Re: Thoughts on Snow Pack for mid-July to Mid Aug hike
I hiked the JMT in mid to the end of August in 2017 and the mosquitos were pretty much everywhere, but I only found them to be bothersome during the day a couple of places.? It was more what you would expect, around dusk and in places near water.? I'm guessing it was typical of a month or 45 days earlier in an average(there is no normal in CA) snow year.
I will say that I'm glad I did it when I did as the scenery was simply spectacular and by that time the snow covered passes were easily manageable, with well defined routes.? I gained some snow hiking experience and confidence, without the risks and difficulty of hiking it a month earlier.
I happened to talk to a couple in Lone Pine at the bus stop a couple of days prior to my start and they were just off the trail.? They looked tired as you might expect, but in addition they didn't look happy.? Perhaps they were just exhausted, buy they didn't seem to have enjoyed the experience.? ?I can't say if it was all due to the conditions, but I recall them mentioning that as an issue for them.
Realize that January has been somewhat of a slow start given the amount of snow in December.? Just remember that in 2018/ 2019, the year of Snowzilla, we had a great start in November but no real additional snow until the end of January
and then didn’t stop until late April.? No one has been able to predict with certainty in January the snow totals for February and March.
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Yes, now was somewhat crazy back in December, but January has been dry and no major rain/snow event is in sight. We are down to just ~20% over average and drop fast.
Follow along here:?
I do wish we’d have another high snow year though, we need the water + high snow Sierra hikes are epic!
Happy Trails
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Re: Thoughts on Snow Pack for mid-July to Mid Aug hike
Realize that January has been somewhat of a slow start given the amount of snow in December.? Just remember that in 2018/ 2019, the year of Snowzilla, we had a great start in November but no real additional snow until the end of January
and then didn’t stop until late April. ?No one has been able to predict with certainty in January the snow totals for February and March.
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From: Rick Amr
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 10:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JMT-groups.io] Thoughts on Snow Pack for mid-July to Mid Aug hike
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Yes, now was somewhat crazy back in December, but January has been dry and no major rain/snow event is in sight. We are down to just ~20% over average and drop fast.
Follow along here:?
I do wish we’d have another high snow year though, we need the water + high snow Sierra hikes are epic!
Happy Trails
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Re: Thoughts on Snow Pack for mid-July to Mid Aug hike
Hello Sam - Not sure if you are also a member of the JMT Facebook group, but there is quite a bit of snow chat there. I've been posting periodic updates there of snow sensor data from near the trail for the past few years, and will do so this winter/spring too.
As a general comment on hiking the JMT after a big snow winter: it does raise some objective hazards (swollen creeks, steep snow, thin snow bridges, hidden hazards, sun cups, etc). I started my hike in early July 2017, a very big snow year, and all those things were relevant. Some people hated it and got off trail within a couple days. Others (like myself) just accepted the conditions and in the end I enjoyed the snow sections more than the dry trail. A key issue is that there's water everywhere, and wet feet becomes a way of life. However, there is a strange little window before too much snow has melted where the mosquitoes aren't that bad. I was amazed how easy I got off - a couple crazy bug sections but they were few and far between. Must have been either too cold or too much moving water for the bugs to hatch.
All that said, after big December storms it's been flat line for the past two weeks. Basically there is no telling how hiking conditions will pan out until April or May - in the meantime all the speculation is just for fun.
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Re: Yosemite permits on recreation.gov
Aha! Good to know there are still knowledgable humans behind the web interface. I just tried to look up the Full Trailheads Report (which I now recall had switched to a more interactive version last year hosted on the Yosemite Conservancy website). The YNP website still links to the Conservancy website when you look up Full Trailheads Report, but the Conservancy website now just points to Rec dot gov for permit availability. I guess that answers that! However, the Conservancy website does say:? 
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Re: Thoughts on Snow Pack for mid-July to Mid Aug hike
Yes, now was somewhat crazy back in December, but January has been dry and no major rain/snow event is in sight. We are down to just ~20% over average and drop fast.
Follow along here:?
I do wish we’d have another high snow year though, we need the water + high snow Sierra hikes are epic!
Happy Trails
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Re: Thoughts on Snow Pack for mid-July to Mid Aug hike
First, I think it's WAY too early to worry about the snow pack right now. But, yeah, to your point, I went out on the JMT in July/August of 2017 when there of 200% of average snow pack. It sucked. Snow covered passes, raging creeks, muddy trails, and mosquitoes for days.??
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Thoughts on Snow Pack for mid-July to Mid Aug hike
Crazy snow so far. My concern is hiking through snow and being eaten by skeeters starting NB in mid to late July. I know its too early to say definitively, but I love to chat about backpacking. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
Sam
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Re: Resupply and rest day in Independence at Mt. Williamson Motel
#Resupply
Your trip-report is fantastic good, I got a lot of ideas from it for my JMT-plan-2022. thank you!
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Re: Resupply and rest day in Independence at Mt. Williamson Motel
#Resupply
?We stayed in the Independence Inn and had Jim, the Innkeeper, shuttle us to and from the trailhead.? Highly recommended!? Probably less expensive.? Accommodations are very good. Centrally located (across the highway from the other place, where our experience was rated not so great).
You can call Jim from Kearsarge Pass and receive an individualized shuttle, also probably less expensive and also tailored to your needs.? Of course, you'll want to communicate your plans in advance to Jim.
Jim's hiker box was deluxe when we visited, see report.? I believe that it's for Inn guests.?
More fantastic stuff in this trip report, although probably not what you seek
--------------------> -- Wherever you go, there you are,? Cheers, WV
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Re: Yosemite permits on recreation.gov
Lange:
>?and for what purpose if YNP isn’t running the permit reservations anymore
Its still the same folks running the permit program, they are just not using their own platform anymore.
I recently had my Wilderness /Half Dome Permit Application incorrectly cancelled and they were very quickly able to fix that issue. They were very nice and helpful. I was glad to be able to speak to a human person despite the move to recreation.gov.
Happy Trails!
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Re: Yosemite permits on recreation.gov
Lange : Traffic jams in Yose - what’s that ? BTW thank you for all snow reports we’ve been reading for years between you and John Dittli . Karina Bezkrovnaia
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On Jan 10, 2022, at 22:16, Lange Jorstad via groups.io <langejorstad@...> wrote:
? Yeah seems like keeping the full trailheads report going would require manual updates from rec dot gov, and for what purpose if YNP isn’t running the permit reservations anymore?
Still seems like the logistics of getting to Lyell trailhead will be interesting with the campground closed, which might actually make it easier to score a walk-up since presumably everyone will need a ride into TM the morning of (maybe there will be early morning traffic jams into TM?). On 11 Jan 2022, at 11:24 am, Frank <frankdpct@...> wrote:
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From the
Yosemite wilderness permits page? :
"Twelve days after the lottery application period begins
for any given week (i.e., the Friday 22 weeks in advance),
reservations for all trailheads that still have space will
become available (until seven days in advance) at 9 am PT. Any
later cancellations will become available immediately."
Looks like
they plan to revert to the pre-covid method for walk ups.
"Permits are available in-person on a first-come, first-served
basis at permit issuing stations starting at 11 am one day
before intended start date."
I would think
that they would remove the full trailheads report since that
information is available on recreation.gov.
Frank
On 1/10/2022 3:23 PM, Lange Jorstad via
groups.io wrote:
Hi Karina - that I don’t know. I’d assume the walk-ups will
operate like last year? Looks like there are 6 for HI-LYV pass
through and 12 for Lyell. Unclaimed or returned permits I’d assume
will be the same - frequently check the available permits and if
you see one pop up then apply directly for that date and hope you
get it? TBH I’m not sure how or if the recreation dot com booking
system will be linked to the Yosemite full trailheads report?
Inga is probably the best source of information on the
nuances of the permit system this year…
?
Lange, so how is the left overs from Lottery permits working
out now ?
Are we suppose to apply for them directly ones the
lottery eligible week is closed ?
When they are not yet “ walk -ups “?
I love the increase of Illiluette quota ?
Karina Bezkrovnaia
?Looks like with the exclusion of GP,
Sunrise and HI->LYV permits from "Donohue
eligibility", the compromise was to open the full
daily quota of HI->past LYV to JMT hikers.
I appreciate this probably isn't your permit
preference, but worth noting that the Yosemite Permit
Quota page indicates that they have increased the
HI->LYV daily quota from 30 to 45, and the
HI->Illilouette daily quota from 5 to 30,
presumably to compensate for the reduced permit
availability at other trailheads in 2022 (and
beyond?). Hopefully they will eventually reinstate
some of the "non-Donohue" HI->past LYV quota...
-- Frank
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Re: Yosemite permits on recreation.gov
Yeah seems like keeping the full trailheads report going would require manual updates from rec dot gov, and for what purpose if YNP isn’t running the permit reservations anymore?
Still seems like the logistics of getting to Lyell trailhead will be interesting with the campground closed, which might actually make it easier to score a walk-up since presumably everyone will need a ride into TM the morning of (maybe there will be early morning traffic jams into TM?).
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On 11 Jan 2022, at 11:24 am, Frank <frankdpct@...> wrote:
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From the
Yosemite wilderness permits page? :
"Twelve days after the lottery application period begins
for any given week (i.e., the Friday 22 weeks in advance),
reservations for all trailheads that still have space will
become available (until seven days in advance) at 9 am PT. Any
later cancellations will become available immediately."
Looks like
they plan to revert to the pre-covid method for walk ups.
"Permits are available in-person on a first-come, first-served
basis at permit issuing stations starting at 11 am one day
before intended start date."
I would think
that they would remove the full trailheads report since that
information is available on recreation.gov.
Frank
On 1/10/2022 3:23 PM, Lange Jorstad via
groups.io wrote:
Hi Karina - that I don’t know. I’d assume the walk-ups will
operate like last year? Looks like there are 6 for HI-LYV pass
through and 12 for Lyell. Unclaimed or returned permits I’d assume
will be the same - frequently check the available permits and if
you see one pop up then apply directly for that date and hope you
get it? TBH I’m not sure how or if the recreation dot com booking
system will be linked to the Yosemite full trailheads report?
Inga is probably the best source of information on the
nuances of the permit system this year…
?
Lange, so how is the left overs from Lottery permits working
out now ?
Are we suppose to apply for them directly ones the
lottery eligible week is closed ?
When they are not yet “ walk -ups “?
I love the increase of Illiluette quota ?
Karina Bezkrovnaia
?Looks like with the exclusion of GP,
Sunrise and HI->LYV permits from "Donohue
eligibility", the compromise was to open the full
daily quota of HI->past LYV to JMT hikers.
I appreciate this probably isn't your permit
preference, but worth noting that the Yosemite Permit
Quota page indicates that they have increased the
HI->LYV daily quota from 30 to 45, and the
HI->Illilouette daily quota from 5 to 30,
presumably to compensate for the reduced permit
availability at other trailheads in 2022 (and
beyond?). Hopefully they will eventually reinstate
some of the "non-Donohue" HI->past LYV quota...
-- Frank
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Re: Yosemite permits on recreation.gov
Hi Lange, Thank you for so much detail! I will ask the trail Yodas :) It is all so confusing…. I liked the trailhead quays chart - it was easy to operate and act accordingly.
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From the
Yosemite wilderness permits page? :
"Twelve days after the lottery application period begins
for any given week (i.e., the Friday 22 weeks in advance),
reservations for all trailheads that still have space will
become available (until seven days in advance) at 9 am PT. Any
later cancellations will become available immediately."
Looks like
they plan to revert to the pre-covid method for walk ups.
"Permits are available in-person on a first-come, first-served
basis at permit issuing stations starting at 11 am one day
before intended start date."
I would think
that they would remove the full trailheads report since that
information is available on recreation.gov.
Frank
On 1/10/2022 3:23 PM, Lange Jorstad via
groups.io wrote:
Hi Karina - that I don’t know. I’d assume the walk-ups will
operate like last year? Looks like there are 6 for HI-LYV pass
through and 12 for Lyell. Unclaimed or returned permits I’d assume
will be the same - frequently check the available permits and if
you see one pop up then apply directly for that date and hope you
get it? TBH I’m not sure how or if the recreation dot com booking
system will be linked to the Yosemite full trailheads report?
Inga is probably the best source of information on the
nuances of the permit system this year…
?
Lange, so how is the left overs from Lottery permits working
out now ?
Are we suppose to apply for them directly ones the
lottery eligible week is closed ?
When they are not yet “ walk -ups “?
I love the increase of Illiluette quota ?
Karina Bezkrovnaia
?Looks like with the exclusion of GP,
Sunrise and HI->LYV permits from "Donohue
eligibility", the compromise was to open the full
daily quota of HI->past LYV to JMT hikers.
I appreciate this probably isn't your permit
preference, but worth noting that the Yosemite Permit
Quota page indicates that they have increased the
HI->LYV daily quota from 30 to 45, and the
HI->Illilouette daily quota from 5 to 30,
presumably to compensate for the reduced permit
availability at other trailheads in 2022 (and
beyond?). Hopefully they will eventually reinstate
some of the "non-Donohue" HI->past LYV quota...
-- Frank
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Re: Resupply and rest day in Independence at Mt. Williamson Motel
#Resupply
I totally aggree with you Peter. ?We love to help hikers and support them even when not a guest. ?Our experience has been that there is not consistent and reliable information given and depending on who you talk to there are different interpretations of rules and orders causing a lot of chaos at times which puts hikers at risk. ?We try to get reliable information And encourage hikers to text on their inreach or call us to see what info we have that can help them. Thanks for supporting us with your kind words. Lauralyn Mt Williamson Motel and BaseCamp www.mtwilliamsonmotel.com
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On Jan 10, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Lauralyn <lauralyn@...> wrote:
? Yes you may resupply in aindependence without a penalty. The Mt Williamson is taking reservations already for the 2022 hiking season. We have several discounted packages for hikers. Feel free to email us with any questions you have about logistics. We love to serve Hikers.? Lauralyn Mt Williamson Motel and BaseCamp Lauralyn@... On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Peter Hirst <peter.p.hirst@...> wrote:
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I think the answer is that this is allowed, but? your best source of information on this will be the fine folks at the Mt Williamson Motel.? They have been dealing with this for a few years now and can tell you from their first-hand experience.? It is their business, and they do it? very well. I would not even rely on any answer you get from Inyo National Forest.? And I say that with all due respect for the fine work Inyo does in many other respects.? Making their regulations and policies clear on questions like this is not their strong suit.? For years Inyo had a very clear position of allowing a 24-hour? departure from the trail, and return by the same departure point.? Then a couple of years ago, they muddied the waters by rescinding that permission, then modifying it a couple of times, eventually saying that they would allow time "reasonably necessary" for resupply.? There have been varying interpretations of what amount of time is "reasonably necessary" at any given resupply point.? You can look at the Inyo National Forest web site for whatever their latest is on the subject, but ultimately, I would rely only on Mt Willamson tells ypou their actual experience has been.
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Re: Resupply and rest day in Independence at Mt. Williamson Motel
#Resupply
Yes you may resupply in aindependence without a penalty. The Mt Williamson is taking reservations already for the 2022 hiking season. We have several discounted packages for hikers. Feel free to email us with any questions you have about logistics. We love to serve Hikers.? Lauralyn Mt Williamson Motel and BaseCamp
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On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Peter Hirst <peter.p.hirst@...> wrote:
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I think the answer is that this is allowed, but? your best source of information on this will be the fine folks at the Mt Williamson Motel.? They have been dealing with this for a few years now and can tell you from their first-hand experience.? It is their business, and they do it? very well. I would not even rely on any answer you get from Inyo National Forest.? And I say that with all due respect for the fine work Inyo does in many other respects.? Making their regulations and policies clear on questions like this is not their strong suit.? For years Inyo had a very clear position of allowing a 24-hour? departure from the trail, and return by the same departure point.? Then a couple of years ago, they muddied the waters by rescinding that permission, then modifying it a couple of times, eventually saying that they would allow time "reasonably necessary" for resupply.? There have been varying interpretations of what amount of time is "reasonably necessary" at any given resupply point.? You can look at the Inyo National Forest web site for whatever their latest is on the subject, but ultimately, I would rely only on Mt Willamson tells ypou their actual experience has been.
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Re: Yosemite permits on recreation.gov
From the
Yosemite wilderness permits page? :
"Twelve days after the lottery application period begins
for any given week (i.e., the Friday 22 weeks in advance),
reservations for all trailheads that still have space will
become available (until seven days in advance) at 9 am PT. Any
later cancellations will become available immediately."
Looks like
they plan to revert to the pre-covid method for walk ups.
"Permits are available in-person on a first-come, first-served
basis at permit issuing stations starting at 11 am one day
before intended start date."
I would think
that they would remove the full trailheads report since that
information is available on recreation.gov.
Frank
On 1/10/2022 3:23 PM, Lange Jorstad via
groups.io wrote:
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Hi Karina - that I don’t know. I’d assume the walk-ups will
operate like last year? Looks like there are 6 for HI-LYV pass
through and 12 for Lyell. Unclaimed or returned permits I’d assume
will be the same - frequently check the available permits and if
you see one pop up then apply directly for that date and hope you
get it? TBH I’m not sure how or if the recreation dot com booking
system will be linked to the Yosemite full trailheads report?
Inga is probably the best source of information on the
nuances of the permit system this year…
?
Lange, so how is the left overs from Lottery permits working
out now ?
Are we suppose to apply for them directly ones the
lottery eligible week is closed ?
When they are not yet “ walk -ups “?
I love the increase of Illiluette quota ?
Karina Bezkrovnaia
?Looks like with the exclusion of GP,
Sunrise and HI->LYV permits from "Donohue
eligibility", the compromise was to open the full
daily quota of HI->past LYV to JMT hikers.
I appreciate this probably isn't your permit
preference, but worth noting that the Yosemite Permit
Quota page indicates that they have increased the
HI->LYV daily quota from 30 to 45, and the
HI->Illilouette daily quota from 5 to 30,
presumably to compensate for the reduced permit
availability at other trailheads in 2022 (and
beyond?). Hopefully they will eventually reinstate
some of the "non-Donohue" HI->past LYV quota...
--
Frank
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Re: Yosemite permits on recreation.gov
Hi Karina - that I don’t know. I’d assume the walk-ups will operate like last year? Looks like there are 6 for HI-LYV pass through and 12 for Lyell. Unclaimed or returned permits I’d assume will be the same - frequently check the available permits and if you see one pop up then apply directly for that date and hope you get it? TBH I’m not sure how or if the recreation dot com booking system will be linked to the Yosemite full trailheads report?
Inga is probably the best source of information on the nuances of the permit system this year…
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On 10 Jan 2022, at 11:09 am, Karina Bezkrovnaia via groups.io <kbezkrovnaia@...> wrote:
? Lange, so how is the left overs from Lottery permits working out now ? Are we suppose to apply for them directly ones the lottery eligible week is closed ? When they are not yet “ walk -ups “? I love the increase of Illiluette quota ? Karina Bezkrovnaia On Jan 9, 2022, at 15:59, Lange Jorstad via groups.io <langejorstad@...> wrote:
?Looks like with the exclusion of GP, Sunrise and HI->LYV permits from "Donohue eligibility", the compromise was to open the full daily quota of HI->past LYV to JMT hikers.
I appreciate this probably isn't your permit preference, but worth noting that the Yosemite Permit Quota page indicates that they have increased the HI->LYV daily quota from 30 to 45, and the HI->Illilouette daily quota from 5 to 30, presumably to compensate for the reduced permit availability at other trailheads in 2022 (and beyond?). Hopefully they will eventually reinstate some of the "non-Donohue" HI->past LYV quota...
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6 months in advance. For instance, apply for Aug 15 on Feb 15 at 7 am PST
On Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:10:35 AM PST, Brian Giambattista <briangiambattista@...> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:36 AM Ger Murphy via <germurphymail= [email protected]> wrote: When do Inyo permits get released please?
Thanks, Geraldine.
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When do Inyo permits get released please?
Thanks, Geraldine.
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Lange Jorstad
Rick A.
WildVagabond
Karina Bezkrovnaia
Ger Murphy