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Re: Libre SBC, and also AURSINC Shari
Hello Steve/everyone. Thanks for the detailed response back on the Aursinc. It's a good thing that some new hams will ask about this first before they purchase. Unfortunately not all of them ask first and purchased it immediately w/o researching it first. My initial experience with the SHARI was I heard it on the air after I had my ClearNode. And wanted another AllStar node. After some research on YouTube and the Internet. Found out it's a legitimate product. The Customer Support was Truly Exceptional as it is highest customer service rating. I initially bought the SHARI Pi4U and after a year purchase the PiHat. So I have 2x SHARI already can be view on my QRZ page. I totally recommend any New Ham the SHARI for quality, reliability after it been fully configured. Plus the savings on building your own or fully assembled. Stay Safe. 73 Ruben Tiosejo KD6CWI? On Fri, Feb 3, 2023, 10:20 PM N8AR <n8ar73@...> wrote:
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Re: Libre SBC, and also AURSINC Shari
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHmm, AllStar was originally written for
the i386 architecture, and later was ported to run on x86_64 and
ARM.? You may be talking about HamVoIP, but there's nothing
stopping one from attempting to use ASL on an x86_64 with a USB
SHARI.? ASL does work with a SHARI (I use ASL, not HamVoIP on a Pi
myself), and the configuration tools for the SA-818 are written in
Python, so I can't see why it wouldn't work.
On 4/2/23 3:18 pm, Ken N2VIP wrote:
Short answer, the AURSINC is a knock-off/clone, it has been known to have issues, and the kitsforhams fellow will not provide assistance, since he gets no revenue from the sale.
-- 73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL |
Re: Libre SBC, and also AURSINC Shari
The Aursinc SHARI is a Chinese ripoff clone of the genuine SHARI by N8AR. There are numerous problems and issues with it.? First and foremost, according to FCC, it is illegal for sale in the US because it can be programmed outside the ham bands but is not FCC authorized for operation there.? This is discussed extensively in FCC Enforcement Advisory document DA 18-980.
This information has been communicated to Amazon but they are apparently ignoring it. The NiceRF SA818S used in the SHARI products has custom firmware that will not allow it to be programmed outside the ham bands.? Second, neither the original AURSINC clone using the SA818 or their new clone unit using the SR-FRS use a low pass filter on the output. ?I have verified by measurement that the original clone does not comply with FCC Part 97 (amateur radio rules and regulations) It violates the rule for spurious emissions so it may not be used by amateurs in the US.? The sputious emissions requirement is,?¡°the mean power of any??supplied to the antenna transmission line must not exceed 25 ?W and must be at least 40 dB below the mean power of the fundamental emission¡± ?According to our measurements of the original clone using the NiceRF SA818,? the second harmonic of the Aursinc ¡°SHARI¡± was only 33 dB below the carrier.? The required spurious level for the 32.3 dBm output power of the unit we tested is greater than 48.3 dBc (32.3+166=48.3). Here is a plot of the spectrum we measured from the original clone. We have not measured the new Aursinc clone using the UHF SR-FRS module.? However, we did acquire the VHF version of the SR-FRS module and measured it without a low pass filter.? The measurement as shown below shows that the second harmonic is less than 10 dB below the carrier.? In the Chinese USB connecter used in the Aursinc clone, these ridges barely rise above the groove.? In addition, the connectors are tin plated.? Also the front of the ridge is not smoothly formed.? It has a sharp edge that will scrape material off the mating terminal during each insertion.? They cost less than 5 cents each. The USB connectors used in the Kits for Hams SHARI PiXX are from CUI in Japan.? They cost around 50 cents each.? They have a well defined smooth, stamped ridge and are gold plated as shown in the following photo. ? Here are some more problems with the Aursinc clone SHARI. - The SMA RF connector barrel is press-in to the body.? The SHARI SMA connector barrel is threaded into the body because early-on we found some of the press-in ones were coming loose. - The SR-FRS module used in the Aursinc clone uses some different commands for programming so the SA818-prog program will not work with it.? However, there are no "FILTER" commands so you can not control audio filters or pre/de-emphasis. - There is no VHF model. - It blocks the ethernet connector when plugged into a Pi4 Aursinc plagarized written material word-for-word from our web pages and used it in their Amazon information even though it is not correct for their product. ?Finally, to add insult to injury, Aursinc brazenly refers you to the SHARI group for setup documents and support.? Here is their answer to a question about support. ?
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Re: Libre SBC, and also AURSINC Shari
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýShort answer, the AURSINC is a knock-off/clone, it has been known to have issues, and the kitsforhams fellow will not provide assistance, since he gets no revenue from the sale.As for RPis, the RPi Foundation says they are coming back to market, and prices and availability should become more "reasonable." (My word) Somecretailers are taking backorders and shipping RPi 4. The Libre, I have no idea. The Allstar software stack is written for the RPi OS ecosystem, probably hard to rewrite it for an x86-based PC, very, very different. Not impossible, but not trivial. The AURSINC board is about connectivity, and it doesn't run pi-star, it runs other software and only supports a few modes, etc. Good luck, Ken, N2VIP On Feb 3, 2023, at 21:33, Carl <carl@...> wrote:
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Libre SBC, and also AURSINC Shari
Hello everyone,
Just about to start tinkering with AllStar, and after some reading, I hoped to hear a couple opinions from the many of you with experience. Firstly, I would like to use anything other than an overpriced RasPi. Has anyone used the Shari with either a Libre SBC or with a UART <--> USB? Both BlueDV and MMDVMHost, for example, run fine on a standard windows or linux PC connected to a Pi hat via a $10 Aursinc interface, which cuts Pi right out of the picture. I would like very much to do this with Allstar, but setting up the antiquated Debian versions felt more like archeology than radio. I would like to run the Shari on a PC or a contemporary SBC other than Pi, and Libre looks promising. I will have one tomorrow, and will be able to experimentally configure an MMDVM on it, to test OS and GPIO compatibility and I will report results, but any preliminary thoughts or advice, especially from anyone having done this will be gratefully appreciated.? Also, I am curious about any differences between the KitsForhams and the Aursinc Shari. The Aursinc is under $100 and can be purchased on Amazon, but it has apparently been "upgraded" from SR818 to SR-FRS. Is this an upgrade, a largely irrelevant lateral move, or a significant loss? With no current experience with Allstar, I am ill equipped to guess.? Thanks in advance for any information that anyone might have time to share, and the very best wishes / 73 to all.? |
Re: PiHat Neo keeps falling off wifi network
#PiHat
#Allstar_Setup
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOut of curiosity, which mesh system are you using? I try to use Ethernet wherever I can, but if I must use WiFi, and
it doesn't move around too much, I make sure to lock the device to
the closest access point in my Ubiquiti UniFi control, so it
doesn't try to roam. While I really haven't experienced any major
problems with WiFi on Allstar nodes using the Ubiquiti UniFi
UAP-AC-M initially, then the U6 Pros I have now, I also don't have
a PiHat Neo configuration specifically. I've had no problem
maintaining connections to nodes via WiFi for months at a time
with my Pi 3a+, 3B and Zero 2 W nodes. Likewise, I can leave an
active SSH session open for very long periods of time. On 2/1/2023 6:36 PM,
kd2ksinyc@... wrote:
Before everyone attacks me about reading through previous threads, yes I have but no one seems to have wrote a thread with my unique issue.? |
Re: PiHat Neo keeps falling off wifi network
#PiHat
#Allstar_Setup
¿ªÔÆÌåÓý?Hello Experienced to same gave up on wifi connected to ethernet relocated near switch problem solved with high gain antenna? Thank you VE3KFL? ?Tony Kreg -------- Original message -------- From: kd2ksinyc@... Date: 2/1/23 8:19 PM (GMT-05:00) Subject: [SHARI] PiHat Neo keeps falling off wifi network #PiHat #Allstar_Setup I am running a wifi (2.4GHz) mesh system in my house and from when I first built my node it was never able to get on wifi.? it runs flawlessly over ethernet.? that being said; I wanted to relocate the node to a bookshelf for better coverage etc. so I did a complete from scratch config of hamvoip (latest and greatest version).? I found that I had to plug a monitor and keyboard into the PiHat and manually configure the wifi in leu of using ethernet and DHCP. it worked out well... thus far I completed the config, and I was able to get in with SSH, node remote, and DVswitch.? I did however notice that over an uncertain amount of time, the node drops from other nodes and I concluded it was the network when my open SSH session and node remote connections died as well. in some cased those connections drop before the node disconnects (well, drops connection) from other nodes.? This is driving me absolutely bonkers and I'd love to hear if someone can tell me they've experienced the same behavior with a similar wifi system.? Looking for advice and/or sanity check here.? thanks in advance. 73, KD2KSI? Chris |
PiHat Neo keeps falling off wifi network
#PiHat
#Allstar_Setup
Before everyone attacks me about reading through previous threads, yes I have but no one seems to have wrote a thread with my unique issue.?
I am running a wifi (2.4GHz) mesh system in my house and from when I first built my node it was never able to get on wifi.? it runs flawlessly over ethernet.? that being said; I wanted to relocate the node to a bookshelf for better coverage etc. so I did a complete from scratch config of hamvoip (latest and greatest version).? I found that I had to plug a monitor and keyboard into the PiHat and manually configure the wifi in leu of using ethernet and DHCP. it worked out well... thus far I completed the config, and I was able to get in with SSH, node remote, and DVswitch.? I did however notice that over an uncertain amount of time, the node drops from other nodes and I concluded it was the network when my open SSH session and node remote connections died as well. in some cased those connections drop before the node disconnects (well, drops connection) from other nodes.? This is driving me absolutely bonkers and I'd love to hear if someone can tell me they've experienced the same behavior with a similar wifi system.? Looking for advice and/or sanity check here.? thanks in advance. 73, KD2KSI? Chris |
Re: Orange Pi or Rock64?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýFor those with greater needs, you can order up to five RPi 3 A+ for the same shipping price as just one ($11.75 in my particular case with delivery to Texas).Thanks for sharing the link, Ken, N2VIP On Jan 29, 2023, at 13:21, Robert Alford <Mw1coe@...> wrote:
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Re: Orange Pi or Rock64?
AS of 11.37AM Central they have 411 3A+ in Stock On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 11:36 AM Robert Alford <mw1coe@...> wrote:
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Re: Orange Pi or Rock64?
Glad that my Information on the 3A+ Seller was?helpful Rob.. KF0FYC On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 7:38 PM Larry Macionski via <am_fm_radio=[email protected]> wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 12:37 PM, N8AR wrote: --
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! |
Re: Orange Pi or Rock64?
On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 12:37 PM, N8AR wrote:
The 3A+ is still a possibility.? SHARI will work fine using just one short Type A USB extension cable because the two USB ports on SHARI are not needed at the same time.? One is used to program the SA818 (rarely used) and the other is used for Allstar.? Also DINAH only requires one USB port.As of 5pm CST 1/28/23? Parallax.com has 644 in stock? 3A+ $25.???? I ordered 3 on Thursday 1/26 and they arrived today 1/28.. 3 will fit the smallest USPS priority shipper box. So 1 to 3 costs same shipping. Larry W8LM |
Re: Orange Pi or Rock64?
I bought 4 from this Company (2 at a Time) so this is a legitimate Company who is NOT trying to Rip people off by Price Gouging.. Rob.. On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 3:37 PM <n9xcr@...> wrote: Oh that's right. I even noticed that part when I looked. lol --
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! |
Re: Orange Pi or Rock64?
The 3A+ is still a possibility.? SHARI will work fine using just one short Type A USB extension cable because the two USB ports on SHARI are not needed at the same time.? One is used to program the SA818 (rarely used) and the other is used for Allstar.? Also DINAH only requires one USB port.
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Re: Orange Pi or Rock64?
has PI 3 A+ in stock @ 25.00 each ex shipping? On Tue, Jan 24, 2023, 7:47 PM <n9xcr@...> wrote: Has anyone tried using an Orange Pi or Rock64 with Pis becoming so expensive? I'm not in any immediate need as I still have a few Pis in stock. Some of us were talking about it a few minutes ago. |
Re: Orange Pi or Rock64?
Forgot about the 1 USB port... On Wed, Jan 25, 2023, 10:37 AM Robert Alford <mw1coe@...> wrote:
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Re: Supermon FAIL
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýcheck you passwords in the manager.conf file and in the allmon.ini make sure these 2 match each otheruser=admin passwd=password you have set On 1/24/2023 3:21 PM, Robert-K4VL
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Re: Orange Pi or Rock64?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi: As of now, these won't work. HamVoIP only runs on rPi Zero 2, 2, 3A+, 3B, 3B+, 4, 400, CM3 and CM4... I think that's the complete list, or close to it. AFAIK, you probably won't do any better with ASL either, unless you run it on x86/64. I hear that there may soon be a new HamVoIP image for alternative ARM SBC's, so stay tuned.
On 1/24/2023 6:09 PM, n9xcr@...
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Has anyone tried using an Orange Pi or Rock64 with Pis becoming so expensive? I'm not in any immediate need as I still have a few Pis in stock. Some of us were talking about it a few minutes ago. |