Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
I’m a big fan of spade.? I’ve had a 33lb (80?) model on my 34 for years. ? Held the boat in 40 knot winds. ?40 ft 5/16 chain and 300 ft line.?
Had some corrosion problems after about 7 years and the importer helped out with a replacement.? The newer model had some kind of a sealant over the lead ballast which may help in keeping the salt water from getting between the lead and galvanized steel which is where the corrosion occurred.
I used it on my 402 last year and had no problems at all but never saw more than 30 knots of wind. ? I planned to replace it for the 402 with model 100 (44 lbs) and 50’ 3/8” chain with 300 ‘ nylon rode. I’ve been trying to get one for almost a year.? Seems they are having problems in Tunisia and no 100’s have been available. ?
Youtube (sv panope?) has shown the rocna Vulcan as superior to spade.? I bought a 20kg/44 lb and plan to install it on the 402 in a few weeks. ?
I’m not a fan of any anchor with roll bars as I’ve seen problems with them not burying in some bottom types. A ballasted tip seems to eliminate the necessity of a roll bar.?
I’ll let the group know what the Vulcan results are this summer.?
By the way, ?someone told me never to discuss sex, politics, religion or anchors in mixed company. ?
I hope no one was offended by my comments.?
Alan.?
S 402/34? ---Alan Pressman Phone; 941-350-1559
On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 2:34?PM Randy Drummond via <SVReleaseMe= [email protected]> wrote:
Here are a couple of more angles for your convienance
 
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:19?PM, Randy Drummond via <SVReleaseMe= [email protected]> wrote:
Probably so. I don’t remember where this one came from but I know I didn’t have to look far. I experimented with a couple to see which did the best job and this one won.?
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:16?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via <dhs.short= [email protected]> wrote:
looks like one of the many rollers available from trailer parts suppliers
On 4/7/2025 2:13 PM, Len Bertaux via wrote:
Randy
I like it! We have the same thing going on with our Rocna and the Harken drum.
Was that an off the shelf roller?
Len
Walkabout S38mkii
This is what we did to keep from hitting the furler. It also was a help in keeping the anchor in place when heading into waves.?
<IMG_4004.jpeg>
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
The issue isn’t a swivel which we don’t have. The Spade has a high arch in the shank, if it clears the roller too quickly the arch comes back and up and rubs agains the bottom of the furler. If ?I retrieve it slowly, the shackle end of the shank stays low and
the arch clears the furler. I could probably engineer something than would force the shank down sooner, just haven’t gotten around to it. Over time I’ve gotten better at slower retrievals. There have been other more pressing problems to deal with.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
Dave
do you use a swivel?? We do with a section of chain between the swivel and the anchor shank.? This allows the swivel to work and not get side-loaded (the cause of most swivel failures). We too hit the bottom of the drum and am not sure how to remedy it other
than going very slowly when the anchor is close to being all the way up. The other complication is this is happening right after the anchor self-rights, so there is a lot going on at once.? Full disclosure, we have a Rocna 25 (55lbs) not a Spade.
?
Allison
Lehman
Swiftsure
Yachts
allison@...
Cell:
510.912.5800
Fax:
510.860.4640
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
?We have a 44 lbs Spade on 140’ chain and 150 feet of 8 plait. Have never had a problem setting the anchor, except in conditions that no anchor would set, shallow sand over limestone, sunken canvass, sunken plastic (2x), and deep thick weeds (a borrowed fisherman’s
anchor worked). The only drawback is clearance under the roller furler, when launching and retrieving it sometimes hits the bottom of the drum.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
This
season I’m increasing my chain to 75’ from 40’ plus 250’ of 5/8” nylon 8 plait for my 38 mkii in preparation for this summer’s trip to Newfoundland with its deep anchorages and frequent windy conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna anchor which in its current configuration
has never failed to set or drag in conditions with gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber for shallow anchorages with small tidal swings. All chain seems unnecessary to me unless you’re in coral infested waters. All that expensive weight in the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via
<dhs.short@...> wrote:
I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was a Bruce #33.
Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous Furlex Type B MkII.
Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon 3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably,
Sail mag sometime the last couple years.
<IMG_7131a.jpg>
On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor..
?
Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)?
?
I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb...
?
Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope.
?
In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- ?
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
|
Not sure if you mean my repair Aaron but that is 1/4” teak and Holly ply. I added a stencil hand painted with the compass rose. Then sealed with epoxy and Varnish.?
--
Stephanie
Moderator
Sabre 36, #67
Formerly Sabre 28-2, #289
Wilson Harbor, NY Lake Ontario
|
Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
Here are a couple of more angles for your convienance
 
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
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Show quoted text
On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:19?PM, Randy Drummond via groups.io <SVReleaseMe@...> wrote:
Probably so. I don’t remember where this one came from but I know I didn’t have to look far. I experimented with a couple to see which did the best job and this one won.?
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:16?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
looks like one of the many rollers available from trailer parts suppliers
On 4/7/2025 2:13 PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io wrote:
Randy
I like it! We have the same thing going on with our Rocna and the Harken drum.
Was that an off the shelf roller?
Len
Walkabout S38mkii
This is what we did to keep from hitting the furler. It also was a help in keeping the anchor in place when heading into waves.?
<IMG_4004.jpeg>
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
The issue isn’t a swivel which we don’t have. The Spade has a high arch in the shank, if it clears the roller too quickly the arch comes back and up and rubs agains the bottom of the furler. If ?I retrieve it slowly, the shackle end of the shank stays low and
the arch clears the furler. I could probably engineer something than would force the shank down sooner, just haven’t gotten around to it. Over time I’ve gotten better at slower retrievals. There have been other more pressing problems to deal with.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:26?PM, Allison Lehman via groups.io
<allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave
do you use a swivel? ?We do with a section of chain between the swivel and the anchor shank. ?This allows the swivel to work and not get side-loaded (the cause of most swivel failures). We too hit the bottom of the drum and am not sure how to remedy it other
than going very slowly when the anchor is close to being all the way up. The other complication is this is happening right after the anchor self-rights, so there is a lot going on at once. ?Full disclosure, we have a Rocna 25 (55lbs) not a Spade.
?
Allison
Lehman
Swiftsure
Yachts
allison@...
Cell:
510.912.5800
Fax:
510.860.4640
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
?We have a 44 lbs Spade on 140’ chain and 150 feet of 8 plait. Have never had a problem setting the anchor, except in conditions that no anchor would set, shallow sand over limestone, sunken canvass, sunken plastic (2x), and deep thick weeds (a borrowed fisherman’s
anchor worked). The only drawback is clearance under the roller furler, when launching and retrieving it sometimes hits the bottom of the drum.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 12:08?PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io
<lbertaux@...> wrote:
This
season I’m increasing my chain to 75’ from 40’ plus 250’ of 5/8” nylon 8 plait for my 38 mkii in preparation for this summer’s trip to Newfoundland with its deep anchorages and frequent windy conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna anchor which in its current configuration
has never failed to set or drag in conditions with gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber for shallow anchorages with small tidal swings. All chain seems unnecessary to me unless you’re in coral infested waters. All that expensive weight in the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io
<dhs.short@...> wrote:
I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was a Bruce #33.
Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous Furlex Type B MkII.
Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon 3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably,
Sail mag sometime the last couple years.
<IMG_7131a.jpg>
On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via groups.io wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor..
?
Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)?
?
I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb...
?
Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope.
?
In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- ?
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
|
Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
Probably so. I don’t remember where this one came from but I know I didn’t have to look far. I experimented with a couple to see which did the best job and this one won.?
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:16?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
looks like one of the many rollers available from trailer parts suppliers
On 4/7/2025 2:13 PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io wrote:
Randy
I like it! We have the same thing going on with our Rocna and the Harken drum.
Was that an off the shelf roller?
Len
Walkabout S38mkii
This is what we did to keep from hitting the furler. It also was a help in keeping the anchor in place when heading into waves.?
<IMG_4004.jpeg>
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
The issue isn’t a swivel which we don’t have. The Spade has a high arch in the shank, if it clears the roller too quickly the arch comes back and up and rubs agains the bottom of the furler. If ?I retrieve it slowly, the shackle end of the shank stays low and
the arch clears the furler. I could probably engineer something than would force the shank down sooner, just haven’t gotten around to it. Over time I’ve gotten better at slower retrievals. There have been other more pressing problems to deal with.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:26?PM, Allison Lehman via groups.io
<allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave
do you use a swivel? ?We do with a section of chain between the swivel and the anchor shank. ?This allows the swivel to work and not get side-loaded (the cause of most swivel failures). We too hit the bottom of the drum and am not sure how to remedy it other
than going very slowly when the anchor is close to being all the way up. The other complication is this is happening right after the anchor self-rights, so there is a lot going on at once. ?Full disclosure, we have a Rocna 25 (55lbs) not a Spade.
?
Allison
Lehman
Swiftsure
Yachts
allison@...
Cell:
510.912.5800
Fax:
510.860.4640
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
?We have a 44 lbs Spade on 140’ chain and 150 feet of 8 plait. Have never had a problem setting the anchor, except in conditions that no anchor would set, shallow sand over limestone, sunken canvass, sunken plastic (2x), and deep thick weeds (a borrowed fisherman’s
anchor worked). The only drawback is clearance under the roller furler, when launching and retrieving it sometimes hits the bottom of the drum.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 12:08?PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io
<lbertaux@...> wrote:
This
season I’m increasing my chain to 75’ from 40’ plus 250’ of 5/8” nylon 8 plait for my 38 mkii in preparation for this summer’s trip to Newfoundland with its deep anchorages and frequent windy conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna anchor which in its current configuration
has never failed to set or drag in conditions with gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber for shallow anchorages with small tidal swings. All chain seems unnecessary to me unless you’re in coral infested waters. All that expensive weight in the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io
<dhs.short@...> wrote:
I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was a Bruce #33.
Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous Furlex Type B MkII.
Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon 3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably,
Sail mag sometime the last couple years.
<IMG_7131a.jpg>
On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via groups.io wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor..
?
Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)?
?
I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb...
?
Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope.
?
In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- ?
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
|
Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
looks like one of the many rollers available from trailer parts
suppliers
On 4/7/2025 2:13 PM, Len Bertaux via
groups.io wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Randy
I like it! We have the same thing going on with our Rocna
and the Harken drum.
Was that an off the shelf roller?
Len
Walkabout S38mkii
This is what we did to keep from hitting the furler.
It also was a help in keeping the anchor in place when
heading into waves.?
<IMG_4004.jpeg>
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
The issue isn’t a swivel which we don’t
have. The Spade has a high arch in the
shank, if it clears the roller too quickly
the arch comes back and up and rubs agains
the bottom of the furler. If ?I retrieve it
slowly, the shackle end of the shank stays
low and the arch clears the furler. I could
probably engineer something than would force
the shank down sooner, just haven’t gotten
around to it. Over time I’ve gotten better
at slower retrievals. There have been other
more pressing problems to deal with.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake
Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:26?PM,
Allison Lehman via groups.io
<allisonleh@...>
wrote:
Dave
do you use a swivel? ?We do with a
section of chain between the
swivel and the anchor shank. ?This
allows the swivel to work and not
get side-loaded (the cause of most
swivel failures). We too hit the
bottom of the drum and am not sure
how to remedy it other than going
very slowly when the anchor is
close to being all the way up. The
other complication is this is
happening right after the anchor
self-rights, so there is a lot
going on at once. ?Full
disclosure, we have a Rocna 25
(55lbs) not a Spade.
?
Allison
Lehman
Swiftsure
Yachts
allison@...
Cell:
510.912.5800
Fax:
510.860.4640
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
?We have a 44 lbs Spade
on 140’ chain and 150
feet of 8 plait. Have
never had a problem
setting the anchor,
except in conditions
that no anchor would
set, shallow sand over
limestone, sunken
canvass, sunken plastic
(2x), and deep thick
weeds (a borrowed
fisherman’s anchor
worked). The only
drawback is clearance
under the roller furler,
when launching and
retrieving it sometimes
hits the bottom of the
drum.
Dave
Second
Star
S362 #113
Fair
Haven, NY/Lake
Ontario
On Apr 7,
2025, at
12:08?PM, Len
Bertaux via
groups.io
<lbertaux@...>
wrote:
This
season I’m
increasing my
chain to 75’
from 40’ plus
250’ of 5/8”
nylon 8 plait
for my 38 mkii
in preparation
for this
summer’s trip
to
Newfoundland
with its deep
anchorages and
frequent windy
conditions. I
use a 15kg
Rocna anchor
which in its
current
configuration
has never
failed to set
or drag in
conditions
with gusts
exceeding 35
kts.?
Also will have
a snubber for
shallow
anchorages
with small
tidal swings.
All chain
seems
unnecessary to
me unless
you’re in
coral infested
waters. All
that expensive
weight in the
bow for what
purpose?
Len
Bertaux
Walkabout
S38mkii
Prides
Crossing MA
On Apr 7,
2025, at
11:52?AM,
David Short,
SV One Timer,
1997 362, Mt
Desert, ME via
groups.io
<dhs.short@...>
wrote:
I have
the 100.? No
problems
handling to
date, 3 or 4
seasons
including a
Newfoundland
trip.? I have
a Muir VR1000
windlass that
is a good
windlass but
not
particularly
heavy duty.?
My previous
was a Bruce
#33.
Furler is a
Furlex 204S
new Spring
2023.? Photo
below is
previous
Furlex Type B
MkII.
Purchased boat
in 2015.? Came
with 100' 5/16
chain &
200' nylon 3
strand.? Nice
setup.? Rarely
put out less
than 100' in
Maine or
Canada, so
basically a
built in
snubber.? I
was gratified
to read Andy
Schell of 59
North endorse
this exact
setup in,
probably, Sail
mag sometime
the last
couple years.
<IMG_7131a.jpg>
On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via groups.io
wrote:
Hi Dave
Short, and or
anyone with a
362 and a
Spade Anchor..
?
Did you
get the 100
(44 lbs.) or
the 80 (33
lbs.)?
?
I think
you may have
said the 100,
and was
wondering if
you have
issues with
handling it?
My previous
anchor was a
Delta 33lb...
?
Also do
you have all
chain? I'm
considering
150' of 5/16"
with another
100' of rode.
Like you we
cruise Maine
for most of
the
summer...here
in Long Island
Sound depths
are shallow so
don't need
much in the
way of scope.
?
In the
past we had
40' of chain
and another
200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre
362 #132
Sachems' Head
Ct
-- ?
Dave Short
SV One Timer
1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
|
Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
Yes the roller was off the shelf and I just made a cardboard pattern for cutting the aluminum.?
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:13?PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io <lbertaux@...> wrote:
Randy
I like it! We have the same thing going on with our Rocna and the Harken drum.
Was that an off the shelf roller?
Len
Walkabout S38mkii
On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:10?PM, Randy Drummond via groups.io <SVReleaseMe@...> wrote:
This is what we did to keep from hitting the furler. It also was a help in keeping the anchor in place when heading into waves.?
<IMG_4004.jpeg>
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:45?PM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
The issue isn’t a swivel which we don’t have. The Spade has a high arch in the shank, if it clears the roller too quickly the arch comes back and up and rubs agains the bottom of the furler. If ?I retrieve it slowly, the shackle end of the shank stays low and
the arch clears the furler. I could probably engineer something than would force the shank down sooner, just haven’t gotten around to it. Over time I’ve gotten better at slower retrievals. There have been other more pressing problems to deal with.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:26?PM, Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave
do you use a swivel? ?We do with a section of chain between the swivel and the anchor shank. ?This allows the swivel to work and not get side-loaded (the cause of most swivel failures). We too hit the bottom of the drum and am not sure how to remedy it other
than going very slowly when the anchor is close to being all the way up. The other complication is this is happening right after the anchor self-rights, so there is a lot going on at once. ?Full disclosure, we have a Rocna 25 (55lbs) not a Spade.
?
Allison
Lehman
Swiftsure
Yachts
allison@...
Cell:
510.912.5800
Fax:
510.860.4640
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
On Apr 7, 2025, at 9:51?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
?We have a 44 lbs Spade on 140’ chain and 150 feet of 8 plait. Have never had a problem setting the anchor, except in conditions that no anchor would set, shallow sand over limestone, sunken canvass, sunken plastic (2x), and deep thick weeds (a borrowed fisherman’s
anchor worked). The only drawback is clearance under the roller furler, when launching and retrieving it sometimes hits the bottom of the drum.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 12:08?PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io <lbertaux@...> wrote:
This
season I’m increasing my chain to 75’ from 40’ plus 250’ of 5/8” nylon 8 plait for my 38 mkii in preparation for this summer’s trip to Newfoundland with its deep anchorages and frequent windy conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna anchor which in its current configuration
has never failed to set or drag in conditions with gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber for shallow anchorages with small tidal swings. All chain seems unnecessary to me unless you’re in coral infested waters. All that expensive weight in the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was a Bruce #33.
Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous Furlex Type B MkII.
Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon 3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably,
Sail mag sometime the last couple years.
<IMG_7131a.jpg>
On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via groups.io wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor..
?
Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)?
?
I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb...
?
Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope.
?
In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- ?
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
|
Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
Please do. ?I’m very happy with the results. 1/4’ anodized aluminum plate from mcmaster Carr and three bolts. ?
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
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On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:12?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
nice - I might just have to copy that
On 4/7/2025 2:10 PM, Randy Drummond via groups.io wrote:
This is what we did to keep from hitting the furler. It also was a help in keeping the anchor in place when heading into waves.?
<IMG_4004.jpeg>
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
The issue isn’t a swivel which we don’t have. The Spade has a high arch in the shank, if it clears the roller too quickly the arch comes back and up and rubs agains the bottom of the furler. If ?I retrieve it slowly, the shackle end of the shank stays low and
the arch clears the furler. I could probably engineer something than would force the shank down sooner, just haven’t gotten around to it. Over time I’ve gotten better at slower retrievals. There have been other more pressing problems to deal with.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:26?PM, Allison Lehman via groups.io
<allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave
do you use a swivel? ?We do with a section of chain between the swivel and the anchor shank. ?This allows the swivel to work and not get side-loaded (the cause of most swivel failures). We too hit the bottom of the drum and am not sure how to remedy it other
than going very slowly when the anchor is close to being all the way up. The other complication is this is happening right after the anchor self-rights, so there is a lot going on at once. ?Full disclosure, we have a Rocna 25 (55lbs) not a Spade.
?
Allison
Lehman
Swiftsure
Yachts
allison@...
Cell:
510.912.5800
Fax:
510.860.4640
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
?We have a 44 lbs Spade on 140’ chain and 150 feet of 8 plait. Have never had a problem setting the anchor, except in conditions that no anchor would set, shallow sand over limestone, sunken canvass, sunken plastic (2x), and deep thick weeds (a borrowed fisherman’s
anchor worked). The only drawback is clearance under the roller furler, when launching and retrieving it sometimes hits the bottom of the drum.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 12:08?PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io
<lbertaux@...> wrote:
This
season I’m increasing my chain to 75’ from 40’ plus 250’ of 5/8” nylon 8 plait for my 38 mkii in preparation for this summer’s trip to Newfoundland with its deep anchorages and frequent windy conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna anchor which in its current configuration
has never failed to set or drag in conditions with gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber for shallow anchorages with small tidal swings. All chain seems unnecessary to me unless you’re in coral infested waters. All that expensive weight in the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io
<dhs.short@...> wrote:
I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was a Bruce #33.
Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous Furlex Type B MkII.
Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon 3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably,
Sail mag sometime the last couple years.
<IMG_7131a.jpg>
On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via groups.io wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor..
?
Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)?
?
I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb...
?
Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope.
?
In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- ?
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
|
Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
Randy I like it! We have the same thing going on with our Rocna and the Harken drum. Was that an off the shelf roller?
Len
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On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:10?PM, Randy Drummond via groups.io <SVReleaseMe@...> wrote:
This is what we did to keep from hitting the furler. It also was a help in keeping the anchor in place when heading into waves.?
<IMG_4004.jpeg>
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:45?PM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
The issue isn’t a swivel which we don’t have. The Spade has a high arch in the shank, if it clears the roller too quickly the arch comes back and up and rubs agains the bottom of the furler. If ?I retrieve it slowly, the shackle end of the shank stays low and
the arch clears the furler. I could probably engineer something than would force the shank down sooner, just haven’t gotten around to it. Over time I’ve gotten better at slower retrievals. There have been other more pressing problems to deal with.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:26?PM, Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave
do you use a swivel? ?We do with a section of chain between the swivel and the anchor shank. ?This allows the swivel to work and not get side-loaded (the cause of most swivel failures). We too hit the bottom of the drum and am not sure how to remedy it other
than going very slowly when the anchor is close to being all the way up. The other complication is this is happening right after the anchor self-rights, so there is a lot going on at once. ?Full disclosure, we have a Rocna 25 (55lbs) not a Spade.
?
Allison
Lehman
Swiftsure
Yachts
allison@...
Cell:
510.912.5800
Fax:
510.860.4640
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
On Apr 7, 2025, at 9:51?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
?We have a 44 lbs Spade on 140’ chain and 150 feet of 8 plait. Have never had a problem setting the anchor, except in conditions that no anchor would set, shallow sand over limestone, sunken canvass, sunken plastic (2x), and deep thick weeds (a borrowed fisherman’s
anchor worked). The only drawback is clearance under the roller furler, when launching and retrieving it sometimes hits the bottom of the drum.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 12:08?PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io <lbertaux@...> wrote:
This
season I’m increasing my chain to 75’ from 40’ plus 250’ of 5/8” nylon 8 plait for my 38 mkii in preparation for this summer’s trip to Newfoundland with its deep anchorages and frequent windy conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna anchor which in its current configuration
has never failed to set or drag in conditions with gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber for shallow anchorages with small tidal swings. All chain seems unnecessary to me unless you’re in coral infested waters. All that expensive weight in the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was a Bruce #33.
Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous Furlex Type B MkII.
Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon 3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably,
Sail mag sometime the last couple years.
<IMG_7131a.jpg>
On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via groups.io wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor..
?
Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)?
?
I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb...
?
Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope.
?
In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- ?
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
-- Randy Drummond Dazzle S38 mk2 206 Miami
|
Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
nice - I might just have to copy that
On 4/7/2025 2:10 PM, Randy Drummond via
groups.io wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
This is what we did to keep from hitting the furler. It also was a
help in keeping the anchor in place when heading into waves.?
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
The issue isn’t a swivel which we don’t have. The Spade
has a high arch in the shank, if it clears the roller
too quickly the arch comes back and up and rubs agains
the bottom of the furler. If ?I retrieve it slowly, the
shackle end of the shank stays low and the arch clears
the furler. I could probably engineer something than
would force the shank down sooner, just haven’t gotten
around to it. Over time I’ve gotten better at slower
retrievals. There have been other more pressing problems
to deal with.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:26?PM, Allison Lehman
via groups.io
<allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave
do you use a swivel? ?We do with a section of
chain between the swivel and the anchor shank.
?This allows the swivel to work and not get
side-loaded (the cause of most swivel
failures). We too hit the bottom of the drum
and am not sure how to remedy it other than
going very slowly when the anchor is close to
being all the way up. The other complication
is this is happening right after the anchor
self-rights, so there is a lot going on at
once. ?Full disclosure, we have a Rocna 25
(55lbs) not a Spade.
?
Allison
Lehman
Swiftsure
Yachts
allison@...
Cell:
510.912.5800
Fax:
510.860.4640
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
?We have a 44 lbs Spade on 140’
chain and 150 feet of 8 plait. Have
never had a problem setting the
anchor, except in conditions that no
anchor would set, shallow sand over
limestone, sunken canvass, sunken
plastic (2x), and deep thick weeds
(a borrowed fisherman’s anchor
worked). The only drawback is
clearance under the roller furler,
when launching and retrieving it
sometimes hits the bottom of the
drum.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven,
NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at
12:08?PM, Len Bertaux via
groups.io
<lbertaux@...>
wrote:
This
season I’m increasing my
chain to 75’ from 40’ plus
250’ of 5/8” nylon 8 plait
for my 38 mkii in
preparation for this
summer’s trip to
Newfoundland with its deep
anchorages and frequent
windy conditions. I use a
15kg Rocna anchor which in
its current configuration
has never failed to set or
drag in conditions with
gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber
for shallow anchorages
with small tidal swings.
All chain seems
unnecessary to me unless
you’re in coral infested
waters. All that expensive
weight in the bow for what
purpose?
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On Apr 7, 2025,
at 11:52?AM, David
Short, SV One
Timer, 1997 362,
Mt Desert, ME via
groups.io
<dhs.short@...>
wrote:
I have the
100.? No
problems
handling to
date, 3 or 4
seasons
including a
Newfoundland
trip.? I have a
Muir VR1000
windlass that is
a good windlass
but not
particularly
heavy duty.? My
previous was a
Bruce #33.
Furler is a
Furlex 204S new
Spring 2023.?
Photo below is
previous Furlex
Type B MkII.
Purchased boat
in 2015.? Came
with 100' 5/16
chain & 200'
nylon 3 strand.?
Nice setup.?
Rarely put out
less than 100'
in Maine or
Canada, so
basically a
built in
snubber.? I was
gratified to
read Andy Schell
of 59 North
endorse this
exact setup in,
probably, Sail
mag sometime the
last couple
years.
<IMG_7131a.jpg>
On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via groups.io
wrote:
Hi Dave
Short, and or
anyone with a
362 and a
Spade Anchor..
?
Did you
get the 100
(44 lbs.) or
the 80 (33
lbs.)?
?
I think
you may have
said the 100,
and was
wondering if
you have
issues with
handling it?
My previous
anchor was a
Delta 33lb...
?
Also do
you have all
chain? I'm
considering
150' of 5/16"
with another
100' of rode.
Like you we
cruise Maine
for most of
the
summer...here
in Long Island
Sound depths
are shallow so
don't need
much in the
way of scope.
?
In the
past we had
40' of chain
and another
200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre
362 #132
Sachems' Head
Ct
-- ?
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997
S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
|
Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
This is what we did to keep from hitting the furler. It also was a help in keeping the anchor in place when heading into waves.?
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:45?PM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
The issue isn’t a swivel which we don’t have. The Spade has a high arch in the shank, if it clears the roller too quickly the arch comes back and up and rubs agains the bottom of the furler. If ?I retrieve it slowly, the shackle end of the shank stays low and
the arch clears the furler. I could probably engineer something than would force the shank down sooner, just haven’t gotten around to it. Over time I’ve gotten better at slower retrievals. There have been other more pressing problems to deal with.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:26?PM, Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave
do you use a swivel? ?We do with a section of chain between the swivel and the anchor shank. ?This allows the swivel to work and not get side-loaded (the cause of most swivel failures). We too hit the bottom of the drum and am not sure how to remedy it other
than going very slowly when the anchor is close to being all the way up. The other complication is this is happening right after the anchor self-rights, so there is a lot going on at once. ?Full disclosure, we have a Rocna 25 (55lbs) not a Spade.
?
Allison
Lehman
Swiftsure
Yachts
allison@...
Cell:
510.912.5800
Fax:
510.860.4640
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
On Apr 7, 2025, at 9:51?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
?We have a 44 lbs Spade on 140’ chain and 150 feet of 8 plait. Have never had a problem setting the anchor, except in conditions that no anchor would set, shallow sand over limestone, sunken canvass, sunken plastic (2x), and deep thick weeds (a borrowed fisherman’s
anchor worked). The only drawback is clearance under the roller furler, when launching and retrieving it sometimes hits the bottom of the drum.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 12:08?PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io <lbertaux@...> wrote:
This
season I’m increasing my chain to 75’ from 40’ plus 250’ of 5/8” nylon 8 plait for my 38 mkii in preparation for this summer’s trip to Newfoundland with its deep anchorages and frequent windy conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna anchor which in its current configuration
has never failed to set or drag in conditions with gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber for shallow anchorages with small tidal swings. All chain seems unnecessary to me unless you’re in coral infested waters. All that expensive weight in the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was a Bruce #33.
Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous Furlex Type B MkII.
Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon 3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably,
Sail mag sometime the last couple years.
<IMG_7131a.jpg>
On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via groups.io wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor..
?
Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)?
?
I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb...
?
Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope.
?
In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- ?
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
|
Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
Thanks All! Much appreciate the feedback.
?
Ned Bennett
?
--
Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
|
Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
Ditto for us
I had Indalo Rigging install the Furlex.? She had some comment
regarding Furlex providing better clearance than a Harken, but I'm
not totally clear on that.
On 4/7/2025 1:45 PM, David Lochner via
groups.io wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
The issue isn’t a swivel which we don’t have. The Spade has a high
arch in the shank, if it clears the roller too quickly the arch
comes back and up and rubs agains the bottom of the furler. If ?I
retrieve it slowly, the shackle end of the shank stays low and the
arch clears the furler. I could probably engineer something than
would force the shank down sooner, just haven’t gotten around to
it. Over time I’ve gotten better at slower retrievals. There have
been other more pressing problems to deal with.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:26?PM, Allison Lehman via
groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave
do you use a swivel? ?We do with a section of chain
between the swivel and the anchor shank. ?This allows
the swivel to work and not get side-loaded (the cause of
most swivel failures). We too hit the bottom of the drum
and am not sure how to remedy it other than going very
slowly when the anchor is close to being all the way up.
The other complication is this is happening right after
the anchor self-rights, so there is a lot going on at
once. ?Full disclosure, we have a Rocna 25 (55lbs) not a
Spade.
?
Allison
Lehman
Swiftsure
Yachts
allison@...
Cell:
510.912.5800
Fax:
510.860.4640
<PastedGraphic-1.tiff>
?We
have a 44 lbs Spade on 140’ chain and 150 feet
of 8 plait. Have never had a problem setting
the anchor, except in conditions that no
anchor would set, shallow sand over limestone,
sunken canvass, sunken plastic (2x), and deep
thick weeds (a borrowed fisherman’s anchor
worked). The only drawback is clearance under
the roller furler, when launching and
retrieving it sometimes hits the bottom of the
drum.
Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake
Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 12:08?PM, Len
Bertaux via groups.io
<lbertaux@...>
wrote:
This
season I’m increasing my chain to
75’ from 40’ plus 250’ of 5/8” nylon
8 plait for my 38 mkii in
preparation for this summer’s trip
to Newfoundland with its deep
anchorages and frequent windy
conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna
anchor which in its current
configuration has never failed to
set or drag in conditions with gusts
exceeding 35 kts.?
Also
will have a snubber for shallow
anchorages with small tidal swings.
All chain seems unnecessary to me
unless you’re in coral infested
waters. All that expensive weight in
the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux
Walkabout S38mkii
Prides Crossing MA
On Apr 7, 2025, at
11:52?AM, David Short, SV
One Timer, 1997 362, Mt
Desert, ME via groups.io
<dhs.short@...>
wrote:
I have the 100.? No
problems handling to date,
3 or 4 seasons including a
Newfoundland trip.? I have
a Muir VR1000 windlass
that is a good windlass
but not particularly heavy
duty.? My previous was a
Bruce #33.
Furler is a Furlex 204S
new Spring 2023.? Photo
below is previous Furlex
Type B MkII.
Purchased boat in 2015.?
Came with 100' 5/16 chain
& 200' nylon 3
strand.? Nice setup.?
Rarely put out less than
100' in Maine or Canada,
so basically a built in
snubber.? I was gratified
to read Andy Schell of 59
North endorse this exact
setup in, probably, Sail
mag sometime the last
couple years.
<IMG_7131a.jpg>
On
4/7/2025 10:14 AM,
ebennett via groups.io
wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and
or anyone with a 362
and a Spade Anchor..
?
Did you get the 100
(44 lbs.) or the 80
(33 lbs.)?
?
I think you may
have said the 100, and
was wondering if you
have issues with
handling it? My
previous anchor was a
Delta 33lb...
?
Also do you have
all chain? I'm
considering 150' of
5/16" with another
100' of rode. Like you
we cruise Maine for
most of the
summer...here in Long
Island Sound depths
are shallow so don't
need much in the way
of scope.
?
In the past we had
40' of chain and
another 200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre
362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- ?
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
|
Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
The issue isn’t a swivel which we don’t have. The Spade has a high arch in the shank, if it clears the roller too quickly the arch comes back and up and rubs agains the bottom of the furler. If ?I retrieve it slowly, the shackle end of the shank stays low and the arch clears the furler. I could probably engineer something than would force the shank down sooner, just haven’t gotten around to it. Over time I’ve gotten better at slower retrievals. There have been other more pressing problems to deal with.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Apr 7, 2025, at 1:26?PM, Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
Dave do you use a swivel? ?We do with a section of chain between the swivel and the anchor shank. ?This allows the swivel to work and not get side-loaded (the cause of most swivel failures). We too hit the bottom of the drum and am not sure how to remedy it other than going very slowly when the anchor is close to being all the way up. The other complication is this is happening right after the anchor self-rights, so there is a lot going on at once. ?Full disclosure, we have a Rocna 25 (55lbs) not a Spade.? Allison LehmanSwiftsure Yachtsallison@...Cell: 510.912.5800Fax: 510.860.4640<PastedGraphic-1.tiff> On Apr 7, 2025, at 9:51?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
?We have a 44 lbs Spade on 140’ chain and 150 feet of 8 plait. Have never had a problem setting the anchor, except in conditions that no anchor would set, shallow sand over limestone, sunken canvass, sunken plastic (2x), and deep thick weeds (a borrowed fisherman’s anchor worked). The only drawback is clearance under the roller furler, when launching and retrieving it sometimes hits the bottom of the drum.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario On Apr 7, 2025, at 12:08?PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io <lbertaux@...> wrote:
This season I’m increasing my chain to 75’ from 40’ plus 250’ of 5/8” nylon 8 plait for my 38 mkii in preparation for this summer’s trip to Newfoundland with its deep anchorages and frequent windy conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna anchor which in its current configuration has never failed to set or drag in conditions with gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber for shallow anchorages with small tidal swings. All chain seems unnecessary to me unless you’re in coral infested waters. All that expensive weight in the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux Walkabout S38mkii Prides Crossing MA On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was a Bruce #33. Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous Furlex Type B MkII. Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon 3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably, Sail mag sometime the last couple years. <IMG_7131a.jpg>On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via groups.io wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor.. ? Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)? ? I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb... ? Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope. ? In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode. ? Thanks.. -- Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- ?Dave Short SV One Timer 1997 S362 Mt Desert, ME
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Dave do you use a swivel? ?We do with a section of chain between the swivel and the anchor shank. ?This allows the swivel to work and not get side-loaded (the cause of most swivel failures). We too hit the bottom of the drum and am not sure how to remedy it other than going very slowly when the anchor is close to being all the way up. The other complication is this is happening right after the anchor self-rights, so there is a lot going on at once. ?Full disclosure, we have a Rocna 25 (55lbs) not a Spade. ?
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On Apr 7, 2025, at 9:51?AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
?We have a 44 lbs Spade on 140’ chain and 150 feet of 8 plait. Have never had a problem setting the anchor, except in conditions that no anchor would set, shallow sand over limestone, sunken canvass, sunken plastic (2x), and deep thick weeds (a borrowed fisherman’s anchor worked). The only drawback is clearance under the roller furler, when launching and retrieving it sometimes hits the bottom of the drum.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Apr 7, 2025, at 12:08?PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io <lbertaux@...> wrote:
This season I’m increasing my chain to 75’ from 40’ plus 250’ of 5/8” nylon 8 plait for my 38 mkii in preparation for this summer’s trip to Newfoundland with its deep anchorages and frequent windy conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna anchor which in its current configuration has never failed to set or drag in conditions with gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber for shallow anchorages with small tidal swings. All chain seems unnecessary to me unless you’re in coral infested waters. All that expensive weight in the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux Walkabout S38mkii Prides Crossing MA On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was a Bruce #33. Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous Furlex Type B MkII. Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon 3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably, Sail mag sometime the last couple years. <IMG_7131a.jpg>On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via groups.io wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor.. ? Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)? ? I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb... ? Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope. ? In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode. ? Thanks.. -- Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- ?Dave Short SV One Timer 1997 S362 Mt Desert, ME
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
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This is in line with what I was thinking, nice to see the pictures laid out.?
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Did you just paint the floor afterwards?? Looks like it got? a facelift.
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?We have a 44 lbs Spade on 140’ chain and 150 feet of 8 plait. Have never had a problem setting the anchor, except in conditions that no anchor would set, shallow sand over limestone, sunken canvass, sunken plastic (2x), and deep thick weeds (a borrowed fisherman’s anchor worked). The only drawback is clearance under the roller furler, when launching and retrieving it sometimes hits the bottom of the drum.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Apr 7, 2025, at 12:08?PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io <lbertaux@...> wrote:
This season I’m increasing my chain to 75’ from 40’ plus 250’ of 5/8” nylon 8 plait for my 38 mkii in preparation for this summer’s trip to Newfoundland with its deep anchorages and frequent windy conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna anchor which in its current configuration has never failed to set or drag in conditions with gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber for shallow anchorages with small tidal swings. All chain seems unnecessary to me unless you’re in coral infested waters. All that expensive weight in the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux Walkabout S38mkii Prides Crossing MA On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was a Bruce #33. Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous Furlex Type B MkII. Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon 3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably, Sail mag sometime the last couple years. <IMG_7131a.jpg>On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via groups.io wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor.. ? Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)? ? I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb... ? Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope. ? In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode. ? Thanks.. -- Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- ?Dave Short SV One Timer 1997 S362 Mt Desert, ME
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Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
This season I’m increasing my chain to 75’ from 40’ plus 250’ of 5/8” nylon 8 plait for my 38 mkii in preparation for this summer’s trip to Newfoundland with its deep anchorages and frequent windy conditions. I use a 15kg Rocna anchor which in its current configuration has never failed to set or drag in conditions with gusts exceeding 35 kts.?
Also will have a snubber for shallow anchorages with small tidal swings. All chain seems unnecessary to me unless you’re in coral infested waters. All that expensive weight in the bow for what purpose?
Len Bertaux Walkabout S38mkii
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On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:52?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons
including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that
is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was
a Bruce #33.
Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous
Furlex Type B MkII.
Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon
3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or
Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read
Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably, Sail
mag sometime the last couple years.
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On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via
groups.io wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor..
?
Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)?
?
I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you
have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta
33lb...
?
Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16"
with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of
the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so
don't need much in the way of scope.
?
In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
-- Dave Short SV One Timer 1997 S362 Mt Desert, ME
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Re: Spade Anchor on 362 Question
I have the 100.? No problems handling to date, 3 or 4 seasons
including a Newfoundland trip.? I have a Muir VR1000 windlass that
is a good windlass but not particularly heavy duty.? My previous was
a Bruce #33.
Furler is a Furlex 204S new Spring 2023.? Photo below is previous
Furlex Type B MkII.
Purchased boat in 2015.? Came with 100' 5/16 chain & 200' nylon
3 strand.? Nice setup.? Rarely put out less than 100' in Maine or
Canada, so basically a built in snubber.? I was gratified to read
Andy Schell of 59 North endorse this exact setup in, probably, Sail
mag sometime the last couple years.
On 4/7/2025 10:14 AM, ebennett via
groups.io wrote:
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Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor..
?
Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)?
?
I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you
have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta
33lb...
?
Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16"
with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of
the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so
don't need much in the way of scope.
?
In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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I have both the 80 and the 100 (in SS) for the past 8-9 years. I had the 80 in galvanized, but it suffered from heavy rust, so I switched to stainless steel.? I actually never use the 100, I only have it for use in a hurricane hole I use when we have hurricanes, (along with 8 other anchors, numerous prayers, and crossed fingers).? The 80 has been terrific, only one time it would not set, it was in knee high grass in the Keys where nothing would set. I’ve had it in storms with winds in excess of 40, no issues. Wind shifts, tidal changes, no problems, but I do use a kellet since I have rope.? I’ll be 76 next month, usually sail by myself (if my 5’ 4”, 66 y/o wife is with me, she has anchor duty and handles it well). I don’t have a windless, but don’t have issues retrieving the anchor in normal conditions, in severe weather I’ll motor up, and/or put the anchor rode on a winch (only did that once when it was gusting to 40).? Note, most of the anchoring I do in South Florida and Bahamas is in fairly shallow water, 15-20’.? And when you add chain, sand/mud, it’s more than 33 lbs.? I have 35’ of chain.?
Jay Elizabeth Belle S362
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On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:07?AM, Howard Musk, Belladrum, Sabre 362 via groups.io <hrmusk@...> wrote:
? Have you checked with Spade if the 100 is available? We planned on getting a 100 for our 362 but they were not available all last year and we eventually got a Sarca Excel instead. On Apr 7, 2025, at 10:14?AM, ebennett via groups.io <ebennett@...> wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor..
?
Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)?
?
I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb...
?
Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope.
?
In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
--
Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
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Jay Flynn
“Elizabeth Belle”
Sabre 362
1999 #212
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Have you checked with Spade if the 100 is available? We planned on getting a 100 for our 362 but they were not available all last year and we eventually got a Sarca Excel instead.
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On Apr 7, 2025, at 10:14?AM, ebennett via groups.io <ebennett@...> wrote:
Hi Dave Short, and or anyone with a 362 and a Spade Anchor..
?
Did you get the 100 (44 lbs.) or the 80 (33 lbs.)?
?
I think you may have said the 100, and was wondering if you have issues with handling it? My previous anchor was a Delta 33lb...
?
Also do you have all chain? I'm considering 150' of 5/16" with another 100' of rode. Like you we cruise Maine for most of the summer...here in Long Island Sound depths are shallow so don't need much in the way of scope.
?
In the past we had 40' of chain and another 200' of rode.
?
Thanks..
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Triona?Sabre 362 #132
Sachems' Head Ct
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Stephanie
David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME
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