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Where does one go to find the results of these annual surveys? I googled and couldn't find the data. Surely it's accessible (and not just on FB). Can someone point me to it? Thx.

The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group. * /JMT Files and Links (curated by the moderators) hosted on Google Drive ( https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2fotO9uESMFZlNadHoxUUtnZHM?resourcekey=0-BY8Opzm5T4cT4TTkJiIJ_w&usp=sharing ) Ryan Rankin, Inga Aksamit and I, with help from some others, moved these old Yahoo file folders to a Google Drive folder shared with the Facebook groups and open to the public via any search engine. Ryan removed outdated and duplicate files and reorganized the remaining, selected files into a logical folder structure. This work was done several years ago and is working well. Find that folder at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2fotO9uESMFZlNadHoxUUtnZHM?resourcekey=0-BY8Opzm5T4cT4TTkJiIJ_w&usp=sharing It is a rich resource and I hope you will explore it.

Every year we prepare a series of Google Spreadsheets to: 1) List your trip plan/itinerary so other members can look for you - or you can look for them Links and instructions at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T0fjduY5sXx4ZLgjVG0luNf4Yw6ozfN7QchYX73EBns 2) Join with others to split the cost of a mule-supported resupply 3) Share transportation - cars, rentals, shuttle services 4) Share a bearcan 5) Swap cars before your start so you each find your car at the end of your hike Links and instructions at https://docs.google.com/document/d/16EXybMPtBc9MTrx_F8BavaYSK0SEsFL4bvLm3h_Sq98 You can either offer a resource or request one, e.g., offer a ride in your car or request one. These resources are shared across groups, so Facebook group members also participate. -- John Curran Ladd San Francisco, CA 415-648-9279

From Elizabeth Wenk, JMT guidebook author extraordinaire - see https://www.amazon.com/stores/Elizabeth-Wenk/author/B004R0TMBC Her basic recommendation -- that most JMT hikers should avoid the damaged South Fork San Joaquin bridge via Piute and Bishop Passes -- are in agreement with the most experienced nd well-informed hikers I know: Ned Tibbits, Inga Aksamit, Andrew Skurka I will pin this post and the discussion at the top of our home page (/g/JMT/topics) For our prior discussion of this topic, see message thread: /g/JMT/topic/major_bridge_outage_reported/98359250 For the discussion on Facebook, see https://www.facebook.com/groups/JohnMuirTrail/permalink/10159814410158981/ As everyone knows, the middle bridge along Goddard Canyon was damaged this past winter, likely due to heavy, lopsided snow on the bridge. (37.20319?N, 118.8009?W; mile 114.8 SOBO; 107.4 NOBO) The trees to either side of the bridge are identical to those in photos I took in 2021, so it is unlikely to have been an avalanche that caused the damage. The bridge is still well above the water and it is too early to know exactly what it will look like, but one handrail is clearly badly damaged. Until in-person assessments are made, we have to assume bypasses will be required and lots of suggestions are swirling around the internet – including several I’ve made. I’ve pulled together and edited all the bits and pieces I’ve posted across multiple sites. Remember as well, that you can use your permit to simply do an out-and-back trip along a piece of the JMT, avoiding the bridge altogether. And thank you to Inga Aksamit, John Ladd, and the John Muir Trail Wilderness Conservancy for encouraging me to post this. A. RECOMMENDED ROUTE Bishop Pass /Piute Pass (JMT in LeConte Canyon to JMT at Piute Bridge/Piute Pass junction) This is the recommended route for most JMT hikers. The only option to remain entirely on a well-maintained trail is to use Bishop Pass to South Lake and North Lake to Piute Pass to bypass the JMT from LeConte Canyon to the Piute Pass junction. As of this writing (late April 2023), your Wilderness Permit is invalidated if you leave at one trailhead and re-enter at a different trailhead. Hopefully an exemption will be made for this regulation this year, explicitly for this detour. This detour is described (with annotated elevation profiles) on 266-269 of the John Muir Trail: The Essential Guide to Hiking America's Most Famous Trail (Wilderness Press; 6th edition); there are elevation profiles on page 96-97 of the accompanying JMT Data Book (2nd edition) Distance/elevation bypassed along JMT for this section: 26.7 trail miles and +3,000/-4,000 feet. Distance/elevation of route: 29.2 trail miles + 12.0 road miles (easy to hitch); trail section is +6,190/-6,390 feet; road section is -1,900/+1,300 feet. Creek crossings: On the Bishop Pass Trail: the one water crossing of the Dusy Branch can be deep and intimidating; the higher crossing is on a bridge; on the northeast side of the pass, many small creeks need to be waded, but none should be dangerous. On the Piute Pass Trail: those on the east side have logs/bridges;on the west side, French Canyon creek is broad with multiple channels. It will be a wade, but I don’t think ever impassable; the two Pinnacles Creeks might be tricky and should be crossed early in the day. B. NON-ADVISED ROUTES THAT ARE PLAUSIBLE FOR EXPERIENCED OFF-TRAIL HIKERS Lamarck Col/Piute Pass (JMT at the north end of Evolution Basin to JMT at Piute Bridge/Piute Pass jct) For experienced cross-country hikers, this is the easiest of the off-trail routes, with a use trail along much of the distance, but this summer there will be snow cover through July – or beyond. It has the attraction that you miss much less of the JMT, but it takes you over a high pass. It has the advantage that you never leave Wilderness, if that is necessitated. There are only two “sketchy” sections. The first is a stretch along the second highest Darwin Canyon Lake where you cross mid-large boulders right at the water’s edge; thes

Hi All, I think we are in hard times right now. I'm planning my JMT hike part 2 in July, following on from part 1 in 2023, and just want to say thanks to this awesome community that has provided me with so much great information, and goodwill from the start :) Thank you for being such a fabulous community. Regards, Geraldine

If you're interested in sharing packer resupply costs, rides, car swaps, gear exchange, etc, please complete the JMT Matchmaker sheet. We're using Version 3 this year (2025). It is shared with Groups.IO and several FB groups that are loosely coordinated: John Muir Trail, Ladies of the JMT and the annual group. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/116X5h6SHLvXpsXweTqjQ-Jz0qzHEWtyhBw_RsuXX-sk/edit?usp=sharing Inga Aksamit

Just got my permit but when I looked at 10 AM there were 99+ available permits for entering at Mono Pass exiting Whitney on Sept. 1. I checked and double checked my confirmed permit. Judy McGuire

I noticed the Reds Meadow Road Closure page has been updated. https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/inyo/alerts-notices/?cid=fseprd1127643 The road will be open Thursday through Sunday for most of July and August with different schedules for the holiday weekends. The open days are reduced in September and October. The Reds Meadow Campground will be closed for renovation this year. It doesn't say if there will be a backpacker's campsite available. Frank -- Frank

Hi, Long time member of the former yahoo group and have hiked the JMT a number of times, and considering the ongoing difficulties with securing permits, does anyone have a suggestion of a trail about 100 miles that is similar in terrain and altitude to the JMT that does not require permits? I'm of a mind to hike in the Sierras again - it's been a few years - and want to try to avoid the hassle of fighting for the few permits that do come available. If this is not an appropriate forum to post this, I don't mind being told so. Peace and love and all that. Thanks. Ken J.

About three months ago, I got into "rucking" which is just walking with a weighted backpack. There are a lot of setups, but GoRuck is probably the most well known. I heard about rucking from Peter Attia's podcasts (which I highly recommend). What's great about rucking, in the context of backpacking, is that one can stay in shape for carrying loads with a small form factor pack, rather than loading up a regular backpacking setup. Rucking involves carrying the load higher on the back than in backpacking, and most people don't use a waist belt (I don't use one). I have found it a great form of exercise to walk with about 20-25% of my body weight, which is about 35-40 pounds, far more than I ever carry for backpacking. This makes my typical backpacking load in my ULA packs seem luxurious in comparison. Anyway, I haven't been able to get out much on trails for several years and this is a way to stay in shape in the city in a non-conspicuous way, compared to walking around with a backpacking setup. As we are now in the "off season" for the JMT, I thought I'd post as an idea for others looking to stay in shape. I also run about 200 miles/month and do weight training, but neither of those activities alone is sufficient prep for backpacking. At age 51, I am increasingly aware of the limited number of summers I have left to enjoy the high Sierra in relatively vigorous health and I think this rucking habit might buy me a few years into my 70s (hopefully) and maybe I have another good 25 years left to enjoy backpacking (crossing fingers, knock on wood).

I wanted to reach out to this group, as I’ve lost all my ultralight backpacking gear when my home burned down in the recent Eaton Canyon Fire here in Altadena, CA. I am hoping to return to backpacking this year (I have a start date for the PCT in April). If you have any ideas for donations, discounts and used gear I’d really appreciate it. I’ve learned so much from the group and look forward to any help you can offer. Best, Leslie Frank

I've made 8 phone calls (following up on one email to Inyo NF) about this and been bounced from FS to eastern sierra regional office to recreation.gov (3 different places) back to Inyo FS HQ and then to Lone Pine FS. I STILL do not have an answer. Maybe the wise people on this listserv can help. I want a permit to enter Mono Pass trail at Mosquito Flat and exit Whitney. I'm playing around on Recreation.gov now to get ready for the actual dates I want so I can do it within a nanosecond of 7 AM Pacific time. I've found that most days the entire quota (12) for that trailhead is for just backpacking and NOT for exiting at Whitney. Not sure how many should be set aside for Whitney exit but it looks like none most days. Oddly enough, there are some NRs (not released) and some zeroes in that row going back in time. Clearly operator error. I've tried to verify that a) one is allowed to enter at Mono Pass and exit at Whitney (answer today: yes that is allowed if you have the permit) b) there should be permits on recreation.gov to do this. There appears to be a major disconnect between FS and recreation.gov. None of the responsible government agencies appears to be able to get recreation.gov, a contractor, to correct the website. No one who answers the phone at recreation.gov has any idea what I'm talking about or can help and they pass me on to the next clueless person (or in one case a dead line). The FS guys know very well that the website is failing but they can't do anything about it. So I asked a FS ranger in Lone Pine today what to do. Based on his advise, here's my plan of action. First I'm going to call early tomorrow morning to talk to another ranger in Lone Pine who today's ranger told me might know more. Second, I will continue trying to get a Whitney exit permit on recreation.gov. Third, when I'm hitting the end of my starting window, if I can't get a Mono/Whitney pass, I'm going to get the regular Mono backpacking pass . Fourth, if I fail to get a Mono/Whitney permit 6 months out, I'll try for a last minute (nee "walk up") permit two weeks before . Fifth, if I still can't get a Mono/Whitney pass, I'll bring my Mono Pass backpacking permit to the FS office in Mammoth Lakes and grovel, tell them my sad story and hope they give me a Whitney exit permit; Finally, if that fails, I guess I'll have to add three days onto my journey, and, after summiting Whitney, hike south to Horseshoe Meadows, where, I was told, I can exit to Lone Pine (true?) . OR I could risk getting a $1000 fine by exiting Whitney without a permit but doing so at night because the rangers leave at 6 PM. Any other solutions out there? Does anyone have any insight as to how to get recreation.gov to correct its website? I do NOT want to exit on the Western side because it's too hard to get back to civilization. Thanks Judy McGuire

We had to abort last year at VVR because I got COVID. But we hope to finish this year starting at Mosquito Flat/Mono Pass Trail. Just to figure out the permit system, I went to recreation.gov and looked up Mono Pass permits (exiting Whitney) and 6 months from today (i.e. 7/15/25) says it has 0 (zero) permits (not NR, which they say means not yet released). I assume that means that all permits have been taken. Correct? When I go back 5 days a few times, I see one available at an earlier date. When I move forward in 5 day increments it says 0 everywhere. Does zero mean different things at different times? I want to try for an entry some time between Aug. 30 and Sept. 2. February has only 28 days. How do they count 6 months before the end of August when February doesn't have a 29, 30 or 31?. THanks Judy McGuire

Hi All, I was just looking to book a permit from Bear Ridge trailhead in John Muir for late June / early July, and all dates are blank. Does anyone know if there is a change to the process this year please? Regards, Geraldine.

I've got a used MiniMo that I don't need for sale, $50. It is in great shape and works perfectly. It has done the JMT so is experienced;) Let me know if you are interested. Curt