, was a Maker and repairman of stringed instrument bows. He did much of his machining on his South Bend A, with a milling attachment.?
Payson.?
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Jim B
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I have a Palmgren 250 milling attachment that I have used on a heavy 10.? I am entertaining selling it this summer when I am back home.? Looking for around $260.00.
jbusch@...
John
On Sat, 21 Jan, 2023 at 4:29 PM, Payson <egreene104@...> wrote: ? Those can be great for small work. A friend of mine who’s passed away, was a Maker and repairman of stringed instrument bows. He did much of his machining on his South Bend A, with a milling attachment.?
Payson.?
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Those can be great for small work. A friend of mine who’s passed away, was a Maker and repairman of stringed instrument bows. He did much of his machining on his South Bend A, with a milling attachment.?
Payson.?
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9 A-C Milling attachment FS on PM Forum
I just posted a Milling attachment for a 9 A-C over on the
Practical Machinist forum .
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??? ??? When I went to get all 3 of? the? oils for my 9A I just
called WW Grainger? & had all 3 within a week . I can't get to
my shop , snowed in but I gave them the ISO #'s . I'm going by
memory
??? ??? so taker this with a % or error , the Way oil was Mobil
Vactra , Spindle was some snowplow Hydraulic oil & & the
last for the gearbox , tailstock counter shaft & so on was one
of the 3in1
??? ??? oil's . All 3 of these came up when they ran the oil
specs that I had gotten I think off the Practical Machinist SB
forum . I don't know if there are any WW Graingers outside of the
USA ,
??? ??? but if your in the states your set .
??? ??? animal
On 1/18/2023 2:27 PM, Greg wrote:
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Wow. I really don’t remember it being so hard to
simply get oil. Glad I got it when I did. (But dreading getting
the next supply.) Greg
I
cancelled the order with Govets. Lubriplate requires 4 gal
minimum order, and there's none on Motion Ind. shelf
locally. PTSolutions wants $82.61 p/g. Now I found Elba.
$32.40 at Amazon.
ELBALUBES S-HYD
22 | Industrial Hydraulic Oil | Hydraulic Oil 22 |
Zinc-Free Ashless Hydraulic Oil | Cross Reference to
Mobil VELOCITE 10.Shell TELLUS 22,Rando 22. NUTO 22. (1
Gallon)
PG
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Stuart Wilby
Jim_B
Payson