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You’ll need to give more info place date of birth death, etc

I am interested in Edward Daniel. Have you had any male descendants Y-DNA tested?
Thanks,
Yvonne

Seeking other researchers who are working to sort out the Daniels families in SW Pennsylvania - Greene, Washington, Fayette Counties.?

John Daniels and wife Experience Moore had the following children:

Rebecca J. b. 1798 or 1804 Cecil, Washington, Pennsylvania m. Bailey, then Thomas Grumley

Nehemiah b. 1801 Westmoreland / Washington, PA

Henry b. 1803 Cecil, Washington, Pennsylvania

John H. b. 22 Aug 1804 Cecil, Washington, Pennsylvania d. 1886 - Springfield Twp, Gallia Ohio

Jesse Frederick b. 1808 Cecil, Washington, Pennsylvania

Clement W. b. 7 July 1811 Cecil, Washington, Pennsylvania d. 1 Mar 1873 Jefferson Ohio

Pierce B. b. 29 Jun 1812 Cecil, Washington, Pennsylvania

William Harrison b. 1815 Cecil, Washington, Pennsylvania d. 1893

Abraham b. 17 Jun 1820 Cecil, Washington, Pennsylvania moved to Jefferson Co OH in 1825.? Married Sarah Myers 28 May 1840.? d. 6 Oct 1898

James b. Feb 1824 Cecil, Washington, Pennsylvania

Thomas b. 1826 Knox, Jefferson, Ohio

Mary b. 1830 d. 1840 Knox, Jefferson, Ohio

Would like to collaborate with anyone working on this family.

Thanks.

Sue S.

Hi William,
The best data on this line that I have seen is a report written by a professional genealogist in the UK who was focused on the William Daniel/Dorothy Forth line. As I recall, she determined that this line became extinct with their children who did not have descendants. The report is a hard copy in my storage room. I am slowly excavating my way to several four drawer file cabinets in that room as I am downsizing. I will publish it, on line, when I find it.

We did have a Cheshire Daniel in the Daniel Y DNA project a decade or so ago, but he never filled out the Ancestor field in his profile so I do not know which kit was his. He has been silent for several years and I lost all of my electronic files from that period to a computer crash. He never had a match to any other Daniel man in the project. He and his family still lived in Cheshire.

Kevin

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Hi Kevin,?

I fear that we may have lost Gini Meeker. Over the last few months, her email and telephone number have become inactive. Her WikiTree profiles have been orphaned since her email address is no longer good. She is my Daniel cousin and we have corresponded fairly regularly over the years. She has been a very active researcher on my and other Daniel lines for several decades. She was born in the 1920s. The last time we talked, she was recovering from an injury/illness, but seemed on the mend and was looking forward to getting back to researching. I hope that I am wrong....

BTW, I have not heard back from the owner of kit #188665...

Kevin

Okay, thanks Kevin! I appreciate your detailed explanation. I am happy to be learning what to look for when comparing Y-DNA test results.

Hi Janine,
????? Of the three kits mentioned from your group, two are 37 marker tests and one (13589) is a 67 marker test. Four marker differences at 37 markers is a significant difference, so we would need to look to see if that difference widens or stays the same at 67 markers and higher.

?????? In this case, in comparing the results between kit #13589 and the kits from the Midldlesex Daniel line who have tested to 67 makers and higher (20707, 172081 and N75969), the difference widens to more than 7 markers which FTDNA does not consider a significant match. FTDNA's result tables do not show the total difference between kit #13589 and these other kits, so it could be much higher than a 7 marker difference. So, based on these results, there is no familial paternal relationship between your line and the Middlesex Daniel line in a genealogically meaningful time frame.

"Three of Joseph Job Daniel’s descendants are listed in a row (kits 133944, 32867, 13589), so it’s easy to see that their haplogroup (I-M253) & all markers are identical. I looked at other tests with the same haplogroup & compared their numbers to Job’s descendants. I found that several kits of descendants of William Daniel of Middlesex have the same haplogroup, & all but four numbers are identical to Joseph Job Daniel’s descendants. The kits are 20230, 20707, 48481, 172081, & N75969. The four numbers that are different are only off by one number. Does this mean anything, or is that number of markers being different mean there is no connection?"

Best,

Kevin

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Looks like danieldna.com works and is secure, but masking does not work. Www.danieldna.com works, too, but is not secure, though masking works. I can make it work , or not work, in a couple of other ways using http or https in the URL... Probably need to tinker with syntax on my hosting site...?

Kevin

Ugh, looks like I broke the first link with trying to mask it, but the second link works. I will keep experimenting with the first link until I figure this out.?

Kevin

I got the secure connection issue figured out so the connection can be securely made by using either of the following URLs:





I have not looked at my hosting provider's web site in a while and found that they have enabled masking without an upgrade which was quite a bit more expensive. That means that when you go to the site in the future, using first URL, you will see instead of the x10 URL, but right now it is not working. It apparently can take a couple of days for that change to take effect. Going forward you can use either of the two? links above, whichever you prefer.? Both are secure.

Let me know if you have any problems.

Kevin

Hi Janine,
??? I sent an email to the owner of kit #188665 to ask them to change their access to allow me to view their results, but have not heard back from them, yet. So far, the email has not come back as undeliverable, so hopefully, it is still good. They have not logged into their page at FTDNA since January of 2015.

?? That being said, I was able to look at the results from kit #4116. They have tested to 111 markers, which is good. They have three 66/67 marker matches, one of which is to another Daniel whose haplogroup is I-M253, but the other two are to men surnamed Pryor and Robertson who are also I-M253. The match to kit #188665 is a 65/67 match. The other matches of kit #4116 to men who have taken 67 or higher marker tests, starts widening but there are significant matches though none are to Daniel men. Match surnames include multiple men named Gordon, Hitchcock and other surnames. At 111 markers, kit #4116 has only two matches, to men named Robertson and Gray.

?? In the absence of any primary record evidence suggesting a familial relationship, this strengthens my conclusion that the shared Daniel(s) surname between kit #188665 and the family of Job Daniel is probably a coincidence. The significant number of closer matches to men with several differing surnames suggests a clan ancestry, probably Scottish or Irish. Still, the relationship between all of these men is fairly recent, probably to an MRCA who lived within the last 8-10 generations. There is no clear indication of what the surname of that MRCA may have been, however, and chances are pretty good that it was not Daniel. It is also possible that there has been some rapid Y DNA marker mutations which might account for the differing haplogroups.

Probably, the only way to sort this out is for several of these men, including several different surnames, to do Big Y testing to discover their Terminal SNP. That would be pretty expensive. Testing to 111 markers, instead, might be helpful and might give a better estimate of when the common ancestor between these men lived. It would be a less expensive alternative.

Here are a couple of links that might be helpful.







Let me know if you have any questions. If I hear back from the owner of kit #188665 and they grant me access to their results, I will send another update


Kevin

Thanks for explaining that, Kevin! I look forward to any further clarification that becomes available on this.?

Sorry for the slow response, Janine. I have been traveling! The biographies are written by a member of the cousin group who sends it to the project for review and posting. My co-admin and I just review the biographies for format and comment on any glaring inconsistencies or errors.

That being said, the owner of kit #188665 has not granted access to his kit to the project administrators, so I cannot take a look at his matches, but I can see that he matches kit #13589 to 66/67 markers by looking at the owner of that kit. The owner of kit #188665 has only taken a 67 marker test, so it cannot be explained by a more refined test, for instance Big Y testing, which would identify the Terminal SNP of the line.?

While the haplogroup for all (?) of the descendants of Job Daniel is I-M253, the haplogroup for kit# 188665 (I-L338) is in the same tree, meaning descended from I-M253, but is a much more recent mutation. The I-M253? mutation occurred about 28,000 years ago. There have been at least a dozen mutations between I-M253 and I-L338.

What immediately stands out to me, looking at the matches of kit#13589, is that he has a number of very close matches to numerous different surnames who are haplogroups I-M253 and I-L338. What I think is going on is that all of these men share a common ancestor who lived around 28,000 years ago but are not all closely related in a genealogically meaningful time frame. It may just be a coincidence that the owner of kit #188665 shares a surname with the the line of Job Daniel.

That is just my first thought from what I see, but I just got home and? have only been looking at these results for about 10 minutes. I need to take care of some things here, first, but I will take a closer look at all of the kits that I can see, tomorrow. I will also send a request to the owner of kit #188665 to grant me a bit more access, so that I can see what his results look like.

Best,

Kevin

Kevin,

I have a question about Y-DNA as I it's still very new to me & I am still learning how to interpret results. Regarding the descendants listed for Joseph Job Daniel on the Participating Lines page, I can see how all of the kits listed match because the haplogroups & numbers under each marker are the same. My question has to do with the last sentence in the bio for Joseph (see below) in which it states that his descendants have a DNA match with the descendants of William Daniel, kit #188665. Can you explain more about this? I looked up this kit, & while the numbers under the markers seem to match Joseph's descendants, the haplogroup is different. Are the haplogroups considered related because they are possibly from the same base haplogroup??

We are trying to research the parents of Joseph Job Daniel. Does the match with the descendants of William Daniel suggest that they could be from the same family, or maybe even father & son, or does it look like a more distant match??

Joseph (Jobe/Job) Daniel, b. abt 1745, soldier in the American Revolution, married?Elizabeth Callaway?1778, d. abt 1814, buried south of Lynchburg Tenn. Known children are:?Abner,?John?md. Avis (4116, 13589, 32867),?Isaac?md. Unknown Faircloth (133944),?William?md. Argent (14965),?Anne?md. William Arthur Sanders,?Callaway?md. Lucinda Cook (Their son Jasper Newton 'Jack' Daniel owned a distillery in? Lynchburg TN),?Reuben?md. Susan Ann Watts (21205) and?Nancy?md. Jeremiah Dean. Descendants of these known children of Jobe Daniel have a DNA match with descendants of (188665) William Daniel, born est 1735, died 1804.