Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
Re chain plates
We rebedded our chain plates last year before crossing to Hawaii. There were no symptoms except age and we thought it prudent considering the 6 month cruising on open ocean we had planned . It took one day not counting drying time of the life caulk. We
waited one day to reattach shrouds and checked bolt torque of the reattached shrouds. ?This gave great peace of mind in the ocean. We were confirmed again of the great design and built of this boat- no dry rot but the old sealant needed renewing. As our boats
get older they need proactive love or the age will show up when least desired. ?
Velina
Second Wind
Sabre 426
Oakland, Ca
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On Feb 27, 2025, at 7:47?AM, damian.greene via groups.io <damian.greene@...> wrote:
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I was early on this thread. Coming back with a word of caution.?
! too got 12 months notice from Geico (to submit the survey by my renewal date in July 2025). Remember it's not just the survey. Geico have to sign off on it, and will want any "significant" items (in their judgment, not necessarily
as categorized by the surveyor) rectified?with documentation of repair submitted and approved by Geico, before they will renew
the policy. I got the survey done when I hauled the boat last September. Good job too. There was nothing major, but there were a few minor items that I set up to get taken care of over the winter, rather than get down to the wire with having to get these done
close to the renewal date.
What threw me - and I may have been unlucky with a particular adjuster - was that Geico added a requirement for removal and dye-penetrant testing of all the chainplates. This without any indication of stress-corrosion cracking.
Our chainplates are pretty substantial. That was getting to be a major undertaking. Hence my shift to Progressive.
So bottom line - get your survey done early and submitted to Geico, so you know what you're dealing with.
Damian Greene
Sabre 38-1 Freefall
Bass Harbor ME
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On Thursday, February 27, 2025 at 05:25:04 PM GMT, LRG via groups.io <lgridley@...> wrote:
I had a similar experience with Geico. Hauling is not required and I have until my annual renewal in December to get the survey done. This is the first time in 8 years since I started with Geico that they've required a survey so I'm not too bothered by
it.
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
I was early on this thread. Coming back with a word of caution.?
! too got 12 months notice from Geico (to submit the survey by my renewal date in July 2025). Remember it's not just the survey. Geico have to sign off on it, and will want any "significant" items (in their judgment, not necessarily as categorized by the surveyor) rectified?with documentation of repair submitted and approved by Geico, before they will renew the policy. I got the survey done when I hauled the boat last September. Good job too. There was nothing major, but there were a few minor items that I set up to get taken care of over the winter, rather than get down to the wire with having to get these done close to the renewal date.
What threw me - and I may have been unlucky with a particular adjuster - was that Geico added a requirement for removal and dye-penetrant testing of all the chainplates. This without any indication of stress-corrosion cracking. Our chainplates are pretty substantial. That was getting to be a major undertaking. Hence my shift to Progressive.
So bottom line - get your survey done early and submitted to Geico, so you know what you're dealing with.
Damian Greene Sabre 38-1 Freefall Bass Harbor ME
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On Thursday, February 27, 2025 at 05:25:04 PM GMT, LRG via groups.io <lgridley@...> wrote:
I had a similar experience with Geico. Hauling is not required and I have until my annual renewal in December to get the survey done. This is the first time in 8 years since I started with Geico that they've required a survey so I'm not too bothered by it.
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
I had a similar experience with Geico. Hauling is not required and I have until my annual renewal in December to get the survey done. This is the first time in 8 years since I started with Geico that they've required a survey so I'm not too bothered by it.
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Starlink and specifically spacex also benefit from being just perfectly fine with a outcome?on their risk board.? Which I suppose would get us a lot closer to Mr. Wilson's preferred, purer voyaging of yesteryear.? ? Personally, I too am a purist -- I only sail with british third sons that I bonk on head at taverns as crew.? It's all been downhill since they figured out antiscorbutics.
On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 11:13?AM Peter Tollini via <sabre30= [email protected]> wrote: Jim
Thanks for the analysis of Starlink's advantage. I had not thought about it before but you are spot on. It's not the hardware or software but the cheap (relatively) reusable and reliable delivery system, which has shown advantages well beyond satellite internet.
Having worked at major hospitals, I also agree with Velina's analogy. I have met brilliant surgeons who are arrogant and obnoxious and others, who were equally brilliant, but humble and gracious. I'll add that since you will be unconcious. their personality or lack thereof doesn't matter unless it interferes with the functionality of their team. Otherwise, only their results matter.??
Pete
On February 27, 2025, at 10:40 AM, "Jim Starkey via " <Jim=[email protected]> wrote:
Lets us not forget that Iridium went bankrupt, which wiped out
the $4 billion in debt for startup expenses.? It was bought out of
bankruptcy for $25 million.? It announced it was going to de-orbit
the constellation but didn't.
What makes Starlink viable SpaceX's very inexpensive launches.?
But what makes SpaceX's launches so cheap with reusable rockets.?
And what makes the rockets reusable is a family of throttleable
liquid fuel engine, which is quite a difficult trick of
engineering.
A satellite constellation dependent on non-reusable booster will
never be able to compete economically with Starlink.? Don't hold
your breath waiting.
Musk didn't invent any of this -- or any of the other
technologies in his companies.? He hires damn smart people, gives
them minimal funding, and holds their feet to the fire.? He does
get in deep enough to understand that critical problems and the
possible pathways to solutions then makes his bets.
No matter what you think of Musk, Starlink is human civilization
game changer.? It provides communication to remote regions and
rural areas, provides instant communications to disaster areas,
and without which the Ukrainian army would have collapsed years
ago.
On 2/27/2025 12:19 AM, Dan Grossman via
wrote:
Iridium. Teledesic never left the drawing board.
And a lot of Iridium technology came from national security
progams that pioneered LEO satellites.?
?
Musk was not the first w the idea. ?
Teledesic developed this concept years ago. Costs have
declined. ?
Eventually Starlink will run into congestion and rate
increases.?
It¡¯s throw away equipment.?
I comprehend the benefits for live and work aboard while
cruising.? I¡¯m more interested in the ubiquitous coverage of
AST Mobile that will soon be available. ?
Please
consider the environment before printing this
email. Thank you.
?
As an emigre I try to keep a tight rein on
political opinion, but by the sounds of this thread
there is an awful lot of buyers remorse going around
right now.
It is the Information Age and Musk has
revolutionized access to the Internet. I just wish
engineers would stick to engineering!
--
Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
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Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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Garver Moore
Sabre 28 Mk III # 546
S/V Enthusiast
North Carolina
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Jim
Thanks for the analysis of Starlink's advantage. I had not thought about it before but you are spot on. It's not the hardware or software but the cheap (relatively) reusable and reliable delivery system, which has shown advantages well beyond satellite internet.
Having worked at major hospitals, I also agree with Velina's analogy. I have met brilliant surgeons who are arrogant and obnoxious and others, who were equally brilliant, but humble and gracious. I'll add that since you will be unconcious. their personality or lack thereof doesn't matter unless it interferes with the functionality of their team. Otherwise, only their results matter.??
Pete
On February 27, 2025, at 10:40 AM, "Jim Starkey via groups.io" <Jim@...> wrote:
Lets us not forget that Iridium went bankrupt, which wiped out
the $4 billion in debt for startup expenses.? It was bought out of
bankruptcy for $25 million.? It announced it was going to de-orbit
the constellation but didn't.
What makes Starlink viable SpaceX's very inexpensive launches.?
But what makes SpaceX's launches so cheap with reusable rockets.?
And what makes the rockets reusable is a family of throttleable
liquid fuel engine, which is quite a difficult trick of
engineering.
A satellite constellation dependent on non-reusable booster will
never be able to compete economically with Starlink.? Don't hold
your breath waiting.
Musk didn't invent any of this -- or any of the other
technologies in his companies.? He hires damn smart people, gives
them minimal funding, and holds their feet to the fire.? He does
get in deep enough to understand that critical problems and the
possible pathways to solutions then makes his bets.
No matter what you think of Musk, Starlink is human civilization
game changer.? It provides communication to remote regions and
rural areas, provides instant communications to disaster areas,
and without which the Ukrainian army would have collapsed years
ago.
On 2/27/2025 12:19 AM, Dan Grossman via
wrote:
Iridium. Teledesic never left the drawing board.
And a lot of Iridium technology came from national security
progams that pioneered LEO satellites.?
?
Musk was not the first w the idea. ?
Teledesic developed this concept years ago. Costs have
declined. ?
Eventually Starlink will run into congestion and rate
increases.?
It¡¯s throw away equipment.?
I comprehend the benefits for live and work aboard while
cruising. ?I¡¯m more interested in the ubiquitous coverage of
AST Mobile that will soon be available. ?
Please
consider the environment before printing this
email. Thank you.
?
As an emigre I try to keep a tight rein on
political opinion, but by the sounds of this thread
there is an awful lot of buyers remorse going around
right now.
It is the Information Age and Musk has
revolutionized access to the Internet. I just wish
engineers would stick to engineering!
--
Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
--
Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
I can't possibly forget. Lost a lot of
money when MOT stock took the hit for that. It was an amazing
technical and engineering management success, even though it was a
market failure. Supposedly, New Iridium, which bought out original
Iridium, had backing from the US Intelligence budget. State
Department and the intelligence agencies had gotten dependent on
it.
We're way, way, off-topic here, so I'll
resist the temptation to add more of the back story to this
thread.? Maybe we'll meet up in a bar somewhere....
On 2/27/2025 10:40 AM, Jim Starkey
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Lets us not forget that Iridium went bankrupt, which wiped out
the $4 billion in debt for startup expenses.? It was bought out
of bankruptcy for $25 million.? It announced it was going to
de-orbit the constellation but didn't.
What makes Starlink viable SpaceX's very inexpensive launches.?
But what makes SpaceX's launches so cheap with reusable
rockets.? And what makes the rockets reusable is a family of
throttleable liquid fuel engine, which is quite a difficult
trick of engineering.
A satellite constellation dependent on non-reusable booster
will never be able to compete economically with Starlink.? Don't
hold your breath waiting.
Musk didn't invent any of this -- or any of the other
technologies in his companies.? He hires damn smart people,
gives them minimal funding, and holds their feet to the fire.?
He does get in deep enough to understand that critical problems
and the possible pathways to solutions then makes his bets.
No matter what you think of Musk, Starlink is human
civilization game changer.? It provides communication to remote
regions and rural areas, provides instant communications to
disaster areas, and without which the Ukrainian army would have
collapsed years ago.
On 2/27/2025 12:19 AM, Dan Grossman
via groups.io wrote:
Iridium. Teledesic never left the drawing board.
And a lot of Iridium technology came from national security
progams that pioneered LEO satellites.?
?
Musk was not the first w the idea. ?
Teledesic developed this concept years ago. Costs have
declined. ?
Eventually Starlink will run into congestion and rate
increases.?
It¡¯s throw away equipment.?
I comprehend the benefits for live and work aboard
while cruising. ?I¡¯m more interested in the ubiquitous
coverage of AST Mobile that will soon be available. ?
Please
consider the environment before printing
this email. Thank you.
?
As an emigre I try to keep a tight rein on
political opinion, but by the sounds of this thread
there is an awful lot of buyers remorse going around
right now.
It is the Information Age and Musk has
revolutionized access to the Internet. I just wish
engineers would stick to engineering!
--
Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
--
Jim Starkey, AmorphousDB, LLC
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Yes. ?Market failure. ?Sold for a $0.01/$. ?
I think by DOD. Long time ago. ?
And yes Musk is no genius but has $$. ?
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On Feb 27, 2025, at 7:40?AM, Jim Starkey via groups.io <Jim@...> wrote:
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Lets us not forget that Iridium went bankrupt, which wiped out
the $4 billion in debt for startup expenses.? It was bought out of
bankruptcy for $25 million.? It announced it was going to de-orbit
the constellation but didn't.
What makes Starlink viable SpaceX's very inexpensive launches.?
But what makes SpaceX's launches so cheap with reusable rockets.?
And what makes the rockets reusable is a family of throttleable
liquid fuel engine, which is quite a difficult trick of
engineering.
A satellite constellation dependent on non-reusable booster will
never be able to compete economically with Starlink.? Don't hold
your breath waiting.
Musk didn't invent any of this -- or any of the other
technologies in his companies.? He hires damn smart people, gives
them minimal funding, and holds their feet to the fire.? He does
get in deep enough to understand that critical problems and the
possible pathways to solutions then makes his bets.
No matter what you think of Musk, Starlink is human civilization
game changer.? It provides communication to remote regions and
rural areas, provides instant communications to disaster areas,
and without which the Ukrainian army would have collapsed years
ago.
On 2/27/2025 12:19 AM, Dan Grossman via
groups.io wrote:
Iridium. Teledesic never left the drawing board.
And a lot of Iridium technology came from national security
progams that pioneered LEO satellites.?
?
Musk was not the first w the idea. ?
Teledesic developed this concept years ago. Costs have
declined. ?
Eventually Starlink will run into congestion and rate
increases.?
It¡¯s throw away equipment.?
I comprehend the benefits for live and work aboard while
cruising. ?I¡¯m more interested in the ubiquitous coverage of
AST Mobile that will soon be available. ?
Please
consider the environment before printing this
email. Thank you.
?
As an emigre I try to keep a tight rein on
political opinion, but by the sounds of this thread
there is an awful lot of buyers remorse going around
right now.
It is the Information Age and Musk has
revolutionized access to the Internet. I just wish
engineers would stick to engineering!
--
Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
--
Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
|
Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Lets us not forget that Iridium went bankrupt, which wiped out
the $4 billion in debt for startup expenses.? It was bought out of
bankruptcy for $25 million.? It announced it was going to de-orbit
the constellation but didn't.
What makes Starlink viable SpaceX's very inexpensive launches.?
But what makes SpaceX's launches so cheap with reusable rockets.?
And what makes the rockets reusable is a family of throttleable
liquid fuel engine, which is quite a difficult trick of
engineering.
A satellite constellation dependent on non-reusable booster will
never be able to compete economically with Starlink.? Don't hold
your breath waiting.
Musk didn't invent any of this -- or any of the other
technologies in his companies.? He hires damn smart people, gives
them minimal funding, and holds their feet to the fire.? He does
get in deep enough to understand that critical problems and the
possible pathways to solutions then makes his bets.
No matter what you think of Musk, Starlink is human civilization
game changer.? It provides communication to remote regions and
rural areas, provides instant communications to disaster areas,
and without which the Ukrainian army would have collapsed years
ago.
On 2/27/2025 12:19 AM, Dan Grossman via
groups.io wrote:
Iridium. Teledesic never left the drawing board.
And a lot of Iridium technology came from national security
progams that pioneered LEO satellites.?
?
Musk was not the first w the idea. ?
Teledesic developed this concept years ago. Costs have
declined. ?
Eventually Starlink will run into congestion and rate
increases.?
It¡¯s throw away equipment.?
I comprehend the benefits for live and work aboard while
cruising. ?I¡¯m more interested in the ubiquitous coverage of
AST Mobile that will soon be available. ?
Please
consider the environment before printing this
email. Thank you.
?
As an emigre I try to keep a tight rein on
political opinion, but by the sounds of this thread
there is an awful lot of buyers remorse going around
right now.
It is the Information Age and Musk has
revolutionized access to the Internet. I just wish
engineers would stick to engineering!
--
Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
--
Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
|
Re: Alternatives to Starlink
True. ?Teledesic suffered from the Iridium market failure as did others. ?
I also worked on the Ellipso project. ?A potential partnership w Boeing that was also terminated. ?
That was 27 years ago.?
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On Feb 26, 2025, at 11:31?PM, Dan Grossman via groups.io <ldg004@...> wrote:
? I was there, too. ?Worked for Motorola. Part of the critical design review team. True, Teledesic was supposed to be more advanced¡ can¡¯t remember the details, other than the fact that it did ¡°data¡±, while Iridium was voice and text only. But Iridium got into commercial service and Teledesic did not. On Feb 27, 2025, at 01:25, Tony Billera via groups.io <tony.billera@...> wrote:
? I was there. ?Worked at McCaw, Boeing Space&Comm. ?and visited Teledesic. I¡¯m familiar.?
The concept was much further developed than Iridium.?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
On Feb 26, 2025, at 9:40?PM, Dan Grossman via groups.io <ldg004@...> wrote:
? Iridium. Teledesic never left the drawing board. And a lot of Iridium technology came from national security progams that pioneered LEO satellites.? On Feb 26, 2025, at 19:58, Tony Billera via groups.io <tony.billera@...> wrote:
? Musk was not the first w the idea. ?
Teledesic developed this concept years ago. Costs have declined. ?
Eventually Starlink will run into congestion and rate increases.?
It¡¯s throw away equipment.?
I comprehend the benefits for live and work aboard while cruising. ?I¡¯m more interested in the ubiquitous coverage of AST Mobile that will soon be available. ?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
On Feb 26, 2025, at 4:19?PM, Pete Waterson via groups.io <peterjwaterson@...> wrote:
? As an emigre I try to keep a tight rein on political opinion, but by the sounds of this thread there is an awful lot of buyers remorse going around right now.
It is the Information Age and Musk has revolutionized access to the Internet. I just wish engineers would stick to engineering!
--
Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
Hi all,? After getting a letter from Geico, requiring an acceptable condition and valuation survey prior to my next renewal, I decided to call Geico.? I did, they said it¡¯s not necessary to haul boat out for that survey. Also said the report is not due until 3/17/26, next year!?
So I'll start the process now, get a surveyor near Galesville Md. I have a list of 4 surveyors that were recommended to me by friends. Nancy Rybicki 1978?34'?SABRE Galesville, MD
On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 7:00?AM Steve Madden via <maddensteve549= [email protected]> wrote: Had the same survey requirement from Geico. I did the United Marine Insurance on line application as someone suggested. I listed the value as $25000. (my 2019 survey said $27500). Asked for $500,000 liability. They did not provide an immediate quote saying it would have to be reviewed. They responded the next day quoting $1750 about 2.5 time more than I am paying with Geico.
Checking out Progressive next.
?
Steve Madden
Sojourn
1986 S30-3
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
Had the same survey requirement from Geico. I did the United Marine Insurance on line application as someone suggested. I listed the value as $25000. (my 2019 survey said $27500). Asked for $500,000 liability. They did not provide an immediate quote saying it would have to be reviewed. They responded the next day quoting $1750 about 2.5 time more than I am paying with Geico.
Checking out Progressive next.
?
Steve Madden
Sojourn
1986 S30-3
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
I was there, too. ?Worked for Motorola. Part of the critical design review team. True, Teledesic was supposed to be more advanced¡ can¡¯t remember the details, other than the fact that it did ¡°data¡±, while Iridium was voice and text only. But Iridium got into commercial service and Teledesic did not.
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On Feb 27, 2025, at 01:25, Tony Billera via groups.io <tony.billera@...> wrote:
? I was there. ?Worked at McCaw, Boeing Space&Comm. ?and visited Teledesic. I¡¯m familiar.?
The concept was much further developed than Iridium.?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
On Feb 26, 2025, at 9:40?PM, Dan Grossman via groups.io <ldg004@...> wrote:
? Iridium. Teledesic never left the drawing board. And a lot of Iridium technology came from national security progams that pioneered LEO satellites.? On Feb 26, 2025, at 19:58, Tony Billera via groups.io <tony.billera@...> wrote:
? Musk was not the first w the idea. ?
Teledesic developed this concept years ago. Costs have declined. ?
Eventually Starlink will run into congestion and rate increases.?
It¡¯s throw away equipment.?
I comprehend the benefits for live and work aboard while cruising. ?I¡¯m more interested in the ubiquitous coverage of AST Mobile that will soon be available. ?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
On Feb 26, 2025, at 4:19?PM, Pete Waterson via groups.io <peterjwaterson@...> wrote:
? As an emigre I try to keep a tight rein on political opinion, but by the sounds of this thread there is an awful lot of buyers remorse going around right now.
It is the Information Age and Musk has revolutionized access to the Internet. I just wish engineers would stick to engineering!
--
Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
|
Re: Alternatives to Starlink
I was there. ?Worked at McCaw, Boeing Space&Comm. ?and visited Teledesic. I¡¯m familiar.?
The concept was much further developed than Iridium.?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
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On Feb 26, 2025, at 9:40?PM, Dan Grossman via groups.io <ldg004@...> wrote:
? Iridium. Teledesic never left the drawing board. And a lot of Iridium technology came from national security progams that pioneered LEO satellites.? On Feb 26, 2025, at 19:58, Tony Billera via groups.io <tony.billera@...> wrote:
? Musk was not the first w the idea. ?
Teledesic developed this concept years ago. Costs have declined. ?
Eventually Starlink will run into congestion and rate increases.?
It¡¯s throw away equipment.?
I comprehend the benefits for live and work aboard while cruising. ?I¡¯m more interested in the ubiquitous coverage of AST Mobile that will soon be available. ?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
On Feb 26, 2025, at 4:19?PM, Pete Waterson via groups.io <peterjwaterson@...> wrote:
? As an emigre I try to keep a tight rein on political opinion, but by the sounds of this thread there is an awful lot of buyers remorse going around right now.
It is the Information Age and Musk has revolutionized access to the Internet. I just wish engineers would stick to engineering!
--
Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
|
Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Iridium. Teledesic never left the drawing board. And a lot of Iridium technology came from national security progams that pioneered LEO satellites.?
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On Feb 26, 2025, at 19:58, Tony Billera via groups.io <tony.billera@...> wrote:
? Musk was not the first w the idea. ?
Teledesic developed this concept years ago. Costs have declined. ?
Eventually Starlink will run into congestion and rate increases.?
It¡¯s throw away equipment.?
I comprehend the benefits for live and work aboard while cruising. ?I¡¯m more interested in the ubiquitous coverage of AST Mobile that will soon be available. ?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
On Feb 26, 2025, at 4:19?PM, Pete Waterson via groups.io <peterjwaterson@...> wrote:
? As an emigre I try to keep a tight rein on political opinion, but by the sounds of this thread there is an awful lot of buyers remorse going around right now.
It is the Information Age and Musk has revolutionized access to the Internet. I just wish engineers would stick to engineering!
--
Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
|
Re: Electric Head with Macerator
Just installed a Sea Era on a 362 with fresh and slat water flush. ?Can confirm the base will rotate 90 degrees
?
Beware though that if you rotate 90 counter clockwise, there is a small amount of pluming that protrudes off the base, into the footwell.?
The macerator is a little loud, but it¡¯s tough?
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Zach
1995 Sabre 362
Houston, TX
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Re: Electric Head with Macerator
I should have also mentioned there are dual check valves isolating the fresh water from back flowing into the water tanks and the Smart Control key pad is very user friendly. ?Whatever brand you decide upon, the admiral and the crew will love the upgrade.
Don Fleming
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Tim,?
FYI, The SeaEra Toilet I installed allows for the macerator base to be rotated 90? in three directions. ?The Sea Water Models do have an anti-syphon valve (Series 188A, 288A, N388 and LF188A, LF288A, LFN388) as well as a shut off valve and a remote seawater
pump with separate filter/strainer. ?The Pressurized Fresh Water Model does not need the above items because it operates by way of the boat¡¯s pressure water system.
I¡¯m not?sure if it will fit in the 38 MkII, but the platform in the 38 MkI has a somewhat narrow depth where the unit fit well with no modification other than moving screw holes approximately1/4¨C1/2¡±.
The overboard discharge capability is independent of the operation of the toilet unit in any of its various configurations. ?Waste is macerated at the toilet base prior to being pumped to the holding tank.
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River
Thanks Don,
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This is specific to the 38-II as the foot print is limited and I am wondering if you can mount the macerator 90 degrees to the bowl.
I think you can from what I have read online but wanted to see if anybody has done it yet.
?
It could possibly be hooked to starlink only for "flush mode" :-)
?
I won't be able to flush overboard as the boat is now compliant for the great lakes - I removed the y valve and it will only flush to the holding tank.
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There is also no anti-siphon valve on the intake hose which I find strange.? I will be installing one.
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Tim R
38MKII in refit
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Re: Electric Head with Macerator
Tim,?
FYI, The SeaEra Toilet I installed allows for the macerator base to be rotated 90? in three directions. ?The Sea Water Models do have an anti-syphon valve (Series 188A, 288A, N388 and LF188A, LF288A, LFN388) as well as a shut off valve and a remote seawater
pump with separate filter/strainer. ?The Pressurized Fresh Water Model does not need the above items because it operates by way of the boat¡¯s pressure water system.
I¡¯m not?sure if it will fit in the 38 MkII, but the platform in the 38 MkI has a somewhat narrow depth where
the unit fit well with no modification other than moving screw holes approximately1/4¨C1/2¡±.
The overboard discharge capability is independent of the operation of the toilet unit in any of its various configurations. ?Waste is macerated at the toilet base prior to being pumped to the holding tank.
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1 #77
Hudson River
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Thanks Don,
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This is specific to the 38-II as the foot print is limited and I am wondering if you can mount the macerator 90 degrees to the bowl.
I think you can from what I have read online but wanted to see if anybody has done it yet.
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It could possibly be hooked to starlink only for "flush mode" :-)
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I won't be able to flush overboard as the boat is now compliant for the great lakes - I removed the y valve and it will only flush to the holding tank.
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There is also no anti-siphon valve on the intake hose which I find strange.? I will be installing one.
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Tim R
38MKII in refit
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Musk was not the first w the idea. ?
Teledesic developed this concept years ago. Costs have declined. ?
Eventually Starlink will run into congestion and rate increases.?
It¡¯s throw away equipment.?
I comprehend the benefits for live and work aboard while cruising. ?I¡¯m more interested in the ubiquitous coverage of AST Mobile that will soon be available. ?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
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On Feb 26, 2025, at 4:19?PM, Pete Waterson via groups.io <peterjwaterson@...> wrote:
? As an emigre I try to keep a tight rein on political opinion, but by the sounds of this thread there is an awful lot of buyers remorse going around right now.
It is the Information Age and Musk has revolutionized access to the Internet. I just wish engineers would stick to engineering!
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Pete Waterson
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S38-2
Oriental, NC
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
As an emigre I try to keep a tight rein on political opinion, but by the sounds of this thread there is an awful lot of buyers remorse going around right now.
It is the Information Age and Musk has revolutionized access to the Internet. I just wish engineers would stick to engineering!
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Pete Waterson
¡°°ä³ó²¹°ù»å´Ç²Ô²Ô²¹²â¡±
S38-2
Oriental, NC
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Flat seas, fog. Even saw a fogbow near sunset. The Gen 3 is not designed to articulate, it is a bit larger and has a wide field of view than the Gen 2. Our power consumption runs about 4.5 to 5a @12v.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Feb 26, 2025, at 11:29?AM, Jim Starkey via groups.io <Jim@...> wrote:
What were the sea conditions?? We found that acquisition was time
consuming or even impossible with rough seas, though once
acquired, we never lost the connection. My guest, for the gen 2 at least, the startup phase where the
dish is rapidly looking around for satellite, doesn't like the
least bit on instability.? But once it has an internal satellite
map, it knows exactly where to look.? [The Starlink secret sauce
is that rather than moving antenna, it electronically steers a
number of transmitting elements.]
On 2/26/2025 11:15 AM, David Lochner
via groups.io wrote:
We lost it crossing from Nova Scotia to Mount Desert Island Maine.
?We expect to lose service when we cross over to the Bahamas.
?Interesting that you had service 49 nm from shore. I¡¯m not sure
how Starlink computes the offshore distance. Then again they are
forever changing plans and coverages.
j
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Feb 26, 2025, at 10:55?AM, Allison Lehman via
groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave when we went to Haida Gwai we had
service for about 49 miles offshore. ?That particular
crossing that we chose was the shortest, 86 nm.
?Service came back on about 5 miles from the island
Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
510 912-5800 cell
510 860-4640 fax
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We have a Gen 3 with a 12v to 54v DC converter and
the Roam plan. Works well within ~12 miles of
shore. ?Outside of that limit there is a per
gigabyte rate that you can opt into until retiring
to shore.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Feb 25, 2025, at 9:35?PM, Scott
Johnson via groups.io
<socarrat99@...>
wrote:
I also need starlink to work from
the boat in the San Juans and Gulf
Islands this summer.? Of those of you
who use Starlink do you use the
standard or the mini? Thanks,
?
Scott Johnson
Socarrat - S362, #136
Gig Harbor, WA
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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Jim Starkey
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Pete Waterson