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Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

Thank you! EPIRB or PLB. Sat phones are a good idea also.
Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

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I beg to differ.? Here are three examples where better communications led to better results:

Arguing against better communication is always a losing proposition.

On 2/25/2025 10:00 AM, James Wilson via groups.io wrote:
Your best chance of survival in an emergency is an EPIRB, or secondarily a PLB, or thirdly a portable VHF radio in a liferaft.? Internet access and satellite phones are a joke.

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James H. Wilson, Jr.
Attorney & Counsellor at Law
By appt. only:
4860 Cox Road, Suite 200
Glen Allen, VA 23060
804-740-6464
jameswilson29@...



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On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 8:52?AM PIOTR SERWIK via <cuivier1=[email protected]> wrote:
In that case you better give up your cell phones and stop watching streaming services, because SpaceX is putting up a lot of commercial satellites. Not to mention start avoiding many marinas and boat yards, because there are plenty of arrogant jackasses there. And bars. And restaurants. Not defending Musk (albeit he is the ONLY person that keeps the US space business going), just trying to point out futility of such gestures. And if you are in trouble without the Starlink, now you are putting lives of potential rescuers at risk. Maybe should rethink your approach a bit.?
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Jim Starkey, AmorphousDB, LLC
Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

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I detect a powerful odor of politics infecting a sailing group. It¡¯s happened before and rarely ends well.?
Pete


On Feb 25, 2025, at 10:42 AM, James Wilson via groups.io <jameswilson29@...> wrote:

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The difference is one of attitude.? It seems a lot of new sailors cannot tell the difference between an inconvenience and a true emergency.? Your boat is sinking or on fire = emergency.? You lose electrical power, the engine won't start, there are big waves and strong winds, and you have some water ingress = inconvenience. Old school sailors believe in self-reliance; new sailors cry for help at the drop of a hat.? Old school sailor rescued themselves in the event of a dismasting?or took to a liferaft if the boat was really sinking; new school sailors are a bunch of babies who call for help when the freezer and a/c don't work, then think the USCG will take them back out to their boats to retrieve it.? New school sailors need internet access and satellite phones.

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James H. Wilson, Jr.
Attorney & Counsellor at Law
By appt. only:
4860 Cox Road, Suite 200
Glen Allen, VA 23060
804-740-6464
jameswilson29@...



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On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 10:17?AM PIOTR SERWIK via <cuivier1=[email protected]> wrote:
EPIBR and PLB simply send an SOS/Mayday, and VHF is very limited distance-wise. So not compatible at all. Regardless, I'm not about to extoll virtues of Starlink, but I was in situations without ability to communicate in a State-wide emergencies, and would have paid any price to be able to communicate.?
Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

The difference is one of attitude.? It seems a lot of new sailors cannot tell the difference between an inconvenience and a true emergency.? Your boat is sinking or on fire = emergency.? You lose electrical power, the engine won't start, there are big waves and strong winds, and you have some water ingress = inconvenience. Old school sailors believe in self-reliance; new sailors cry for help at the drop of a hat.? Old school sailor rescued themselves in the event of a dismasting?or took to a liferaft if the boat was really sinking; new school sailors are a bunch of babies who call for help when the freezer and a/c don't work, then think the USCG will take them back out to their boats to retrieve it.? New school sailors need internet access and satellite phones.

**
James H. Wilson, Jr.
Attorney & Counsellor at Law
By appt. only:
4860 Cox Road, Suite 200
Glen Allen, VA 23060
804-740-6464
jameswilson29@...



**


On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 10:17?AM PIOTR SERWIK via <cuivier1=[email protected]> wrote:
EPIBR and PLB simply send an SOS/Mayday, and VHF is very limited distance-wise. So not compatible at all. Regardless, I'm not about to extoll virtues of Starlink, but I was in situations without ability to communicate in a State-wide emergencies, and would have paid any price to be able to communicate.?
Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

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EPIRBs and PLB send out a distress signal to a satellite network which relays the information, location, time, and MMSI to the Global Rescue network which then relays the information to appropritate geographic rescue center. They continue to broadcast for several days and they float. It is one way communication, except a few new units can receive an acknowledgment signal to indicate the distress signal was received.?



Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Feb 25, 2025, at 10:17?AM, PIOTR SERWIK via groups.io <cuivier1@...> wrote:

EPIBR and PLB simply send an SOS/Mayday, and VHF is very limited distance-wise. So not compatible at all. Regardless, I'm not about to extoll virtues of Starlink, but I was in situations without ability to communicate in a State-wide emergencies, and would have paid any price to be able to communicate.?
Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

EPIBR and PLB simply send an SOS/Mayday, and VHF is very limited distance-wise. So not compatible at all. Regardless, I'm not about to extoll virtues of Starlink, but I was in situations without ability to communicate in a State-wide emergencies, and would have paid any price to be able to communicate.?
Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

Your best chance of survival in an emergency is an EPIRB, or secondarily a PLB, or thirdly a portable VHF radio in a liferaft.? Internet access and satellite phones are a joke.

**
James H. Wilson, Jr.
Attorney & Counsellor at Law
By appt. only:
4860 Cox Road, Suite 200
Glen Allen, VA 23060
804-740-6464
jameswilson29@...



**


On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 8:52?AM PIOTR SERWIK via <cuivier1=[email protected]> wrote:
In that case you better give up your cell phones and stop watching streaming services, because SpaceX is putting up a lot of commercial satellites. Not to mention start avoiding many marinas and boat yards, because there are plenty of arrogant jackasses there. And bars. And restaurants. Not defending Musk (albeit he is the ONLY person that keeps the US space business going), just trying to point out futility of such gestures. And if you are in trouble without the Starlink, now you are putting lives of potential rescuers at risk. Maybe should rethink your approach a bit.?
Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

In that case you better give up your cell phones and stop watching streaming services, because SpaceX is putting up a lot of commercial satellites. Not to mention start avoiding many marinas and boat yards, because there are plenty of arrogant jackasses there. And bars. And restaurants. Not defending Musk (albeit he is the ONLY person that keeps the US space business going), just trying to point out futility of such gestures. And if you are in trouble without the Starlink, now you are putting lives of potential rescuers at risk. Maybe should rethink your approach a bit.?
Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

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It has less to do with politics than with giving money to an arrogant ass. When there is a viable alternative to Starlink, I¡¯ll be gone.


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Feb 25, 2025, at 8:21?AM, PIOTR SERWIK via groups.io <cuivier1@...> wrote:

Ditching something that gives you the best chance of survival in an emergency for empty virtue signalling is beyond scary. REGARDLESS of one's politics.?
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

Ditching something that gives you the best chance of survival in an emergency for empty virtue signalling is beyond scary. REGARDLESS of one's politics.?
Re: Sabre 362/Yanmar 3JH3E Shaft Coupling #362Sabre #Sabre362

 

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Does the torque limiter serve the same purpose as a damper plate?


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Feb 25, 2025, at 12:29?AM, newjerseybill via groups.io <newjerseybill@...> wrote:

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Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

Starlink in so much better than anything on the market is silly, it works better than my 5G at home?


On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 9:54?PM Tony Billera via <tony.billera=[email protected]> wrote:
I agree.?

This is happening. ?



Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.


On Feb 24, 2025, at 4:41?PM, Michael Grishman via <mgrishman=[email protected]> wrote:

?We currently have Starlink aboard and mostly use it during our annual one month cruise along the Maine coast where we get into some remote areas and cannot use our phones as a hot spot.?? We would prefer not
to support Starlink any longer and am wondering if anyone has had any experiences good or bad with any of the other satellite internet providers. We would prefer not have a long contract so that we can it put it on hold when we do not need it.
Thanks in advance,
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097






Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

Jerry, Michael is looking for alternatives.?
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Jim Gregory
Sabre 402 #32
Milford CT

Re: S386 Emergency Tiller

 

Reading this thread i realize i have failed to ever test an emergency tiller. It is now high on my list of safety drills once we are back in the water. Once in flat water and once in heavier seas.

That said, i assume that using the emergency tiller would be even more challenging if the steering quadrant is intact and any tiller movements would need to rotate the rudder as well as the steering linkage and wheel. So a test would be physically harder but situationally easier (i.e. not an actual emergency). Has anyone done something like this? any additional advice beyond what has already been shared?
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Wayne
Namaste 386
Chicago, IL

Re: 600ah Lithium, 362

 

Hi Scott,
I just did the same project and used the space below the nav seat and the space in front of the nav table. ?My victron inverter and Zeus plus other components went in the nav seat and up to 3 330 amp batteries in the space that held 2 arm again in front of the nav station bulkhead. ?I¡¯ll take pictures next time I go to the boat. ?Look forward to the extra power and storage space.

Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

Why would any of us want to compromise our safety and offshore communications over politics? When I'm crossing the North Atlantic East to West this summer, am I supposed to risk my crew and my boat and my life because of politics?
Yikes.

Jerry Brecher
SIRACH Sabre 38 MK I
Home port Gloucester, MA
Currently located in Coruna, Spain?

Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

Same here. Just bought it for next summer¡¯s cruise to Newfoundland. I thought Amazon was planning on a competing network of LEO satellites. When there¡¯s a reasonable alternative I will be ditching it along with any other Muskie products.
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA

On Feb 24, 2025, at 11:35?PM, Dan Grossman via groups.io <ldg004@...> wrote:

?There aren¡¯t a lot of alternatives for satellite broadband ¡ª yet. Today, AT&T and Verizon announced that their respective partnership with AST Spacemobile hit a milestone with first direct-to-mobile calls. It is going to be a while until AST has enough satellites on orbit to allow them to offer commercial service. It also isn¡¯t clear what kinds of speeds can be achieved with satellite-to-5G mobile phone broadband. I don¡¯t know off the top of my head what else AST is planning to offer (and I¡¯m too lazy to look into it right now). Amazon is putting up their own Kuiper constellation, and there are a few others that may or may not launch.

Short version: not in time for this summer¡¯s cruise. If you want just text and voice with no Internet, you can spend on Iridium or GlobalStar.

My advice: don¡¯t bite off your nose to spite your face. Karma will get Musk without your help.

I have to look into low earth orbit satellites anyway, and will get back to you if I come up with anything else.

On Feb 24, 2025, at 19:41, Michael Grishman via groups.io <mgrishman@...> wrote:

?We currently have Starlink aboard and mostly use it during our annual one month cruise along the Maine coast where we get into some remote areas and cannot use our phones as a hot spot. We would prefer not
to support Starlink any longer and am wondering if anyone has had any experiences good or bad with any of the other satellite internet providers. We would prefer not have a long contract so that we can it put it on hold when we do not need it.
Thanks in advance,
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097








Re: Sabre 362/Yanmar 3JH3E Shaft Coupling #362Sabre #Sabre362

 

The strange coupling on the back of your transmission is a "Torque limiter".
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Bill Lloyd
River Plaza, NJ
1974 Chris Craft 22'

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Re: Sabre 362/Yanmar 3JH3E Shaft Coupling #362Sabre #Sabre362

 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 08:57 AM, David Lochner wrote:
The cone is a Yanmar part number:?Cone Kanzaki KM4A KM3A-1- KM2P-1 Yanmar 177073-03170
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Just an FYI, the above info is an internal clutch cone, not a component of the coupling.
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Bill Lloyd
River Plaza, NJ
1974 Chris Craft 22'

Re: Alternatives to Starlink

 

There aren¡¯t a lot of alternatives for satellite broadband ¡ª yet. Today, AT&T and Verizon announced that their respective partnership with AST Spacemobile hit a milestone with first direct-to-mobile calls. It is going to be a while until AST has enough satellites on orbit to allow them to offer commercial service. It also isn¡¯t clear what kinds of speeds can be achieved with satellite-to-5G mobile phone broadband. I don¡¯t know off the top of my head what else AST is planning to offer (and I¡¯m too lazy to look into it right now). Amazon is putting up their own Kuiper constellation, and there are a few others that may or may not launch.

Short version: not in time for this summer¡¯s cruise. If you want just text and voice with no Internet, you can spend on Iridium or GlobalStar.

My advice: don¡¯t bite off your nose to spite your face. Karma will get Musk without your help.

I have to look into low earth orbit satellites anyway, and will get back to you if I come up with anything else.

On Feb 24, 2025, at 19:41, Michael Grishman via groups.io <mgrishman@...> wrote:

?We currently have Starlink aboard and mostly use it during our annual one month cruise along the Maine coast where we get into some remote areas and cannot use our phones as a hot spot. We would prefer not
to support Starlink any longer and am wondering if anyone has had any experiences good or bad with any of the other satellite internet providers. We would prefer not have a long contract so that we can it put it on hold when we do not need it.
Thanks in advance,
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097





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