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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1970s
开云体育TY Ed. Does anyone know when the 300s were renumbered to the 2300 series?? I'm not finding that easily in my mess. Thanks, Jerry On 1/2/2020 5:47 AM, Ed Cox via
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12/6/70 RO6, power 313-305-314-306-312, through freight rate, marked on Whitehall 3:15 AM, marked off Oneonta 9:45 AM, on duty 6:30, pad $35.34 for 130 miles, John T. Bowen engineer, Cooper fireman. |
Re: Hell Gate
开云体育CP positively did got to fresh Pond thru the Hell’s gate.
Memory served me well for a change.
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? From: Bill
OConnell
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 10:59 AM
To: [email protected] ;
Bill><>
Subject: Re: [DandH-Railroad] Hell Gate ?
I checked my "stuff" and at one time the CP operated into
Oak Point Yard in the Bronx but I don't believe they ever crossed the Hell Gate
to Fresh Pond. Bill ? D&H / CP? Hell Gate to access fresh Pond yard
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please correct me if wrong on that
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Bill
Hope everyone has a healthy new year
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From: d. Sandow
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 8:00 AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Hell Gate ? The
Wikipedia article about Hell Gate Bridge includes this information
"Carries??? Amtrak Northeast Corridor; CSX/CP (D & H) freight" Did D&H actually use Hell Gate Bridge?? And if so, how and why? Or is this reference to D&H simply evolutionary misinforma ? ?
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Re: Hell Gate
Adding to my previous post is that I was a D&H engineer during that period of time and frequently ran those trains.? Initially the run originated in Saratoga Springs but was then moved to a Kenwood (Albany) base.? In the beginning the runs terminated at the CSX Oak Point yard but then started running all the way to Fresh Pond. With rare exception the trains ran at night.? One year the CP Holiday Train went to Fresh Pond but the decorated GE wide cab had to be towed by the cab signal equipped SD40-2s. Al Whalen |
Re: Hell Gate
Yes, CP/D&H was granted trackage rights between Schenectady and Fresh Pond in Queens to interchange with NY&A as part of the Conrail breakup (1998?)? They ran the service until around 2012 but then made a haulage agreement with CSX to handle the traffic.? The rights still exist and could be activated for running their own trains at any time.? CP would have to qualify crews and equip locomotives for that.? Traffic moving under the haulage agreement is still billed by CP. Al Whalen |
Re: Hell Gate
开云体育I’ll ask a guy that would know.
? From: Bill
OConnell
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 10:59 AM
To: [email protected] ;
Bill><>
Subject: Re: [DandH-Railroad] Hell Gate ?
I checked my "stuff" and at one time the CP operated into
Oak Point Yard in the Bronx but I don't believe they ever crossed the Hell Gate
to Fresh Pond. Bill ? D&H / CP? Hell Gate to access fresh Pond yard
?
please correct me if wrong on that
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Bill
Hope everyone has a healthy new year
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From: d. Sandow
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 8:00 AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Hell Gate ? The
Wikipedia article about Hell Gate Bridge includes this information
"Carries??? Amtrak Northeast Corridor; CSX/CP (D & H) freight" Did D&H actually use Hell Gate Bridge?? And if so, how and why? Or is this reference to D&H simply evolutionary misinforma ? ?
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Re: Hell Gate
I checked my "stuff" and at one time the CP operated into Oak Point Yard in the Bronx but I don't believe they ever crossed the Hell Gate to Fresh Pond. Bill D&H / CP? Hell Gate to access fresh Pond yard ? please correct me if wrong on that ? Bill Hope everyone has a healthy new year ? From: d. Sandow Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 8:00 AM Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Hell Gate ? The Wikipedia article about Hell Gate Bridge includes this information "Carries??? Amtrak Northeast Corridor; CSX/CP (D & H) freight" Did D&H actually use Hell Gate Bridge?? And if so, how and why? Or is this reference to D&H simply evolutionary misinforma ?
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Re: Hell Gate
开云体育D&H / CP? Hell Gate to access fresh Pond yard
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please correct me if wrong on that
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Bill
Hope everyone has a healthy new year
? From: d.
Sandow
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 8:00 AM
Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Hell Gate ?
The
Wikipedia article about Hell Gate Bridge includes this
information "Carries??? Amtrak Northeast Corridor; CSX/CP (D & H) freight" Did D&H actually use Hell Gate Bridge?? And if so, how and why? Or is this reference to D&H simply evolutionary misinformation? |
Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1967
Tim, To add to Gordon's excellent explanation; When the jobs (WR1-RW6) crossed over two divisions one side (day 1) would be assigned to one division's crew and one side (day 2) would be assigned to the other division's crew. For example: Dick was assigned to WR1 from the R&S (3rd & 4rth sub-division) and headed north while, on the same day, the A&S crew (2nd sub-division) would be headed south on RW6. Because he was an "R&S" man, he could only bid on one side out of Oneonta. Hope this doesn't make it more confusing. Wishing you all a Happy, Healthy & Safe New Year. Ed
On Wednesday, January 1, 2020, 01:27:37 AM UTC, Gordon Davids via Groups.Io <g.davids@...> wrote:
During most of the time that Dick Cooper and I were working on the
D&H, there were two jobs that regularly worked between Oneonta
and Whitehall. The "Paper Train" was WR-1 Northward, later symbol WR-7, with the Canadian empties,and RW-6 Southward with the paper loads. Those trains used three crews, with home terminals at Rouses Point, Whitehall, Oneonta and Wilkes-Barre. The local traffic and common freight for the north end moved in a second set of trains between Wilkes-Barre and Rouses Point. They were typically WR-3 Northward, and either RW-4 or RO-2 Southward, between Wilkes-Barre and Whitehall. The same trains north of Whitehall were designated as local freight, SC-19 and SC-20. For instance, most of the iron ore from Lyon Mountain and Port Henry moved on SC-20, which often handled more that 100 cars. The D&H had three seniority districts for train service employees - Penn Division, A&S (Susquehanna Division), and R&S (Saratoga-Champlain Division). The Penn Division district was Wilkes-Barre to Nineveh Junction. The A&S was Binghamton to Albany (proper) and Mechanicville. The R&S was Albany and Troy to Rouses Point, including all of the branches. Kenwood and Mohawk Yards were on the A&S. North Albany, Colonie and Mechanicville were on the R&S. There were two interdivisional districts, where crews from two seniority districts operated on the same track. A&S and R&S crews operated between Whitehall and Oneonta. A&S and Penn crews operated between Oneonta and Wilkes-Barre. The work was balanced by a mileage equalization agreement. I don't recall just how the crew assignments worked from day-to-day on WR-1/RW-6 and WR-3/RW-4, but I know that Dick worked all of them as an R&S fireman and engineer after he transferred from the A&S to the R&S roster. Sometimes his home terminal was Oneonta, sometimes Whitehall, and quite often Rouses Point. I also know that he caught some of those jobs out of Oneonta when he was still an A&S fireman. Generally, when he was firing on WR-1/RW-6 with John Torrence Bowen, he was working out of Oneonta on the R&S roster. Likewise with Stan Chapman on WR-3/RW-4 or the equivalent. I know that he also worked with Anthony Farrone on those jobs as an A&S fireman out of Oneonta before he transferred to the R&S. Dick always went to wherever the work called him, and he gave it his best, which was the best. He was a fine railroader and a good friend. - Gordon Davids On 2019-12-31 09:11, Tim Vincent wrote:
I notice that Cooper only seemed to work RW6 and WR1.
Were they the only thru jobs above Mohawk?
From:
[email protected] <[email protected]> on
behalf of Ed Cox via Groups.Io
<edcox13@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 7:09 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Dick Cooper Time Book - 1967 ???
9/4/67 stayed in Oneonta
9/5/67 went to Albany 9/6/67 Went to Steamtown in Bellows Falls, VT to visit Chris Ahrens friend and mechanical officer/engineer. 9/7/67 At Bellows Falls, bid in RW6/WR1 Rouses Point Terminal vacated by R.F. Manell. 9/8/67 RW6, power 5003-5013-5015-5016, through freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 9:15 PM, marked off Whitehall 1:20 AM, on duty 4:05, paid $27.52 for 115 miles, V.P. Laundrie engineer, Cooper fireman. -- Ed Cox -- Gordon A. Davids, P.E., WJ3K 201 Marie Ave Severna Park, MD 21146 (410) 647-2956 g.davids <at> verizon.net -- Ed Cox |
Re: CP completes acquisition of Central Maine & Quebec | Trains Magazine
开云体育When you stop and think about it, if it hadn't been for GRS mucking up the northeast, CP would likely have kept it's lines in the first place.
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CP completes acquisition of Central Maine & Quebec | Trains Magazine
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Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1967
开云体育During most of the time that Dick Cooper and I were working on the D&H, there were two jobs that regularly worked between Oneonta and Whitehall.The "Paper Train" was WR-1 Northward, later symbol WR-7, with the Canadian empties,and RW-6 Southward with the paper loads. Those trains used three crews, with home terminals at Rouses Point, Whitehall, Oneonta and Wilkes-Barre. The local traffic and common freight for the north end moved in a second set of trains between Wilkes-Barre and Rouses Point. They were typically WR-3 Northward, and either RW-4 or RO-2 Southward, between Wilkes-Barre and Whitehall. The same trains north of Whitehall were designated as local freight, SC-19 and SC-20. For instance, most of the iron ore from Lyon Mountain and Port Henry moved on SC-20, which often handled more that 100 cars. The D&H had three seniority districts for train service employees - Penn Division, A&S (Susquehanna Division), and R&S (Saratoga-Champlain Division). The Penn Division district was Wilkes-Barre to Nineveh Junction. The A&S was Binghamton to Albany (proper) and Mechanicville. The R&S was Albany and Troy to Rouses Point, including all of the branches. Kenwood and Mohawk Yards were on the A&S. North Albany, Colonie and Mechanicville were on the R&S. There were two interdivisional districts, where crews from two seniority districts operated on the same track. A&S and R&S crews operated between Whitehall and Oneonta. A&S and Penn crews operated between Oneonta and Wilkes-Barre. The work was balanced by a mileage equalization agreement. I don't recall just how the crew assignments worked from day-to-day on WR-1/RW-6 and WR-3/RW-4, but I know that Dick worked all of them as an R&S fireman and engineer after he transferred from the A&S to the R&S roster. Sometimes his home terminal was Oneonta, sometimes Whitehall, and quite often Rouses Point. I also know that he caught some of those jobs out of Oneonta when he was still an A&S fireman. Generally, when he was firing on WR-1/RW-6 with John Torrence Bowen, he was working out of Oneonta on the R&S roster. Likewise with Stan Chapman on WR-3/RW-4 or the equivalent. I know that he also worked with Anthony Farrone on those jobs as an A&S fireman out of Oneonta before he transferred to the R&S. Dick always went to wherever the work called him, and he gave it his best, which was the best. He was a fine railroader and a good friend. - Gordon Davids On 2019-12-31 09:11, Tim Vincent wrote:
-- Gordon A. Davids, P.E., WJ3K 201 Marie Ave Severna Park, MD 21146 (410) 647-2956 g.davids <at> verizon.net |
Re: Dick Cooper Time Book - 1967
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I notice that Cooper only seemed to work RW6 and WR1.
Were they the only thru jobs above Mohawk?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ed Cox via Groups.Io <edcox13@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 7:09 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [DandH-Railroad] Dick Cooper Time Book - 1967 ?
9/4/67 stayed in Oneonta
9/5/67 went to Albany 9/6/67 Went to Steamtown in Bellows Falls, VT to visit Chris Ahrens friend and mechanical officer/engineer. 9/7/67 At Bellows Falls, bid in RW6/WR1 Rouses Point Terminal vacated by R.F. Manell. 9/8/67 RW6, power 5003-5013-5015-5016, through freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 9:15 PM, marked off Whitehall 1:20 AM, on duty 4:05, paid $27.52 for 115 miles, V.P. Laundrie engineer, Cooper fireman. -- Ed Cox |
Dick Cooper Time Book - 1967
9/4/67 stayed in Oneonta
9/5/67 went to Albany 9/6/67 Went to Steamtown in Bellows Falls, VT to visit Chris Ahrens friend and mechanical officer/engineer. 9/7/67 At Bellows Falls, bid in RW6/WR1 Rouses Point Terminal vacated by R.F. Manell. 9/8/67 RW6, power 5003-5013-5015-5016, through freight rate, marked on Rouses Point 9:15 PM, marked off Whitehall 1:20 AM, on duty 4:05, paid $27.52 for 115 miles, V.P. Laundrie engineer, Cooper fireman. -- Ed Cox |
Dick Cooper Time Book - D&H Steam
1/14/52 AO2 helper, power K class 4-8-4 305, through freight rate, marked on Colonie 9:15 PM, marked off Oneonta 3:30 AM, on duty 6:15, paid $13.55 for 109 miles, A.T. Crouch Sr. engineer, Cooper fireman.
1/15/52 deadhead on 205, through freight rate, marked on Oneonta 9:15 AM, marked off Colonie 12:15 PM, on duty 3:00, paid $5.47 for 44 miles. -- Ed Cox |
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