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Nice to see your Zephyr's Delight floating. She looks great. A pity with the mainsail. I know you have many other interesting things on your to-do list So have fun. Cheers Bernd |
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Wonderful news, Dominico. Will you fabricate a carbon fibre mast for your ECO 6? I will be watching very carefully.
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I changed the rig of the ECO 520. To make handling more easy, omit the small jib. Then coming about is a lot easier. You do not need a traveler for the jib, but an out haul when not sailing on the wind. The plywood tangon can be omitted too. An Aluminum tangon is all what is needed.? For very light weather, a genacker can be set flying. Cheers Bernd |
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Thank you for your letter. Mmm, more as a letter.?
Somebody had sent me some photos of how the boat looked after the hurricane. But they disappeared in the jungle of my computer files.
I remember only it was some work to do to refit the boat.
As we were in New Brunswick and Saint Jean some years ago. Sailing where you are is demanding. I was impressed with the difference between ebb and flood, which is one of the highest in the world. The resulting currencies are enormous.?
I know that the Manta is very seaworthy. For whom the boat was built sailed in any weather. For example, sailing to the boat show in Ears Cord in London from the Netherlands in January. Wind force 10. So what, a bit bumpy, but we made it in good time. I stop here.?
This boat can have any weather. Have fun. And thank you again.??
We were discussing short the possibility for the new engine. The old engine room has enough space for anything practical. The boat would then be in trim again.
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Thank you for sharing your story and the photos of Galacticat (Lucia). It is an inspiring story - very helpful for us builders when we go through a slump in our enthusiasm. :-) And of course, as a fellow Canadian, I am happy to see you are based in New Brunswick. If I ever make it to the Maritimes, be warned - I will be looking you up and hoping for a sail! Cheers, Rod
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Very nice!?
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 12:34:15 SAST, cygni52@... <cygni52@...> wrote:
Hello everyone, I recognize this forum is for those building Mr. Kohler's multihulls and I'd like to preface this post by acknowledging how much respect I have for all of you who are building these!? Having just gone through a 16 month refit of Lucia (weekends only and not over the winter) I can only imagine how much time, effort, and resources it must take to start such a project from only plans and dreams. I hope it brings comfort to Mr. Kohler and Lucia's previous owners (I believe at least 1 may be on this forum) to know that once again this wonderful Manta is on the water :) I credit Nova Scotia fishing captain Jody for saving Lucia as she was severely damaged in Hurricane Fiona a few years ago.? She broke loose from her lines and slammed into a tug boat he was working on which made a couple of holes on the exterior of the starboard hull along with some other issues.? The former owner had regrettably passed away and she had been neglected before the hurricane.? Jody was able to track down the caretaker and purchased the boat, patched it up and brought it to Shelburne, Nova Scotia sometime in 2020.? We purchased it from him in April 2022 and we were able to finally launch it Aug 2023 after a lot of work refitting the large majority of it's systems and a lot of hull work above the waterline.? The build quality of this vessel was incredible and I believe it was built in the UK.? The surveyor was amazed that a wood/epoxy boat from 1988 had hulls, below the water line, in such pristine condition which is what gave us confidence to buy the boat in the condition it was in.? This will be an ongoing project for us and our family are greatly looking forward to new adventures.? We sailed it home to Saint John, New Brunswick a week a half ago.? It was an amazing journey and we were delighted to see how well it handled everything the coast of Nova Scotia and the Bay of Fundy could throw at it.? From 35-40 knot gusts, to 9-11ft waves, the highest tides in the world which bring with it very strong currents and an always changing sea state.? We did not push it hard as as this was in essence a shakedown sail, but we easily managed to hit 12kts downwind, against 2kts of current with a second reef in the main.? It handled everything expertly and we are very grateful to Mr. Kohler and the builders for such a seaworthy vessel.? You will notice in the pictures that it is heavy in the stern.? We went with 2 x 20hp outboards for the next few years.? As hybrid diesel and battery technology improves we will return to inboards in 3-5 yrs.? The brackets we built are a couple of inches too short so there is weight in the stern to compensate and ensure there was no cavitation from the outboards.? Mr. Kohler, we haven't installed the vortex panels based on the plans you sent me this spring (that's a project for next year) but having heard how multi hulls are terrible at pointing upwind (and my background racing monohulls including our J24 and crewing on many different 30ft boats) I was pleasantly surprised how well it did upwind considering everything it has been through!? ?We still have much work to do but we are incredibly happy with where things are currently :)? for all of you building these vessels... Persevere! It will be worth it in the end!? I'd also like to take a moment to thank the gentlemen in a couple of the pictures, Paulo, from Brazil who has sailed oceans and catamarans and got our boat and our family home safe :) Thanks Paulo!!! |
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Hello everyone,
I recognize this forum is for those building Mr. Kohler's multihulls and I'd like to preface this post by acknowledging how much respect I have for all of you who are building these!? Having just gone through a 16 month refit of Lucia (weekends only and not over the winter) I can only imagine how much time, effort, and resources it must take to start such a project from only plans and dreams. I hope it brings comfort to Mr. Kohler and Lucia's previous owners (I believe at least 1 may be on this forum) to know that once again this wonderful Manta is on the water :) I credit Nova Scotia fishing captain Jody for saving Lucia as she was severely damaged in Hurricane Fiona a few years ago.? She broke loose from her lines and slammed into a tug boat he was working on which made a couple of holes on the exterior of the starboard hull along with some other issues.? The former owner had regrettably passed away and she had been neglected before the hurricane.? Jody was able to track down the caretaker and purchased the boat, patched it up and brought it to Shelburne, Nova Scotia sometime in 2020.? We purchased it from him in April 2022 and we were able to finally launch it Aug 2023 after a lot of work refitting the large majority of it's systems and a lot of hull work above the waterline.? The build quality of this vessel was incredible and I believe it was built in the UK.? The surveyor was amazed that a wood/epoxy boat from 1988 had hulls, below the water line, in such pristine condition which is what gave us confidence to buy the boat in the condition it was in.? This will be an ongoing project for us and our family are greatly looking forward to new adventures.? We sailed it home to Saint John, New Brunswick a week a half ago.? It was an amazing journey and we were delighted to see how well it handled everything the coast of Nova Scotia and the Bay of Fundy could throw at it.? From 35-40 knot gusts, to 9-11ft waves, the highest tides in the world which bring with it very strong currents and an always changing sea state.? We did not push it hard as as this was in essence a shakedown sail, but we easily managed to hit 12kts downwind, against 2kts of current with a second reef in the main.? It handled everything expertly and we are very grateful to Mr. Kohler and the builders for such a seaworthy vessel.? You will notice in the pictures that it is heavy in the stern.? We went with 2 x 20hp outboards for the next few years.? As hybrid diesel and battery technology improves we will return to inboards in 3-5 yrs.? The brackets we built are a couple of inches too short so there is weight in the stern to compensate and ensure there was no cavitation from the outboards.? Mr. Kohler, we haven't installed the vortex panels based on the plans you sent me this spring (that's a project for next year) but having heard how multi hulls are terrible at pointing upwind (and my background racing monohulls including our J24 and crewing on many different 30ft boats) I was pleasantly surprised how well it did upwind considering everything it has been through!? ?We still have much work to do but we are incredibly happy with where things are currently :)? for all of you building these vessels... Persevere! It will be worth it in the end!? I'd also like to take a moment to thank the gentlemen in a couple of the pictures, Paulo, from Brazil who has sailed oceans and catamarans and got our boat and our family home safe :) Thanks Paulo!!! |
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The mast-aft setup is one of the big reasons why I chose the ECO 520. I'd also like more details though on exactly how it works. The images in the plans show two travelers at the very rear called jib 1 and 2 traveler. This is different from how I understand other boats with a similar design operate. I can understand a single traveler just in front of the mast for the smaller jib to attach to so that it can easily switch sides. While the front jib is usually released from a fixed point on one side and hauled in to a fixed point on the other side. How do the two travelers at the rear work?
I found one good book that describes with many pictures a mast-aft rig. The book is called "A 30', $6000 Cruising Catamaran" by Roy Chandler and published in 1987. The book describes a catamaran with an aft-mast with a smaller stay sail and a jib sail. Does anybody know of any other book that describes a similar rig setup? |
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With the 520 you can have the option of the bi plane rig if you prefer. After building and owning the Duo 480 the bi plane rig would be my first choice.
cheers Bryan ps the Eco 6 is a great boat. I was lucky enough to have a sail on David's boat and I cant praise it enough. Rod is going to love his boat when he gets sailing. Of course it is a bigger and heavier boat than the 520 which may be a factor if regular trailer travel is anticipated |
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There is no difference sailing a jib rig to any other rig. Only, in this case the handling is easier (furling to shorten sail etc).?
Of course, you can not sail to windward with the jib in your dingy. The center of effort is with a jib only too far forward. The jib rig has the CE and CP of the hulls at the correct position to sail to windward. Don't worry. Cheers Bernd |
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It is wonderful to hear someone else who will build an ECO 6. It is a great design and I am sure you will be happy with your decision to build one. Mine is nearing completion and I expect to launch it in time to get in some sailing before the Canadian winter confines us to armchair sailing. Cheers
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Hi Paul
Nice to hear that you want the ECO 6 plans.? No problems about slow post. I send plans direct? as attchments to an email. Normally, you order and between 36 hours you have your plans.? I understand what you mean, start to built today and have here ready yesterday. lol Cheers Bernd |
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Thank you for your through, David.
The ceramic tiles of the Space shuttle are glued to the hull with a special epoxy. The temperature when entering the earth atmosphere was? ??or 2900 degrees C. Have you made some interesting sailing tours this year with your ECO, or have you sold her? Cheers Bernd |
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