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Re: The Lightning Stripe Scheme

 

Good morning Bruce,

As Jeff stated, there was also a period where a side number appeared on the side of the running boards on some lightning striped engines. This was limited to the RS-11s, RS-36s and the SD45s. Starting by 2/68, Gothic numbers started showing up on most of these units. It was about centered on the RS units above the fuel tank and above the front axle of the rear truck on the SD45s. Because of the radiator flaring of the SD45s, the yellow number couldn't be applied there as on the other six axle units.

With the arrival of the C-628s, a yellow number appeared above the radiator. This continued on the U30Cs, U23Bs and U33Cs.

The Railroad Roman number started appearing on the side of all engines, under the "Delaware & Hudson" by 3/71. Eventually, they were changed to the Gothic type.?

The large number on the sides of the lightning striped units was generally a "patch job". This stared by 5/81.

These dates are from pictures I have found from sources published and unpublished. They are as accurate as I am able to discern.

I hope this helps.

Ed


On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 09:07:24 PM EDT, Bruce and Dana Archer <bad@...> wrote:


Hi!
?? While looking at images of Rs-3s and Rs-11/36s I noticed some changes. At first, it appears there were no side numbers. At some point, the side numbers were added. There were two styles, Railroad Roman and Gothic. So when were the side numbers added, and was there a plan to which loco received which lettering? Many, if not all of the 6-axel power received yellow numbers near the radiator exhaust. Did others receive the yellow numbers?

Lastly, when did the D&H start applying the large side numbers?


Bruce

--
Ed Cox


Re: The Lightning Stripe Scheme

 

And don't forget the small blue numbers applied to the sideframes of most, if not all, of the 5000's in the late 1960's.??

Jeff Martin

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From: "Bruce and Dana Archer"
To: "[email protected]"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday May 26 2024 9:07:24PM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] The Lightning Stripe Scheme

Hi!
?? While looking at images of Rs-3s and Rs-11/36s I noticed some changes. At first, it appears there were no side numbers. At some point, the side numbers were added. There were two styles, Railroad Roman and Gothic. So when were the side numbers added, and was there a plan to which loco received which lettering? Many, if not all of the 6-axel power received yellow numbers near the radiator exhaust. Did others receive the yellow numbers?

Lastly, when did the D&H start applying the large side numbers?


Bruce


The Lightning Stripe Scheme

 

Hi!
?? While looking at images of Rs-3s and Rs-11/36s I noticed some changes. At first, it appears there were no side numbers. At some point, the side numbers were added. There were two styles, Railroad Roman and Gothic. So when were the side numbers added, and was there a plan to which loco received which lettering? Many, if not all of the 6-axel power received yellow numbers near the radiator exhaust. Did others receive the yellow numbers?

Lastly, when did the D&H start applying the large side numbers?


Bruce


Dick Cooper Time Book - 1970s

 

5/10/71 RW6, power 704-761-762, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 1:30 AM, marked off Oneonta 6:30 AM, on duty 5:00, paid $39.78 for 130 miles, Stan Chapman engineer, Cooper fireman.


Dick Cooper Time Book - 1969

 

4/18/69 Rouse Point hostler, hostler rate, marked on Rouses Point 4:00 PM, marked off Rouses Point 11:59 PM, on duty 7:59, paid $28.55 for 100 miles.


Dick Cooper Time Book - 1962

 

5/13/62 WR7, power 4123-4127-4092, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 4:00 PM, marked off Rouses Point 10:20 PM, on duty 6:20, paid $23.83 for 115 miles, J.E. Graziano engineer, Cooper fireman.


Dick Cooper Time Book - Rio Grande

 

10/12/61 Chama hostler, hostler rate, marked on Chama 8:00 AM, marked off Chama 4:00 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $22.64 for 100 miles, Cooper hostler, with H.D. Gibbs.


WTB: Oriental HO C-628 standard version D&H paint.

 

Not interested in the "Low Nose" version.


Dick Cooper Time Book - 1960s

 

3/20-25/61 Layed in.

3/26/61 Plattsburg yard, power 4040, yard-local freight rate, marked on Plattsburg 7:00 AM, change to 4078, marked off Plattsburg 3:00 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $22.56 for 100 miles, H.W. Baker engineer, Cooper fireman.


Dick Cooper Time Book - with E.B. King

 

12/28/62 Plattsburg yard, power 4112, yard-local freight rate, marked on Plattsburg 11:30 PM, marked off Plattsburg 7:30 AM, on duty 8:00, paid $22.56 for 100 miles, E.B. King engineer, Cooper fireman.


Dick Cooper Time Book - 1950s

 

3/20/53 Layed in.

3/21/53 Mohawk yard, power 3012, yard rate, marked on Mohawk 2:30 PM, marked off Mohawk 10:30 PM, on duty 8:00, paid $14.79 for 100 miles, G. Austin engineer, Cooper fireman.


Dick Cooper Time Book - NYC St. Lawrence Division

 

9/29/48 DWx, power Alco class L-2d 4-8-2 2963, local freight rate, marked on Watertown 10:15 AM, marked off DeWitt 9:15 PM, on duty 11:00, paid $17.59 for 156 miles, D. Ward engineer, Cooper fireman.


Re: Paint schemes worn by RS-3s

 

Bruce,

Dad first had the U33Bs 9/24/84 and the last date was 11/22/85.

Hope this helps.

Ed


Re: Paint schemes worn by RS-3s

 

Hi Ed!
???? I had forgotten about the G&J. So I will need to do the G&J and Vermont patch .....as these are the only 2 I lack so far.
????? Plus I just learned about the short-lived ex-Conrail U33Bs. Found Images on the RR Picture Archive, and rr-fallenflags.org. These were acquired during the dark years of Guilford. DOes anyone know when they appeared and when they left?

Bruce

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From: "Ed Cox via groups.io"
To: "[email protected]"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday May 19 2024 6:10:49AM
Subject: Re: [DandH-Railroad] Paint schemes worn by RS-3s

"All black" came in a few configuration (in order of appearance).

Literally all black.
All black with yellow handrails.
All black with wide chevrons.
All black with wide chevrons and "RADIO" on the cab
All black with yellow handrails, no chevrons but "RADIO" on the cab.

The 4116 also became the Greenwich & Johnsonville in a orange and black scheme.

Hope this helps.

Ed

On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 06:05:09 PM EDT, Bruce and Dana Archer <bad@...> wrote:


Hi!
?? Or family is moving so I had to pack away my N-Scale locos and cars. When packing up my D&H RS-3s I found I had them in the following paint schemes:

All Black
Black with yellow scare stripes
Lightning Stripes without any side numbers
Lightning Stripes with small, low numbers in Gothic
Lightning Stripes with small, low numbers in Railroad Roman
Lightning tripes with Large, high-mounted numbers
Overall Blue "Dip" scheme
Overall Blue Dip Scheme with Scare Stripes
P&W Patch
and Vermont RR Patch

My question is were there any others?

Thanks!

Bruce

--
Ed Cox


Re: Paint schemes worn by RS-3s

 

"All black" came in a few configuration (in order of appearance).

Literally all black.
All black with yellow handrails.
All black with wide chevrons.
All black with wide chevrons and "RADIO" on the cab
All black with yellow handrails, no chevrons but "RADIO" on the cab.

The 4116 also became the Greenwich & Johnsonville in a orange and black scheme.

Hope this helps.

Ed

On Saturday, May 18, 2024 at 06:05:09 PM EDT, Bruce and Dana Archer <bad@...> wrote:


Hi!
?? Or family is moving so I had to pack away my N-Scale locos and cars. When packing up my D&H RS-3s I found I had them in the following paint schemes:

All Black
Black with yellow scare stripes
Lightning Stripes without any side numbers
Lightning Stripes with small, low numbers in Gothic
Lightning Stripes with small, low numbers in Railroad Roman
Lightning tripes with Large, high-mounted numbers
Overall Blue "Dip" scheme
Overall Blue Dip Scheme with Scare Stripes
P&W Patch
and Vermont RR Patch

My question is were there any others?

Thanks!

Bruce

--
Ed Cox


Paint schemes worn by RS-3s

 

Hi!
?? Or family is moving so I had to pack away my N-Scale locos and cars. When packing up my D&H RS-3s I found I had them in the following paint schemes:

All Black
Black with yellow scare stripes
Lightning Stripes without any side numbers
Lightning Stripes with small, low numbers in Gothic
Lightning Stripes with small, low numbers in Railroad Roman
Lightning tripes with Large, high-mounted numbers
Overall Blue "Dip" scheme
Overall Blue Dip Scheme with Scare Stripes
P&W Patch
and Vermont RR Patch

My question is were there any others?

Thanks!

Bruce


Engine Facilties @ Kenwood Yard

 
Edited

I have not found anything in the way of photos of any kind of engine facilities at Kenwood Yard or did they just service the engines at Colonie back in the early 1970's? Did they refuel engines there? if so, was there any kind of infrastructure for it or did they just call a fuel truck? Was there any anything else there, like a sanding tower, etc.??

In fact, I found very little photographic evidence of the yard office. I have have only 3 photos from around 1990 and have to use all 3 to to get nearly a whole image of the north and west side of the building from a distance.

Thanks,
Ken


Dick Cooper Time Book - Guilford Error

 

9/18/85 Layed off at 2:00 PM.

9/19/85 Layed off.

9/20/85 Layed off. Tom Kerby in from Tucson

9/21/85 Regular day off. Reported available at 5:00 PM.

9/22/85 PYRP, power B&M 1724-D&H 452-MEC 282, through freight rate, marked on Mechanicville 7:00 PM, power out of Mechanicville (I assume the train was in Mohawk), picked up B&M 191-D&H 7401 @ MX and cut at Z, marked off Rouses Point 5:30 AM, on duty 10:30, paid $247.13 for 243 miles, Cooper engineer, T. Vogt fireman/trainee, T. Heller conductor.


Re: Almost LV-Like

 

Any guesses?

Charles


Dick Cooper Time Book - 1980s

 

6/5/80 ENOI, power 2305-7314-506, through freight rate, marked on Hudson 6:15? AM, picked up train at Carey Ave., 1:23 initial terminal delay, picked up 7324-2309 @ DF, marked off Oneonta 8:25 PM, on duty 14:10, paid $189.86 for 221 miles, Cooper engineer, no fireman, Tommy Flynn conductor.?