Re: Alternatives to Starlink
As an emigre I try to keep a tight rein on political opinion, but by the sounds of this thread there is an awful lot of buyers remorse going around right now.
It is the Information Age and Musk has revolutionized access to the Internet. I just wish engineers would stick to engineering!
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Flat seas, fog. Even saw a fogbow near sunset. The Gen 3 is not designed to articulate, it is a bit larger and has a wide field of view than the Gen 2. Our power consumption runs about 4.5 to 5a @12v.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Feb 26, 2025, at 11:29?AM, Jim Starkey via groups.io <Jim@...> wrote:
What were the sea conditions?? We found that acquisition was time
consuming or even impossible with rough seas, though once
acquired, we never lost the connection. My guest, for the gen 2 at least, the startup phase where the
dish is rapidly looking around for satellite, doesn't like the
least bit on instability.? But once it has an internal satellite
map, it knows exactly where to look.? [The Starlink secret sauce
is that rather than moving antenna, it electronically steers a
number of transmitting elements.]
On 2/26/2025 11:15 AM, David Lochner
via groups.io wrote:
We lost it crossing from Nova Scotia to Mount Desert Island Maine.
?We expect to lose service when we cross over to the Bahamas.
?Interesting that you had service 49 nm from shore. I¡¯m not sure
how Starlink computes the offshore distance. Then again they are
forever changing plans and coverages.
j
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Feb 26, 2025, at 10:55?AM, Allison Lehman via
groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave when we went to Haida Gwai we had
service for about 49 miles offshore. ?That particular
crossing that we chose was the shortest, 86 nm.
?Service came back on about 5 miles from the island
Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
510 912-5800 cell
510 860-4640 fax
?
We have a Gen 3 with a 12v to 54v DC converter and
the Roam plan. Works well within ~12 miles of
shore. ?Outside of that limit there is a per
gigabyte rate that you can opt into until retiring
to shore.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Feb 25, 2025, at 9:35?PM, Scott
Johnson via groups.io
<socarrat99@...>
wrote:
I also need starlink to work from
the boat in the San Juans and Gulf
Islands this summer.? Of those of you
who use Starlink do you use the
standard or the mini? Thanks,
?
Scott Johnson
Socarrat - S362, #136
Gig Harbor, WA
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Jim you can program the dish to go flat. ?We have found that position to be rock solid and also less of an energy hog. ?As for that crossing we waited for modest conditions as that can be a very treacherous area if the seas kick up. ? The other thing up in British Columbia is you don¡¯t sail in the dark due to the floating and submerged logs. They could wreck your day.
We usually connect pretty quickly, but candidly, with lithium and solar we leave it on most of the time. ?We almost always are motoring near the end of a passage as well so that helps our battery bank along wit hour 170 amp alternator.
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On Feb 26, 2025, at 8:29?AM, Jim Starkey via groups.io <Jim@...> wrote:
What were the sea conditions?? We found that acquisition was time
consuming or even impossible with rough seas, though once
acquired, we never lost the connection. My guest, for the gen 2 at least, the startup phase where the
dish is rapidly looking around for satellite, doesn't like the
least bit on instability.? But once it has an internal satellite
map, it knows exactly where to look.? [The Starlink secret sauce
is that rather than moving antenna, it electronically steers a
number of transmitting elements.]
On 2/26/2025 11:15 AM, David Lochner
via groups.io wrote:
We lost it crossing from Nova Scotia to Mount Desert Island Maine.
?We expect to lose service when we cross over to the Bahamas.
?Interesting that you had service 49 nm from shore. I¡¯m not sure
how Starlink computes the offshore distance. Then again they are
forever changing plans and coverages.
j
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Feb 26, 2025, at 10:55?AM, Allison Lehman via
groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave when we went to Haida Gwai we had
service for about 49 miles offshore. ?That particular
crossing that we chose was the shortest, 86 nm.
?Service came back on about 5 miles from the island
Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
510 912-5800 cell
510 860-4640 fax
?
We have a Gen 3 with a 12v to 54v DC converter and
the Roam plan. Works well within ~12 miles of
shore. ?Outside of that limit there is a per
gigabyte rate that you can opt into until retiring
to shore.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Feb 25, 2025, at 9:35?PM, Scott
Johnson via groups.io
<socarrat99@...>
wrote:
I also need starlink to work from
the boat in the San Juans and Gulf
Islands this summer.? Of those of you
who use Starlink do you use the
standard or the mini? Thanks,
?
Scott Johnson
Socarrat - S362, #136
Gig Harbor, WA
--
Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
--
Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
--
Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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On Feb 26, 2025, at 7:28?AM, Tim Rivard via groups.io <tarivard@...> wrote:
? Hi Jay,
?
Hempel has been around for many decades.? They are a major supplier to the commercial shipping and offshore sector and have a full range of paints.
?
I am wondering if the sales rep mentioned "silicone" - there are a number of new products on the market that use this as a "fouling release" coating.
I believe that Delos tried a similar product on their boat but not sure of the long term outcome.
?
I worked on a number of coating research projects that included using fluoropolymers, PTFE additives, silicones and siloxanes.? I could never really find something that was a perfect solution although the fluoropolymers showed promise.? This is 25 years ago now.
?
Selectope (developed in Sweden) is likely the most promising technology available right now as far as I know.? Pettit has the rights to the product as an additive to their bottom paints and I believe they are waiting on EPA approval for use in US waters.? The EU has approved it so I expect it should be available soon.
?
I would avoid silicone based paints on your boat (in my opinion) as they may be challenging to remove in the long run and make it difficult to switch to another coating.
?
Tim R
38MKII in refit
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Jay Flynn
¡°Elizabeth Belle¡±
Sabre 362
1999 #212
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
It is much cheaper and it gives you internet as well as VOIP.?
For example something is broken and you need a schematic to understand the issue¡internet. ?If somebody gets hurt and you don¡¯t know how to deal with it¡internet. The you use the VOIP your phone number shows up so if you are making an emergency call to someone they will see your number and be more likely to pick up¡hopefully!
If you are coastal cruising that is one thing. ?If offshore that is another.
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On Feb 26, 2025, at 8:38?AM, Jonathan Ganz via groups.io <jganz@...> wrote:
So, how is starlink better than an Iridium phone when dealing with an emergency? I guess there are outlier cases when that's true, but it seems like if the starlink is there for an "emergency," it's not really needed. If it's there for work or entertainment, then fine. I'm certainly no luddite, but I'm also not interested in more technology when it really isn't needed. It becomes a distraction.
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
So, how is starlink better than an Iridium phone when dealing with an emergency? I guess there are outlier cases when that's true, but it seems like if the starlink is there for an "emergency," it's not really needed. If it's there for work or entertainment, then fine. I'm certainly no luddite, but I'm also not interested in more technology when it really isn't needed. It becomes a distraction.
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
What were the sea conditions?? We found that acquisition was time
consuming or even impossible with rough seas, though once
acquired, we never lost the connection.
My guest, for the gen 2 at least, the startup phase where the
dish is rapidly looking around for satellite, doesn't like the
least bit on instability.? But once it has an internal satellite
map, it knows exactly where to look.? [The Starlink secret sauce
is that rather than moving antenna, it electronically steers a
number of transmitting elements.]
On 2/26/2025 11:15 AM, David Lochner
via groups.io wrote:
We lost it crossing from Nova Scotia to Mount Desert Island Maine.
?We expect to lose service when we cross over to the Bahamas.
?Interesting that you had service 49 nm from shore. I¡¯m not sure
how Starlink computes the offshore distance. Then again they are
forever changing plans and coverages.
j
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Feb 26, 2025, at 10:55?AM, Allison Lehman via
groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave when we went to Haida Gwai we had
service for about 49 miles offshore. ?That particular
crossing that we chose was the shortest, 86 nm.
?Service came back on about 5 miles from the island
Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
510 912-5800 cell
510 860-4640 fax
?
We have a Gen 3 with a 12v to 54v DC converter and
the Roam plan. Works well within ~12 miles of
shore. ?Outside of that limit there is a per
gigabyte rate that you can opt into until retiring
to shore.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Feb 25, 2025, at 9:35?PM, Scott
Johnson via groups.io
<socarrat99@...>
wrote:
I also need starlink to work from
the boat in the San Juans and Gulf
Islands this summer.? Of those of you
who use Starlink do you use the
standard or the mini? Thanks,
?
Scott Johnson
Socarrat - S362, #136
Gig Harbor, WA
--
Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
--
Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
We lost it crossing from Nova Scotia to Mount Desert Island Maine. ?We expect to lose service when we cross over to the Bahamas. ?Interesting that you had service 49 nm from shore. I¡¯m not sure how Starlink computes the offshore distance. Then again they are forever changing plans and coverages.
j
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Feb 26, 2025, at 10:55?AM, Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave when we went to Haida Gwai we had service for about 49 miles offshore. ?That particular crossing that we chose was the shortest, 86 nm. ?Service came back on about 5 miles from the island Allison Lehman Swiftsure Yachts 510 912-5800 cell 510 860-4640 fax allisonleh@... ? ? ??
On Feb 26, 2025, at 5:09?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
? We have a Gen 3 with a 12v to 54v DC converter and the Roam plan. Works well within ~12 miles of shore. ?Outside of that limit there is a per gigabyte rate that you can opt into until retiring to shore.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Feb 25, 2025, at 9:35?PM, Scott Johnson via groups.io <socarrat99@...> wrote:
I also need starlink to work from the boat in the San Juans and Gulf Islands this summer.? Of those of you who use Starlink do you use the standard or the mini? Thanks,
?
Scott Johnson
Socarrat - S362, #136
Gig Harbor, WA
-- Allison S426 Kingfisher SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Dave when we went to Haida Gwai we had service for about 49 miles offshore. ?That particular crossing that we chose was the shortest, 86 nm. ?Service came back on about 5 miles from the island Allison Lehman Swiftsure Yachts 510 912-5800 cell 510 860-4640 fax allisonleh@... ? ? ??
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On Feb 26, 2025, at 5:09?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
? We have a Gen 3 with a 12v to 54v DC converter and the Roam plan. Works well within ~12 miles of shore. ?Outside of that limit there is a per gigabyte rate that you can opt into until retiring to shore.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Feb 25, 2025, at 9:35?PM, Scott Johnson via groups.io <socarrat99@...> wrote:
I also need starlink to work from the boat in the San Juans and Gulf Islands this summer.? Of those of you who use Starlink do you use the standard or the mini? Thanks,
?
Scott Johnson
Socarrat - S362, #136
Gig Harbor, WA
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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We use the gen 2 standard. It worked all the way to Haida Gwaii last summer. The gen 3 draws more power and is bigger. ?I sometimes see ?used gen 2s for sale. I¡¯m not sure how you change the subscription but I¡¯m sure it is possible. ?For lower power usage concerned from AC to DC and tip the dish flat. Allison Lehman Swiftsure Yachts 510 912-5800 cell 510 860-4640 fax allisonleh@... ? ? ??
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On Feb 26, 2025, at 4:38?AM, Scott Johnson via groups.io <socarrat99@...> wrote:
?
I also need starlink to work from the boat in the San Juans and Gulf Islands this summer.? Of those of you who use Starlink do you use the standard or the mini? Thanks,
?
Scott Johnson
Socarrat - S362, #136
Gig Harbor, WA
--
Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
We have a Gen 3 with a 12v to 54v DC converter and the Roam plan. Works well within ~12 miles of shore. ?Outside of that limit there is a per gigabyte rate that you can opt into until retiring to shore.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Feb 25, 2025, at 9:35?PM, Scott Johnson via groups.io <socarrat99@...> wrote:
I also need starlink to work from the boat in the San Juans and Gulf Islands this summer.? Of those of you who use Starlink do you use the standard or the mini? Thanks,
?
Scott Johnson
Socarrat - S362, #136
Gig Harbor, WA
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
I also need starlink to work from the boat in the San Juans and Gulf Islands this summer.? Of those of you who use Starlink do you use the standard or the mini? Thanks,
?
Scott Johnson
Socarrat - S362, #136
Gig Harbor, WA
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Re: Electric Head with Macerator
Hey Tim,
Yes, you can rotate the base on most marine macerating heads - one of the best things I¡¯ve done for the family on our 38mkii.
We are potty training a 2 year old and the kid tends to flush an entire roll of tp if not checked. The 5 year old isn¡¯t much better¡ The old manual head just started leaking from all seals. Electric macerating toilets have a lot less moving parts, power draw is low and they smell better (especially if converted to fresh water). Plus it¡¯s easy for visitors and doesn¡¯t clog or leak half as often.
We used a model from 5 Oceans, but again I believe most bases can rotate on installation to fit the platform. We installed an air-gap fill and 3 way valve so that we can switch between raw water or fresh without worry of contaminating fresh water.
TMC Electric Marine Toilet, RV...
Stamp Walden
Sabre 38mkii
Oriental, NC
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Hi Jay,
?
Hempel has been around for many decades.? They are a major supplier to the commercial shipping and offshore sector and have a full range of paints.
?
I am wondering if the sales rep mentioned "silicone" - there are a number of new products on the market that use this as a "fouling release" coating.
I believe that Delos tried a similar product on their boat but not sure of the long term outcome.
?
I worked on a number of coating research projects that included using fluoropolymers, PTFE additives, silicones and siloxanes.? I could never really find something that was a perfect solution although the fluoropolymers showed promise.? This is 25 years ago now.
?
Selectope (developed in Sweden) is likely the most promising technology available right now as far as I know.? Pettit has the rights to the product as an additive to their bottom paints and I believe they are waiting on EPA approval for use in US waters.? The EU has approved it so I expect it should be available soon.
?
I would avoid silicone based paints on your boat (in my opinion) as they may be challenging to remove in the long run and make it difficult to switch to another coating.
?
Tim R
38MKII in refit
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
Thank you all for all your responses. ?I decided I am going with Progressive.
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Fingers crossed¡¡
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1989 S30 III (#215)?FINALLEE
Galesville, MD
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