Dick Cooper Time Book - 1940's
1/2/49 Layed in.
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1/3/49 Oneonta yard work, power 1045, yard rate, marked on Oneonta 7:00 AM, marked off Oneonta 3:00 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $11.76 for 100 miles, Naatz engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1969
Thanks for the clarification Gordon..
Ed
On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 08:19:17 AM EDT, Gordon Davids via groups.io <g.davids@...> wrote:
The Rouses Point yard engine was almost always a "steamer." Even in the summer, the sleeping cars on 9 and 10 needed steam heat. The steam generator was usually kept fired up at low heat in the winter to prevent freezing and to have it available on short notice. You have seen a few instances where Dick was called as an emergency engineer to take a unit, usually the RO yard engine, to Montreal to replace a unit crippled at The Glen. The steam generator was the fireman's responsibility whenever the steam generator was fired up and the locomotive was operating. Otherwise the hostler handled that.
-- Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1969
The Rouses Point yard engine was almost always a "steamer." Even in the summer, the sleeping cars on 9 and 10 needed steam heat. The steam generator was usually kept fired up at low heat in the winter to prevent freezing and to have it available on short notice. You have seen a few instances where Dick was called as an emergency engineer to take a unit, usually the RO yard engine, to Montreal to replace a unit crippled at The Glen. The steam generator was the fireman's responsibility whenever the steam generator was fired up and the locomotive was operating. Otherwise the hostler handled that.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Guilford Error
10/8/85 RPPY, power B&M 365-MEC 285-B&M 204-D&H 455, through freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 9:00 PM, 5:10 Premium time, MUed power @ Rouses Point, 32" switching Ft. Edward, train to Mohawk, taxi to Mechanicville, marked off Mechanicville 6:00 AM, on duty 9:00, paid $327.11 for 312 miles, Cooper engineer, no fireman, T. Heller conductor.
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1969
Rick,
Yes, the D&H did put the "Passenger Protection" engines to use at the yards in Whitehall as well as Rouses Point and/or Plattsburg. I suspect the shop forces made sure the steam generator was operable.
Ed
On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 04:51:01 PM EDT, Richard E. Shivik <dnhreshivik@...> wrote:
Did the passenger protect engine also double as the yard engine? ?If so, I assume the fireman was also responsible for monitoring the steam generator to make sure it was ready in case needed.
On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:01?AM, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:
? 5/3/69 Rouses Point yard, power 4012, yard rate, marked on Rouses Point 3:00 PM, switch to 4022, marked off Rouses Point 1:15 AM, on duty 10.15, paid $60.73 for 211 miles, Cooper engineer, K.C. Peterson fireman, E.D. Merchant conductor.
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Ed Cox
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Re: WTB: Oriental Models Standard Version C-628 in HO painted for the D&H
Rick
It has exterior radiator shutter hinges which were only on the D&H's 601-609. The 610-618 had interior shutter hinges.
I already have enough of the earlier units.
Ed
On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 07:44:07 PM EDT, Richard E. Shivik <dnhreshivik@...> wrote:
So, what¡¯s undesirable about that version?
On Sep 4, 2024, at 11:41?AM, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:
? I'm not interested in Oriental's "Low Nose" version?
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Ed Cox
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Re: WTB: Oriental Models Standard Version C-628 in HO painted for the D&H
So, what¡¯s undesirable about that version?
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On Sep 4, 2024, at 11:41?AM, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:
? I'm not interested in Oriental's "Low Nose" version?
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1969
Did the passenger protect engine also double as the yard engine? ?If so, I assume the fireman was also responsible for monitoring the steam generator to make sure it was ready in case needed.
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On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:01?AM, Ed Cox via groups.io <edcox13@...> wrote:
? 5/3/69 Rouses Point yard, power 4012, yard rate, marked on Rouses Point 3:00 PM, switch to 4022, marked off Rouses Point 1:15 AM, on duty 10.15, paid $60.73 for 211 miles, Cooper engineer, K.C. Peterson fireman, E.D. Merchant conductor.
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WTB: Oriental Models Standard Version C-628 in HO painted for the D&H
I'm not interested in Oriental's "Low Nose" version.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1980s
6/22/80 RW6, power CR GP38-2 8237-D&H 7613-7615-7402, through freight rate, marked on Oneonta 5:45 PM, train to Carey Ave., marked off Hudson 6:16 AM, on duty 12:31, paid $136.84 for 162 miles, Cooper engineer, no fireman, Tommy Flynn conductor.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1970s
5/22/71 RW6, power 702-708-707, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 8:00 AM, marked off Oneonta 2:45 PM, on duty 6:45, paid $39.78 for 130 miles, Stan Chapman engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1969
5/3/69 Rouses Point yard, power 4012, yard rate, marked on Rouses Point 3:00 PM, switch to 4022, marked off Rouses Point 1:15 AM, on duty 10.15, paid $60.73 for 211 miles, Cooper engineer, K.C. Peterson fireman, E.D. Merchant conductor.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1962
6/1-3/62 Layed in.
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6/4/62 Rouses Point yard, power 4072, yard rate, marked on Rouses Point 2:30 PM, marked off Rouses Point 11:30 PM, on duty 9:00, paid $30.58 for 138 miles, E.J. Saunders engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
Good catch Gordon. You do have the correct date. I transposed the month and day for that entry.
Sorry all.
Ed
On Saturday, August 31, 2024 at 12:03:25 PM EDT, Gordon Davids via groups.io <g.davids@...> wrote:
That was April 10, 1953. Dick was still on the A&S roster before he was later transferred to the R&S. Mohawk and Colonie were home terminals for both rosters at the time. The Kenwood yard jobs belonged to the A&S and Dick was still on the A&S roster, so he was called from his A&S home terminal to deadhead to Colonie, probably to pick up the yard engine and run to Kenwood for the yard job.
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On June 22, 1953, MONDAY, Dick was relieved at Mohawk and transferred to the R&S X-List at Colonie.
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The dates on Ed's reports had the month and year reversed so 10/4/53 was April 10, 1953.
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-- Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
That was April 10, 1953. Dick was still on the A&S roster before he was later transferred to the R&S. Mohawk and Colonie were home terminals for both rosters at the time. The Kenwood yard jobs belonged to the A&S and Dick was still on the A&S roster, so he was called from his A&S home terminal to deadhead to Colonie, probably to pick up the yard engine and run to Kenwood for the yard job.
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On June 22, 1953, MONDAY, Dick was relieved at Mohawk and transferred to the R&S X-List at Colonie.
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The dates on Ed's reports had the month and year reversed so 10/4/53 was April 10, 1953.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - Rio Grande
10/25/61 Antonito Turn, power GP7 5104, local freight rate, marked on Alamosa 3:15 PM, 10" tying up, marked off Alamosa 9:40 PM, on duty 6:25, paid $20.21 for 102 miles, C.T. Sisemore engineer, Cooper fireman.
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Marked on and off at Alamosa, not Antonito.
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
Thanks for clarifying gentlemen. I really had no idea how it all worked and I was just guessing.
Ed
On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 10:58:18 PM EDT, Al Whalen <1whalen62@...> wrote:
During my time on the D&H under CP (2000-2014) the agreement was usually that you could drive yourself to the job's terminal if you were called?from a different board.? The North end by then had extra boards at Kenwood and Saratoga to begin with.? Jobs that ran out of Ft. Edward, Whitehall or Plattsburg came off the Saratoga?board.? For most of my time the company would pay the agreed time and auto miles or would provide a taxi on request with just the time paid..? Eventually that morphed into mandatory use of the taxi from Saratoga and the Kenwood board was abolished.? The managers thought it was somehow advantageous?to pay a taxi every time vs. 30 auto miles each way at about $0.45 / mile.? Railroad accounting never ceases to amaze me !
-- Ed Cox
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
During my time on the D&H under CP (2000-2014) the agreement was usually that you could drive yourself to the job's terminal if you were called?from a different board.? The North end by then had extra boards at Kenwood and Saratoga to begin with.? Jobs that ran out of Ft. Edward, Whitehall or Plattsburg came off the Saratoga?board.? For most of my time the company would pay the agreed time and auto miles or would provide a taxi on request with just the time paid..? Eventually that morphed into mandatory use of the taxi from Saratoga and the Kenwood board was abolished.? The managers thought it was somehow advantageous?to pay a taxi every time vs. 30 auto miles each way at about $0.45 / mile.? Railroad accounting never ceases to amaze me !
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s
I doubt that Dick had to report to Mohawk to sign in. That was four years before I first worked on a railroad (NYC) but I don't recall any instance where a train crew member had to report to any place other than the beginning of the actual assignment as a rule. Local agreements included standard arbitraries to pay for off-duty travel from a home assignment to the point of entry on duty and return. Those standards were negotiated locally between the Organization (union) and the Carrier. I recall that they stated the miles to be paid, with the rate per mile according to the nature of the assignment. That was my understanding and I would appreciate any more specific information.
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I do know that conductors and engineers had to have the current time table, and sign for daily general and special orders. That could be done at any designated station with a bulletin board posted by a designated employee at that location, such as a yardmaster, agent or crew dispatcher.
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Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s
5/17/61 Transferred to Plattsburg.
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5/17/61 Engine watch, power 4005, RH (?) rate, marked on Plattsburg 11:00 PM, providing steam heat to business cars 300 & 500, marked off Plattsburg 7:00 AM, on duty 8:00, paid $22.63 for 100 miles.
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Ed Cox