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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
I agree.?
This is happening. ?
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On Feb 24, 2025, at 4:41?PM, Michael Grishman via groups.io <mgrishman@...> wrote:
?We currently have Starlink aboard and mostly use it during our annual one month cruise along the Maine coast where we get into some remote areas and cannot use our phones as a hot spot.?? We would prefer not
to support Starlink any longer and am wondering if anyone has had any experiences good or bad with any of the other satellite internet providers. We would prefer not have a long contract so that we can it put it on hold when we do not need it.
Thanks in advance,
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
Comparing insurance premiums without providing information about the amount of coverage and the kind of coverage is pretty meaningless. Liability only coverage is much less expensive than Agreed Hull Value. We¡¯d need to know the deductible, oil spill coverage, liability levels, etc to render an informed opinion about the insurance premium.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Feb 24, 2025, at 8:26?PM, Philip Horn via groups.io <philhorn48@...> wrote:
I've been with Progressive for about 10 years, my 34 is 46 years old.
Premiums are very reasonable, never had to provide a survey.
Been boating for 60+ years with no claims.
For me the insurance is about liability coverage, the hull coverage
is a bonus.
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Phil Horn
S34 #67
Huntington, LI, NY
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
I've been with Progressive for about 10 years, my 34 is 46 years old.
Premiums are very reasonable, never had to provide a survey.
Been boating for 60+ years with no claims.
For me the insurance is about liability coverage, the hull coverage
is a bonus.
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Phil Horn
S34 #67
Huntington, LI, NY
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We currently have Starlink aboard and mostly use it during our annual one month cruise along the Maine coast where we get into some remote areas and cannot use our phones as a hot spot.?? We would prefer not
to support Starlink any longer and am wondering if anyone has had any experiences good or bad with any of the other satellite internet providers. We would prefer not have a long contract so that we can it put it on hold when we do not need it.
Thanks in advance,
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
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Re: S386 Emergency Tiller
The tee handle tiller is better than nothing but not great. A few years ago I posted ¡°362Emergency Tiller¡± in photos.? Made with aluminum tube and an ash handle & stows nicely. Works ok. Tested in benign conditions but gives a lot more leverage than the tee handle. And E tiller would be a challenge in heavy weather.? The design posted by Stafford looks much better than the tee handle tiller?
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On Feb 24, 2025, at 9:30?AM, damian.greene via groups.io <damian.greene@...> wrote:
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Hi Stafford,
That design looks much more usable, and is quite different. See attached - what I was given as a drawing is a simple T-handle
Yes, please let me know what you work out. My direct email: damian.greene@...
I will have to wait until I get back to my boat, to confirm that this improved design will work for me. At a minimum, this gives me a much better design to work with. This is more in line with what I was thinking of.
Regards,
Damian
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On Monday, February 24, 2025 at 02:02:47 PM GMT, Stafford Soule via groups.io <scsoule@...> wrote:
Hi Damian. Here is the design that Glen sent me. Not sure if it is the same design that you have. I'm getting a quote right now from Matt StCyr at Cumberland Ironworks near Freeport, ME. I'll let you know what I hear.
Stafford On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 8:50?AM damian.greene via <damian.greene= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Stafford,
Congratulations on the new boat.
I'm missing the emergency tiller too, and got the drawings from Sabre - basically a T-handle with a lug on the end to engage with the rudder shaft. I was thinking of getting one made up, but then got to thinking that the emergency tiller would likely be next to useless in a real-world situation. I am thinking that I would at a minimum need a "cheater bar" to give added leverage.
Two years ago I got a quote of $430 from
Nautilus Marine Fabrication & Propeller, Inc 13 Industrial Way Trenton, Maine 04605 207.667.1119
This was in stainless, not primed and painted galvanized pipe, so likely added quite a bit to the cost. This was just because Nautilus only work in stainless.
So questions:
1) Any feedback from others on the utility of that emergency tiller, or how to configure it.
2) Does anyone have a better design?
Assuming a positive response to these questions, and you get the right pricing, I may be interesting in joining in on the order.
Regards,
Damian Greene Sabre 38-1 Freefall Bass Harbor, ME
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On Monday, February 24, 2025 at 01:19:55 PM GMT, Stafford Soule via <scsoule= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi all. I have purchased a 2005 Sabre 386. The emergency tiller has somehow gone missing and the company who built these for Sabre is no longer in existence. Glen gave me the specs to have a new one built by a machine shop but, before I do, I thought that I'd check to see if anyone has an old one hanging around.
Thanks. Stafford Soule? Winter's Dream
<Sabre emergency tiller T handle.pdf>
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
Bob -?
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I use State Farm for my 1985 S32, no survey required, and I only pay $348 per year.
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Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
Yes, the only limitation is your will be restricted to 80% of the purchase price as agreed value with Progressive. **
James H. Wilson, Jr.
Attorney & Counsellor at Law By appt. only: 4860 Cox Road, Suite 200 Glen Allen, VA 23060 804-740-6464 jameswilson29@...
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You might try Progressive. When GEICO cancelled my policy I was able to sign up with Progressive online without a survey for my 1986 S32
Dave Castor? Port Angeles, Wash I just received notice from Geico BoatUS that because of the age of my boat, I must obtain a survey in order to renew my policy.
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Can anyone recommend a good surveyor for this purpose in my area?? Boat is on the hard.? Any other input/insights are appreciated.
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Bob Lucke
1989 S30 III (#215)?FINALLEE
Galesville, MD
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Hi all: Purchased a Sabre34 last Spring-she's an old girl--1982. Both Geico and Progressive would not insure over 40 years old.
I found United Marine Underwriters and they were wonderful. Cost very competitive to what the other two would have charged if they, in fact, would insure my boat.
I had an unfortunate lightning strike, knocking out all electronics, and they responded quickly and effectively. They did not quibble over any of the bills that were presented. The check came faster than I would have thought with no equivocation.The policy was only three months old at the time of incident. I would highly recommend it.
Claudia Lucey AT LAST Rear Commodore Atlantic Highoands YC Atlantic HIghlands, NJ
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You might try Progressive. When GEICO cancelled my policy I was able to sign up with Progressive online without a survey for my 1986 S32
Dave Castor? Port Angeles, Wash
I just received notice from Geico BoatUS that because of the age of my boat, I must obtain a survey in order to renew my policy.
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Can anyone recommend a good surveyor for this purpose in my area?? Boat is on the hard.? Any other input/insights are appreciated.
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Bob Lucke
1989 S30 III (#215)?FINALLEE
Galesville, MD
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This is great!? Thanks so much for all of the replies.? Lots of leads I will run to ground once I can refocus my attention back to it in a few weeks.
I'll report back here ...
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Thanks all!
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Kevin Novak
sv Hemlock
2004 S362 #268
Brunswick, GA
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Re: S386 Emergency Tiller
Jim - thank you. Good to know it actually worked in an emergency, and for advice on an extension.
Damian
On Monday, February 24, 2025 at 02:25:32 PM GMT, nan dunaway via groups.io <nandunaway@...> wrote:
Our steering quadrant cracked following a grounding on Great Wicomoco River several years ago and was forced to use emergency tiller to reach home south of York river. Should have used engine but wind was good so sailed. Jib fuller hung up and couldn¡¯t be furled. I was so exhausted ?I had to crawl partway down our pier to get to the house. Definitely devise an extension to bring the tiller as far forward as possible, limited by steering pedestal position.
Jim Dunaway
Seaward
Sabre 34-1 #54
Norfolk, Va.
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We also upgraded to lithium last summer (2024) on our 362 and have used them continuously since. We took a slightly different direction and installed two 330 Ah Victron batteries instead of three 200 Ah batteries. It is slightly more capacity for about $100 more, but the batteries fit in a smaller space (except for the height). A very small modification of the board that covers the battery compartment was necessary, but other than that, the larger batteries fit well in approximately?the same space as our two old AGM batteries.
Robert Oswald 1995 Sabre 362, #135 Annapolis, MD
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Hey Scott,? for sure!? pm me.?
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Tim,? Totally fair point on smaller footprint, internal BMS, and maybe internal fusing?? ? I was at the limits of my electrical design time/capabilities so I hit the "easy button" and did all Victron.
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The external fusing was a challenge to find space for.
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Zach
1995 Sabre 362
Houston, TX
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Re: S386 Emergency Tiller
Hi Stafford,
That design looks much more usable, and is quite different. See attached - what I was given as a drawing is a simple T-handle
Yes, please let me know what you work out. My direct email: damian.greene@...
I will have to wait until I get back to my boat, to confirm that this improved design will work for me. At a minimum, this gives me a much better design to work with. This is more in line with what I was thinking of.
Regards,
Damian
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On Monday, February 24, 2025 at 02:02:47 PM GMT, Stafford Soule via groups.io <scsoule@...> wrote:
Hi Damian. Here is the design that Glen sent me. Not sure if it is the same design that you have. I'm getting a quote right now from Matt StCyr at Cumberland Ironworks near Freeport, ME. I'll let you know what I hear.
Stafford
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 8:50?AM damian.greene via <damian.greene= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Stafford,
Congratulations on the new boat.
I'm missing the emergency tiller too, and got the drawings from Sabre - basically a T-handle with a lug on the end to engage with the rudder shaft. I was thinking of getting one made up, but then got to thinking that the emergency tiller would likely be next to useless in a real-world situation. I am thinking that I would at a minimum need a "cheater bar" to give added leverage.
Two years ago I got a quote of $430 from
Nautilus Marine Fabrication & Propeller, Inc 13 Industrial Way Trenton, Maine 04605 207.667.1119
This was in stainless, not primed and painted galvanized pipe, so likely added quite a bit to the cost. This was just because Nautilus only work in stainless.
So questions:
1) Any feedback from others on the utility of that emergency tiller, or how to configure it.
2) Does anyone have a better design?
Assuming a positive response to these questions, and you get the right pricing, I may be interesting in joining in on the order.
Regards,
Damian Greene Sabre 38-1 Freefall Bass Harbor, ME
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On Monday, February 24, 2025 at 01:19:55 PM GMT, Stafford Soule via <scsoule= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi all. I have purchased a 2005 Sabre 386. The emergency tiller has somehow gone missing and the company who built these for Sabre is no longer in existence. Glen gave me the specs to have a new one built by a machine shop but, before I do, I thought that I'd check to see if anyone has an old one hanging around.
Thanks. Stafford Soule? Winter's Dream
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Re: S386 Emergency Tiller
Our steering quadrant cracked following a grounding on Great Wicomoco River several years ago and was forced to use emergency tiller to reach home south of York river. Should have used engine but wind was good so sailed. Jib fuller hung up and couldn¡¯t be furled. I was so exhausted ?I had to crawl partway down our pier to get to the house. Definitely devise an extension to bring the tiller as far forward as possible, limited by steering pedestal position.
Jim Dunaway
Seaward
Sabre 34-1 #54
Norfolk, Va.
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
Is that ¡°none currently¡¯ some kind of strange electrical issue ? ?<G> Just asking for a friend.
Bill Kellner S32 Sandusky Ohio
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 8:05?AM David Lochner via <davelochner= [email protected]> wrote: Bob,
I just went through this with GEICO. After they receive the survey you¡¯ll get a letter stating they will continue insuring the boat once all the recommendations from the Survey are completed. My surveyor¡¯s recommendation was ¡°none currently.¡± I¡¯ve been trying to figure out how to fix ¡°none currently.¡± ?
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
I just received notice from Geico BoatUS that because of the age of my boat, I must obtain a survey in order to renew my policy.
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Can anyone recommend a good surveyor for this purpose in my area?? Boat is on the hard.? Any other input/insights are appreciated.
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Bob Lucke
1989 S30 III (#215)?FINALLEE
Galesville, MD
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Re: S386 Emergency Tiller
Hi Damian. Here is the design that Glen sent me. Not sure if it is the same design that you have. I'm getting a quote right now from Matt StCyr at Cumberland Ironworks near Freeport, ME. I'll let you know what I hear.
Stafford
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 8:50?AM damian.greene via <damian.greene= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Stafford,
Congratulations on the new boat.
I'm missing the emergency tiller too, and got the drawings from Sabre - basically a T-handle with a lug on the end to engage with the rudder shaft. I was thinking of getting one made up, but then got to thinking that the emergency tiller would likely be next to useless in a real-world situation. I am thinking that I would at a minimum need a "cheater bar" to give added leverage.
Two years ago I got a quote of $430 from
Nautilus Marine Fabrication & Propeller, Inc 13 Industrial Way Trenton, Maine 04605 207.667.1119
This was in stainless, not primed and painted galvanized pipe, so likely added quite a bit to the cost. This was just because Nautilus only work in stainless.
So questions:
1) Any feedback from others on the utility of that emergency tiller, or how to configure it.
2) Does anyone have a better design?
Assuming a positive response to these questions, and you get the right pricing, I may be interesting in joining in on the order.
Regards,
Damian Greene Sabre 38-1 Freefall Bass Harbor, ME
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On Monday, February 24, 2025 at 01:19:55 PM GMT, Stafford Soule via <scsoule= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi all. I have purchased a 2005 Sabre 386. The emergency tiller has somehow gone missing and the company who built these for Sabre is no longer in existence. Glen gave me the specs to have a new one built by a machine shop but, before I do, I thought that I'd check to see if anyone has an old one hanging around.
Thanks. Stafford Soule? Winter's Dream
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While the pictures look different than on a 402, we had challenges last year with excessive vibration - which probably turned out to be caused by several?factors.? First on the?list (and suggested in a previous comment on this thread) was engine alignment. In Sapphire's case, we had a few engine mounts that were cracked/loose.? Second, the max prop may not have been fully opening and has since been sent to PYI for conditioning.? We checked the shaft (straight). We thought about a drive coupling unit (Sigma Drive or similar) and didn't want to mask a symptom. Sapphire also has a dripless seal, and agree, this is not a process that should be done while in?the water.
Best of luck Fair winds, Mike
~~ _/) ~~ svSapphire 2001 Sabre 402 Atlantic Highland, NJ
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The cone is a Yanmar part number:? Cone Kanzaki KM4A KM3A-1- KM2P-1 Yanmar 177073-03170
And available from this dealer in the Netherlands and probably somewhere in the US. Perhaps??if they can sell in GA.?
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Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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I just had breakfast with a well regarded Annapolis Surveyor, Robert Noyce and showed him the three photos.? He says the two grey rings are part of the flexible shaft coupling.?
He said that the two culprits causing this failure could be either a seriously out of alignment motor or something got snagged on the prop/shaft while running??causing the failure.? He thinks the latter is more likely and that if it were the former, the amount of vibration from an engine out of alignment would have been significant enough to be noticed.?
Alan
---Alan Pressman
Windswept?
Phone; 941-350-1559
On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 6:35?AM David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via
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Cause of break?? Misalignment?
Good time to install a Sigma Drive coupling. Smooth running even if slightly misaligned.?
Dunno about doing it in the water tho.?
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Hello,
New to the group here and I'm trying to sort out a broken shaft coupling.? Does anyone know what the apparent "spacers" are between the transmission and the shaft coupling flange?? I'm trying to gain some understanding of the current setup, what might have gone wrong, etc. before beginning disassembly (in the water btw).
Thanks for any insight!
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Kevin Novak
sv Hemlock?
2004 Sabre 362 (#268)
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
Re: S386 Emergency Tiller
Hi Stafford,
Congratulations on the new boat.
I'm missing the emergency tiller too, and got the drawings from Sabre - basically a T-handle with a lug on the end to engage with the rudder shaft. I was thinking of getting one made up, but then got to thinking that the emergency tiller would likely be next to useless in a real-world situation. I am thinking that I would at a minimum need a "cheater bar" to give added leverage.
Two years ago I got a quote of $430 from
Nautilus Marine Fabrication & Propeller, Inc 13 Industrial Way Trenton, Maine 04605 207.667.1119
This was in stainless, not primed and painted galvanized pipe, so likely added quite a bit to the cost. This was just because Nautilus only work in stainless.
So questions:
1) Any feedback from others on the utility of that emergency tiller, or how to configure it.
2) Does anyone have a better design?
Assuming a positive response to these questions, and you get the right pricing, I may be interesting in joining in on the order.
Regards,
Damian Greene Sabre 38-1 Freefall Bass Harbor, ME
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On Monday, February 24, 2025 at 01:19:55 PM GMT, Stafford Soule via groups.io <scsoule@...> wrote:
Hi all. I have purchased a 2005 Sabre 386. The emergency tiller has somehow gone missing and the company who built these for Sabre is no longer in existence. Glen gave me the specs to have a new one built by a machine shop but, before I do, I thought that I'd check to see if anyone has an old one hanging around.
Thanks. Stafford Soule? Winter's Dream
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Philip Horn
David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME
Tim Dokken
James Wilson
Stafford Soule