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Re: Help me understand ...


 

We¡¯re drifting a bit from M17, but hey, we¡¯re all learning a lot, especially me! So carry on - I just don¡¯t want this to turn entirely into ¡°re-engineering D-Star¡±. That said, here¡¯s my contribution to topic drift.?

My biggest gripe about D-Star (as implemented by Icom) is that while it did have an integral data stream (900 bps), the mixture of digitized voice (2400 bps), and DV Forward Error Correction (1200 bps) and the data were hard coded. Even if I wanted to do only data, there was no way to tell the radio to use the voice 3600 bps for data.

Until there was about 5 years ago. Icom very quietly introduced DV Fast Data mode in a new portable product. Turn on DVFD mode and a newer D-Star radio can do ~4500 bps data. The new radios transmit a protocol bit for DVFD so the older radios don¡¯t get confused.?

It¡¯s my guess that Icom designed that in from the beginning, but Icom¡¯s shortsightedness wanted to promote voice usage, not data. All D-star repeaters will pass DVFD, including the original ones.

If DVFD had been a feature from day 1, D-Star would have been wildly popular and probably wouldn¡¯t have ¡°left enough daylight¡± for DMR to take over (or even for Yaesu to try System Fusion). D-Star repeaters would have been busy with voice during the day, and data (bulletins, BBS forwarding, file transfers) by night. DVFD was a hack - still no protocol, just raw streaming. Protocol, FEC all had to be handled outside the radio¡­ but it was usable.

I like the way M17 does data much better. I am going to get ON IT and experiment with the data features!

Steve Stroh N8GNJ (he / him / his)
Editor
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On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 14:02 Peter Laws via <plaws0=[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 4:55?PM Tony Langdon via
<vk3jed=[email protected]> wrote:
>
> M17 uses 4FSK modulation at 4800 baud (9600 bps).? Last I knew, there were 3 modes defined:


OK - so my comparison to the other schemes is correct?? Yay me (if true).? :-)

Being able to send data along with the voice is a great thing, IMHO.
D-STAR's stream alternates between encoded voice and data with DV
taking 3/4 of the stream.? Enough left over to carry "DPRS" data and
other stuff, though not a lot.? Even I, an Icom Fanboy, have to remind
myself that D-STAR is over 20 years old as a protocol (dunno when the
first implementations actually shipped) and decisions made then are
likely not the same decisions that would be made today.


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Peter Laws | VE[23]UWY / N5UWY | plaws0 gmail com | Travel by Train!





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