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Re: Lignan Rich ?

mike martin
 

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NYH and David :
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Persons of the Board, you had better all make sure that you understand that there is no standardized method for adding Lignans to Flax Oil. The lignans are found in the fiberous portions of the seed. Unlike Omega 3, its not an issolated compound that can be put back into the oil. Its the actual plant material. The amount of lignans, added to flax oil would me extremely small, because its the found in the "meat" of the seed. When you see that clumpy stuff on the bottom of the bottle, those are your lignans - and what you see is what you get. During the pressing operation, Omega 3's become concentrated due to the shear volumn of seeds necessary to create the oil. Lignans do not become concentrated during the pressing operation. So there is no reason to pay for something that your not really getting. That is one of the problems with the industry, all these claims and no standards for ensuring what your getting.
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But the Good News is - you really don't need em. Lignans are beneficial in the protection against heart desease. Since the focus of the Dr. Budwig program is on cancer, you will be getting all the Omega 3's plus ALA's which are proven to be beneficial. ALA or Alpha Linolenic Acid has be proven to retard blot clot formations thus reducing the risk of heart attach. SDG's present in Lignans are benefical in cancer as well as heart desease, but when Dr. Budwig formulated her program there was no such thing as Lignan rich flax oil. Flax Oil (without lignans) has been proven to make arteries more elastic and pliable.
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Respectfully
Mike Martin


Re: Otto

Joel Agee
 

There were some German words in Otto's report.? Here's a translation:

Ananas = pineapple
Gemüse = vegetables
Buchweizen = buckwheat
Haferflocken = rolled (or flaked) oats
Lebertran = cod liver oil

Joel
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Cliff Beckwith wrote:

Hi,

This is a message from Otto Tutzauer.? I became acquainted with him through
a daughter whom I used to help with bees when she was in this area.

Otto is German,


Re: Book Sale?????

 

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David says: "ps. I buy my flax oil from Omega Nutrition and at a lower cost."
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Hi David,
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I get my flaxseed oil from several places including Omega.? The only problem I find with Omega is that I can't get the cheaper "cancer" price with the high lignan oil, only the plain variety, so I alternate sources for my oil.? Usually buy a case at a time from Omega, smaller quantities elsewhere.
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Do you stay with the plain oil?
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NHY

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Book Sale?????

Hi Mike,
Sure you are not trying to sell your wife's book here. You say you are
not trying to be negative but looks to me that is what you are doing.
I do not buy my flax oil from Barleans but do have their order form. I
think they are the one that had Dr. Budwig's two books translated into
English and they do sell them. The Flax oil as a True Aid... list for
the grand sum of $1.95. If they went to the expense of getting the books
published and translated why would they be nuts enough to mention the
competition.
I think most of the people on this list have cancer or health problems
and some of us have had cancer and used the flax oil longer than others
with at least some good results.
After 18 months on Gerson therapy I started cheating on the diet too
much. While on Gerson the psa was under control and dropping but my self
discipline went to hell and I started doing everything you are not
supposed to do to be successful on Gerson. Gerson started you off among
many other things with 2 tbl of flax oil and one cup of cc or yogurt a
day and very shortly dropped the oil down to 1 tbl per day.
When I quit Gerson I realized real quick I needed somethng to bring the
psa back down or slow it down so went up to between 4 to 8 tbl a day and
it did bring the psa back down. Can't expect flax to do it all by itself
though.
I am more than satisfied with what flax oil can do and I don't want to
wait for the "scientific study", that will probably never be tried with
the cc or yogurt.
I did not avail myself of conventional therapy of any kind except for
the original biopsy and get a blood test every month. Over 5 1/2 yr now.
Do I believe everything Budwig says. Nope. I do know that flax oil helps
people with health problems from a little to a lot.
Thats the longest email in a year so guess that will last me another
year.
Dave Reese
ps. I buy my flax oil from Omega Nutrition and at a lower cost. They are
slower in getting the shipment to you than Barleans but after dealing
with them for 5 1/2 years I can live with that.?????????

> mike martin wrote:
>
> Cliff :
>
>
>?? Wasn't trying to be negative, just something about those things was
> bothering me. You know how I feel regarding the things Dr. Budwig and
> other like yourself are finding. It just seems weird to me that
> Barleans doesnt even have her book listed there. And I certainly never
> saw any kind of commercial endorsements of products in any of the
> scientific material I read. What about Spectrum? they make a good
> oil.....why where they not mentioned. In Janes book we mention
> individuals who make products but we listed all the individuals making
> products equally not just one, exclussively. I wonder how many people
> would believe my wifes book, if at the end she said something like
> Dietitian Jane recomends Natural Ovens for flax products along with an
> 800 order line and failed to mention the other 14 places they could
> get quality flax products. Dr. Budwig should not have engaged in that
> kind of practic - it cheapens her message. If I where reading her work
> for the first time and didnt have benefit to other information we
> discussed, there is no way I could take her seriously.
>
> I just felt compelled to mention them, thats all.
>
> Respectfully
> Mike Martin
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Otto

Cliff Beckwith
 

Hi,

This is a message from Otto Tutzauer. I became acquainted with him through
a daughter whom I used to help with bees when she was in this area.

Otto is German, and currently is a widower who spends part time in Germany
and part time here with his daughter.

A year ago last November he was to return to Germany and his daughter
persuaded him to get a physical and he had PCa. He contacted Dr. Budwig
upon returning to Germany and this was his message to me.

I heard a couple of months ago from his daughter that Otto is doing very
well. There is no other treatment.

Cliff


Hi,



Dear Cliff,

Thank you again for the address of Dr. Budwig.
I met her on Wed.25.

I apologize for not reporting immediately, but in the meantime
I had to spend several days in Pologne, and Dr. Budwig gave me
more than 500 pages of literature to study ...

I also wanted this letter for my own reference, therefore it
may become quite longish without being too technical, I hope.
I will also fax a copy to Yvonne.

This is version 0.1 - I will update from time to time.

Dr. Budwig looks quite younger than 92 (!), seems physically
fit, she is alert and quite sharp. She lives in Freudenstadt,
in the middle of the Southern Black Forest - one of the most
beautiful areas in Germany.
Her scientific findings have been systematically suppressed
by industry, medecine and politics.

Her scientific findings:

All cells need oxygen for living. The oxygen transport agents
in the body, Dr. Budwig discovered, are lipoproteins. These
are water-soluble compounds produced by the organism, using
unsaturated oils and protein. The protein protects the
electrons in the unsaturated fat. Venous blood receives these
lipoproteins from the lymphatic system before it enters the
heart, is pumped to the lungs to receive oxygen, then through
the arteries in our body to feed the cells.

- Respiration requires electrons to recover the food energy.
- Cell membranes are controlled by surface-active lipoids.
- The immune system is governed by bioelectric energies stored
in energy depots.
- The nature constant (PLANCKH) is the basis of all natural
processes in living matter
- Electrodynamic processes are decisive for nerve functions

Of course this mechanism is quite more complicated, I still
do not understand the most important aspects of bio-electric,
magnetic and resonance phenomena and the interaction with the
sun as I do not yet have the basic knowledge of physics and
chemistry to graps these concepts.

The oil/protein ratio in our food is therefore important.
Unsaturated oil + protein is an essential food, not a medecine.

If our cells do not receive enough oxygen and building
substances, they start degenerating. Our normal "civilized"
food contains many saturated fats with hardening or antioxydant
treatment (for longer conservation). They cannot accept oxygen,
and are bio-electrically inert, even poisonous. They block the
circulation, hinder cell life.
In addition we eat too much denatured sugar and proteins (and
many other poisons), which prevent normal oxygen circulation,
we take medications - sleeping pills, narcotics, etc. - we are
killing ourselves, or the food/tobacco/pharma/etc. industries
(and the medical world) are killing us.
The consequences are lack of energy, heart insufficiency,
infarctus, muscle degeneration, diabetes, atheriosclerosis,
pneumonia, anaemia, dermatoses, cancer, etc.

About cancer treatment
- Operation increases the frequency of metastases
- Growth-inhibiting irradiations or chemicals do not help, as
there is no excessive growth, but degeneration; they only
weaken the organism even more
- Statistically here is a clear correlation between the density
of doctor population and cancer mortality (Dr. MITTMANN)


The Budwig Treatment (for me):

Massage (twice a day):
To clear the lymphatic system, massage the entire body,
especially the spine, with El-Di (electron-differentiating)
oil, then shower hot for 5 min, soap slightly, and shower
cold for 5 min. Return to bed for 15-60 min.

Eating
(start of treatment, for 4 weeks, recipes and explanations
see below, variations are allowed):

Start with 2-3 days initialization on flaked oats and
250 g Linomel with juice (Fermentgold)

Breakfast
7:00 - 1 glass sauerkraut juice
8:00 - Linomel Msli, green tea

Morning
10:00 - Fresh pressed carrot juice

Lunch
- Salad with Quark/3 spoons FSO mayonaise
- Fresh vegetables (no cabbage) in water, boiled potatoes, etc.
with Oleolux/herbs or FSO mayonaise
- Buchweizen (x)
- Quark/FSO with honey

Afternoon
15:00 - 1 spoon Linomel in ananas juice
15:30 - 3 spoons Linomel in 3 glasses Fermentgold

Evening
20:00 - Buckwheat porridge in vegetable stock, with
Disan, 1 spoon flaked oats
20:30 - 1 glass red wine

Other rules:
Never keep food for the next meal - food must be
prepared fresh
At least 3x per day drink a warm liquid, such as green
tea, herbal tea, sweetened with honey
Write a food diary for next consultation in 4 weeks
No television, cosmetics, smoking
Avoid frozen food, synthetic clothing, stress and anxiety

What I added:
3x fitness training (endurance) + short solarium
1-2 hr bike rides on beautiful days
Tennis if I find a partner



Explanations:
FSO
Flax seed oil (Leinl), a triple unsaturated,
electrically active fat

Quark
Solid component of non-pasteurized milk after it soured
(separated from the liquid whey)
This is probably not the same as cottage cheese

Quark/FSO mix
100 g Quark, 40 g FSO, 25 g milk (the ratio is very
important) - mix thoroughly.
Start with honey, FSO and milk, add Quark gradually
to obtain a smooth cream, highten with honey, cardamom,
anise, thyme, vamilla, lemon, ananas, dates, etc., or
dill, parsly, majoram, onions, garlic, etc.

FSO mayonaise
3 tablespoons raw milk, 3 tablespoons FSO
100 g Quark
Mix, add sour cucumber, dill, mustard, paprika, lemon

Oleolux

Sauerkraut juice

Linomel
Flax seed, broken between honey-coated cylinders to
cover with honey to prevent oxidation

Buckwheat
??

Linomel Msli
1 teaspoon honey
3 tablespoons raw mik
3 tablespoons FSO
100 g Quark
2 tablespoons Linomel
Fruit, juice, nuts
Put Linomel in a jar, cover with fruit, put
Quark/FSO on top
Vary every day, experiment

Carrot juice
Contains carotine, provitamin A (no pills)

Fermentgold
Apple juice and Papaya
Disan
Cool 125 ccm FSO in fridge (use Pyrex)
Heat 250 g cocos fat with 100 g onion cut
into 4 parts, add 10 garlic cloves (or 50 g walnuts
or 50 g coarse Haferflocken or 50 g whole Buchweizen)
until slight browning.
Pour this fat through a sieve into the cooled FSO,
stir and put into fridge. Keep in fridge.
Use with whole bread, potatoes, etc. - don't heat.




Good food:
Protein:
Milk, Buttermilk, yeast (vitamin B)
Cheese (Brie, Camembert)

Fat:
Nuts 160

Carbohydrates:
Natural sugars, such as dates, figs, pears, apples,
grapes, etc.
Untreated rice
Whole bread

Fruit
Bananas, Ananas
All types of Gemse, raw



Prohibited food:
Protein:
White bread
Cakes (sugar/fat combinations)
Meat (treated, hormones, antbiotics, etc)

Fat:
all "normal" fats, margarine, fish oils, mayonaise,
sausage, meat, Lebertran (is treated today)

Carbohydrates:
Sugar, cane sugar
Pasta


I will follow this treatment very seriously, and
report about the results from time to time

Otto







Dear Cliff,

Thank you again for the address of Dr. Budwig.
I met her on Wed.25.

I apologize for not reporting immediately, but in the meantime
I had to spend several days in Pologne, and Dr. Budwig gave me
more than 500 pages of literature to study ...

I also wanted this letter for my own reference, therefore it
may become quite longish without being too technical, I hope.
I will also fax a copy to Yvonne.

This is version 0.1 - I will update from time to time.

Dr. Budwig looks quite younger than 92 (!), seems physically
fit, she is alert and quite sharp. She lives in Freudenstadt,
in the middle of the Southern Black Forest - one of the most
beautiful areas in Germany.
Her scientific findings have been systematically suppressed
by industry, medecine and politics.

Her scientific findings:

All cells need oxygen for living. The oxygen transport agents
in the body, Dr. Budwig discovered, are lipoproteins. These
are water-soluble compounds produced by the organism, using
unsaturated oils and protein. The protein protects the
electrons in the unsaturated fat. Venous blood receives these
lipoproteins from the lymphatic system before it enters the
heart, is pumped to the lungs to receive oxygen, then through
the arteries in our body to feed the cells.

- Respiration requires electrons to recover the food energy.
- Cell membranes are controlled by surface-active lipoids.
- The immune system is governed by bioelectric energies stored
in energy depots.
- The nature constant (PLANCKH) is the basis of all natural
processes in living matter
- Electrodynamic processes are decisive for nerve functions

Of course this mechanism is quite more complicated, I still
do not understand the most important aspects of bio-electric,
magnetic and resonance phenomena and the interaction with the
sun as I do not yet have the basic knowledge of physics and
chemistry to graps these concepts.

The oil/protein ratio in our food is therefore important.
Unsaturated oil + protein is an essential food, not a medecine.

If our cells do not receive enough oxygen and building
substances, they start degenerating. Our normal "civilized"
food contains many saturated fats with hardening or antioxydant
treatment (for longer conservation). They cannot accept oxygen,
and are bio-electrically inert, even poisonous. They block the
circulation, hinder cell life.
In addition we eat too much denatured sugar and proteins (and
many other poisons), which prevent normal oxygen circulation,
we take medications - sleeping pills, narcotics, etc. - we are
killing ourselves, or the food/tobacco/pharma/etc. industries
(and the medical world) are killing us.
The consequences are lack of energy, heart insufficiency,
infarctus, muscle degeneration, diabetes, atheriosclerosis,
pneumonia, anaemia, dermatoses, cancer, etc.

About cancer treatment
- Operation increases the frequency of metastases
- Growth-inhibiting irradiations or chemicals do not help, as
there is no excessive growth, but degeneration; they only
weaken the organism even more
- Statistically here is a clear correlation between the density
of doctor population and cancer mortality (Dr. MITTMANN)


The Budwig Treatment (for me):

Massage (twice a day):
To clear the lymphatic system, massage the entire body,
especially the spine, with El-Di (electron-differentiating)
oil, then shower hot for 5 min, soap slightly, and shower
cold for 5 min. Return to bed for 15-60 min.

Eating
(start of treatment, for 4 weeks, recipes and explanations
see below, variations are allowed):

Start with 2-3 days initialization on flaked oats and
250 g Linomel with juice (Fermentgold)

Breakfast
7:00 - 1 glass sauerkraut juice
8:00 - Linomel Msli, green tea

Morning
10:00 - Fresh pressed carrot juice

Lunch
- Salad with Quark/3 spoons FSO mayonaise
- Fresh vegetables (no cabbage) in water, boiled potatoes, etc.
with Oleolux/herbs or FSO mayonaise
- Buchweizen (x)
- Quark/FSO with honey

Afternoon
15:00 - 1 spoon Linomel in ananas juice
15:30 - 3 spoons Linomel in 3 glasses Fermentgold

Evening
20:00 - Buckwheat porridge in vegetable stock, with
Disan, 1 spoon flaked oats
20:30 - 1 glass red wine

Other rules:
Never keep food for the next meal - food must be
prepared fresh
At least 3x per day drink a warm liquid, such as green
tea, herbal tea, sweetened with honey
Write a food diary for next consultation in 4 weeks
No television, cosmetics, smoking
Avoid frozen food, synthetic clothing, stress and anxiety

What I added:
3x fitness training (endurance) + short solarium
1-2 hr bike rides on beautiful days
Tennis if I find a partner



Explanations:
FSO
Flax seed oil (Leinl), a triple unsaturated,
electrically active fat

Quark
Solid component of non-pasteurized milk after it soured
(separated from the liquid whey)
This is probably not the same as cottage cheese

Quark/FSO mix
100 g Quark, 40 g FSO, 25 g milk (the ratio is very
important) - mix thoroughly.
Start with honey, FSO and milk, add Quark gradually
to obtain a smooth cream, highten with honey, cardamom,
anise, thyme, vamilla, lemon, ananas, dates, etc., or
dill, parsly, majoram, onions, garlic, etc.

FSO mayonaise
3 tablespoons raw milk, 3 tablespoons FSO
100 g Quark
Mix, add sour cucumber, dill, mustard, paprika, lemon

Oleolux

Sauerkraut juice

Linomel
Flax seed, broken between honey-coated cylinders to
cover with honey to prevent oxidation

Buckwheat
??

Linomel Msli
1 teaspoon honey
3 tablespoons raw mik
3 tablespoons FSO
100 g Quark
2 tablespoons Linomel
Fruit, juice, nuts
Put Linomel in a jar, cover with fruit, put
Quark/FSO on top
Vary every day, experiment

Carrot juice
Contains carotine, provitamin A (no pills)

Fermentgold
Apple juice and Papaya
Disan
Cool 125 ccm FSO in fridge (use Pyrex)
Heat 250 g cocos fat with 100 g onion cut
into 4 parts, add 10 garlic cloves (or 50 g walnuts
or 50 g coarse Haferflocken or 50 g whole Buchweizen)
until slight browning.
Pour this fat through a sieve into the cooled FSO,
stir and put into fridge. Keep in fridge.
Use with whole bread, potatoes, etc. - don't heat.




Good food:
Protein:
Milk, Buttermilk, yeast (vitamin B)
Cheese (Brie, Camembert)

Fat:
Nuts 160

Carbohydrates:
Natural sugars, such as dates, figs, pears, apples,
grapes, etc.
Untreated rice
Whole bread

Fruit
Bananas, Ananas
All types of Gemse, raw



Prohibited food:
Protein:
White bread
Cakes (sugar/fat combinations)
Meat (treated, hormones, antbiotics, etc)

Fat:
all "normal" fats, margarine, fish oils, mayonaise,
sausage, meat, Lebertran (is treated today)

Carbohydrates:
Sugar, cane sugar
Pasta


I will follow this treatment very seriously, and
report about the results from time to time

Otto


Re: Flaxseed oil and PCa

 

I think what some of us may be ignoring is the fact that there truly
isn't a magic bullet - other than one's own body. Each of us is
different. Even our PCa's are different. As Cliff has mentioned,
there are over 30 various strains. Some strains and some bodies will
have a remission; in others, it is very possible that the FSO will
spread cancer. Again, each of us and our bodies and our cancers are
different, and there is no magic bullet, no one cure fits all.

So, instead of going on and on with this prattle back and forth on
both lists of does FSO work or not, let's just face the reality and
get in touch with our bodies. Let's not put any scientist or
researcher - not even Dr. Budwig - ahead of our own bodies. Let's
listen to them. If they tell us FSO will work, then use it. If they
are telling us to forget FSO, then find another alternative. There
are hundreds. A particular alternative could have cured thousands,
but if your body and your cancer will not respond to it, why use it?

I think these lists are fine for facts and data. But I'm going to
listen to my body first and ignore opinions. We all need to meditate
and get in touch with the healer within...not the healer on the list.

lotecq
--- In FlaxSeedOil2@y..., Joel Agee <jagee@w...> wrote:
Thank you, Cliff.

When I began searching for non-invasive methods of treating my
recently
diagnosed PCa, I came across a page by Dr. Myers arguing that
flaxseed
oil did not combat PCa and was possibly harmful. He cited a study
that
had been done in Uruguay, where there is a high incidence of PCa and
where people consume large amounts of flaxseed oil. However, there
was
no mention of Dr. Budwig's insistence that the FO has to be
thoroughly
mixed with a sulphur-rich protein like quark or cottage cheese. I
started on the Budwig protocol in early August (interrupted briefly
by
the 8-day cleansing fast recommended by Lary Clapp). Since my PCa
is
microscopically small and at a stage that is
considered "insignificant"
by some oncologists, I didn't feel I needed to take more than 2 tbs
a
day. Recently I had my first PSA reading since July 1, and it is
unchanged at 5.06.

The reason I asked my question here is that every once in a while I
read
posts by people who are convinced that the Budwig protocol is
dangerous
for men with PCa, and I wonder where they get that information. If
anyone here knows of an actual refutation of Dr. Budwig's claims, I
would want to hear about it.

And Cliff, if you do find those refutations of Meyers' claims, I
would
be very interested in those as well.

Thanks for all your help,
Joel

Cliff Beckwith wrote:

This came from Dr. Charles Myers at the University of Virginia.
He
basically put some flax oil and a strain of PCa in a petri dish
and
the PCa
cells flourished.
(snip)


FW: [FlaxSeedOil] message

Henrietta Colwell
 

Cliff, is this what you're talking about? I still had it.
Henrietta

-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Beckwith [mailto:spinner@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 9:00 AM
To: FlaxSEedOil@...
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil] message


Hi,

I want to repost a message that came to me quite a while ago. I know some
of you have this, but I believe it is worth looking at.



Greetings Cliff,

Just a comment about Flax Oil/Cottage cheese use. The notion that "this"
cures or "that" cures or anything else cures is based more in myth and a
difficult point of view to let go of. The cause of action with flax
oil/cottage cheese is to overcome a difficiency of the essential fatty
acids Omega 6 and Omega 3 because they are normally damaged in food
processing and exposure to light. The cottage cheese is just a simple way
to get relatively undamaged sulphur containing amino acids into the body.
The amino acids are Cysteine, Cystine and Methionine and they are the only
amino acids that contain sulphur bonds. Any source of food that contains
ample amounts of them in an undamaged state will do. Cottage cheese is just
a good source for them because the cheese is readly available, can be
purchased in a low fat version and is inexpensive.

Most of the cells membrane is composed of Omega 3 and 6 and so is the
membrane of the nucleus and most of the constituents inside of the nucleus.
Raw Omega 3 and 6 are damaged by exposure to light and oxygen. Light is
about 1000 times more damaging than oxygen to these two essential fatty
acids. It only takes a few minutes to damage the fatty acids from light
exposure if they are not protected by relationships with other naturally
occuring substances. Unlike some other raw oils, flax oil lacks many of
these substances while at the same time being one of the best sources of
the fatty acids. The sulphur from the amino acids is utilized by the
cells for oxygen transport across the cell membrane. So, the body is
utilizing undamaged raw material to repair itself. Cancer grows more
easiely in an oxygen difficient and acid environment. Most people are
acidic because of to much protein and high acid forming substances such as
phosphoric acid in sodas and something as simple as vitamin C in the form
of ascorbic acid for example.

Any "thing" that is ingested does not "cure" nor is it capable of curing.
Only the body is capable of doing the "cure" because it knows what to do
with the raw material. The raw material, be it from flax oil, amino acids,
MGN-3, IP6 or anything else is used by the body to build, repair or
whatever or the body will try to get rid of it. The substance the body uses
doesn't know what to do, only the body does. It would be like believing
that a hammer or screwdriver knows what to do as compared to the person
using them as tools.

Overcoming the belief that "cures" come in a bottle or from a "doctor" or
anyone else gives our power away and leaves us basically helpless in being
the source of our cure. We have most of the power to control what comes
into our body and the quality of what we ingest or the lack of it is most
determinent in how qualitatively our body functions. Our "beliefs" also
play a significant roll in how we experience life. Some people have a
"terrible day", while on the same day others are having a "fantastic day".
The day doesn't care and it is not the day creating our experience of
whether it's a good day or a bad day. We do that. And when it comes to
other experiences, no matter what they are, we are the sole creators of
them. What we experience may be out of our hands, but HOW we experience is
totally in our hands and no one elses. The beliefs we hold about cancer
have as much of an influence as anthing else in what we do about "having"
cancer. Some people lay down and die while others get up and live. Either
way is a self fulfilling prophesy.

Putting "cures" into the hands of others takes us out of the domain of
being in charge...Of being responsible for our power and using it
wisely....Of driving the car, so to speak.

When cancer or a tumor returns when someone quits taking flax oil and
cottege cheese, it's because the body no longer has what it needs to build
good cell membrane's and improved oxygen transport.

The body is made out of food. More accurately put, it is made out of what
we ingest and to the extent we give it substandard raw material from which
to build and repair itself and also put in things that are harmful
(including harmful beliefs)....guess what

J Michael Bentley









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Re: Lignan Rich ?

David Reese
 

Thanks for the info Mike.
However, even though I only use the plain ole flax oil, I also have
heart disease. All that good living when I was young ya know.
David Reese

mike martin wrote:

NYH and David :

Persons of the Board, you had better all make sure that you understand
that there is no standardized method for adding Lignans to Flax Oil.
The lignans are found in the fiberous portions of the seed. Unlike
Omega 3, its not an issolated compound that can be put back into the
oil. Its the actual plant material. The amount of lignans, added to
flax oil would me extremely small, because its the found in the "meat"
of the seed. When you see that clumpy stuff on the bottom of the
bottle, those are your lignans - and what you see is what you get.
During the pressing operation, Omega 3's become concentrated due to
the shear volumn of seeds necessary to create the oil. Lignans do not
become concentrated during the pressing operation. So there is no
reason to pay for something that your not really getting. That is one
of the problems with the industry, all these claims and no standards
for ensuring what your getting.

But the Good News is - you really don't need em. Lignans are
beneficial in the protection against heart desease. Since the focus of
the Dr. Budwig program is on cancer, you will be getting all the Omega
3's plus ALA's which are proven to be beneficial. ALA or Alpha
Linolenic Acid has be proven to retard blot clot formations thus
reducing the risk of heart attach. SDG's present in Lignans are
benefical in cancer as well as heart desease, but when Dr. Budwig
formulated her program there was no such thing as Lignan rich flax
oil. Flax Oil (without lignans) has been proven to make arteries more
elastic and pliable.

Respectfully
Mike Martin

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Re: Adding water

Sandy Lightfoot
 

Dave,
I also add water (and 2 teaspoons flax seeds to the mix) and I'm still here to tell the tale, so obviously, it's not detrimental. ??I add Splenda for sweetening and sometimes 1/3 of a banana. It's delicious!

Regarding all the back and forth arguments about FO/CC, ?and what JB should or shouldn't have done, all this is totally irrelevant when a person has been diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer. ?Time, in such instances is of the essence! ?We don't have the time to look for tests and numbers too support what one should or should not do. On an instinctive level, I feel that FO/CC is working for me. ?I don't need clinical trials or numbers to support that! I reasoned that since the FO/CC is a FOOD ... How could it possibly hurt me? I'm not a Dr or a scientist, so the tests etc to prove or disprove this concoction, doesn't mean anything to me. ?Cliff's (and others) anecdotal evidence and testimonies from hundreds of people is all I need to know that FO/CC is beneficial.

I go the the Cancer Clinic every 3 months (they know I'm doing FO/CC) and they're amazed at how my blood work continues to improve every quarter. As I've told you all many times before, I believe that the combined therapies of Dr Johanna Budwig and Dr Hulda Clark have helped to save my life. ?

Many women who were dx with Ovarian Cancer when I was, are no longer with us, or are fighting several reoccurrences, ?so the FO/CC must be doing SOMETHING!!! ?I also walk every day to absorb the fresh outdoors and sunshine that JB advises. ?I have made all my 'health' decisions based on common sense supported by anecdotal evidence from Cliff, Miz Judy and other caring people on this list (they deserve a medal!) They don't want to make money out of us, they simply want to help us all because they *care* about people and helping them get well.

My JB book is the same as was mentioned (came from Vancouver, B.C.) comprising lectures, which convinced me of the benefits of FO/CC!
My 2-cents-worth for today.
Love, Sandy Lightfoot, B.C. Canada.
____________________________________________________________________________
"Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, earnestly believe in and enthusiastically act on, must inevitably come to happen." (Author Unknown).




Re: Talking to Dr.Budwig

Joel Agee
 

Miz Judy and Mel,

Can you give me Dr. Budwig's address?? You can do so privately, if you think it's not apropriate on the list.

All best,
Joel

Miz Judy & Mel wrote:

?Mel and I would love to go to GERMANY, along with anyone else that is interested in setting up an interview with Doctor BUDWIG, I
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Re: Book Sale?????

David Reese
 

Hi NHY,
Yep, thats what I get. Never did get the high lignan.
Do grind some flax seeds though every now and then to put on the millet,
etc.
Dave Reese


Re: Flaxseed oil and PCa

Joel Agee
 

Thank you, Cliff.

When I began searching for non-invasive methods of treating my recently diagnosed PCa, I came across a page by Dr. Myers arguing that flaxseed oil did not combat PCa and was possibly harmful.?? He cited a study that had been done in Uruguay, where there is a high incidence of PCa and where people consume large amounts of flaxseed oil.? However, there was no mention of Dr. Budwig's insistence that the FO has to be thoroughly mixed with a sulphur-rich protein like quark or cottage cheese.? I started on the Budwig protocol in early August (interrupted briefly by the 8-day cleansing fast recommended by Lary Clapp).? Since my PCa is microscopically small and at a stage that is considered "insignificant" by some oncologists, I didn't feel I needed to take more than 2 tbs a day.? Recently I had my first PSA reading since July 1, and it is unchanged at 5.06.

The reason I asked my question here is that every once in a while I read posts by people who are convinced that the Budwig protocol is dangerous for men with PCa, and I wonder where they get that information.? If anyone here knows of an actual refutation of Dr. Budwig's claims, I would want to hear about it.

And Cliff, if you do find those refutations of Meyers' claims, I would be very interested in those as well.

Thanks for all your help,
Joel

Cliff Beckwith wrote:

This came from Dr. Charles Myers at the University of Virginia.? He
basically put some flax oil and a strain of PCa in a petri dish and the PCa
cells flourished.
(snip)


Re: tumor on mothers back

melanie
 

thanks, I'll try it!

And I would like to tell Rusty WELCOME BACK!!!!!!!!!! I am so glad you are
back with us, Rusty! I was very worried about you for quite some time! Rusty
has been many states away from her family in a hospital, all alone,
awaiting to have new veins put into her heart, (if memory serves me
correctly, and seldom does it) well, it finally happened and then her
husband started having heart troubles while she was away! She has been
living a nightmare these last few weeks, and I am so thankful to have her
back! So glad you are better, Rusty!
Melanie

----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Beckwith <spinner@...>
To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] tumor on mothers back


Hi,

I have no experience here. It couldn't hurt to keep it soaked in flax oil
and see what happens.

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: melanie <webemeat@...>
To: FlaxSeedOil2@... <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Date: Friday, October 26, 2001 10:40 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] tumor on mothers back


I have a question to pose for Cliff or anyone else that may know the
answer.
My mother has a tumor growing on her spine. Don't know what kind of tumor,
but she is in great pain all the time. Does anyone having knowledge of
flax-oil know of this regimin dissolving a tumor that is not cancerous? I
just thought I'd ask. We will know more Monday. She'll be seeing a
specialist in the city.
THANKS for any help you can offer.
Melanie




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Adding water

Dave Cooper
 

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?
Hi all,
?
I have been mixing the flax oil and cc in a blender.? Since the cc is a little
thick, I have been adding a half a cup of water, which lets it mix more easily
and also makes it easier to clean the blender.?? Can anyone think of any
reason that adding water might interfere with the effectiveness of the
flax/cc combination?
?
Thanks,
Dave


Re: Book Sale?????

David Reese
 

Hi Mike,
I do agree with you that I wish she had more documentation.I don't think
she cares too much what the so called experts think. Don't forget, she
didn't go looking for Barlean's. They looked her up.
I also think though in many cases if people wait for scientific
evaluation of a lot of cures they will be long dead before it happens.
David Reese

David Reese wrote:


Hi Mike,
Sure you are not trying to sell your wife's book here. You say you are
not trying to be negative but looks to me that is what you are doing.
I do not buy my flax oil from Barleans but do have their order form. I
think they are the one that had Dr. Budwig's two books translated into
English and they do sell them. The Flax oil as a True Aid... list for
the grand sum of $1.95. If they went to the expense of getting the books
published and translated why would they be nuts enough to mention the
competition.
I think most of the people on this list have cancer or health problems
and some of us have had cancer and used the flax oil longer than others
with at least some good results.
After 18 months on Gerson therapy I started cheating on the diet too
much. While on Gerson the psa was under control and dropping but my self
discipline went to hell and I started doing everything you are not
supposed to do to be successful on Gerson. Gerson started you off among
many other things with 2 tbl of flax oil and one cup of cc or yogurt a
day and very shortly dropped the oil down to 1 tbl per day.
When I quit Gerson I realized real quick I needed somethng to bring the
psa back down or slow it down so went up to between 4 to 8 tbl a day and
it did bring the psa back down. Can't expect flax to do it all by itself
though.
I am more than satisfied with what flax oil can do and I don't want to
wait for the "scientific study", that will probably never be tried with
the cc or yogurt.
I did not avail myself of conventional therapy of any kind except for
the original biopsy and get a blood test every month. Over 5 1/2 yr now.
Do I believe everything Budwig says. Nope. I do know that flax oil helps
people with health problems from a little to a lot.
Thats the longest email in a year so guess that will last me another
year.
Dave Reese
ps. I buy my flax oil from Omega Nutrition and at a lower cost. They are
slower in getting the shipment to you than Barleans but after dealing
with them for 5 1/2 years I can live with that.

mike martin wrote:

Cliff :


Wasn't trying to be negative, just something about those things was
bothering me. You know how I feel regarding the things Dr. Budwig and
other like yourself are finding. It just seems weird to me that
Barleans doesnt even have her book listed there. And I certainly never
saw any kind of commercial endorsements of products in any of the
scientific material I read. What about Spectrum? they make a good
oil.....why where they not mentioned. In Janes book we mention
individuals who make products but we listed all the individuals making
products equally not just one, exclussively. I wonder how many people
would believe my wifes book, if at the end she said something like
Dietitian Jane recomends Natural Ovens for flax products along with an
800 order line and failed to mention the other 14 places they could
get quality flax products. Dr. Budwig should not have engaged in that
kind of practic - it cheapens her message. If I where reading her work
for the first time and didnt have benefit to other information we
discussed, there is no way I could take her seriously.

I just felt compelled to mention them, thats all.

Respectfully
Mike Martin

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Re: Interesting Thoughts

mike martin
 

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Cliff :
?
Thanks that does help. I don't want you or anyone else to get the wrong impression. I think Barleans is probably the number 1 company with regards to flax oil production and would be the only one that we would purchase.
?
Mike


Re: Digest Number 17

Rick Muenzer
 

Hi All

I'm new on this group. I believe in omega 3s will reverse out almost any
disease. If you wish to study this scenario further there are about 7000 web
pages dealing with the EFA balance here is just a couple of well written ones.



This one has a very interesting summary and what looks like the most
valuable test you could get.


I also use cod liver oil and fish oils as well as flax oil.

Rick


tumor on mothers back

melanie
 

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I have a question to pose for Cliff or anyone else that may know the answer. My mother has a tumor growing on her spine. Don't know what kind of tumor, but she is in great pain all the time. Does anyone having knowledge of flax-oil know of this regimin dissolving a tumor that is not cancerous? I just thought I'd ask. We will know more Monday. She'll be seeing a specialist in the city.
THANKS for any help you can offer.
Melanie


Re: tumor on mothers back

Cliff Beckwith
 

Hi,

I have no experience here. It couldn't hurt to keep it soaked in flax oil
and see what happens.

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: melanie <webemeat@...>
To: FlaxSeedOil2@... <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Date: Friday, October 26, 2001 10:40 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] tumor on mothers back


I have a question to pose for Cliff or anyone else that may know the answer.
My mother has a tumor growing on her spine. Don't know what kind of tumor,
but she is in great pain all the time. Does anyone having knowledge of
flax-oil know of this regimin dissolving a tumor that is not cancerous? I
just thought I'd ask. We will know more Monday. She'll be seeing a
specialist in the city.
THANKS for any help you can offer.
Melanie


Re: Interesting Thoughts

Cliff Beckwith
 

Dear Mike,

We are really not far from the same page.

I think I can explain the last concern.

When Bruce Barlean went to Germany and learned from Dr. Budwig and came
back, he set up his situation exactly as Dr. Budwig recommended. This was
Dr. Budwig's approval.

Other mills at that time were not even in the picture. As the use of this
material grew, other mills became interested and began the manufacture also.

I doubt that they ever checked with Dr. Budwig as far as approval or
disapproval is concerned.

In 1993, the Secretary of the Flaxseed growers Association [or something
like that] told my cousin that there were 7000 barrels of Flax Oil sold. In
1994 there were 20,000.

This information came in 1995. I had already been using it 4 years at that
time.

The AMA at that time tried to get it shut off, but by that time it was too
late. The word was getting around.

Arrowhead, Spectrum and other mills began to produce the oil.

Bruce Barlean called me one day a little later and talked about a half hour
and told me about their background.

He mentioned a couple of little things that he thought made theirs just a
little better, but emphasized that all oils from other manufacturers were
very good as long as they were fresh and cold pressed. This industry is
still new.

The main advantage of Barlean's is that they will ship wholesale to anyone
with a life threatening disease. I get my oil for $16.50 a quart delivered
at my door by Air express. As far as I know no other one will do that.
Omegaflo will ship at the price they sell to Gersons to anyone on this list.

We will link any mill that asks to our website soon to be online.

www.beckwithfamily.com

In my case, the majority of men who were diagnosed with what I had almost
eleven years ago are now gone. I am cured as far as the American Cancer
Society's stastistics are concerned, but that is kind of a farce.

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: mike martin <mdmartin57@...>
To: FlaxSeedOil2@... <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Date: Friday, October 26, 2001 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: Interesting Thoughts


Cliff :


Wasn't trying to be negative, just something about those things was
bothering me. You know how I feel regarding the things Dr. Budwig and other
like yourself are finding. It just seems weird to me that Barleans doesnt
even have her book listed there. And I certainly never saw any kind of
commercial endorsements of products in any of the scientific material I
read. What about Spectrum? they make a good oil.....why where they not
mentioned. In Janes book we mention individuals who make products but we
listed all the individuals making products equally not just one,
exclussively. I wonder how many people would believe my wifes book, if at
the end she said something like Dietitian Jane recomends Natural Ovens for
flax products along with an 800 order line and failed to mention the other
14 places they could get quality flax products. Dr. Budwig should not have
engaged in that kind of practic - it cheapens her message. If I where
reading her work for the first time and didnt have benefit to other
information we discussed, there is no way I could take her seriously.

I just felt compelled to mention them, thats all.

Respectfully
Mike Martin


Re: Interesting Thoughts

 

Mike- I got both my Budwig books through Barleans. I thank God for Budwig and Cliff. Wilma