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Yesterday I downloaded QTR. Everything seems to be in the right place. QTR appears in Print Center. The problem is that nothing happens when I press print. I don't even get an error message. The printer is connected via USB. It works fine using the standard driver. I have tried everything. I can't think of anything more to do. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Richard Garnett

I think it behaves like that when you try to print anything other than a TIFF...QTR won't work with other formats so you have to save PSD or GIF or whaever as TIFF before you print. QuadtoneRIP@... wrote:

I haven't yet tried creating any curves for papers I have--mainly because I'm sampling and trying to make a decision on what paper(s) I will use with QTR. I've done this before with papers for color images both on 1280 and 2200, but printing 21 step wedges on papers with QTR for sampling without specific curves for some papers has presented me with a question. Carl Schofield on Digital B/W list just mentioned the use of some of the available curves for 'alternate' papers, but I wonder about others. For instance, I received the Innova sample pack and would love to know what others have used for the Photo FB, Soft Textured Art and Photo Smooth White Cotton. I also printed sepia/cool on William Turner, but wonder about what curve others would use (bar using a custom). There are some others--which I try to do a search on in forum, but we all know the problems with that. I also try to find specs on the papers listed that I'm unfamiliar with and see if they are anywhere close to the paper I'm working with. BTW--someone suggested that Concord Rag was lovely for sepia--I concur. I found one piece left and did step wedges. Not sure I would use this paper, but it is very nice for that purpose. Diane ----------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic

As I sit here and print step wedges on a variety of papers with my 2200/QTR, I've been thinking about the numerous posts on the Digital B/W list (where most people still seem to end up with questions about QTR) about 'how' to use QTR. In truth, the install and use on WinXP is pretty straightforward. I think what bumfuzzles a lot of people is the 'how' to actually use it. I believe many have curves and ICC profiles confused, and if they don't, they seem not to know where to begin to use the installed curves. It would be helpful if one of the more experienced users of QTR write a tutorial (one for Mac and Windows both would be helpful). I think what throws many is what curves to use---if you aren't using one of the papers listed (and now I'm not sure what installs with QTR and what I added with the Carl Schofield download--if you don't have it, try this http://homepage.mac.com/scho/FileSharing2.html ) you aren't sure what curve to use for what. Someone also suggested printing 'roundabouts' of step wedges--I'm guessing maybe this was a UK person since I've not heard that term before for this use but took it as printing a series of step wedges on the same paper with curves/blends. I started with 100% warm at the top, then I printed a 75 warm/25 cool , etc. until I reached 100% cool (I did six--a 100 warm, 75/25, 50/50, 40/60, 25/75, 100 cool). I've printed 10 matte papers thus far (I have accumulated a number of sample packs) and have some more to do. I will then do the same for my EPremsemi as well as a sepia/cool series. This certainly helps you to determine what blends work best for you on what paper. The other helpful thing would be for someone to write a straightforward tute for softproofing in PS for Windows. I have a nicely written post I found (by Lou Dina I think) that is quite good and with his okay could post it. I'm not sure everyone 'gets' how to softrproof using Roy's ICC profiles. Diane ----------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic

Diane, 1. Printing a "roundabout" is not a British practice but a technique used in printing color photos to assess color balance. I don't think anybody does that anymore with all the new technology. 2. LOL can also mean "Lots of Luck" in the sardonic sense. IMHO 3. I'll second your suggestion on a tutorial on "softproofing". I'm still not comfortable with that procedure. Ian From: "Diane Fields" <picnic@...> [Add to Address Book] [View Source] To: <QuadtoneRIP@...> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] tutorial or FAQ Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 17:27:18 +0000 As I sit here and print step wedges on a variety of papers with my 2200/QTR, I've been thinking about the numerous posts on the Digital B/W list (where most people still seem to end up with questions about QTR) about 'how' to use QTR. In truth, the install and use on WinXP is pretty straightforward. I think what bumfuzzles a lot of people is the 'how' to actually use it. I believe many have curves and ICC profiles confused, and if they don't, they seem not to know where to begin to use the installed curves. It would be helpful if one of the more experienced users of QTR write a tutorial (one for Mac and Windows both would be helpful). I think what throws many is what curves to use---if you aren't using one of the papers listed (and now I'm not sure what installs with QTR and what I added with the Carl Schofield download--if you don't have it, try this http://homepage.mac.com/scho/FileSharing2.html ) you aren't sure what curve to use for what. Someone also suggested printing 'roundabouts' of step wedges--I'm guessing maybe this was a UK person since I've not heard that term before for this use but took it as printing a series of step wedges on the same paper with curves/blends. I started with 100% warm at the top, then I printed a 75 warm/25 cool , etc. until I reached 100% cool (I did six--a 100 warm, 75/25, 50/50, 40/60, 25/75, 100 cool). I've printed 10 matte papers thus far (I have accumulated a number of sample packs) and have some more to do. I will then do the same for my EPremsemi as well as a sepia/cool series. This certainly helps you to determine what blends work best for you on what paper. The other helpful thing would be for someone to write a straightforward tute for softproofing in PS for Windows. I have a nicely written post I found (by Lou Dina I think) that is quite good and with his okay could post it. I'm not sure everyone 'gets' how to softrproof using Roy's ICC profiles. Diane

Do you print greyscale or RGB? QTR seems to do it's thing the same regardless of what mode you are in, so it would be better to use the smaller file. And, yes, I hate to admit it, but I'm one of those who don't know the difference between curves and ICC profiles.

I made a print in QTR..print looked good..a little warm..then I re-read the instructions and saw I was supposed to first change the image in photoshop to grey scale from RGB. I did that and the print was terrible..flat no contrast.What did I do wrong? How am I supposed to use the grey space zip file which contains gray matte icc, gray photo icc, rgb lab icc...etc.? They were moved to the QTR folder. Also I downloaded the curves for various papers, extracted them into QTR, but I do not see them pop up in the GUI interface. What am I doing wrong. As always thanks for your support..Ann

Could anyone tell me just what this curve is---is it a blend of Sepia and cool for EEnhMatte? I saw a post not long ago about the use of this curve--with perhaps a warm curve??? Can't remember the context of the post--and am not sure Diane ----------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic

I'm a new member of the QTR community and fairly new to digital b & w photography. I wanted to know what advantages are offered by this system versus others including Photoshop. I use an Epson 2200 printer and mostly print on Enhanced Matte and Premium Luster papers. I've also started using Ilford Smooth Pearl paper. Are there distinct advantages of using the QTR? I'd like to hear your opinions. Thanks! Steve

I finally figured out how to get it to work...especially with your help Diane...but my prints are still too warm pc epson 2200 epson inks epson luster paper. No I haven't printed wedges, as you did..but I am looking for a cool/neutral black not warm tone (read brown) prints. Suggestions? Combinations?

Please change the message subjects when you change topics. "the advantages of QTR" has gone down the tubes and will soon start being deleted, unless of course it talks about advantages of QTR... :) "after a full day..." doesn't say anything either (the subject, not necessarily the message) Scott: moderator/owner

Diane, the other day you offered to to do a print screen offlist to show me how 'step wedging' is done. That would be a great help to me if you could provide me with that info. Thanks in advance! Steve wrote: other list for several years (and have been printing b/w for a good while, first with the 1280 and with the 2200) and am pretty familiar with PS, the QTR workflow works for me. ink/paper combo. If you notice on the Digital/bw list they spray their prints to counter that problem. The newer R800 and R1800, we assume, will deal with the bronzing by using the Gloss Optimizer (and this is the 'glop' they talk about on the other list--they are adding it into a cart to use with the black inks--3rd party--like with the MIS inks and Paul Roark's curves). Lou Dina's that explained how to softproof in QTR? particular curves will look like on that particular paper. I laid out my 11 sheets with the step wedges on them and was able to pick out the papers I liked, then I could see what a 75 warm and 25 cool blend looked like, for instance, on that paper. I like not quite neutral--just a bit of warmth to it. On different papers the curve blend I might choose could be different--because the tone of the papers affects the image a great deal. you want to print, then you have to choose a 'curve' for it down below. For instance, I want to print on Epson Velvet. So--I choose a matte paper in the paper dropdown. I make the selections as to dpi, etc. in all the other places. Probably I would check 'centered' (but if you are doing step wedge printing, you will keep dragging the step wedge file around in the window to place it differently for different printing--if you don't understand this, I can do a print screen and send it to you offlist). Now--you need to select your blend percentage (middle box) and your curves. Since I use Epson Enhanced matte as a proofing paper for Velvet, I feel that those curves will be close enough for me for Epson Velvet. In the left curve drop down box, I choose EEnhMatte-Cool and in the right box I choose EEnhmatte-Warm. From my series of step wedges I did on my Epson Velvet paper (I did 6 rather than do a long series of percentages. Once I establish for sure what papers I'm going to use all the time, I will do a series of step wedges from 100% cool to 100% warm in 10% increments) I find that a 60 cool/40 warm is about the blend I like on that paper. So--I move the blend slider over to 60 (the blend number represents the amount of the curve on the left-- the one for the cool). I did not adjust my ink limit for this paper (though I may in the future) so I will not make any other slider adjustments for now. Then---I'm ready to click on print and that's it. will help you correct any tonality/contrast issues with your print-- before you print (for the most part--its pretty difficult to get a perfect reading on a monitor to match a paper print because of the difference in the mediums). on the papers you use all the time will be a big help--and I'll be glad to help you figure out how to do that. this paper? etc. how his

I run QTR with an iMac in MacOS10.2.8 and Photoshop 7. I print with an Epson 2200 using enhanced matte. What should my settings be in Photoshop? If this question has already been aswered please refer me to the post. I can't find it. Thank you, Richard Garnett

When I right click on the on the curve in the QTRgui it doesn't show a graph,is there a reason for this? I've been told that it's suppose to.

I know there are RGB ICC profiles for QTR gray-matte and gray-photo. I also know these are to be used for printing from Qimage. I have and have used Qimage for a number of years and happen to be using it this morning. That brought up the question in my mind--just how are others printing from Qimage using QTR? Are you printing to file, then using that saved tiff to bring into the QTR GUI? Diane ----------- Diane B. Fields picnic@... photo site http://www.pbase.com/picnic

I find that the shadows in QTR using EEM neutral, are quite blue and detract from the neutral tone of the other areas. In examining the curve, I see the toner is 100% density and the ink limit is 45. I haven't made any changes in the print curve till I can get access to a densitometer, but does anyone have any help they can give me to remove this blue shadow tint till then? Your friend in Photography, Johnny

I'm doing a series of 'step wedges'tonight using the QTR and a 2200 printer. I've done Epson enhanced matte and about to try Epson Premium Luster. What curves blend do I choose in the QTRgui? I'm using the the Gray Photo wedge and selected Premium Luster in the media menu

The QuadToneRip 2.0 Calibration instructions tell us to use "inkpatern.psd" , a CYMK file, as our calibration file yet I cannot find it in either the MacOsX or WinXP versions. The closest file is "Inkseparation.psd", but it is 8bit RGB. I open it without any color management (leave as is) but it is still RGB. Where can I find "inkpattern.psd? MacOSX 10.3.8 PS CS Epson 2200 Rich

Hello, I'm wondering if there are plans for R1800 support, or if that's even possible due to the lack of a light black in in the R1800? Thanks, Jeff Kohn

When I use the QTR to print on either Epson Premium Luster or Ilford Smooth Pearl papers, my prints have a strong brownish hue to them. Even with a Curve of 100% cool, they are still printing out brown. Why is this happening? All the QTRgui settings are correct and I converted to the Photo Gray profile. By the way, I should add that the QTR works great on Enhanced Matte paper (looks far superior than printing from PS and with NO magenta tinge to them under the flourescent lights). What a relief. I'd appreciate hearng back from someone who might be able to help me. Thanks! Steve