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Re: Reverse tumbler Mod for a 9A

 

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You want the one of a 10L the first one on your list
Nick

On 2023-02-15 7:51 p.m., mike allen wrote:


On 2/15/2023 4:49 PM, mike a wrote:
??? ??? I forgot do I want a tumbler off a 10L or a Heavy 10.

??? ??? WIll? an of these? fit my 9A ?
??? ??? One of them says it's off a 9" lathe but I think it's maybe off
that other 9" lathe & not the 9A










??? ??? thanks

??? ??? animal








Re: Reverse tumbler Mod for a 9A

 

On 2/15/2023 4:49 PM, mike a wrote:
??? ??? I forgot do I want a tumbler off a 10L or a Heavy 10.

??? ??? WIll? an of these? fit my 9A ?
??? ??? One of them says it's off a 9" lathe but I think it's maybe off
that other 9" lathe & not the 9A










??? ??? thanks

??? ??? animal


Reverse tumbler Mod for a 9A

 

I forgot do I want a tumbler off a 10L or a Heavy 10.

??? ??? WIll? an of these? fit my 9A ?







??? ??? thanks

??? ??? animal


Re: ER Collet nut

 

But it does work as that is how I have been threading Metric since making the 4 stud gears I needed. Its important to note that when reaching the end of the thread on each pass you STOP the lathe, then dissengage the half nutsand return to the beginning of the next cut, now note; ?just return the carriage slowly untill you can re-engage the half nuts to the marked position from your first cut. And then repeat this procedure untill completing to your desired fit.
?I must impress though, that you should select a spindle speed that allows the spindle to stop fairly quickly or. having a VFD with breaking set light(as I have) allows a fairly quick stop without threat of losing the chuck ;) BTW I have 1947 9A and a 1986 10K underdrive - with a Hitachi VFD

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 09:18:51 AM PST, m. allan noah <kitno455@...> wrote:


Too bad it isn't true.

allan

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 11:53 AM Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
Yes, that is the plan, anyway. ?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Rick <vwrick@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:49 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] ER Collet nut
?

Are you saying you can just disengage the half nut, hand crank the carriage back, and restart on the same number?



On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 10:58 AM, Andrei wrote:

The only difference between metric and imperial on using threading dial is that with metric you have to start ON THE SAME mark, every time.?
?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of William Nelson <wnnelson@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:55 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] ER Collet nut
?
I had that idea a while ago as I had some parts to make that would have been easier to leave in the chuck and go back and forth to the lathe and mill. I considered using carbide tooling to thread a commercial hex block as there was sufficient wall thickness for the threads. I never got around to it but it is still in the back of my mind. If I had a surface grinder making one would be much easier. I have a 10k and have used the printed gears from Ebay with great success making metric threads. I believe I saw a way to use the threading dial on you tube but never tried it. Something about using the same mark on the dial I believe but don't hold me to it.
--
Bill From Socal



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Re: ER Collet nut

 

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??? ??? Thanks Nick , if one of those tumblers falls into my lap I'll be reachin out to ya .

??? ??? thanks

??? ??? animal

On 2/15/2023 4:20 PM, Nick Jonkman wrote:

Yes and I also installed the reverse tumbler from a 10 " many years ago. I think they were running around $75.00 then, but I love it.
By the way I made a drill guide bushing to do the job which I have loaned out when needed. I believe I did get it back as well as the pattern for the plate if anyone needs it.

On 2023-02-15 7:14 p.m., mike allen wrote:

??? ??? Yep , that makes sense , right now I? don't have a reversing switch on my treadmill motor . That's on top of my more important sh** to do list . I'd also like to get a reverse tumbler off a 10" lathe so you don't have to use a wrench to reverse the lead screw .? But geeze people think those things are made out of gold ! I'm not a miner . Ive got a bunch of experimenting when I get my lathe moved over to the new shop .

??? ??? thanks

??? ??? animal

On 2/15/2023 4:06 PM, Nick Jonkman wrote:
I also power reverse the spindle.
Nick

On 2023-02-15 1:13 p.m., Andrei wrote:
I think you got it right, with one caveat: Abom79 was power reversing the spindle




Re: ER Collet nut

 

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Yes and I also installed the reverse tumbler from a 10 " many years ago. I think they were running around $75.00 then, but I love it.
By the way I made a drill guide bushing to do the job which I have loaned out when needed. I believe I did get it back as well as the pattern for the plate if anyone needs it.

On 2023-02-15 7:14 p.m., mike allen wrote:

??? ??? Yep , that makes sense , right now I? don't have a reversing switch on my treadmill motor . That's on top of my more important sh** to do list . I'd also like to get a reverse tumbler off a 10" lathe so you don't have to use a wrench to reverse the lead screw .? But geeze people think those things are made out of gold ! I'm not a miner . Ive got a bunch of experimenting when I get my lathe moved over to the new shop .

??? ??? thanks

??? ??? animal

On 2/15/2023 4:06 PM, Nick Jonkman wrote:
I also power reverse the spindle.
Nick

On 2023-02-15 1:13 p.m., Andrei wrote:
I think you got it right, with one caveat: Abom79 was power reversing the spindle

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of mike allen <animal@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:07 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] ER Collet nut
?


On 2/15/2023 10:03 AM, mike a wrote:

??? ??? ??? I believe if you have a hand crank on the outboard spindle it will work , but I will not be able to test that theory for a couple 3 weeks. Hit return too fast .

??? ??? My thought is to

??? ??? 1 . Make your pass

??? ??? 2. Back the tool out .????

??? ??? 3. Power the lathe off leaving the halfnut engaged .

?? ???? 4 . Use the hand crank to move the carriage to original starting point? .

??? ??? 5. Rinse , repeat .

??? ??? but I could also just be pounding sand

??? ??? animal

On 2/15/2023 9:18 AM, m. allan noah wrote:
Too bad it isn't true.

allan



Re: ER Collet nut

 

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??? ??? Yep , that makes sense , right now I? don't have a reversing switch on my treadmill motor . That's on top of my more important sh** to do list . I'd also like to get a reverse tumbler off a 10" lathe so you don't have to use a wrench to reverse the lead screw .? But geeze people think those things are made out of gold ! I'm not a miner . Ive got a bunch of experimenting when I get my lathe moved over to the new shop .

??? ??? thanks

??? ??? animal

On 2/15/2023 4:06 PM, Nick Jonkman wrote:

I also power reverse the spindle.
Nick

On 2023-02-15 1:13 p.m., Andrei wrote:
I think you got it right, with one caveat: Abom79 was power reversing the spindle

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of mike allen <animal@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:07 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] ER Collet nut
?


On 2/15/2023 10:03 AM, mike a wrote:

??? ??? ??? I believe if you have a hand crank on the outboard spindle it will work , but I will not be able to test that theory for a couple 3 weeks. Hit return too fast .

??? ??? My thought is to

??? ??? 1 . Make your pass

??? ??? 2. Back the tool out .????

??? ??? 3. Power the lathe off leaving the halfnut engaged .

?? ???? 4 . Use the hand crank to move the carriage to original starting point? .

??? ??? 5. Rinse , repeat .

??? ??? but I could also just be pounding sand

??? ??? animal

On 2/15/2023 9:18 AM, m. allan noah wrote:
Too bad it isn't true.

allan


Re: ER Collet nut

 

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I also power reverse the spindle.
Nick

On 2023-02-15 1:13 p.m., Andrei wrote:

I think you got it right, with one caveat: Abom79 was power reversing the spindle

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of mike allen <animal@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:07 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] ER Collet nut
?


On 2/15/2023 10:03 AM, mike a wrote:

??? ??? ??? I believe if you have a hand crank on the outboard spindle it will work , but I will not be able to test that theory for a couple 3 weeks. Hit return too fast .

??? ??? My thought is to

??? ??? 1 . Make your pass

??? ??? 2. Back the tool out .????

??? ??? 3. Power the lathe off leaving the halfnut engaged .

?? ???? 4 . Use the hand crank to move the carriage to original starting point? .

??? ??? 5. Rinse , repeat .

??? ??? but I could also just be pounding sand

??? ??? animal

On 2/15/2023 9:18 AM, m. allan noah wrote:
Too bad it isn't true.

allan

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 11:53 AM Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
Yes, that is the plan, anyway. ?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Rick <vwrick@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:49 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] ER Collet nut
?

Are you saying you can just disengage the half nut, hand crank the carriage back, and restart on the same number?



On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 10:58 AM, Andrei wrote:

The only difference between metric and imperial on using threading dial is that with metric you have to start ON THE SAME mark, every time.?
?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of William Nelson <wnnelson@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:55 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] ER Collet nut
?
I had that idea a while ago as I had some parts to make that would have been easier to leave in the chuck and go back and forth to the lathe and mill. I considered using carbide tooling to thread a commercial hex block as there was sufficient wall thickness for the threads. I never got around to it but it is still in the back of my mind. If I had a surface grinder making one would be much easier. I have a 10k and have used the printed gears from Ebay with great success making metric threads. I believe I saw a way to use the threading dial on you tube but never tried it. Something about using the same mark on the dial I believe but don't hold me to it.
--
Bill From Socal


--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"


Re: Metric threading on a 9A ?

 

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Hi
I have a set of metric threading? gears for my 9A and the few times I have used them I did not change the banjo. They came with a chart showing the position of the gears on the 9A banjo. They coordinated with the quick change gear box.

Nick

On 2023-02-15 1:12 p.m., mike allen wrote:

??? ??? A bud gave me a set of the metric threading gears for my lathe
. I keep thinking I? have seen on some lathes you need a different banjo
to use these gears . DO you use the stock banjo on the 9A ?

??? ??? thanks

??? ??? animal








Re: Metric threading on 10L ?

 

You're absolutely correct. I just pulled the gear cover and verified that the gears in my gear train have a smaller DP than this printed conversion gear.

And a rereading of the papers that were shipped with the grear found a pitch chart for the double-tumbler QCGB only.

I'll send a note to the ebay seller, asking him to make this distinction clear in his item description.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023, m. allan noah wrote:

The single tumbler is not compatible with those gears without a bunch of work. They do not have a banjo that allows the gears to be moved or
replaced. IIRC, the existing gears are also a different pitch (18DP maybe?)
allan
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 3:02 PM Richard Green <rtg@...> wrote:
Mine is a 1943 production single- tumbler unit.? (Pull-knob and top lever as
well)

The gear I purchased is the half-sized one which supposedly fits within the gear
cover and can be left in 'permanently', although there is no claimed means for
switching it in and out of the gear train as needed.

--
Rick Green


Re: Metric threading on 10L ?

m. allan noah
 

The single tumbler is not compatible with those gears without a bunch of work. They do not have a banjo that allows the gears to be moved or replaced. IIRC, the existing gears are also a different pitch (18DP maybe?)

allan


On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 3:02 PM Richard Green <rtg@...> wrote:
Mine is a 1943 production single- tumbler unit.? (Pull-knob and top lever as
well)

The gear I purchased is the half-sized one which supposedly fits within the gear
cover and can be left in 'permanently', although there is no claimed means for
switching it in and out of the gear train as needed.



On Wed, 15 Feb 2023, m. allan noah wrote:

> Do you have a double tumbler, or single tumbler gearbox?
>
> allan
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 1:58 PM Richard Green <rtg@...> wrote:
>? ? ? ?I purchased on ebay a 3D printed compound gear that is supposed to enable metric
>? ? ? ?threading on my Heavy 10.
>? ? ? ?? ?The gear appears to be printed well, and is equipped with a bronze bushing
>? ? ? ?center for reduced wear and longer life.
>? ? ? ?? ?What I didn't get, however, is any instructions.? Can someone give me guidance
>? ? ? ?on how to integrate it into the geartrain, and point me to a spreadsheet or PDF
>? ? ? ?of a new threading/feed chart after the modification?

--
Rick Green








--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"


Re: Metric threading on 10L ?

 

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023, mike allen wrote:

??? ??? I forgot this was in the files section . See if this helps

/g/SouthBendLathe/files/Techinfo/Metric%20Threading

??? ??? animal
Thanks for the link. All those charts appear to be for 9in lathes without QCGB. Still looking.

--
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Citizens United ruling, and move to amend our Constitution to firmly establish
that money is not speech, and that human beings, not corporations, are persons
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Re: Metric threading on 10L ?

 

Mine is a 1943 production single- tumbler unit. (Pull-knob and top lever as well)

The gear I purchased is the half-sized one which supposedly fits within the gear cover and can be left in 'permanently', although there is no claimed means for switching it in and out of the gear train as needed.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023, m. allan noah wrote:

Do you have a double tumbler, or single tumbler gearbox?
allan
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 1:58 PM Richard Green <rtg@...> wrote:
I purchased on ebay a 3D printed compound gear that is supposed to enable metric
threading on my Heavy 10.
? ?The gear appears to be printed well, and is equipped with a bronze bushing
center for reduced wear and longer life.
? ?What I didn't get, however, is any instructions.? Can someone give me guidance
on how to integrate it into the geartrain, and point me to a spreadsheet or PDF
of a new threading/feed chart after the modification?
--
Rick Green


Re: Metric threading on 10L ?

m. allan noah
 

Do you have a double tumbler, or single tumbler gearbox?

allan


On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 1:58 PM Richard Green <rtg@...> wrote:
I purchased on ebay a 3D printed compound gear that is supposed to enable metric
threading on my Heavy 10.
? ?The gear appears to be printed well, and is equipped with a bronze bushing
center for reduced wear and longer life.
? ?What I didn't get, however, is any instructions.? Can someone give me guidance
on how to integrate it into the geartrain, and point me to a spreadsheet or PDF
of a new threading/feed chart after the modification?

--
Rick Green









--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"


Re: Metric threading on 10L ?

 

I forgot this was in the files section . See if this helps

/g/SouthBendLathe/files/Techinfo/Metric%20Threading

??? ??? animal

On 2/15/2023 10:58 AM, Richard Green wrote:
I purchased on ebay a 3D printed compound gear that is supposed to
enable metric threading on my Heavy 10.
? The gear appears to be printed well, and is equipped with a bronze
bushing center for reduced wear and longer life.
? What I didn't get, however, is any instructions.? Can someone give
me guidance on how to integrate it into the geartrain, and point me to
a spreadsheet or PDF of a new threading/feed chart after the
modification?


Re: ER Collet nut

 

Don’t make this harder than it has to be. No hand cranking needed. Just run slow, when you get to the last thread or so, shut the power off. The spindle will coast to a rest. Crank out of cut. Run lathe in reverse to beginning. Dial the crossslide back in to new depth of cut. Rinse and repeat. No need to touch the half nut if you have a decent size relief.

If you need to cut to a narrow relief, follow the video that was posted earlier.

This video: ?

I believe with the method posted in the video, you need to get back to the same number, on the same rotation of the dial. If the dial goes around twice, you must reverse it twice. Pay attention.


Metric threading on 10L ?

 

I purchased on ebay a 3D printed compound gear that is supposed to enable metric threading on my Heavy 10.
The gear appears to be printed well, and is equipped with a bronze bushing center for reduced wear and longer life.
What I didn't get, however, is any instructions. Can someone give me guidance on how to integrate it into the geartrain, and point me to a spreadsheet or PDF of a new threading/feed chart after the modification?

--
Rick Green


Re: Metric threading on a 9A ?

 

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??? ??? Good deal

??? ??? thanks

??? ??? animal

On 2/15/2023 10:20 AM, Phillip Rankin wrote:

mike allen?animal@...???

12:13 PM (4 minutes ago)

to?SouthBendLathe
???? ??? A bud gave me a set of the metric threading gears for my lathe
. I keep thinking I? have seen on some lathes you need a different banjo
to use these gears . DO you use the stock banjo on the 9A ?

Greetings Mike;?
If the gears were for a Southbend 9a,b,or c they will work on the banjo that you have.

Phillip R.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:13 PM mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
???? ??? A bud gave me a set of the metric threading gears for my lathe
. I keep thinking I? have seen on some lathes you need a different banjo
to use these gears . DO you use the stock banjo on the 9A ?

???? ??? thanks

???? ??? animal







Re: Metric threading on a 9A ?

 


mike allen?animal@...???

12:13 PM (4 minutes ago)
to?SouthBendLathe
???? ??? A bud gave me a set of the metric threading gears for my lathe
. I keep thinking I? have seen on some lathes you need a different banjo
to use these gears . DO you use the stock banjo on the 9A ?

Greetings Mike;?
If the gears were for a Southbend 9a,b,or c they will work on the banjo that you have.

Phillip R.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:13 PM mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
???? ??? A bud gave me a set of the metric threading gears for my lathe
. I keep thinking I? have seen on some lathes you need a different banjo
to use these gears . DO you use the stock banjo on the 9A ?

???? ??? thanks

???? ??? animal







Re: ER Collet nut

 

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I think you got it right, with one caveat: Abom79 was power reversing the spindle


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of mike allen <animal@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:07 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] ER Collet nut
?


On 2/15/2023 10:03 AM, mike a wrote:

??? ??? ??? I believe if you have a hand crank on the outboard spindle it will work , but I will not be able to test that theory for a couple 3 weeks. Hit return too fast .

??? ??? My thought is to

??? ??? 1 . Make your pass

??? ??? 2. Back the tool out .????

??? ??? 3. Power the lathe off leaving the halfnut engaged .

?? ???? 4 . Use the hand crank to move the carriage to original starting point? .

??? ??? 5. Rinse , repeat .

??? ??? but I could also just be pounding sand

??? ??? animal

On 2/15/2023 9:18 AM, m. allan noah wrote:
Too bad it isn't true.

allan

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 11:53 AM Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
Yes, that is the plan, anyway. ?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Rick <vwrick@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:49 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] ER Collet nut
?

Are you saying you can just disengage the half nut, hand crank the carriage back, and restart on the same number?



On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 10:58 AM, Andrei wrote:

The only difference between metric and imperial on using threading dial is that with metric you have to start ON THE SAME mark, every time.?
?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of William Nelson <wnnelson@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:55 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] ER Collet nut
?
I had that idea a while ago as I had some parts to make that would have been easier to leave in the chuck and go back and forth to the lathe and mill. I considered using carbide tooling to thread a commercial hex block as there was sufficient wall thickness for the threads. I never got around to it but it is still in the back of my mind. If I had a surface grinder making one would be much easier. I have a 10k and have used the printed gears from Ebay with great success making metric threads. I believe I saw a way to use the threading dial on you tube but never tried it. Something about using the same mark on the dial I believe but don't hold me to it.
--
Bill From Socal


--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"