Hi William,
? ? There is an authoritative report from a professional genealogist in the UK regarding the line of William Daniel who married Dorothy Forth but as far as I am aware nothing authoritative has been published regarding the descendants of Thomas Danyers. That William Daniel was from the Over Tabley family, though. That does not mean that there is no authoritative work on this topic, I am just not aware of any such documented research. What is your interest in this line?

I have a copy of the report regarding William Daniel and Dorothy Forth, which concluded that there was no connection to William Daniel of Middlesex County, VA to the Over Tabley Daniels and that none of the children of Willam and Dorothy Forth Daniel immigrated to America. I think the report concluded that that line became extinct with the children of William Daniel, but it has been 20 years since I read the report, so I do not trust my memory on that. I only have a hard copy of that report and it is in storage. I am in the process of moving so will eventually get to that set of file cabinets which are in storage.

The misinformation about a connection between the Over Tabley Daniels and Middlesex, VA Daniels is still widely circulated, so I should publish this report so it is not lost. The report was generated at the request of two wealthy Daniel brothers in Washington, D.C. who hired professional genealogists in the U.S. and U.K. in an attempt to prove the ancestry of William Daniel of Middlesex. Their genealogists failed in the attempt but generated some very good research based on primary records.

Both brothers were elderly at the time I corresponded with them and are now deceased. I received my copy of the report from them. One of the brothers was among the early participants in the Daniel Y DNA Project in 2002-3. The Y DNA of the line of William Daniel of Middlesex, County, VA has long since been proved using primary record research and Y DNA testing.?

A descendant of the Chesire Daniel family is participating in the Daniel Y DNA Project but has had no matches to anyone else in the project. The Y DNA of this line cannot, however, be considered proved since there is only one proved participant from this line in the project. To prove a Y DNA line, direct male descendants from two sons of the suspected ancestor must first be proved using primary records and then tested and match on a Y DNA test.?

Kevin

On Feb 20, 2022, at 12:44 AM, Pam Miller <gen@...> wrote:

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Hi, Kathy and all,

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Some quick stuff on John Daniel>Martin. My comments in [brackets].

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Martin's birth, online trees seem all over the place. The guardianship, probate, and tax records narrow his birth pretty precisely to 1778, very early 1779 at the latest.

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He has several guardians through the years. They are all appointed until he's legally allowed to choose (age 14 for boys, 12 for girls):

LDS film 008196650 item 2 Granvill Ct Minutes 1792-1795

November Court 1793, p. 113:

Martin Daniel comes into Court and being above the age of fourteen years, Chooses John Howard his Guardian, who enters into Bond in the sum of 1000 pounds with Willis Roberts and Robert Downey his Securities.

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LDS film 1906926 Wills and estate papers (Hillsborough District), 1772-1806?

file of John Daniel:

[I'm just putting a couple of the sheets that speak to Martin's age, but this is an absolutely luscious file. I've wallowed in it sooooo many times in SLC.]

-Mar 1789 - by Tho Daniel bond Mackburg [Mecklenburg?], by Howel Lewis bond, by ball due M. Daniel... Granville County, At the request & by the consent of Peter Bennett Guardian of the estate of Martin Daniel who is at present of lawful age We the under written subscribers have examined the above acct & find a ball. due to Martin Daniel of ?52.13.4 as above stated. Thomas Owen J.P., Thomas Vass [so it can't be 1789, Martin comes of age in 1799]? on left side of this sheet is Bennetts acct of ?33.15 for 4 1/2 years services as Gardian (Nov. 1792, so Martin is not of age in 1789)

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-16 Apr 1798 Peter Bennett replies to suit, that Feb last in conversation Hester said he would direct his atty Potter not to proceed, that Bennett has paid ?150-200 as part payment of balance due...

-Apr 1801 [at Hillsborough Superior Ct] Martin Daniel v. Peter Bennett.? Bennett deposes again that Hester agreed not to proceed...that said Daniel after he came of age agreed that this suit should not be proceeded in, that they would settle amounts themselves. that he went 3 times to home of said Daniel in the year 1799 and beginning of 1800 and could not find him at home, and that the said Daniel moved to the state of Virginia in or about May 1800.

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[Also in this file, Martin Daniel is signing for his own receipts around Feb 1799.]

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On the Granville tax lists, there are guardians for Martin Daniel until 1799 when he's listed in his own right as a poll. Then he does the land swap with Samuel Bugg of Mecklenburg and moves there.

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LDS films for these tax years:

1758773 NC Granville Tax Lists 1767-1809 [some years on other films] - 1st book is 1767-1803, early stuff out of order and skips]

1758774 NC Granville Tax Lists 1755-1809

1758774? NC Granville Tax Lists

306819? NC Granville Tax Lists

0018071? Tax Lists for various counties, various yrs, from St. Archives [this had 1769]

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1780 "Lists of Assessments" [amounts, not acreage]

Goshen Distr - not alphabetical

Richard Bennet, Lewis Bennet, then next

Selah Daniel 2190 or 3370 - 13 - 4

skip 1 Peter Bennet

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1782 " "A list of persons and their Taxable property"

Goshen - not alphabetical

Selah Daniel 200 acres, 0 <7 or from 50-60, 1 from 7 to 16 or 40 to 50, 2 from 6 to 40, 5 horse/mule, 25 cattle, total 305

far from Selah is Chesley. [Those are the three slaves, Jack, Hamblin, and Rose.]

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1785 [completely alphabetical, no districts] "Acres, County, Free Poll, Slaves, Wheels, Stud Horses, Price for Season, Stock in Trade"

Robert Hester 200a Granv 1, 3 [not listed here as gdn of Martin Daniel or for est Daniel, but the acreage fits for Celia/Martin's land, the 3 slaves must be Jack, Hamblin and Rose as listed in the estate and guardian accounts for Martin, son of John Daniel.]

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1786 [completely alphabetical, no districts] "Acres, County, Free Poll, Slaves, Whites, Stud horses and their price, Pack of Play Cards, Stock in Trade"

Robert Hester 200a, 1-3

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1787 [alphabetical - I just took acreage]

Robert Hester 200a, 1-3

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1796 (some given in at Nov Ct, some others at Feb 1797, May 1797 courts)

Goshen Distr, alph: Land, Free polls, Slaves, Stud Horses, Town Lotts, [blank column]

next Robert Hester do for Martin Daniel 240a, 0-1-0-0 [acreage up]

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1797 Land, F Polls, Slaves, T Lotts, S. Horses [different from before]

Goshen Distr

Robert Hester Ditto for M. Daniel 200a 0-1-0-0 [acrege normal 200]

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1798 Land, F Polls, Slaves, T Lotts, S Horses

Goshen Distr

Robert Hester Ditto for M. Daniel 200a 0-0-0-0

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1799 Land, Free Poles, Slaves, Town Lots, Studs, Price

Goshen

next Martin Daniel 225a 1-1-0-0 [acreage up]

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1800 Acres of Land, F Polls, Slaves, Town Lotts, S Horses

Goshen

Martin Daniel 240a 1-1-0-0 [acreage up, matches 1796]

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1801 Acres of Land, Free Poles, B. Polls,, Town Lotts, S. Horses

Goshen

Martin Daniel 0a 1-0-0-0

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1802 Land, F. Polls, Slaves, T. Lotts, S. Horses

Goshen

Samuel Briggs 200 0-2-0-0 [There can be little doubt this must be Martin's land to Samuel Bugg, my reading error surely. There are Briggs in Granville, but....]

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1803 Land, Free poles, Slaves Town Lotts, Stud Horses

Goshen

Samuel Bugg [sic] 200a 0-2-0-0

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No more of this Martin in Granville tax lists.

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The Martin Daniel/Samuel Bugg land swap [FYI, I don't capitalize much in deed abstract language, just what the deed capitalizes, saves me time!]

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Mck DB 11-27 Samuel Bugg Jr of Meck to Martin Daniel of Granville [doesn't say NC] 15 Oct 1800, ?300, 150a Meck, beg at Swepson Jeffries Sr land in little Creek at a Corner red Oak and thence along the sd Jeffries line to a Corner tree at the old field and thence along the sd old field on to a Corner pine at the head of the Branch on Skipwith line and thence along the sd Skipwith line to a corner spanish oak on John Buggs line and thence along the sd Buggs line to a Corner Hickory on Taylors Road and thence along the sd Road to where it turns out to a corner black Jack in the sd Buggs line and John Goodes jr line and thence along the sd Goodes line to the sd Road and thence along Samuel Youngs down to the sd Creek to a corner white oak on little Creek and thence up the sd Creek to the beg.? wit Thomas (x) Daniel, John Oliver, John Daniel, Joshua Wall, pr by Thomas Daniel, Joshua Wall, John Daniel. recd 8 Jun 1801

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Granv DB V221 Martin Daniel of Mecklenburg VA to Samuel Bugg Junr of Granville NC, ?300, 200a Granville beginning at a hickory Daniel's thence south 20 poles to a red oak, thence East to John Olivers line, thence along the said Olivers line to a corner on the Creek, thence west along the said Olivers line to a corner oak, thence south to a corner hickory in Daniels line, thence along the said Daniels line to the beginning, wr 19 Nov 1800, pr Aug 1811, wit Chesley Daniel, John Oliver [this doesn't plat well?]

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Mck DB 10-455? ?Martin Daniel Dd Trust to Alexander Boyd Tr et al recd 9 Feb 1801=

Martin Daniel of Meck to Alexander Boyd Junr & Richard Boyd of Meck of second part and Boyd and Bullock of Granville County of the third part.? 22 Nov 1800.? whereas said Martin Daniel is justly indebted unto the sd Boyd & Bullock ?73.11.8 due on demand to bear interest fr 1 Aug last, Martin acknowledges and also what cost may accrue on an attachment levied in Granvill [sic] County State No Carolina against the said Daniel at the Instance of the sd Boyd & Bullock on the 20th Novr 1800 and also for and in the further consideration of the Sum of 50 Cents paid by sd Alexander and Richard Boyd,? sold to sd Alexander Boyd and Richard Boyd, two tracts in Meck, one =150a being the Land sd Martin Daniel Swapt with Saml Bugg, bd by Lands of Swepson, Jeffries, Peyton Skipwith, John Bugg, John Goode Junr, Samuel Young.? the other Tract =150a being the land the sd Daniel has purchased of Thomas Daniel and bounded by the lands of William Daniel, Joshua Wall and Tignal Jones's estate.? to Alexander and Richard Boyd in trust nevertheless if sd Martin Daniel does not pay before 22 Nov 1801, then Boyds may after advertizing 4 weeks in one of the Virginia Gazetts sell sd lands to pay off Boyd and Bullock.? wit Francis Royster, John Royster, Thomas (x) Daniel, William Mitchell, Jeremiah Moore.

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Mck DB 11-65 release deed. whereas by deed 22 Nov 1800 Martin Daniel of the one part, Richard Boyd & Alexander Boyd jr of the second part and Boyd & Bullock of Granville Co NC of the third part.? If aforesd Martin Daniel shall not on or before 22 Nov 1801 pay to sd Boyd and Bullock √72.11.8 w/interest and also certain Costs and Expenses in sd Deed mentioned in deed, then they may advertise and sell land; Martin Daniel has fully discharged sd Debt Interest Cost and Expence, so they release and quit Claim.? wit H. R. Field, Robert Boyd, David Boys, Richard Oliver, recd 11 Jan 1802.

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DB Mck 11-30? Martin Daniel of Meck to Samuel A. Taylor same 14 Oct 1801, $686 and one third to him in hand paid, 144.5a Meck on S sd of Little Creek, being the same on Which the sd Daniel now lives, bd beg at John Buggs corner black Jack in John Goodes line thence N5 W15p to the main Road then the same Course across the Road with Samuel Youngs line 25p to the head of a Branch thence down the Branch as it meanders to little Creek thence up the Creek as it meanders (with Blands and Jeffries lines) 250p when reduced to a Strait line to sd Jeffries corner Spanish Oak on the Bank of sd Ck then with Jeffries line S 12.5 E35p to Jeffries & Skipwiths corner white Oak thence with Skipwiths line S 73 E46p to a Branch then down the Branch as it Meanders to the Junction of another Branch then with the main branch N 12 W10p to John Buggs corner spanish Oak on sd branch then with Buggs line S85 E34p S75 E28p S65 E9p [yes three calls in a row] to a Corner small Hickory on the main Road then down the main Road as it Meanders to wit, N15 E32p N30 E41p to a Corner small Hickory (formerly Buggs corner pine) then S34 E10p and N76[74?] E12p to beg.? wit John Hill, John Goode jr, Edmund Bugg, John Bugg, Achilles Jeffries, pr by John Goode Junr, Edmund Bugg, John Bugg, recd 14 Dec 1801.

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Martin's father John Daniel names his brother William Daniel as executor in his will wr 15 Dec 1778, pr May 1779. [Granv WB1-235]

Then in 1782 Selah Daniel is apptd admrx because William has died:

Granv WB1-338: May Ct 1782:

“It being certified to the Court that William Daniel Executor of the Last Will & Testament of John Daniel deceased is Dead and no other executor appointed to the aforesd Will Therefore Administration with the Will annexed is granted to Selah Daniel wife and relict of the said John Daniel decd which was Order'd to be certified. Teste Reuben Searcy CC”

[WB1 is on LDS film 007653486]

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Pam in CA

On Feb 13, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Pam Miller <gen@...> wrote:

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Hey, Elizabeth, Joe, and all,

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Here's a timeline of info from my records for Thomas Daniel (s/o Josiah) who md. Elizabeth Satterwhite), with some stuff to distinguish between the various contemporary Thomas Daniels in Granville County. Much of this you already have, I know. My comments/questions are in [brackets]. I put XX in front of data that are on trees about Thomas s/o Josiah that I believe are incorrect. The trees at ancestry and familysearch seem to be conflating the records of the various Thomas Daniels of Granville, all distinguishable by the tax, land, court, and probate records.

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1769 - “Josiah's Book” shows Thomas Daniel b. 17 Feb 1769.

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F258 N9 1971a? State Census of NC 1784-1787.? Mrs. Alvaretta Kenan Register

Granville "The number of Inhabitants in County Line district in the year 1786"?

Columns: white male 21/60 - white male <21 or >60 - white fem all ages - Blacks 12/50 - Blacks <12>50

p.1: Josiah "Daniel 1-8-4-6-5,? [Gideon and Abraham Crenshaw on p. 3, Hesters are here]

[Discrepancy: “Josiah's book” shows 9 sons and 3 daus b. by 1786, i.e. one is missing. Son James Key Daniel b. 22 Aug 1766 could be 21, depending on when this list was created. He's not listed under his own name, so I wonder why aren't there 2 polls listed for Josiah.]

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I'm not putting more stuff that shows Josiah with tick marks for sons that clearly include Thomas.

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1790 Census, Granville: (uses the 1788 tax lists). Josiah's tax list entries for 1787 through 1790 do not list his polls or slaves.

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Granville Tax lists, I've done too many films of all the years to parse them out guaranteed here! ;) Here's a pretty sure list for what I've used in this post:

1758773 NC Granville Tax Lists 1767-1809 [some years on other films] - 1st book is 1767-1803, early stuff out of order and skips]

1758774 NC Granville Tax Lists 1755-1809

306819? NC Granville Tax Lists 1755-1935

306820? NC Granville? Tax lists, 1825-1834, 1836-1848

0018071? Tax Lists for various counties, various yrs, from St. Archives [this had 1769, but I think this = LDS 1758774 plus some?]

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Columns labels as shown here [including my own couple of column insertions for various reasons]:

Year, District,?

First, Last [D=Daniel, unless noted differently], Acres or val if no ac, Standardized ac [my insertion for reconciling? with land records/probate], Water, Other descrip, Free polls, Slaves, Other data, [My remarks/i.d.]

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1791 Tax [a diff list, no district given],?

Thomas, D, 0, [0], ---, ---, ---, ---, ---, [no polls in this list, near Chesley]

1791 Tax Goshen

Thomas, D, 0, [0], ---, ---, 1, ---, ---, [separate from others]

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1793 Tax Goshen

~Thomas, D, 0, [0] ---, ---, 1, 0, ---, [next to Leonard and Thomas]

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1793 Jan 29 mg bond, Thomas Daniel & Elisabeth Satterwhite; Robert Elliott, bm; W. Norwood, wit. The bond, #5635, is on Film 306192.?

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1796 Tax Goshen

Thomas, D, 0, [0], ---, ---, 1, 0, ---, [next to Thomas Sr and Chesley]

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1797 Granville Deeds, LDS Film 306131

Q132 Chesley Daniel to Thomas Daniel both Granv 5 Aug 1797, ?75, 120a Grassy on waters of Grassey Creek, beg at a post oak James Satterwhites corner then with his line E 86p to a white oak on the E sd of the branch thence S 222p to a red oak in Persons line thence W 86p to a black Jack Satterwhites corner thence with his line N 222p to beg.? wit Leonard Edwards, Susanna Daniel, Jas Edwards.? recd May ct 1798.?

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1798 Tax Goshen

Thomas, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 1, ---, [bought fr Chesley in 1797]

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1799 Tax Goshen

Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [near Thomas Sr, Martin, Chesley]

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1800 Tax Goshen

Thos Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [near Chesley and Martin]

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1800 Census Granville: p. 509, District not labeled, but he and all census neighbors are in Goshen in the tax lists.

Thomas Junr:?

1m 0-10, [no i.d.]?

1m 26-45, [Thomas age 31]

2f 0-10, [trees only show Sarah b. 1797]

1f 26-45, [Elizabeth Satterwhite, age abt 30 (23 per some, but census entries makes her at least a few years older)]

2 slaves [matches tax list entry].?

***[Two of these first three kids are not accounted for on trees. Only Sarah b. 1797 seems noted, based on the 1850 GA census with Elizabeth. I also don't know why trees show Elizabeth as b. 1777?]

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1801 Tax Goshen

Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [next to Thos Sr, near Chesley and Henry]

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1801 Tax Goshen

Thomas Jun, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [separate from other Daniel names]

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1802 Tax Goshen

Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 3, ---, [near Chesley and James K.]

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1803 Tax Goshen

Thomas, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [near George]

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Granville Deeds: LDS Film 306132

R-87 sale of slaves, 29 Jan 1803, James K. Daniel of Granville to Josiah Brown of Person and Thomas Daniel of Granville, in Joint Company, ?85, 3 Negroes in possession of Abraham Brown and Isaiah Richardson of Chatham co, woman Chloe about 43, boy Gabriel about 7, boy Joe about 4. wits: M. Satterwhite, Smith Satterwhite. recd Feb 1803 court. [This isn't guaranteed to be Thomas s/o Josiah, but the involved names make it pretty likely.]

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1804 Tax Goshen

Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 2, 2, ---, [next to all]

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1805 Tax Goshen

Thomas, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 3, ---, [next to Thomas]

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1806 Tax Goshen

Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [near Chesley]

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1807 Tax Goshen

Thomas, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [next to all]

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February 1807

Jurors to Superior Court appointed: David Brogdon, John Spears, James King, Israel Bailey, Garland Allen, Hubbard Cozart, James Wortham, Richard Inge, John Sims, John Smith, Rowland Gooch, Benjamin Hester, Dennis Obrient, Sr., Thos. Daniel, Jr., Bryant Cavender, John Pulliam, Sr., Obediah Farrow, William Gooch (Nap Of Reeds), Thos. Voss, Jr., John Hobgood, Woodson Daniel, John Oliver, John R. Eaton, George Gresham, John L. May, George Briggs Fleming, Thomas Leaman, Philip White And Howell Frazier.

[Source: _Court Minutes of Granville County North Carolina 1746-1820 by Zae Hargett Gwynn 1977.]

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1808 Tax Goshen

Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, ---, 1, 2, ---, [next to Chesley. See next, Woodson and Bev sell this 120a in 1808, but not recd until 1812.]

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Granville Deeds: LDS Film 306134

V321 Woodson & Beverly Daniel to Stephen Landford all Granv 14 Dec 1808, ?110, 120a Granv on waters of Grassey Ck, bd James Satterwhites corner and line, Persons line, Satterwhites corner.? sig Woodson & B. Daniel.? wit Stephen Satterwhite, Gideon Crews Junr, J/Tu-l/by Ryestind?, ackn by Woodson Daniel, recd Feb 1812.?

[This is the 120a Chesley sold to Thomas. There's no notice of POA nor of admin/exec right to sell. But Woodson and Beverly Daniel were some serious power players in Granville. I'm thinking they could get away with it?]

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1809 Tax Goshen

Thomas, D, 120, ---, 1, 2, ---

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1810 Census Granville: p.883, two Thomas Daniel entries.

Thomas Jr.??

1m 0-10, [trees give three boys, b. 1801 John, 1805 David, 1808 Thomas Jefferson]

1m 10-16, [b. 1794-1800, not accounted for in trees?]

1m 26-45, Thomas Daniel b. age 41

2f 0-10, [trees say Parthenia and Martha]

1f 10-16, [Sarah age 13. Other early girl not here.]

1f 26-45, [Elizabeth Satterwhite age abt 40]

3 slaves.

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Thomas Sr. has 1m 16-26, 1m 26-45, 1m 45+, 2f 16-26, 1f 45+, 7 slaves.

This Thomas Sr. is the one who bought 200a from Joel Pope in Feb 1787 (Granv DB O491) and 249a from Pope in Dec 1787 (Caswell DB E230. The land was in Caswell and Granville). He is in the tax lists on Aaron's Creek for 449a and then later it is called 452a (including in the 1809 and 1811 lists). This is the Thomas who d. 1831, wf Mary d. 1838. Their kids include: Merriman, Jane md. Sterling Harris, Susannah md. Randall Wilkerson, Lilly md. A. G. Moore, William. This Thomas Sr. did live in the Country Line District where Josiah was, but he's on Aaron's Creek, while Josiah is on Grassey Creek/Hay Meadow Branch and Thomas' land purchased from Chesley is on Grassey aroound Blues Mountain. There's no interaction in the records I've found between this Thomas Sr. and the Middlesex Daniels. Thomas Sr. and his kids' records are also found in Caswell and Person counties.

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1811 Tax Goshen

Thomas Junr, D, 120, ---, 1, 0, ---, [separate]

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1811? - will of father Josiah – Thomas named in the group of older kids who have already received their shares. [Was his “share” probably the means to buy the 120a from Chesley? Thomas had already moved to Chesley's neighborhood before age 21, interesting to me.]

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1812 - The recording of the sale of the 120a, as shown above.

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A War of 1812 Pension Application is attached to Thomas s/o Josiah in a gazillion trees. It's a different Thomas. The application file is free at fold3, clarifying facts abound in it. I think this was the Thomas Daniel of the east county, on Nutbush, md. Elizabeth/Eliza Daniel, she the d/o Joseph and Nelly Daniel. A John Daniel Sr., of Warren County bought 145a on Nutbush in 1816. Thomas Daniel pops out in the tax lists 1816-1823 (at a much better age for service). He is taxed on 145a in Henderson on Nutbush/Crooked Run in 1818-1819.

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1814 Goshen

Thomas Junr, D, 0, [0], ---, 1, 0, ---, [Woodson and Bev had sold this in 1808, recd 1812]

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I haven't found further records in Granville land, court, probate, etc. for Thomas s/o Josiah and Elizabeth..

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Trees put the 1820 Granville Census Thomas Daniel as belonging to Thomas s/o Josiah and Elizabeth. But this? Thomas is listed next to Nelly Daniel (his mother-in-law, described above in War of 1812 app) and they are in the Henderson District in both the tax lists and the Census.

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So, anyone have ideas on where Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Satterwhite are in 1820-1830? I've had a possible theory for ages, never ground down hard on it. It doesn't fit perfectly, but it's the closest I've found, and Pulaski is “on the way west” to Harris County. Interested in any ideas.

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1820 Census GA Pulaski.?

Thomas Daniel: [The lack of a couple more boys 0-10 and 10-16 is a real problem.]

1m 0-10 [?Tandy age 9/10 or the Thomas Jefferson age 11 or the Thomas Cary?]

1m 10-16 [?the David age 14 or the Jefferson Jordan age 12 in trees? I don't think there's a David.]

1m 18-26 [in 16-26 but not 16-18 column, so ?the John in trees age 19?]

1m 45+ [?Thomas age 51]

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2f 10-16 [?Parthenia age 15?]

2f 16-26 [?Sarah age 23? and ?Martha age 16-17 or is she in 10-16 column?]

1f 26-45 [?Elizabeth age 43?]

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The 1830 Census also shows an Elizabeth Daniel in Pulaski, but the ages and children do not match the 1820 family well enough; I just don't think it's Elizabeth Satterwhite Daniel in the 1830 Pulaski census.

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I sure wish somebody would write up a records proof of all the children shown as belonging to Thomas Daniel and Elizabeth Satterwhite. The various trees as they stand just seem to show too many kids!

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Elizabeth, I don't know about your Thomas Cary Daniel specifically, but there's a young Thomas Daniel in GA Harris near the Daniel/Satterwhite families that looks pretty certain as a son, so your Thomas Cary would be a second son named Thomas born within just a couple years of the other. Also problematic because there are so many Daniels in Wake, and Thomas Cary was still there in 1832 for his marriage, more so since it surely looks like the Daniel/Satterwhite family had left Granville by 1820. My Wake County records are too early to help, but I notice that Allen Rogers, the bondsman for Thomas Cary's 1832 marriage, is maybe the son, b. 1797, of Thomas Rogers and Elizabeth Allen, and that your Thomas Cary named a daughter Martha Rogers Daniel. Is there some namesake stuff going on there that maybe ties them more to the Wake Daniels?

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And of course the big question is, are there male descendants for yDNA testing, or tests already? What do they indicate??

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Regards from CA, hoping maybe we can sort this all out!

Pam?

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