Does anyone remember the summer of 1980? We encountered significant snow requiring precarious off trail travel in places between Forester and Whitney and down to Trail Camp in early August 1980. My memory is that it was 200% of normal that year, but I've never been able to track down the records. Does anyone know?
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Currently, snow sensors close to the JMT are tracking equal to or exceeding 2017, and for the few with data back to the winter of 82/83 they are general equal. Big start to winter!
The thing that made 2017, 2019, 1983, 2011 etc really exceptional was the sustained snowfall through March, where snow pack generally peaked. So the real test this winter will be if this craziness keeps up (or even reverts to a less intense, more normal snowfall pattern), for two more months.
If that happens, it could set usual spring schedules back by 4-6 weeks and July could look like a usual June with snow and water everywhere, and the peak melt off occurring well into July, making hazardous creek crossing conditions, and steep snow hazards on passes and around lakes. July 2017 was a lot like that, and August hikers that year said there was still lots of lingering snow at high elevations.?
If things really dry up, given that the snow pack in most places is already equal to the April 1 average (2.5 months early), you could still probably expect more-than-usual snow in July, but when it starts to melt it melts really fast so it might be muddy, wet and buggy, but otherwise fine for hiking.
But of course, this is all crystal ball gazing¡
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On 13 Jan 2023, at 1:51 pm, Curt Kinchen <ptcurt@...> wrote:
? Yes, it is a bit too early to tell.? It's not the snowpack percentage as of this date that you want to look at, but rather April 1st.? ?That comparison, especially as we get get closer to it, will give a much better idea.??
Take a look at this page and look at the 1983 winter you are recalling, as well as some of the other big years like 2017 and look at the trends.
For sure, it is ahead of both those high snow level years, but if there isn't any late spring snowfall and the temperatures warm early, it will change what July and August will look like.? That said, at this point I would anticipate something like the summer of 2017 with snow covered passes in early August. On Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 6:29 PM Derek Koonce < derek@...> wrote:
Waayy too early to predict. It is predicted to settle down at the
end of the month, but the future still is not known.
I use OpenSummit for my hiking weather app. It gives snow pack
information and weather information for mountain peaks. During the
winter I use the OpenSnow to learn about the weather rolling
through. Quite interesting read these last couple of weeks.
Two Dogs
On 1/12/2023 15:27, debra wrote:
Saw today¡¯s Sierra snowpack data - as of today the Southern Sierra
snowpack is 257% of normal. I grew up in California and can¡¯t
remember another January like this except maybe in the early 80s
sometime. Any thoughts on what those southern passes will look
like in July and August, or is it really too early to predict?
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1983 was the year Alpine Meadows ski resort had their avalanche session. The whole ridge broke during one storm. The result:
*?? Summit chair lift had the walls blown in and out the other side
*?? A gal was trapped in the chair house, under a bench, for a week until it was safe enough to get her out.
*?? The 2nd floor of the Alpine Meadows lodge was filled 2/3 with snow.
*?? The Alpine Bowl chair had snow that was 10 feet ABOVE the top of the chair lift towers.
*?? The powder skiing a couple of weeks later was just FANTASTIC!!! Light, dry powder that was hip deep, and drifts at least 5 feet.
Pretty wild ski season.
Two Dogs
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Excellent information on that CDEC site. Yes, it¡¯s 1983 I¡¯m remembering. Thanks Curt.
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Thanks for the tips on OpenSummit and OpenSnow. I didn¡¯t know about these. Great idea.
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Yes, it is a bit too early to tell.? It's not the snowpack percentage as of this date that you want to look at, but rather April 1st.? ?That comparison, especially as we get get closer to it, will give a much better idea.??
Take a look at this page and look at the 1983 winter you are recalling, as well as some of the other big years like 2017 and look at the trends.
For sure, it is ahead of both those high snow level years, but if there isn't any late spring snowfall and the temperatures warm early, it will change what July and August will look like.? That said, at this point I would anticipate something like the summer of 2017 with snow covered passes in early August.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 6:29 PM Derek Koonce < derek@...> wrote:
Waayy too early to predict. It is predicted to settle down at the
end of the month, but the future still is not known.
I use OpenSummit for my hiking weather app. It gives snow pack
information and weather information for mountain peaks. During the
winter I use the OpenSnow to learn about the weather rolling
through. Quite interesting read these last couple of weeks.
Two Dogs
On 1/12/2023 15:27, debra wrote:
Saw today¡¯s Sierra snowpack data - as of today the Southern Sierra
snowpack is 257% of normal. I grew up in California and can¡¯t
remember another January like this except maybe in the early 80s
sometime. Any thoughts on what those southern passes will look
like in July and August, or is it really too early to predict?
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Waayy too early to predict. It is predicted to settle down at the
end of the month, but the future still is not known.
I use OpenSummit for my hiking weather app. It gives snow pack
information and weather information for mountain peaks. During the
winter I use the OpenSnow to learn about the weather rolling
through. Quite interesting read these last couple of weeks.
Two Dogs
On 1/12/2023 15:27, debra wrote:
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Saw today¡¯s Sierra snowpack data - as of today the Southern Sierra
snowpack is 257% of normal. I grew up in California and can¡¯t
remember another January like this except maybe in the early 80s
sometime. Any thoughts on what those southern passes will look
like in July and August, or is it really too early to predict?
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Too early to tell. The storms could stop rolling in next week, and the temps could go up and melt everything, or it could keep snowing and there could be a cold Spring and none of the snow would melt.?
Kim
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Still much too early to be sure... It's a good start though!
Saw today¡¯s Sierra snowpack data - as of today the Southern Sierra snowpack is 257% of normal. I grew up in California and can¡¯t remember another January like this except maybe in the early 80s sometime. Any thoughts on what those southern passes will look like in July and August, or is it really too early to predict?
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Saw today¡¯s Sierra snowpack data - as of today the Southern Sierra snowpack is 257% of normal. I grew up in California and can¡¯t remember another January like this except maybe in the early 80s sometime. Any thoughts on what those southern passes will look like in July and August, or is it really too early to predict?
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Re: Horseshoe meadows to onion valley trailhead
Still some permits showing available right now (9:55am) Kearsarge to Cottonwood, but I¡¯m waiting until later in July or August.?
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Re: Horseshoe meadows to onion valley trailhead
That¡¯s my preference is to go SOBO so I can finish my thru hike which got interrupted.? So that¡¯s good news.?
Hi Andrew
I got Cottowood?Pass to Kearsarge pass (which is your reverse).? From what I see, entering Kearsarge pass is easier to get a permit, particularly on Wed, Thu through Sat.? In fact, there are still some permits left to leave Kearsarge Pass on Saturday July 8 (a day later than it opened).
Cottonwood pass seems to be the most popular trailhead?perhaps because you can do the entire JMT NoBo.
If I did not get that permit, I would have tried mid-week or started at OV and gone southbound.
Thanks. I am going to take your suggestion and practice ahead of time. We aren¡¯t going until August but our route is a popular one from OV to Horseshoe Meadows. Or Vice versa? Hi Andrew
I helped another friend get permits today.? Hitting "prev 5 days" and "next 5 days" works as I explained. If you hit it at exactly 7am, it keeps all the entries you made intact and refreshes just the table.
Good luck.??
I really wish Inyo?National Forest would switch to lotteries like Yosemite.??
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 10:36, Anand Kumar Sankaran via <anand.sankaran= [email protected]> wrote: It is one day at a time.?
The prev and next links (5 day), refresh the table without losing your input.? ? Sorry one more question: are permits available in five day blocks or one day at a time? I was under the impression it was one day at a time.? The reason I ask is because you mention using the previous five or next five day button. Is that so the day you want shows up right at 7 am? My name and emails are all saved in . You should setup?the account, credit card etc up front. You don't have to enter that.? You can choose permit type, date and group size a few minutes before 7am.??
Then, if you click prev 5 days and next 5 days, it should refresh the availability without losing your information. That is what I have seen in the past. This morning, that did not refresh, so I had to refresh the whole page and it lost the selections. I had to do "no-commercial", "overnight", "date" and group size at 7:00:30 am and it took about 10-15 seconds. When the page loaded, it showed 6 results.
I suggest you do a trial run a day or two before the days you want. Fill this, be ready at 7am, and try the prev page, next page a few times and see if it works.
When your day shows up, immediately select it and hit "book now" button, do not hesitate. The "book now" blocks those spots for you for up to 15 mins.
You then have 15 mins to enter the first campsite and pay.
Are you able to enter your information like name and number in your party before 7 am and then at 7 am pick your trailhead or does it all start at 7 am?
? OMG, what a crazy adrenaline rush. Just got permits for July 8th.? 0 available at 7am. I keep hitting "next week" and "previous week", but it does not refresh. I panic, hit the refresh?button in the browser, enter details, and suddenly only 6 permits are left. Grabbed the permits.
This is not for the faint of heart.? All 24 permits were gone within a minute. On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:43, Anand Kumar Sankaran via <anand.sankaran= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks Ravi and Paul.
You want Horseshoe Meadow trailhead over Cottonwood Pass. Cottonwood Lakes leads to New Army Pass. Some JMT hikers go? New Army but overwhelming majority go Cottonwood Pass.
Paul Fretheim East Side Sierra Shuttle? 760 878 8047?
Hi all
I am planning to hike from Horseshoe Meadows to Onion Valley next summer.
I see that there are two trailheads.
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I thought I should use JM39, but when I look at the map of the trails:
My understanding is we have to cross Cottonwood Pass and head towards Chicken Spring Lake (Inga's book suggested that is a good place to stay for the first night).
The map indicates Cottonwood lakes trailhead does not cross the pass, but that is the one marked as JMT.? However, that is the trail with permit requirements and limits.
Which trailhead should I use?
Thank you.
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Re: Horseshoe meadows to onion valley trailhead
Hi Andrew
I got Cottowood?Pass to Kearsarge pass (which is your reverse).? From what I see, entering Kearsarge pass is easier to get a permit, particularly on Wed, Thu through Sat.? In fact, there are still some permits left to leave Kearsarge Pass on Saturday July 8 (a day later than it opened).
Cottonwood pass seems to be the most popular trailhead?perhaps because you can do the entire JMT NoBo.
If I did not get that permit, I would have tried mid-week or started at OV and gone southbound.
Thanks. I am going to take your suggestion and practice ahead of time. We aren¡¯t going until August but our route is a popular one from OV to Horseshoe Meadows. Or Vice versa? Hi Andrew
I helped another friend get permits today.? Hitting "prev 5 days" and "next 5 days" works as I explained. If you hit it at exactly 7am, it keeps all the entries you made intact and refreshes just the table.
Good luck.??
I really wish Inyo?National Forest would switch to lotteries like Yosemite.??
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 10:36, Anand Kumar Sankaran via <anand.sankaran= [email protected]> wrote: It is one day at a time.?
The prev and next links (5 day), refresh the table without losing your input.? ? Sorry one more question: are permits available in five day blocks or one day at a time? I was under the impression it was one day at a time.? The reason I ask is because you mention using the previous five or next five day button. Is that so the day you want shows up right at 7 am? My name and emails are all saved in . You should setup?the account, credit card etc up front. You don't have to enter that.? You can choose permit type, date and group size a few minutes before 7am.??
Then, if you click prev 5 days and next 5 days, it should refresh the availability without losing your information. That is what I have seen in the past. This morning, that did not refresh, so I had to refresh the whole page and it lost the selections. I had to do "no-commercial", "overnight", "date" and group size at 7:00:30 am and it took about 10-15 seconds. When the page loaded, it showed 6 results.
I suggest you do a trial run a day or two before the days you want. Fill this, be ready at 7am, and try the prev page, next page a few times and see if it works.
When your day shows up, immediately select it and hit "book now" button, do not hesitate. The "book now" blocks those spots for you for up to 15 mins.
You then have 15 mins to enter the first campsite and pay.
Are you able to enter your information like name and number in your party before 7 am and then at 7 am pick your trailhead or does it all start at 7 am?
? OMG, what a crazy adrenaline rush. Just got permits for July 8th.? 0 available at 7am. I keep hitting "next week" and "previous week", but it does not refresh. I panic, hit the refresh?button in the browser, enter details, and suddenly only 6 permits are left. Grabbed the permits.
This is not for the faint of heart.? All 24 permits were gone within a minute. On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:43, Anand Kumar Sankaran via <anand.sankaran= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks Ravi and Paul.
You want Horseshoe Meadow trailhead over Cottonwood Pass. Cottonwood Lakes leads to New Army Pass. Some JMT hikers go? New Army but overwhelming majority go Cottonwood Pass.
Paul Fretheim East Side Sierra Shuttle? 760 878 8047?
Hi all
I am planning to hike from Horseshoe Meadows to Onion Valley next summer.
I see that there are two trailheads.
<image.png>
I thought I should use JM39, but when I look at the map of the trails:
My understanding is we have to cross Cottonwood Pass and head towards Chicken Spring Lake (Inga's book suggested that is a good place to stay for the first night).
The map indicates Cottonwood lakes trailhead does not cross the pass, but that is the one marked as JMT.? However, that is the trail with permit requirements and limits.
Which trailhead should I use?
Thank you.
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Re: Horseshoe meadows to onion valley trailhead
Thanks. I am going to take your suggestion and practice ahead of time. We aren¡¯t going until August but our route is a popular one from OV to Horseshoe Meadows. Or Vice versa?
Hi Andrew
I helped another friend get permits today.? Hitting "prev 5 days" and "next 5 days" works as I explained. If you hit it at exactly 7am, it keeps all the entries you made intact and refreshes just the table.
Good luck.??
I really wish Inyo?National Forest would switch to lotteries like Yosemite.??
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 10:36, Anand Kumar Sankaran via <anand.sankaran= [email protected]> wrote: It is one day at a time.?
The prev and next links (5 day), refresh the table without losing your input.? ? Sorry one more question: are permits available in five day blocks or one day at a time? I was under the impression it was one day at a time.? The reason I ask is because you mention using the previous five or next five day button. Is that so the day you want shows up right at 7 am? My name and emails are all saved in . You should setup?the account, credit card etc up front. You don't have to enter that.? You can choose permit type, date and group size a few minutes before 7am.??
Then, if you click prev 5 days and next 5 days, it should refresh the availability without losing your information. That is what I have seen in the past. This morning, that did not refresh, so I had to refresh the whole page and it lost the selections. I had to do "no-commercial", "overnight", "date" and group size at 7:00:30 am and it took about 10-15 seconds. When the page loaded, it showed 6 results.
I suggest you do a trial run a day or two before the days you want. Fill this, be ready at 7am, and try the prev page, next page a few times and see if it works.
When your day shows up, immediately select it and hit "book now" button, do not hesitate. The "book now" blocks those spots for you for up to 15 mins.
You then have 15 mins to enter the first campsite and pay.
Are you able to enter your information like name and number in your party before 7 am and then at 7 am pick your trailhead or does it all start at 7 am?
? OMG, what a crazy adrenaline rush. Just got permits for July 8th.? 0 available at 7am. I keep hitting "next week" and "previous week", but it does not refresh. I panic, hit the refresh?button in the browser, enter details, and suddenly only 6 permits are left. Grabbed the permits.
This is not for the faint of heart.? All 24 permits were gone within a minute. On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:43, Anand Kumar Sankaran via <anand.sankaran= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks Ravi and Paul.
You want Horseshoe Meadow trailhead over Cottonwood Pass. Cottonwood Lakes leads to New Army Pass. Some JMT hikers go? New Army but overwhelming majority go Cottonwood Pass.
Paul Fretheim East Side Sierra Shuttle? 760 878 8047?
Hi all
I am planning to hike from Horseshoe Meadows to Onion Valley next summer.
I see that there are two trailheads.
<image.png>
I thought I should use JM39, but when I look at the map of the trails:
My understanding is we have to cross Cottonwood Pass and head towards Chicken Spring Lake (Inga's book suggested that is a good place to stay for the first night).
The map indicates Cottonwood lakes trailhead does not cross the pass, but that is the one marked as JMT.? However, that is the trail with permit requirements and limits.
Which trailhead should I use?
Thank you.
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anand
-- anand
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anand
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anand
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Re: Horseshoe meadows to onion valley trailhead
Hi Andrew
I helped another friend get permits today.? Hitting "prev 5 days" and "next 5 days" works as I explained. If you hit it at exactly 7am, it keeps all the entries you made intact and refreshes just the table.
Good luck.??
I really wish Inyo?National Forest would switch to lotteries like Yosemite.??
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 10:36, Anand Kumar Sankaran via <anand.sankaran= [email protected]> wrote: It is one day at a time.?
The prev and next links (5 day), refresh the table without losing your input.? ? Sorry one more question: are permits available in five day blocks or one day at a time? I was under the impression it was one day at a time.? The reason I ask is because you mention using the previous five or next five day button. Is that so the day you want shows up right at 7 am? My name and emails are all saved in . You should setup?the account, credit card etc up front. You don't have to enter that.? You can choose permit type, date and group size a few minutes before 7am.??
Then, if you click prev 5 days and next 5 days, it should refresh the availability without losing your information. That is what I have seen in the past. This morning, that did not refresh, so I had to refresh the whole page and it lost the selections. I had to do "no-commercial", "overnight", "date" and group size at 7:00:30 am and it took about 10-15 seconds. When the page loaded, it showed 6 results.
I suggest you do a trial run a day or two before the days you want. Fill this, be ready at 7am, and try the prev page, next page a few times and see if it works.
When your day shows up, immediately select it and hit "book now" button, do not hesitate. The "book now" blocks those spots for you for up to 15 mins.
You then have 15 mins to enter the first campsite and pay.
Are you able to enter your information like name and number in your party before 7 am and then at 7 am pick your trailhead or does it all start at 7 am?
? OMG, what a crazy adrenaline rush. Just got permits for July 8th.? 0 available at 7am. I keep hitting "next week" and "previous week", but it does not refresh. I panic, hit the refresh?button in the browser, enter details, and suddenly only 6 permits are left. Grabbed the permits.
This is not for the faint of heart.? All 24 permits were gone within a minute. On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:43, Anand Kumar Sankaran via <anand.sankaran= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks Ravi and Paul.
You want Horseshoe Meadow trailhead over Cottonwood Pass. Cottonwood Lakes leads to New Army Pass. Some JMT hikers go? New Army but overwhelming majority go Cottonwood Pass.
Paul Fretheim East Side Sierra Shuttle? 760 878 8047?
Hi all
I am planning to hike from Horseshoe Meadows to Onion Valley next summer.
I see that there are two trailheads.
<image.png>
I thought I should use JM39, but when I look at the map of the trails:
My understanding is we have to cross Cottonwood Pass and head towards Chicken Spring Lake (Inga's book suggested that is a good place to stay for the first night).
The map indicates Cottonwood lakes trailhead does not cross the pass, but that is the one marked as JMT.? However, that is the trail with permit requirements and limits.
Which trailhead should I use?
Thank you.
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anand
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Re: Horseshoe meadows to onion valley trailhead
It is one day at a time.?
The prev and next links (5 day), refresh the table without losing your input.?
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On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:07 AM, Andrew Paisley <andrew.paisley866@...> wrote:
? Sorry one more question: are permits available in five day blocks or one day at a time? I was under the impression it was one day at a time.? The reason I ask is because you mention using the previous five or next five day button. Is that so the day you want shows up right at 7 am? My name and emails are all saved in . You should setup?the account, credit card etc up front. You don't have to enter that.? You can choose permit type, date and group size a few minutes before 7am.??
Then, if you click prev 5 days and next 5 days, it should refresh the availability without losing your information. That is what I have seen in the past. This morning, that did not refresh, so I had to refresh the whole page and it lost the selections. I had to do "no-commercial", "overnight", "date" and group size at 7:00:30 am and it took about 10-15 seconds. When the page loaded, it showed 6 results.
I suggest you do a trial run a day or two before the days you want. Fill this, be ready at 7am, and try the prev page, next page a few times and see if it works.
When your day shows up, immediately select it and hit "book now" button, do not hesitate. The "book now" blocks those spots for you for up to 15 mins.
You then have 15 mins to enter the first campsite and pay.
Are you able to enter your information like name and number in your party before 7 am and then at 7 am pick your trailhead or does it all start at 7 am?
? OMG, what a crazy adrenaline rush. Just got permits for July 8th.? 0 available at 7am. I keep hitting "next week" and "previous week", but it does not refresh. I panic, hit the refresh?button in the browser, enter details, and suddenly only 6 permits are left. Grabbed the permits.
This is not for the faint of heart.? All 24 permits were gone within a minute. On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:43, Anand Kumar Sankaran via <anand.sankaran= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks Ravi and Paul.
You want Horseshoe Meadow trailhead over Cottonwood Pass. Cottonwood Lakes leads to New Army Pass. Some JMT hikers go? New Army but overwhelming majority go Cottonwood Pass.
Paul Fretheim East Side Sierra Shuttle? 760 878 8047?
Hi all
I am planning to hike from Horseshoe Meadows to Onion Valley next summer.
I see that there are two trailheads.
<image.png>
I thought I should use JM39, but when I look at the map of the trails:
My understanding is we have to cross Cottonwood Pass and head towards Chicken Spring Lake (Inga's book suggested that is a good place to stay for the first night).
The map indicates Cottonwood lakes trailhead does not cross the pass, but that is the one marked as JMT.? However, that is the trail with permit requirements and limits.
Which trailhead should I use?
Thank you.
-- anand
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anand
-- anand
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anand
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Re: Horseshoe meadows to onion valley trailhead
Sorry one more question: are permits available in five day blocks or one day at a time? I was under the impression it was one day at a time.? The reason I ask is because you mention using the previous five or next five day button. Is that so the day you want shows up right at 7 am?
My name and emails are all saved in . You should setup?the account, credit card etc up front. You don't have to enter that.? You can choose permit type, date and group size a few minutes before 7am.??
Then, if you click prev 5 days and next 5 days, it should refresh the availability without losing your information. That is what I have seen in the past. This morning, that did not refresh, so I had to refresh the whole page and it lost the selections. I had to do "no-commercial", "overnight", "date" and group size at 7:00:30 am and it took about 10-15 seconds. When the page loaded, it showed 6 results.
I suggest you do a trial run a day or two before the days you want. Fill this, be ready at 7am, and try the prev page, next page a few times and see if it works.
When your day shows up, immediately select it and hit "book now" button, do not hesitate. The "book now" blocks those spots for you for up to 15 mins.
You then have 15 mins to enter the first campsite and pay.
Are you able to enter your information like name and number in your party before 7 am and then at 7 am pick your trailhead or does it all start at 7 am?
? OMG, what a crazy adrenaline rush. Just got permits for July 8th.? 0 available at 7am. I keep hitting "next week" and "previous week", but it does not refresh. I panic, hit the refresh?button in the browser, enter details, and suddenly only 6 permits are left. Grabbed the permits.
This is not for the faint of heart.? All 24 permits were gone within a minute. On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:43, Anand Kumar Sankaran via <anand.sankaran= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks Ravi and Paul.
You want Horseshoe Meadow trailhead over Cottonwood Pass. Cottonwood Lakes leads to New Army Pass. Some JMT hikers go? New Army but overwhelming majority go Cottonwood Pass.
Paul Fretheim East Side Sierra Shuttle? 760 878 8047?
Hi all
I am planning to hike from Horseshoe Meadows to Onion Valley next summer.
I see that there are two trailheads.
<image.png>
I thought I should use JM39, but when I look at the map of the trails:
My understanding is we have to cross Cottonwood Pass and head towards Chicken Spring Lake (Inga's book suggested that is a good place to stay for the first night).
The map indicates Cottonwood lakes trailhead does not cross the pass, but that is the one marked as JMT.? However, that is the trail with permit requirements and limits.
Which trailhead should I use?
Thank you.
-- anand
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anand
-- anand
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anand
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Re: Horseshoe meadows to onion valley trailhead
My name and emails are all saved in . You should setup?the account, credit card etc up front. You don't have to enter that.? You can choose permit type, date and group size a few minutes before 7am.??
Then, if you click prev 5 days and next 5 days, it should refresh the availability without losing your information. That is what I have seen in the past. This morning, that did not refresh, so I had to refresh the whole page and it lost the selections. I had to do "no-commercial", "overnight", "date" and group size at 7:00:30 am and it took about 10-15 seconds. When the page loaded, it showed 6 results.
I suggest you do a trial run a day or two before the days you want. Fill this, be ready at 7am, and try the prev page, next page a few times and see if it works.
When your day shows up, immediately select it and hit "book now" button, do not hesitate. The "book now" blocks those spots for you for up to 15 mins.
You then have 15 mins to enter the first campsite and pay.
Are you able to enter your information like name and number in your party before 7 am and then at 7 am pick your trailhead or does it all start at 7 am? ? OMG, what a crazy adrenaline rush. Just got permits for July 8th.? 0 available at 7am. I keep hitting "next week" and "previous week", but it does not refresh. I panic, hit the refresh?button in the browser, enter details, and suddenly only 6 permits are left. Grabbed the permits.
This is not for the faint of heart.? All 24 permits were gone within a minute. On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:43, Anand Kumar Sankaran via <anand.sankaran= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks Ravi and Paul.
You want Horseshoe Meadow trailhead over Cottonwood Pass. Cottonwood Lakes leads to New Army Pass. Some JMT hikers go? New Army but overwhelming majority go Cottonwood Pass.
Paul Fretheim East Side Sierra Shuttle? 760 878 8047?
Hi all
I am planning to hike from Horseshoe Meadows to Onion Valley next summer.
I see that there are two trailheads.
<image.png>
I thought I should use JM39, but when I look at the map of the trails:
My understanding is we have to cross Cottonwood Pass and head towards Chicken Spring Lake (Inga's book suggested that is a good place to stay for the first night).
The map indicates Cottonwood lakes trailhead does not cross the pass, but that is the one marked as JMT.? However, that is the trail with permit requirements and limits.
Which trailhead should I use?
Thank you.
-- anand
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anand
-- anand
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Re: Horseshoe meadows to onion valley trailhead
Are you able to enter your information like name and number in your party before 7 am and then at 7 am pick your trailhead or does it all start at 7 am?
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On Jan 8, 2023, at 9:15 AM, Anand Kumar Sankaran <anand.sankaran@...> wrote:
? OMG, what a crazy adrenaline rush. Just got permits for July 8th.? 0 available at 7am. I keep hitting "next week" and "previous week", but it does not refresh. I panic, hit the refresh?button in the browser, enter details, and suddenly only 6 permits are left. Grabbed the permits.
This is not for the faint of heart.? All 24 permits were gone within a minute. On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 10:43, Anand Kumar Sankaran via <anand.sankaran= [email protected]> wrote: Thanks Ravi and Paul.
You want Horseshoe Meadow trailhead over Cottonwood Pass. Cottonwood Lakes leads to New Army Pass. Some JMT hikers go? New Army but overwhelming majority go Cottonwood Pass.
Paul Fretheim East Side Sierra Shuttle? 760 878 8047?
Hi all
I am planning to hike from Horseshoe Meadows to Onion Valley next summer.
I see that there are two trailheads.
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I thought I should use JM39, but when I look at the map of the trails:
My understanding is we have to cross Cottonwood Pass and head towards Chicken Spring Lake (Inga's book suggested that is a good place to stay for the first night).
The map indicates Cottonwood lakes trailhead does not cross the pass, but that is the one marked as JMT.? However, that is the trail with permit requirements and limits.
Which trailhead should I use?
Thank you.
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