Re: Sabre 34-1 1983 Centerboard Issues
Hi James,
I will rephrase. The net effect is to lesson sideslip using the lifting force generated by the symmetric profile centerboard¡¯s angle of attack.?
I will try using the mostly retracted centerboard for near following seas. I would guess thumping is much reduced as the lever arm is reduced and the contact to the centerboard case is well sternward.?
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Hi Pete,
You are welcome.?
I find my winch makes 34 turns, so happy cranking!
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Eugene & Maureen
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34-2 1987 #301
Fort Rachel Marina
Mystic, CT
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Re: Sabre 34-1 1983 Centerboard Issues
Eugene/Maureen: thanks for the feedback. Nice to know the thumping is not unique to my boat and something to be overly concerned about. I will talk to the rigger about it when I get back and see what is recommended.
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Pete Waterson
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S38-2
Oriental, NC
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Re: S386 Emergency Tiller
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On May 7, 2025, at 1:34?AM, Halcyon 362 #218 via groups.io <Halcyon362@...> wrote:
? Having used an emergency tiller in anger, on a Beneteau 50, half way to Hawaii (quadrant broke), we found that much of the crew fatigue came from keeping the emergency tiller centered over the Rudder stock.? When I got home I tested the one on my 362 and then made a bushing for the through deck fitting to keep it centered.? Made a big difference.
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Edward
Halcyon?362 - 218
Vancouver BC
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Re: Preventing kelp from blocking the raw water intake
Have read this thread with great interest and noting the differences of opinion.
Have just fitted an external strainer, and boat is now in water, so that is it for this season for sure.
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Reason for doing so is that last year on exiting an anchorage (with the inevitable harvesting of all kinds of bottom weeds) we had no water throughput and an overheated engine. Had to power off, and go over the side whilst in the middle of the main channel. Fortunately, calm waters and August warmth and little boat traffic allowed me to get away with that. Would not want to do in inclement weather.?
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Unprotected raw water inlet was totally plugged.? Our previous boat had an external strainer and over 20 years no issues with that.
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With respect to removing the inlet hose inside the boat and then opening the through-hull to clear a plug, I would be real nervous about doing that in the middle of the lake.
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The comments about barnacles growing inside though is interesting, and suggests that we may have different solutions depending on the local environment. We are in fresh water.
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Roy Little
iZula SV 402 / 61
Toronto CANADA
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Re: S386 Emergency Tiller
Having used an emergency tiller in anger, on a Beneteau 50, half way to Hawaii (quadrant broke), we found that much of the crew fatigue came from keeping the emergency tiller centered over the Rudder stock.? When I got home I tested the one on my 362 and then made a bushing for the through deck fitting to keep it centered.? Made a big difference.
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Edward
Halcyon?362 - 218
Vancouver BC
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Re: S386 Emergency Tiller
On my boat the top of the "T" handle is open pipe so I assume intended to allow you to use a boat hook or pole inserted in the "T" to allow more leverage. Also mine fixes at a 90 degree angle to the binnacle allowing a longer extension to be used without interference.
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Re: 18 hp 2002B Volvo Penta
Hi Jim, I can't speak to Volvo specifics but I recently had a very good experience with Bushings Inc building (in 2 days) mildly custom engine mounts for my Westerbeke when I couldn't find a reasonable stock part.? Assuming your mount has similar geometry of a base plate with 2 mounting holes and a rubber-mounted large vertical bolt that the engine attaches too, then likely they can make you something.? They will need the spacing between the 2 baseplate holes (hopefully 4" or 5"), the vertical bolt diameter, and the engine weight. Mine cost $92 each.? ?I spoke to Ben Slogeris who was very helpful, Ph: 248-650-0603. Bill Graves S362 #261 'Souwester' Marblehead, MA
On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 6:34?AM Jim 1980 S30, via <Lake.jim.hsl= [email protected]> wrote: Good day Folks,
I am still working on my Sabre 30 1980 and I am currently overhauling the 2002B engine, it was installed in 1992.
As any of you who have gotten within cursing distance of this engine know, parts from Volvo are stupidly priced. Parts4 engines and other suppliers are better but still expensive
?I am currently looking for engine mounts 4 and was wondering if anyone had some in good shape they would be willing to sell...I have the gearbox not the sail drive.?
Thanks.
Jim
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Jim Lake
1980 Saber 30
Halifax NS
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Class D Fire Extinguisher for LFP ?
The new LFP batteries are on board and getting connected today, along with a MultiPlus and Orion.? Solar in the next week.? In reading the user¡¯s manual for the batteries it recommends if there were to be a fire involving the batteries to ¡°use a Class D extinguisher, sand or a dry powder extinguisher.¡±? I have multiple dry powder A/B/C extinguishers.? Out of curiosity, does anyone with LFP batteries have a Class D extinguisher on board? ?? ? A quick search seemed to indicate LFP were a Class B type due to containing liquid electrolyte while Class D extinguishers were for metallic lithium and not for LFP batteries. ?The copper extinguishing agents used in some Class D were specifically not recommended for LFP batteries.? Sodium chloride Class D extinguishers were silent on LFP¡¯s.? ? Am trying to anticipate what issues the insurance underwriters may raise, and if by getting the proverbial ducks lined up may improve the process.? ? Thanks, Brian Escapade? S426 CT / LIS
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Re: S386 Emergency Tiller
Attached is a photo of my shiny-new emergency tiller made by Matt St. Cyr of Cumberland Ironworks in Durham, ME. My boat is in Norwalk, CT so I haven't tested it out yet.
Reading this thread i realize i have failed to ever test an emergency tiller. It is now high on my list of safety drills once we are back in the water. Once in flat water and once in heavier seas.
That said, i assume that using the emergency tiller would be even more challenging if the steering quadrant is intact and any tiller movements would need to rotate the rudder as well as the steering linkage and wheel. So a test would be physically harder but situationally easier (i.e. not an actual emergency). Has anyone done something like this? any additional advice beyond what has already been shared?
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Wayne
Namaste 386
Chicago, IL
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Re: Raymarine ST60+ Instruments for sale
Hello Bruce,
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I am interested in the Wind and Depth units as spares for those on my Sabre 386, like the older Raymarine gear, though getting on on years.? Do you have any of the masthead wind sensors???
In western Canada, USPS works fine, declare as used electronics, non hazardous.??
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Mike Woodward
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Re: Preventing kelp from blocking the raw water intake
Orion's external raw water strainer was attached to the seacock with two bronze screws. ?Removal was simply a matter of getting the heads clean enough to accept a screwdriver.
Dave
On Tuesday, May 6, 2025, 03:53:47 AM PDT, Roger Kuebel 362#150 Padanaram, MA via groups.io <rogerkuebel@...> wrote:
OK, I¡¯m convinced that I should remove my external strainer before launching on Thursday. ?Any tips for doing that?
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I agree with the past few posts. I was considering installing an external strainer but, after discovering a veritable Bouillabaisse nesting comfortably in my thru hull one day (literally ceasing all seawater flow) after not using the boat for a couple
of weeks, I decided against it. I keep the bottom half of a thin plastic kids fishing rod aboard as a tool to clean out the thru hull - it is useful to avoid scratching up the seacock in the process as opposed to something metal. This would all be virtually
impossible if there were an external strainer. One other small and inexpensive tip: I also keep a spare run of hose aboard, sized to fit between the thru hull and the Groco seawater strainer. Given that this particular hose receives more frequent stress due
to removal and replacement when the thru hull inevitably gets clogged once or twice per season, I figured it couldn¡¯t hurt to have a spare just in case it breaks.
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Richard Papert
S/V Zenith S402/007
Marblehead, MA
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Roger Kuebel
Restless
S362#150
Padanaram, MA
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Good day Folks,
I am still working on my Sabre 30 1980 and I am currently overhauling the 2002B engine, it was installed in 1992.
As any of you who have gotten within cursing distance of this engine know, parts from Volvo are stupidly priced. Parts4 engines and other suppliers are better but still expensive
?I am currently looking for engine mounts 4 and was wondering if anyone had some in good shape they would be willing to sell...I have the gearbox not the sail drive.?
Thanks.
Jim
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Jim Lake
1980 Saber 30
Halifax NS
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Re: Sabre 34-1 1983 Centerboard Issues
Technically, the centerboard generates lift (not lessens sideslip) upwind.? On a reach you may find that it affects yawing as it is raised from the full down position, where?it seems to act as a kind of pivot point.? When raised to just below the centerboard trunk, the center of lateral resistance?is moved up and aft, which seems to lessen the broaching force when sailing down waves. **
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Attorney & Counsellor at Law By appt. only: 4860 Cox Road, Suite 200 Glen Allen, VA 23060 804-740-6464 jameswilson29@...
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On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 7:00?AM Eugene & Maureen via <atwooder= [email protected]> wrote: Without constant lateral pressure on the centerboard, it does thump when the boat lurches. ?
the advantage of the center board is less side slip from broad reach to beat.?
down wind it is mostly extra wetted surface drag.?
crank it up on down wind legs?
couldn¡¯t say if the thumping is a wear ?mechanism. Seems like it though.?
best wishes!
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Eugene & Maureen
¡®°Õ¾±³¾±ð´Ç³Ü³Ù¡¯
34-2 1987 #301
Fort Rachel Marina
Mystic, CT
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Re: Sabre 34-1 1983 Centerboard Issues
Without constant lateral pressure on the centerboard, it does thump when the boat lurches. ?
the advantage of the center board is less side slip from broad reach to beat.?
down wind it is mostly extra wetted surface drag.?
crank it up on down wind legs?
couldn¡¯t say if the thumping is a wear ?mechanism. Seems like it though.?
best wishes!
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Eugene & Maureen
¡®°Õ¾±³¾±ð´Ç³Ü³Ù¡¯
34-2 1987 #301
Fort Rachel Marina
Mystic, CT
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Re: Preventing kelp from blocking the raw water intake
OK, I¡¯m convinced that I should remove my external strainer before launching on Thursday. ?Any tips for doing that?
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I agree with the past few posts. I was considering installing an external strainer but, after discovering a veritable Bouillabaisse nesting comfortably in my thru hull one day (literally ceasing all seawater flow) after not using the boat for a couple
of weeks, I decided against it. I keep the bottom half of a thin plastic kids fishing rod aboard as a tool to clean out the thru hull - it is useful to avoid scratching up the seacock in the process as opposed to something metal. This would all be virtually
impossible if there were an external strainer. One other small and inexpensive tip: I also keep a spare run of hose aboard, sized to fit between the thru hull and the Groco seawater strainer. Given that this particular hose receives more frequent stress due
to removal and replacement when the thru hull inevitably gets clogged once or twice per season, I figured it couldn¡¯t hurt to have a spare just in case it breaks.
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Richard Papert
S/V Zenith S402/007
Marblehead, MA
-- Roger Kuebel RestlessS362#150 Padanaram, MA
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Re: Preventing kelp from blocking the raw water intake
I agree with the past few posts. I was considering installing an external strainer but, after discovering a veritable Bouillabaisse nesting comfortably in my thru hull one day (literally ceasing all seawater flow) after not using the boat for a couple of weeks, I decided against it. I keep the bottom half of a thin plastic kids fishing rod aboard as a tool to clean out the thru hull - it is useful to avoid scratching up the seacock in the process as opposed to something metal. This would all be virtually impossible if there were an external strainer. One other small and inexpensive tip: I also keep a spare run of hose aboard, sized to fit between the thru hull and the Groco seawater strainer. Given that this particular hose receives more frequent stress due to removal and replacement when the thru hull inevitably gets clogged once or twice per season, I figured it couldn¡¯t hurt to have a spare just in case it breaks.
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Richard Papert
S/V Zenith S402/007
Marblehead, MA
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Re: Preventing kelp from blocking the raw water intake
I also removed the external strainer on Arcadia, after finding a large colony of barnacles inside it. Another change I made was to replace the square elbow on the inlet of the interior Groco strainer with a curved one, to encourage the eel grass and other detritus to make it all the way to the strainer
Ditto? Len Bertaux ? I believe it was Jim Starky who pointed out that you'd rather have a clog at the groco strainer inside the boat where you can clear it than on an outside hull fitting where you'll have to dive to clear it. I removed my external strainer. Bill Graves S362 261 'Souwester' Marblehead MA
On Sun, May 4, 2025 at 8:39?PM Tim Sowerby via <tim.sowerby2= [email protected]> wrote: David
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Would've thought!? I wonder if the Groco strainer with the access door was designed to address this?
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Tim
Tim Sowerby
White Rose S426?
Sausalito CA
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Arcadia
S402 #2
Southport CT
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Re: Preventing kelp from blocking the raw water intake
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On May 5, 2025, at 7:09?PM, Bill Graves via groups.io <elfowl77@...> wrote:
? I believe it was Jim Starky who pointed out that you'd rather have a clog at the groco strainer inside the boat where you can clear it than on an outside hull fitting where you'll have to dive to clear it. I removed my external strainer. Bill Graves S362 261 'Souwester' Marblehead MA
On Sun, May 4, 2025 at 8:39?PM Tim Sowerby via <tim.sowerby2= [email protected]> wrote: David
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Would've thought!? I wonder if the Groco strainer with the access door was designed to address this?
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Tim
Tim Sowerby
White Rose S426?
Sausalito CA
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Re: Preventing kelp from blocking the raw water intake
I believe it was Jim Starky who pointed out that you'd rather have a clog at the groco strainer inside the boat where you can clear it than on an outside hull fitting where you'll have to dive to clear it. I removed my external strainer. Bill Graves S362 261 'Souwester' Marblehead MA
On Sun, May 4, 2025 at 8:39?PM Tim Sowerby via <tim.sowerby2= [email protected]> wrote: David
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Would've thought!? I wonder if the Groco strainer with the access door was designed to address this?
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Tim
Tim Sowerby
White Rose S426?
Sausalito CA
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I have heard that some people have cut out and installed an? access panel under the cockpit sole to improve future serviceability¡ªworth considering since you have a big fix??
Anyone ever done it ??
On Sun, May 4, 2025 at 9:51?PM Tim Woodworth via <tim.woodworth= [email protected]> wrote: [Edited Message Follows]
The old stuff box tube looked old and original so decided to replace it.? ? Turned the stuffing box tube and the working end of the shaft log broke off.? The fiberglass was delaminated and infiltrated which caused the break.? ?Damn good thing this did not happen in the water.? ?Would have sunk the boat.
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Hole saw and sawzall took care of the old tube.? ?Now replacing.? ?Has anyone done this work?? CatalinaOwners group sells Centek tubes.? Think I need 1 3/4 OD which they don't seem to list.
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Tim
Sabre 34 -1 , 284
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Serenity
Rockland ME
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Pete Waterson
David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME
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Bill Graves
Stafford Soule
Jim 1980 S30,
James Wilson
Jim Harman
Len Bertaux
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