Re: Shari pi4b hat mobile
The answer to that question depends on how active the nodes are
that you connect to, and what codec is being used.
A typical connection will use either ULAW (64 kb/sec) or G.726
(32 kb/sec.) Remember, though that data usage is negligible when
nothing is being transmitted. Just registration, keep-alive
packets and telemetry stuff.
For a bit of perspective, a very active 3 hour net with very
little downtime between transmissions at 64kb/sec used just over
82 MB (megabytes) of data.
If you connect to a node with a lot less going on, of course,
that usage will go down.
On 2/7/2023 9:04 AM, Mike Charters
VA6PLC wrote:
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How much data do you burn through going mobile off a cell phone?
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Re: Shari pi4b hat mobile
How much data do you burn through going mobile off a cell phone?
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Re: Libre SBC, and also AURSINC Shari
Hi Carl,
I read your comment with great interest. I am assembling a Shari Pi Allstar node and scrolling through the comments looking for info on why it isn’t working. That’s not why I’m writing this. I may have found the clues.?
Besides ham radio I am a tinkerer. It’s lots of fun. I saw your comment about using a SDR for oddball things. Have you built the smart power meter reader? You can answer at K5GD at ARRL.net if you have. I would like to hear about it.?
Yes I agree. These small SBCs are great values and enable many hours of fun along with useful projects at times.?
73 K5GD Wayne Dossey?
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Hi Anthony,
Thank you for letting me know. I just read about that this afternoon, in another group, and realized that I would have to dedicate a Pi to the Shari after all. I have a tendency to dive headfirst into hobbies, and am currently playing catch up with Allstar. And as is often the case, I underestimated the necessary knowledge, while overestimating my ability to absorb it. But this is one of my favorite things about ham radio - it is trivially easy to dive into the deep end, get lost in information, and learn how to swim as a result. :)
BTW, if you are serious about having a 'le Potato' collecting dust that you want some ideas for, please feel free to email, I am happy to share a bit of my ADHD with you, if you feel like brainstorming something you can do with that cool toy. You could read your smart power meter (with a $10 SDR) and report your power consumption to a home automation system, or build an ADS-B logger, or build a facial recognition doorbell with tensor flow. IMHO, for the price, single board computers are an unbeatable value toy.?
73,
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Re: Libre SBC, and also AURSINC Shari
Hi? Carl, libre le potatoe will not work on Alkstar, dahdi does not support arm64. I tried, it will work on dvswitch but not on Allstar. But if you make it work all the better, I can use my le potatoe seating and collecting dust on my desk
Good luck
73
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 5:35 PM Carl < carl@...> wrote: Yep, I have already sent an email and received the automated response, and now it is just a question of when and where I will be sending the Paypal payment to. The enthusiasm everyone here showed for the Shari made it an easy decision. And now begins the wait - like all skilled hobby craftsmen, this one has a backlog. As much as I love Amazon for becoming the mass transit of capitalism, streamlining things so well that our demand for instant gratification has fueled lower prices and tremendous opportunities to save gasoline and cut pollution, especially with them moving toward EVs, there is a lot to be said for anticipation. Besides, good things are always worth waiting for.
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Just for the record, this was never about saving a few bucks, it was about weighing the differences and making a decision based on value. If ham radio was about paying as little as possible, the entire hobby would consist of Altoid tin Pixie rigs and Baofengs. A lot of us may be careful shoppers, but I bet every person reading this message spends more on hobbies than the gross national product of a tiny country. :)
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What has been cool is reading about Allstar. I was getting into it just to kill a few hours over a few weekends. To be perfectly honest, I anticipated it being a slightly more open flavor of DMR or Dstar etc. In other words, I was getting into it just for the fun of the learning curve, and fully expected whatever Allstar gadgetry I accumulate to end up on a shelf in the disused corner of my radio room. DMR and the other little 70cm / 2m digital modes are awesome, on paper, but once you have numerous different MMDVM type tech running under different operating systems feeding logs to a custom front end that pulls data from everything into Grafana, where it is mixed with Brandmeister's last heard data just for good measure, you can practically visualize in your sleep how you want to arrange your next codeplug and which MMDVM and TS you intend to use for each mode, etc. And if you are like me, just doing projects for the fun of the voyage, knowing they have short expiration dates due to the boredom factor - well, you become accustomed to getting bored quickly, especially given that, after a year on DMR, I can count the number of QSOs with strangers that I have had on my fingers, if you don't count chats with personal friends. (this post certainly isn't reflecting this fact, but I talk very little in real life. A good conversation with a new friend can be one of life's greatest pleasures, but I like turning screwdrivers more than discussing the benefits of the Philips vs. flathead ). HF is ham like I always thought it would be, but IRLP type repeating seemed more like my day job than radio. But the more I read, the more interesting it becomes. I mean, Asterisk? Really? I hadn't even thought about that project since back when it was the only scalable and open PBX game in town, and you guys are playing radio with it? Not even exaggerating a little when I say that my heart beats a little faster when I think about the possibilities, and the ingenuity of you folks. Allstar could be more than a few month phase after all.?
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And the Libre le Potato looks like it will work fine with Allstar. All the better, too, the Pi ecosystem was breakthrough tech in its day, heck, I still have a Pi1 collecting ADS-B data, and I hope they hit the ground running when they return, but I'm not paying $200 for a $50 SBC. I bet G4KLX's MMDVMHost code could be modded to compile and run on one of the wall wart SheevaPlug type computers we have in the back of a junk closet somewhere, so imho, grossly overpaying for a Pi is lunacy. There are some excellent non-Pi options that fill the gap between now and the near future, when we can get back to having Pi Zero Ws practically falling out of our pockets.?
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Okay, sorry to get so far off-topic, I just wanted to express my gratitude, both for the good buying advice, and for helping pump me up for this next hobby arc. 73s everyone, here is hoping tht we all stay warm, safe and well fed.
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carl
KY4GD
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Re: Libre SBC, and also AURSINC Shari
Yep, I have already sent an email and received the automated response, and now it is just a question of when and where I will be sending the Paypal payment to. The enthusiasm everyone here showed for the Shari made it an easy decision. And now begins the wait - like all skilled hobby craftsmen, this one has a backlog. As much as I love Amazon for becoming the mass transit of capitalism, streamlining things so well that our demand for instant gratification has fueled lower prices and tremendous opportunities to save gasoline and cut pollution, especially with them moving toward EVs, there is a lot to be said for anticipation. Besides, good things are always worth waiting for.
?
Just for the record, this was never about saving a few bucks, it was about weighing the differences and making a decision based on value. If ham radio was about paying as little as possible, the entire hobby would consist of Altoid tin Pixie rigs and Baofengs. A lot of us may be careful shoppers, but I bet every person reading this message spends more on hobbies than the gross national product of a tiny country. :)
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What has been cool is reading about Allstar. I was getting into it just to kill a few hours over a few weekends. To be perfectly honest, I anticipated it being a slightly more open flavor of DMR or Dstar etc. In other words, I was getting into it just for the fun of the learning curve, and fully expected whatever Allstar gadgetry I accumulate to end up on a shelf in the disused corner of my radio room. DMR and the other little 70cm / 2m digital modes are awesome, on paper, but once you have numerous different MMDVM type tech running under different operating systems feeding logs to a custom front end that pulls data from everything into Grafana, where it is mixed with Brandmeister's last heard data just for good measure, you can practically visualize in your sleep how you want to arrange your next codeplug and which MMDVM and TS you intend to use for each mode, etc. And if you are like me, just doing projects for the fun of the voyage, knowing they have short expiration dates due to the boredom factor - well, you become accustomed to getting bored quickly, especially given that, after a year on DMR, I can count the number of QSOs with strangers that I have had on my fingers, if you don't count chats with personal friends. (this post certainly isn't reflecting this fact, but I talk very little in real life. A good conversation with a new friend can be one of life's greatest pleasures, but I like turning screwdrivers more than discussing the benefits of the Philips vs. flathead ). HF is ham like I always thought it would be, but IRLP type repeating seemed more like my day job than radio. But the more I read, the more interesting it becomes. I mean, Asterisk? Really? I hadn't even thought about that project since back when it was the only scalable and open PBX game in town, and you guys are playing radio with it? Not even exaggerating a little when I say that my heart beats a little faster when I think about the possibilities, and the ingenuity of you folks. Allstar could be more than a few month phase after all.?
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And the Libre le Potato looks like it will work fine with Allstar. All the better, too, the Pi ecosystem was breakthrough tech in its day, heck, I still have a Pi1 collecting ADS-B data, and I hope they hit the ground running when they return, but I'm not paying $200 for a $50 SBC. I bet G4KLX's MMDVMHost code could be modded to compile and run on one of the wall wart SheevaPlug type computers we have in the back of a junk closet somewhere, so imho, grossly overpaying for a Pi is lunacy. There are some excellent non-Pi options that fill the gap between now and the near future, when we can get back to having Pi Zero Ws practically falling out of our pockets.?
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Okay, sorry to get so far off-topic, I just wanted to express my gratitude, both for the good buying advice, and for helping pump me up for this next hobby arc. 73s everyone, here is hoping tht we all stay warm, safe and well fed.
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carl
KY4GD
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Re: Libre SBC, and also AURSINC Shari
Folks, I can confirm what Steve says about SMA RF press-in barrel connectors. I have one of the early Shari Pi3U's that used this connector and it did come loose. It was impossible to reseat it properly therefore there were serious connectivity issues with the antenna rendering the Shari useless. Fortunately, it is an authentic Shari and Steve sent me one of the newer threaded connectors. If you want the best quality Shari, spend a little more money and purchase an authentic model from KitsforHams. They are not only higher quality, as you can see they offer after sales support if needed. Conclusion: You get what you pay for.
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73 75 Mark????
Port Colborne, Ontario,?CANADA
??Echolink Node# 736666
LIFE has an EXPIRY date. No Trees were harmed in creating this message, however, many electrons were inconvenienced.
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Re: Audio narrow and thin
Start by analyzing your audio digitized by the CM108B.? I suspect you will find that your audio is fine.? This document in the Files section of this group tells you a way to do it. /g/SHARI/files/Listening%20to%20the%20audio%20passing%20through%20your%20Allstar%20node.pdf.. This shows you how to turn on recording in Allstar.? It records the audio as WAV files.? It records both RX audio and TX audio creating a new WAV file every time PTT or COS is activated.? I recommend using the spectrum analysis capability in Audacity (freeware program) to look at it.
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Folks,
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I have both PiHAT VHF and UHF.
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I connected to a node that is also bridged over to an XLX Reflectors.
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I have tried many different radios, be it HT or even based rig with V-U capabilities.
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My issue was my audio came out on the other end were narrow, tiny, thing no mid range or bass at all.
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Not know how to correct the audio issue, if I could some how decreasing the treble down to a minimum would be good. If there such a thing in HAMVOIP some where that would allow me to accomplish the task?
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73, Kit
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Re: PI-HAt on A+ - 1 USB port
Thank you Steve and Luis for the picture, Helps a lot. Will give it a go when I get my pi-hat.
Thanks again.
Dave/AD4UU
On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 10:23 PM N8AR < n8ar73@...> wrote: I think PP23 is Black (D-) and PP22 is Red (D+).? If that doesn't work just swap them
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I have for sale??A fully assembled and tested SHARI PiHat kit with Pi 4-2? asking? $200? VHF module.? I also have a? UHF Module also if you want UHF instead of VHF.
text me for more info 406-242-0260
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Re: PI-HAt on A+ - 1 USB port
I think PP23 is Black (D-) and PP22 is Red (D+).? If that doesn't work just swap them
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Re: PI-HAt on A+ - 1 USB port
Hello Steve, Thanks very much for your response.? Attached is the picture on one of my Pi 3 A+ boards.? Showing PP23 and PP24.
Are these the same as TP23 and TP24.? I would solder to these two pins to the right of the PP22 and PP23 labels.
Picture attached
Thank you
Dave/AD4UU
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Re: PI-HAt on A+ - 1 USB port
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On Feb 5, 2023, at 10:55, N8AR <n8ar73@...> wrote:
?Solder the red and black wires to the test pads associated with the two middle pins (Tp22 and TP23) of the USB connector.? Looking at a picture of the bottom of the board on the web, I think the black wire should be the test pad to the right when you are looking at the board such that the test pad is above the actual pin.(TP23).
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Solder the red and black wires to the test pads associated with the two middle pins (Tp22 and TP23) of the USB connector.? Looking at a picture of the bottom of the board on the web, I think the black wire should be the test pad to the right when you are looking at the board such that the test pad is above the actual pin.(TP23).
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PI-HAt on A+ - 1 USB port
I have on order a pi-hat that I would like to use with a pi 3 A+ board. Be a great portable package.
I am seeing great documentation on the pi 3 B+ with pictures on were to solder the wires for the JST jack.
Is anyone using the pi-3 A+ with the one USB port and have pictures were these wires will solder to?
I do have the pi 3 B+ boards but would prefer the pi 3 A+.
Thanks
Dave/AD4UUI
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Re: Libre SBC, and also AURSINC Shari
I misspoke, I meant the SHARI software stack as implemented in support of the Kitsforhams SHARI when I said "the Allstar software."
When you use a different processor and have to cobble your software stack together by hand, it isn't really a SHARI is it?? Ken, N2VIP
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On Feb 4, 2023, at 07:35, Tony Langdon <vk3jed@...> wrote:
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Hmm, AllStar was originally written for
the i386 architecture, and later was ported to run on x86_64 and
ARM.? You may be talking about HamVoIP, but there's nothing
stopping one from attempting to use ASL on an x86_64 with a USB
SHARI.? ASL does work with a SHARI (I use ASL, not HamVoIP on a Pi
myself), and the configuration tools for the SA-818 are written in
Python, so I can't see why it wouldn't work.
On 4/2/23 3:18 pm, Ken N2VIP wrote:
Short answer, the AURSINC is a knock-off/clone, it has been known
to have issues, and the kitsforhams fellow will not provide
assistance, since he gets no revenue from the sale.
As for RPis, the RPi Foundation says they are coming back to
market, and prices and availability should become more
"reasonable." (My word) Somecretailers are taking backorders and
shipping RPi 4.
The Libre, I have no idea.
The Allstar software stack is written for the RPi OS
ecosystem, probably hard to rewrite it for an x86-based PC,
very, very different. Not impossible, but not trivial.H
The AURSINC board is about connectivity, and it doesn't run
pi-star, it runs other software and only supports a few modes,
etc.
Good luck,
Ken, N2VIP
?Hello everyone,
Just about to start tinkering with AllStar, and after some
reading, I hoped to hear a couple opinions from the many of
you with experience.
Firstly, I would like to use anything other than an
overpriced RasPi. Has anyone used the Shari with either a
Libre SBC or with a UART <--> USB? Both BlueDV and
MMDVMHost, for example, run fine on a standard windows or
linux PC connected to a Pi hat via a $10 Aursinc interface,
which cuts Pi right out of the picture. I would like very
much to do this with Allstar, but setting up the antiquated
Debian versions felt more like archeology than radio. I
would like to run the Shari on a PC or a contemporary SBC
other than Pi, and Libre looks promising. I will have one
tomorrow, and will be able to experimentally configure an
MMDVM on it, to test OS and GPIO compatibility and I will
report results, but any preliminary thoughts or advice,
especially from anyone having done this will be gratefully
appreciated.?
Also, I am curious about any differences between the
KitsForhams and the Aursinc Shari. The Aursinc is under $100
and can be purchased on Amazon, but it has apparently been
"upgraded" from SR818 to SR-FRS. Is this an upgrade, a
largely irrelevant lateral move, or a significant loss? With
no current experience with Allstar, I am ill equipped to
guess.?
Thanks in advance for any information that anyone might have
time to share, and the very best wishes / 73 to all.?
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
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Hello all, I too will attest to the amazing quality and superb support provided by Kits For Hams (KFH).? Being (and still am) a novice on Allstar, this was my first experience with this technology, so I was pretty low on the learning curve.? I bought an authentic SHARI Unistorm kit from KFH that they preassembled and tested the unit. The hardware is 1st class and works just fine as described.? Their step-by-step set-up documentation was huge in helping me understand the "how to" as was this forum.? It's been my experience that you won't go wrong if you buy your unit from Kits For Hams.
Good luck and hope to hear y'all out there. 73's Dan N2DTO
On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 8:37 AM Ruben Tiosejo < RST0313@...> wrote: Hello Steve/everyone.
Thanks for the detailed response back on the Aursinc.
It's a good thing that some new hams will ask about this first before they purchase.
Unfortunately not all of them ask first and purchased it immediately w/o researching it first.
My initial experience with the SHARI was I heard it on the air after I had my ClearNode. And wanted another AllStar node. After some research on YouTube and the Internet. Found out it's a legitimate product.
The Customer Support was Truly Exceptional as it is highest customer service rating.
I initially bought the SHARI Pi4U and after a year purchase the PiHat.
So I have 2x SHARI already can be view on my QRZ page.
I totally recommend any New Ham the SHARI for quality, reliability after it been fully configured. Plus the savings on building your own or fully assembled.
Stay Safe.
73 Ruben Tiosejo KD6CWI? On Fri, Feb 3, 2023, 10:20 PM N8AR < n8ar73@...> wrote: The Aursinc SHARI is a Chinese ripoff clone of the genuine SHARI by N8AR. There are numerous problems and issues with it.?
First and foremost, according to FCC, it is illegal for sale in the US because it can be programmed outside the ham bands but is not FCC authorized for operation there.? This is discussed extensively in FCC Enforcement Advisory document DA 18-980.
This information has been communicated to Amazon but they are apparently ignoring it.
The NiceRF SA818S used in the SHARI products has custom firmware that will not allow it to be programmed outside the ham bands.?
Second, neither the original clone using the SA818 or the clone unit using the SR-FRS use a low pass filter on the output.? I have verified by measurement that the original clone does not comply with FCC Part 97 (amateur radio rules and regulations)
It violates the rule for spurious emissions so it may not be used by amateurs in the US.
“the mean power of any??supplied to the antenna transmission line must not exceed 25 ?W and must be at least 40 dB below the mean power of the fundamental emission”
?According to our measurements of the original clone using the NiceRF SA818,? the second harmonic of the Aursinc “SHARI” was only 33 dB below the carrier.? The required spurious level for the 32.3 dBm output power of the unit we tested is greater than 48.3 dBc (32.3+166=48.3).
Here is a plot of the spectrum we measured from the original clone.
We have not measured the new Aursinc clone using the UHF SR-FRS module.? We did acquire the VHF version of the SR-FRS module and measured it without a low pass filter.? The second harmonic is less than 10 dB below the carrier.?
Unless the UHF SR-FRS module is drastically different, I would expect similar non-compliance without a low pass filter.
The Kits for Hams original SHARI uses an LTCC low pass filter from mini-circuits.? They are expensive.? Around $3 for UHF and $4 FOR VHF.? Every kit we assemble is tested for output power, frequency, deviation and spurious/harmonics.? SHARI's second and third harmonic is typically greater than -60 dBc.? All other spurious is typically greater than -70 dBc.?
Another major difference between the original N8AR designed SHARI and the Chinese clone is the quality of the TypeA male USB connectors.? ?In the first prototypes of the SHARI PiXX we used some Chinese connectors.? During testing we experienced intermittent USB operation on one of the units.? An investigation determined that the problem was caused by the design of the terminals on the Chinese USB connectors.? In a Type A female USB connector the terminal is a flat piece of metal with a ridge (running lengthwise).? The 4 terminals are located in grooves in a plastic “holder”.? In order for the terminals to contact the mating terminal in the female connector, the ridge must be higher than the groove.
In the Chinese USB connecter used in the Aursinc clone, they barely rise above the groove.? In addition, the connectors are tin plated.? The front of the ridge is not smoothly formed.? It has a sharp edge that will scrape material off the mating terminal.? They cost less than 5 cents each.
The USB connectors used in the original Kits for Hams SHARI PiXX are from CUI in Japan.? They cost around 50 cents each.? They have a well defined smooth, stamped ridge and are gold plated as shown in the following photo.
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Here are some more problems with the Aursinc clone SHARI.
The SMA RF connector barrel is press-in to the body.? The SHARI SMA connector barrel is threaded into the body because early-on we found some of the press-in ones were coming loose.
The SR-FRS module used in the Aursinc clone uses some different commands for programming so the SA818-prog program will not work with it.
No VHF model.
Blocks the ethernet connector when plugged into a Pi4
Aursinc plagarized written material word-for-word from our web pages and used it in their Amazon information even though it is not correct for their product.
?Finally, to add insult to injury, Aursinc brazenly refers you to the SHARI group for setup documents and support.? Here is their answer to a question about support.
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?We will not support this clone.However, I believe we provide outstanding support for our product.
Steve - N8AR
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Also, We need to support those who support us. Kits for Hams is always there to help. ? Rich ?
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Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 11:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SHARI] Libre SBC, and also AURSINC Shari? Short answer, the AURSINC is a knock-off/clone, it has been known to have issues, and the kitsforhams fellow will not provide assistance, since he gets no revenue from the sale. As for RPis, the RPi Foundation says they are coming back to market, and prices and availability should become more "reasonable." (My word) Somecretailers are taking backorders and shipping RPi 4. The Libre, I have no idea. The Allstar software stack is written for the RPi OS ecosystem, probably hard to rewrite it for an x86-based PC, very, very different. Not impossible, but not trivial. The AURSINC board is about connectivity, and it doesn't run pi-star, it runs other software and only supports a few modes, etc. ?
On Feb 3, 2023, at 21:33, Carl <carl@...> wrote: ?Hello everyone,
Just about to start tinkering with AllStar, and after some reading, I hoped to hear a couple opinions from the many of you with experience.
Firstly, I would like to use anything other than an overpriced RasPi. Has anyone used the Shari with either a Libre SBC or with a UART <--> USB? Both BlueDV and MMDVMHost, for example, run fine on a standard windows or linux PC connected to a Pi hat via a $10 Aursinc interface, which cuts Pi right out of the picture. I would like very much to do this with Allstar, but setting up the antiquated Debian versions felt more like archeology than radio. I would like to run the Shari on a PC or a contemporary SBC other than Pi, and Libre looks promising. I will have one tomorrow, and will be able to experimentally configure an MMDVM on it, to test OS and GPIO compatibility and I will report results, but any preliminary thoughts or advice, especially from anyone having done this will be gratefully appreciated.?
Also, I am curious about any differences between the KitsForhams and the Aursinc Shari. The Aursinc is under $100 and can be purchased on Amazon, but it has apparently been "upgraded" from SR818 to SR-FRS. Is this an upgrade, a largely irrelevant lateral move, or a significant loss? With no current experience with Allstar, I am ill equipped to guess.?
Thanks in advance for any information that anyone might have time to share, and the very best wishes / 73 to all.?
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Thank you all for making my decision to shun the Aursinc clone as easy. I will be placing an order for the authentic Shari right away. I saw the clone on Amazon and thought it was a maybe, but your advice and wisdom closed the book on that train of thought before I was even finished reading the entire thread. I had thought that perhaps the Aursinc was appropriately licensed or something, since hey used the Shari name. And I should know better by now.
Originators get my business; imitators get my disdain.?
Thanks again everyone, any further questions I might ask will refer to the authentic device, once I have it in front of me. 73 all,
Carl
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Mike Charters VA6PLC
Wayne Dossey
Carl
Mark VE3JMR
Steve-N8AR
