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Re: Shark Sighting

 

Yup that was me, i think i'm the only one around with a car the color of
Barney the dinosaur. there's also a red S4 i'ce seen in the area
too....anyone on the list?? take care

Bobby
'91 GT
Re: Shark Sighting

 

Ray,

That was ME!! my name is Bobby and i own Masters in Oakbrook plaza by Key
Bank. the color is amethyst metalic and its a '91 GT. i'd love it if you
stopped by and said hi some day. i'm there every day from 9am to 1pm and
then i'm there from 5pm to 6 pm to close up shop. i've seen yours around a
couple times too. nice looking car. take care.

Bobby
'91 GT
Re: By the way, Hi!

Jim & Tina
 

What are these drags? Do you have to race to be there? I don't think I
would be up for that, but I would like to meet fellow shark owners!

lemme know... and thanks for the response!
Andy,

The shark drags are going to be held in Seattle,
at SIR right guys?? The looks to be a great turnout
of guys running their cars as well as some not so
by all means show if you can even if you don't want
to run! Adam Birnbaum has organized this event
as well as other great events for all us NW shark
owners, Can one of you guys fill Andy in on more
of the fine details??

Jim V
Re: Drag day!!

Jim & Tina
 

Oscar,

Yes I did,bought a '79 5spd car,I'm going to make it a
daily drive while I get the other one done,I really wanted
a 78 or 79 do a stock resto on while the other will start
to be more of a street/track car.
Will you be attending the shark drags??Sundays are
best to drop by my place,real busy with work this time
of year.

Jim V
Re: By the way, Hi!

Jim & Tina
 

Andy,

Congrats on the purchase,must be a very clean car
with only 38K!
Hope you can make it down to the drag day on the 25th,
should be a great time.As far as the fan not working it
would have to be a bad viscous coupling,this can be
re-filled with fluid but I'm unsure where the procedure
this was posted; anyone??

Jim V
Re: By the way, Hi!

[email protected]
 

Hey Thanks Jim!

Yeah, my car is amazingly clean. It is, dare I say, immaculate. I was
really lucky to find it, because it was the exact car I wanted, color and
everything. My only problem is that it has been sitting for about 15 years
and so it has some issues with things just being not used. I replaced the
timing belt and water pump, but other than that, i don't really know exactly
what to do.

What are these drags? Do you have to race to be there? I don't think I
would be up for that, but I would like to meet fellow shark owners!

lemme know... and thanks for the response!

your pal

andy
79, cockney braun!
Re: Drag day!!

Oscar Munoz
 

Jim,

Am I to understand correctly?, you've bought another shark? Are you
trying to compete with Roberts and Morrison? Them boys have about 5 sharks
a piece! I'll be relocating to Austin, Texas soon, but I'll take a road
trip and check out the erector set before I leave. Let me know when it's a
good time.

-Oscar
81 auto

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim & Tina [mailto:nebraska@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 10:25 PM
To: PacNW928@...
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Drag day!!



Sorry to hear about the "erector set", was there a particular hold up?
Time is the holdup,my wife has been having to work long shifts
because they've been down a man at the base,can't complain too
much there it gives me more "daddy" time with my daughter :-)
Also I've been slammed at work busy season came on quick
this year.

Plan "B" sounds exciting, I hope it involves you pounding down the quarter
mile in one form or another.
Ah, plan"B"- can't get your shark ready in time???
Go get another one!!!!
Bought a '79 5spd the other night so I've just got to check it
over and get it through emmissions etc.
Should be there with it on the 25th

Jim V



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Re: Drag day!!

Adam Birnbaum
 

YES! This is awesome.

Great news Jim, looking forward to seeing you and your new(est) shark on
the 25th.

-Adam

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From: Jim & Tina <nebraska@...>
To: PacNW928@...
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Drag day!!
Date: Sunday, June 11, 2000 10:25 PM


Sorry to hear about the "erector set", was there a particular hold up?
Time is the holdup,my wife has been having to work long shifts
because they've been down a man at the base,can't complain too
much there it gives me more "daddy" time with my daughter :-)
Also I've been slammed at work busy season came on quick
this year.

Plan "B" sounds exciting, I hope it involves you pounding down the
quarter
mile in one form or another.
Ah, plan"B"- can't get your shark ready in time???
Go get another one!!!!
Bought a '79 5spd the other night so I've just got to check it
over and get it through emmissions etc.
Should be there with it on the 25th

Jim V



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Re: Drag day!!

Jim & Tina
 


Sorry to hear about the "erector set", was there a particular hold up?
Time is the holdup,my wife has been having to work long shifts
because they've been down a man at the base,can't complain too
much there it gives me more "daddy" time with my daughter :-)
Also I've been slammed at work busy season came on quick
this year.

Plan "B" sounds exciting, I hope it involves you pounding down the quarter
mile in one form or another.
Ah, plan"B"- can't get your shark ready in time???
Go get another one!!!!
Bought a '79 5spd the other night so I've just got to check it
over and get it through emmissions etc.
Should be there with it on the 25th

Jim V
Re: Drag day!!

Adam Birnbaum
 

Hey Jim,

Sorry to hear about the "erector set", was there a particular hold up?

Plan "B" sounds exciting, I hope it involves you pounding down the quarter
mile in one form or another.

-Adam

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From: Jim & Tina <nebraska@...>
To: PacNW928@...
Subject: [PacNW928] Drag day!!
Date: Sunday, June 11, 2000 8:05 AM

Hey guys,

Good news/bad news;
It's good to hear that Pat is going to run,there's no way I
would miss this but I'm afraid the "erector set" won't be
able to attend :-(
However there is always plan "B"....more on this
later.
Jim V
whiring noise - update I

Adam Birnbaum
 

Well, the shark is in the air, comfortably resting on 4 two ton jack
stands, with a floor jack under the rear cross member and a floor jack
under the oil pan. Pretty stable.

I removed the front "clutch housing" cover and noticed something
interesting. There appear to be 2 hex studs bolted to the drive gear.
They must be about 3/4" tall. Any idea what these are for? Are they for
balancing purposes? It appears that they may have cut notches where they
came in contact with web castings in the upper bell housing. It's possible
that the bell housing was machined with these notches, but I find it
unlikely. It looks like there are friction marks where the notches are.
The studs themselves appear to be intact. Maybe a source for the sound?

I unbolted the front drive shaft collar just to see what would happen. The
drive shaft immediately shot 4mm forward (or the crank shot 4mm backward).
I retorqued the collar and started the car. The whirring noise was still
there, but had decreased in intensity by a good 75%. Very curious.

There is a large ring gear sandwiched between the drive gear and the
flywheel, which I am a little puzzled over. The drive gear is bolted to
the flex plate and is where the starter engages right? I initially assumed
the large ring gear was for the "Park" mechanism, but that wouldn't make
sense. Because its bolted to the flywheel, the big ring gear would have to
turn even when the car is in "Park". So, what is it? It also blocks
access to make the space measurements between the drive gear and flex plate
as noted in the manuals The giant ring gear It isn't shown in any of the
picture diagrams of the front drive plate unit in the torque tube section
of the manuals. Probably a silly question, but any have a quick answer?
I'll be scouring my manuals tonight for an explanation.

I'm going to proceed with lowering the transaxle, and will attempt to run
the car with the rear of the torque tube disconnected to see if the sound
is from the tranny bearings. Don't know how for I'll get on this tonight,
but I figure I still got a good 3 hours of life left in me.

-Adam Birnbaum
'88 S4 A/T
Re: What about Paul Weir Porsche in Seattle?

Adam Birnbaum
 

I think Curt Nichols used them for a flex plate replacement and get dinged.
I've never heard anything bad about the quality of their work, but I don't
like hearing about repair shops that don't give proper estimates, or notify
the owner when the estimate increases.

-Adam

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Subject: [PacNW928] What about Paul Weir Porsche in Seattle?
Date: Sunday, June 11, 2000 1:24 PM

Have you ever been there? I've heard some good things about it...

just a thought...

your pal

andy

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By the way, Hi!

[email protected]
 

I just got a 5spd '79 brown 928. And I'm very thankful to be on this list
as I'm learning a lot. My car only has about 38k on it... and I was
wondering if any of you had any tips for an inexperienced Porsche owner?

Also, my engine fan seems to be not working, any suggestions?

thanks for all the info...

your pal
Andy
Re: What about Paul Weir Porsche in Seattle?

Dan Golich
 

I took my 914 to Paul. Parts help from Fred was excellent! Service was
expensive and they didn't do the job they promised. The motor still leaked.
I'm sorry I ever took the easy way out(location at the time) and I returned
my patronage to John Walker. I have sent several people to John and everyone
has thanked me profusely. Sad part is he does only air cooled cars. He said
he would do brakes and such but no engine work on water cooled.
On the other hand I have meet many 944 fans that rave about Paul, go figure.

Dan
89 S4 and Just sold gold 914

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Sent: 6/11/00 1:24 PM
Subject: [PacNW928] What about Paul Weir Porsche in Seattle?

Have you ever been there? I've heard some good things about it...

just a thought...

your pal

andy

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What about Paul Weir Porsche in Seattle?

[email protected]
 

Have you ever been there? I've heard some good things about it...

just a thought...

your pal

andy
Drag day!!

Jim & Tina
 

Hey guys,

Good news/bad news;
It's good to hear that Pat is going to run,there's no way I
would miss this but I'm afraid the "erector set" won't be
able to attend :-(
However there is always plan "B"....more on this
later.
Jim V

Pat Edward just emailed me and said he was running his '85S at the shark
drags. Any chance you might reconsider? :)
Re: Whirring sound = torque tube

ADAM BIRNBAUM
 

Hey Calvin,

It was Larson's here in Tacoma. They have a new service manager
unfortunately. I got along well with the prior one, and he always treated
me right. Maybe that's why he's no longer there, sometimes good customer
service can cost $$.

Pat Edward just emailed me and said he was running his '85S at the shark
drags. Any chance you might reconsider? :)

-Adam

----- Original Message -----
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To: <PacNW928@...>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Whirring sound = torque tube


All I can say is Porsche dealers are uppity pricks, I mean 3 grand to fix
a
torque tube? what dealer was it Barrier??? Akers seems to be pretty good i
had my 88 up there when the are went out and had the belt tensioned. Denny
said the air was electrical and sent me to another shop and charged me 100
for the adjustment...he has a pretty good rep with porsche owners in
seattle.
And it really pissesd me off when they stick you with the labor and then
have
the need for the triple mark up on the parts...
Calvin 90 S4

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Re: Whirring sound = torque tube

ADAM BIRNBAUM
 

Thanks for the offer Ray,

I think I can get the shark up high enough in my garage, and with it at home
I won't feel rushed.

-Adam

----- Original Message -----
From: rhenson <rhenson@...>
To: <PacNW928@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 11:37 AM
Subject: RE: [PacNW928] Whirring sound = torque tube


Adam, I can schedule to use one of the bays with a hydraulic lift on post
if
you want.

Ray Henson
88' S4 Auto - SandMetallic/Rolls Royce

-----Original Message-----
From: ADAM BIRNBAUM [mailto:adamb777@...]
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 11:19 AM
To: PacNW928@...
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Whirring sound = torque tube


Actually both Devek and 928 Int'l rebuild their A/T tubes with the extra
(third) bearing. As far as my timing goes, Yeah I know.

I'm going to put the shark up in the air tonight and see what I can see.

-Adam

----- Original Message -----
From: <redinger@...>
To: <PacNW928@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Whirring sound = torque tube


Adam,

Boy you sure know how to pick the timing for these things! The
aftermarket
tube that you refer to, is it the Devek piece? If I ever have to do a
torque
tube replacement, I would give serious consideration to the Devek part.

Hope you can get it back in working order before the drags.

Terry


Adam Birnbaum wrote:

I got the verdict from the local Porsche Dealer, they said my whirring
sound coming from my shark is the torque tube.

They gave me the estimate, $2.9K which included 15 hours of labor. I
asked
how much of that was the tube, $1.9K. I jokingly asked "Is that with
or
without my PCA discount?" The (new) service manager wasn't too amused.
I
then asked if it would be possible for me to supply a rebuilt tube,
one
that had an extra bearing and would actually be better than the stock
replacement. He said he'd check and get back to me.

The phone message left with my secretary? "Can you pick your car up
tonight?, we have limited garage space."

I guess they don't install rebuilt tubes.

I picked my car up afterhours, at around 7:55pm. As I pulled up, there
was
a salesman walking around my car, checking it out. As I stepped out
of
my
wife's 4Runner, I told him I'd give him a good deal on the car. He
said
"Oh no, the car is beautiful, but these old All Wheel Drive models are
very
difficult to sell."

I couldn't help but smile as I left "Old Shit for Brains" admiring my
car
and went in to pay the $38 diagnostic fee to have the dealer tell me
something I already knew.
It would have been nice if the service manager was upfront with me
when
I
dropped off the car and basically told me "We have no intention on
doing
the repair that you are asking an estimate for, unless your are stupid
enough to pay 4x the amount for parts, and double the time for labor".
I
would have gladly paid my $38 then and there for his honesty and not
wasted
everyone's time.

When I got back out to my shark, the salesman was still there. I
fired
it
up, whirring sound and all. The salesman got that weird expression
like
he
had just swallowed something distasteful while being constipated. I
rolled
down my window, and piped up to the salesman, "front wheel drive is
out,
I'm gonna fix it myself", and pulled out.

I'm going to kick around where I go from here. The shark drags are on
the
25th, and I don't think I could pass tech with the whirring sound. I
guess
I could tell them I've got a gear drive or something. I really want to
do
the repair myself, but I don't think I could complete it in two weeks
time.
So, if I want to drag race, I need to take it up to Seattle and pay a
reasonable price for the repair. Decisions, decisions.

If I'm lucky, when I go to check the crank end play in the bell
housing
this weekend, the sound may go away. Ray Wach had stated his shark
made
a
similar noise until he released the static load at the flexplate.
I'll
keep my fingers crossed.

Thanks for listening,

-Adam Birnbaum
'88 S4 A/T
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Re: Whirring sound = torque tube

Curt Nichols
 

Hey, good idea! :)

Curt

-----Original Message-----
From: ADAM BIRNBAUM [SMTP:adamb777@...]
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 11:30 AM
To: PacNW928@...
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Re: Whirring sound = torque tube

Sounds like a bargain Curt!

Have you ever thought about working for a Porsche dealership?

:)

-Adam
Re: Whirring sound = torque tube

rhenson
 

Adam, I can schedule to use one of the bays with a hydraulic lift on post if
you want.

Ray Henson
88' S4 Auto - SandMetallic/Rolls Royce

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From: ADAM BIRNBAUM [mailto:adamb777@...]
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 11:19 AM
To: PacNW928@...
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Whirring sound = torque tube


Actually both Devek and 928 Int'l rebuild their A/T tubes with the extra
(third) bearing. As far as my timing goes, Yeah I know.

I'm going to put the shark up in the air tonight and see what I can see.

-Adam

----- Original Message -----
From: <redinger@...>
To: <PacNW928@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [PacNW928] Whirring sound = torque tube


Adam,

Boy you sure know how to pick the timing for these things! The
aftermarket
tube that you refer to, is it the Devek piece? If I ever have to do a
torque
tube replacement, I would give serious consideration to the Devek part.

Hope you can get it back in working order before the drags.

Terry


Adam Birnbaum wrote:

I got the verdict from the local Porsche Dealer, they said my whirring
sound coming from my shark is the torque tube.

They gave me the estimate, $2.9K which included 15 hours of labor. I
asked
how much of that was the tube, $1.9K. I jokingly asked "Is that with or
without my PCA discount?" The (new) service manager wasn't too amused.
I
then asked if it would be possible for me to supply a rebuilt tube, one
that had an extra bearing and would actually be better than the stock
replacement. He said he'd check and get back to me.

The phone message left with my secretary? "Can you pick your car up
tonight?, we have limited garage space."

I guess they don't install rebuilt tubes.

I picked my car up afterhours, at around 7:55pm. As I pulled up, there
was
a salesman walking around my car, checking it out. As I stepped out of
my
wife's 4Runner, I told him I'd give him a good deal on the car. He said
"Oh no, the car is beautiful, but these old All Wheel Drive models are
very
difficult to sell."

I couldn't help but smile as I left "Old Shit for Brains" admiring my
car
and went in to pay the $38 diagnostic fee to have the dealer tell me
something I already knew.
It would have been nice if the service manager was upfront with me when
I
dropped off the car and basically told me "We have no intention on doing
the repair that you are asking an estimate for, unless your are stupid
enough to pay 4x the amount for parts, and double the time for labor".
I
would have gladly paid my $38 then and there for his honesty and not
wasted
everyone's time.

When I got back out to my shark, the salesman was still there. I fired
it
up, whirring sound and all. The salesman got that weird expression like
he
had just swallowed something distasteful while being constipated. I
rolled
down my window, and piped up to the salesman, "front wheel drive is out,
I'm gonna fix it myself", and pulled out.

I'm going to kick around where I go from here. The shark drags are on
the
25th, and I don't think I could pass tech with the whirring sound. I
guess
I could tell them I've got a gear drive or something. I really want to
do
the repair myself, but I don't think I could complete it in two weeks
time.
So, if I want to drag race, I need to take it up to Seattle and pay a
reasonable price for the repair. Decisions, decisions.

If I'm lucky, when I go to check the crank end play in the bell housing
this weekend, the sound may go away. Ray Wach had stated his shark made
a
similar noise until he released the static load at the flexplate. I'll
keep my fingers crossed.

Thanks for listening,

-Adam Birnbaum
'88 S4 A/T

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