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Good suggestion Greg. A top-notch AV receiver like the Onkyo RZ-50 is very capable of driving the DQ-10's on it's own, BUT, that's not necessary because it has 2 pairs of preamp outs that can be routed to the Hafler. So I think I'll keep two amps and one set of 10's, a sub and the LP1 for my office/listening room. Equally important, now I can connect a NAS, all my high def TV's etc. in one centralized unit that will drive the surround system effortlessly too.
So if I choose to kick one off the island (as in sell) would you keep both the Hafler DH500's and sell the Adcom (it is the MKI nelson Pass designed early model), OR, use the Adcom for the subs and one Hafler for the DQ-10's?
And honestly, I think I can survive with just one pair of 10's vs two (and keep both subs??). I'm stressing the WAF already.
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FWIW, I have a SVS SB-2000 Pro and it works fantastic with my DQ-10s. All the settings can be controlled with the SVS iPhone app making it super easy to seamlessly integrate it into your system and room.?
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Re: Not related to Dahlquist, but I respect the group members thoughts
These are all great responses , thank?you. Just to clarify...
I'm not making a case against having high end separates or?debating sound quality - I completely believe that high-end separates will always perform better than a receiver., and if you have the space and the time to dedicate to enjoying it, and no urge for a simpler setup, then great!
Let me describe it this way. I have a hall closet completely?consumed by audio equipment. I need a? professional 6' rolling audio rack to stack and fit three amps? +?multiple shelves for a turntable, a CD player, a tuner, a receiver (needed for surround speakers), a modem, a router, TWO more whole home audio amps....WHEW!!?
So my thinking is a "higher-end" receiver would simplify things, gain me MUCH more space and add more technology/options to the system (wi-fi, faster HDMI, LAN connection) that vintage gear lacks. And storing all?those CD's is a PITA. A NAS with my music collection as uncompressed Flac files running via PLEX seems like a nice alternative. A new AV receiver with all kinds of connectivity (wiFi, LAN, etc.) plenty of power for the DQ-10's seems a good?approach. I feel like ease of use and increase in functionality outweighs a slight step-down in audio quality.
So I'd like to hear how people have integrated a NAS into their systems. BTW - I am keeping the DQ-10's, DQLP1 and subs.
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Re: Not related to Dahlquist, but I respect the group members thoughts
I think a lot of folks upgrade their powered subs frequently, so you might?
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On Jan 23, 2024, at 9:06?AM, SpongeSound <wm.edmiston@...> wrote:
?On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 02:20 PM, Greg Priddy wrote:
SVS SB-1000
I like the idea of a powered sub, especially if I can switch it between straight-on music playing and serving as a surround sub. And, one less amp
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On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 02:20 PM, Greg Priddy wrote:
SVS SB-1000
I like the idea of a powered sub, especially if I can switch it between straight-on music playing and serving as a surround sub. And, one less amp
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I'm in the same boat.? I have an entire rack of Mcintosh and Carver amps, DQ-10s and 1Ws, LP1 and source receiver.? I keep coming back to the same conclusion:? It was hard to get all of this together and this system does really sing when I want to really listen.? At 70 years old, I DO still care about the quality of my sound system-even when just watching low-fi videos etc...? My wife wants me to go to something smaller, but I think I will hang on as long as my ears still work.
Steve
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 02:57:36 PM EST, Bob G via groups.io <bobg717@...> wrote:
Here's my advice as a 69 yo life long (45 years) DQ-10 owner with two SN~2600 non-modified speakers (except for upgrading to yellow Dahlquist caps). I have almost 2TB of digital music on a five-hard-drive Synology NAS. Music is composed of regular CDs that I ripped, SACDs that I bought or borrowed from the the library, got at yard sales, etc. and ripped. And a very small amount of recorded vinyl. It's way to tedious to digitize your vinyl collection. Most of the music I listen to is acoustic (jazz, classical, new age, vocals, etc.) I even have some MP3s from the Napster days.
The DQ-10s are precision instruments and will accurately reveal the flaws in the underlying electronics, so it pays to buy the best you can afford. While people look at frequency response and distortion as metrics, with the DQ-10s sound stage and imaging is key, but doesn't come through on a spec. So buy something where you can do an in-home trial.?
Stay away from Plex or any other software media server/encoder. Anything that gets in the way of streaming the file from the source to destination will degrade the sound, and you will hear it on the DQ-10s. Buy devices with native support for 24/192?wav, flac, and DSD 128 (2x) files. Even though the encoding rate of DSD is far in excess of an audio CD you will here the difference with well recorded material on the DQ-10s. You'll also love the way DSD music sounds if you can get your hands on some ripped SACDs or download from NativeDSD or HDtracks. It's much more "vinyl-like" than PCM format. You can really hear the difference on the DQ-10s.
Wikipedia- "DSD differs from the PCM format used by??or typical computer audio systems: while PCM uses a multi-bit value (representing a large range of amplitudes) at a low sample rate, DSD instead uses a single-bit value (representing an increase or decrease in amplitude) at a sample rate much higher than the signal's?."
Look for devices that support?UPnP / DLNA and the above specs and you won't need Plex. There are lots of streaming?DACS out there but not all of them support DSD. You also want a dac thats support MQA (Master Quality Audio)?if you're going to get a streaming service.?Tidal has the best quality but it's still not as good as a CD. You will notice the difference. All streaming services use compression which?removes the details?in the sound.
One more thought--buy separate discreet components rather that an all-in-one amplifier/receiver/dac. Your ears will thank you, even though they're 66 years old. You will hear the difference with good equipment. My hearing tops out at 11k, but I still notice the difference in imaging and soundstage.?
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On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:43:51 AM EST, SpongeSound <wm.edmiston@...> wrote:
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Had a lot of offers and hoping to get it sent out soon. We're in the middle of downsizing as we enter retirement and go from a big house to one half the size. And this has..it has caused me to rethink my "audio world"In taking stock of all the gear I have, it has caused me to reconsider whether (at this stage of life) I want to retain/maintain a somewhat cumbersome setup, or, scale back and simultaneously upgrade in the process. By that I mean this....I have two sets of DQ-10 and two DQ1W subs. That alone consumes a LOT of real estate. Add to that a Hafler DH500 to power on the first set of 10's, a second DH500 to power the 2nd set, and an Adcom 555 to power the subs. There's also a older Onkyo TS-805 receiver I use as the central "connecting hub" for all the peripherals (CD player, turntable, etc,). I'd like to move to a NAS as a Plex media server so I can digitize and move all my CD's to a small footprint and don't have to muck around with a huge library of CD's (nor the need to find a place to put them all) What I'm getting at is this...I'm at an age and point in life where, to be completely honest, I don't really ever sit down and just listen to hours of music. What's more typical is....I put on some music but get distracted by a project, or my dogs or whatever and just have music in the background. I might dedicate time to sit and listen to an album on occasion, but having the complexity and all the space required to keep this gear running is starting to wane in it's appeal and seems like a bigger price to pay than it once did. Not to mention my wife - she has zero understanding of even how to run this stuff beyond a few clicks, so it all dies with me. I'd like to make things less complex for her if possible so she doesn't have to fire sale all that gear when I go to that big listening room in the sky someday...lol! Given that this forum has a demographic that remembers and appreciates Dahlquist gear, I'm certain I'm not alone in this "evolution of thinking" about one's audio gear "commitment" and would be interested in hearing other perspectives, particularly from the older members. I'm considering selling all three amps and the old Onkyo receiver, and replacing all with a new, updated A/V receiver with enough power for my in-wall surround speakers AND the 10's, has every possibly input/output/HDMI/WiFi I'll ever need, and takes up less than a quarter of the space. Fewer wires, less electricity, less heat, etc. I like the idea of putting my music library on a NAS to serve as a Plex server (maybe add a streaming service to fill in anything I don't own). More streamlined, more space, less hardware.? I've come to terms with as one downsizes it often requires one to take a critical look at and do an assessment of all the stuff you own, and make some decisions about what you need to keep, what may be fun to keep, and what is more of a hassle to keep. BTW - I'm not criticizing anyone's desire to have this gear, I get it. I'm just sharing where I'm coming from today.? At age 66 I'm not even sure my ears would perceive a difference in electronics anymore. LOL!!
Looking forward to the groups thoughts and experiences since I know you guys KNOW your stuff!
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Re: Not related to Dahlquist, but I respect the group members thoughts
Here's my advice as a 69 yo life long (45 years) DQ-10 owner with two SN~2600 non-modified speakers (except for upgrading to yellow Dahlquist caps). I have almost 2TB of digital music on a five-hard-drive Synology NAS. Music is composed of regular CDs that I ripped, SACDs that I bought or borrowed from the the library, got at yard sales, etc. and ripped. And a very small amount of recorded vinyl. It's way to tedious to digitize your vinyl collection. Most of the music I listen to is acoustic (jazz, classical, new age, vocals, etc.) I even have some MP3s from the Napster days.
The DQ-10s are precision instruments and will accurately reveal the flaws in the underlying electronics, so it pays to buy the best you can afford. While people look at frequency response and distortion as metrics, with the DQ-10s sound stage and imaging is key, but doesn't come through on a spec. So buy something where you can do an in-home trial.?
Stay away from Plex or any other software media server/encoder. Anything that gets in the way of streaming the file from the source to destination will degrade the sound, and you will hear it on the DQ-10s. Buy devices with native support for 24/192?wav, flac, and DSD 128 (2x) files. Even though the encoding rate of DSD is far in excess of an audio CD you will here the difference with well recorded material on the DQ-10s. You'll also love the way DSD music sounds if you can get your hands on some ripped SACDs or download from NativeDSD or HDtracks. It's much more "vinyl-like" than PCM format. You can really hear the difference on the DQ-10s.
Wikipedia- "DSD differs from the PCM format used by??or typical computer audio systems: while PCM uses a multi-bit value (representing a large range of amplitudes) at a low sample rate, DSD instead uses a single-bit value (representing an increase or decrease in amplitude) at a sample rate much higher than the signal's?."
Look for devices that support?UPnP / DLNA and the above specs and you won't need Plex. There are lots of streaming?DACS out there but not all of them support DSD. You also want a dac thats support MQA (Master Quality Audio)?if you're going to get a streaming service.?Tidal has the best quality but it's still not as good as a CD. You will notice the difference. All streaming services use compression which?removes the details?in the sound.
One more thought--buy separate discreet components rather that an all-in-one amplifier/receiver/dac. Your ears will thank you, even though they're 66 years old. You will hear the difference with good equipment. My hearing tops out at 11k, but I still notice the difference in imaging and soundstage.?
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On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:43:51 AM EST, SpongeSound <wm.edmiston@...> wrote:
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Had a lot of offers and hoping to get it sent out soon. We're in the middle of downsizing as we enter retirement and go from a big house to one half the size. And this has..it has caused me to rethink my "audio world"In taking stock of all the gear I have, it has caused me to reconsider whether (at this stage of life) I want to retain/maintain a somewhat cumbersome setup, or, scale back and simultaneously upgrade in the process. By that I mean this....I have two sets of DQ-10 and two DQ1W subs. That alone consumes a LOT of real estate. Add to that a Hafler DH500 to power on the first set of 10's, a second DH500 to power the 2nd set, and an Adcom 555 to power the subs. There's also a older Onkyo TS-805 receiver I use as the central "connecting hub" for all the peripherals (CD player, turntable, etc,). I'd like to move to a NAS as a Plex media server so I can digitize and move all my CD's to a small footprint and don't have to muck around with a huge library of CD's (nor the need to find a place to put them all) What I'm getting at is this...I'm at an age and point in life where, to be completely honest, I don't really ever sit down and just listen to hours of music. What's more typical is....I put on some music but get distracted by a project, or my dogs or whatever and just have music in the background. I might dedicate time to sit and listen to an album on occasion, but having the complexity and all the space required to keep this gear running is starting to wane in it's appeal and seems like a bigger price to pay than it once did. Not to mention my wife - she has zero understanding of even how to run this stuff beyond a few clicks, so it all dies with me. I'd like to make things less complex for her if possible so she doesn't have to fire sale all that gear when I go to that big listening room in the sky someday...lol! Given that this forum has a demographic that remembers and appreciates Dahlquist gear, I'm certain I'm not alone in this "evolution of thinking" about one's audio gear "commitment" and would be interested in hearing other perspectives, particularly from the older members. I'm considering selling all three amps and the old Onkyo receiver, and replacing all with a new, updated A/V receiver with enough power for my in-wall surround speakers AND the 10's, has every possibly input/output/HDMI/WiFi I'll ever need, and takes up less than a quarter of the space. Fewer wires, less electricity, less heat, etc. I like the idea of putting my music library on a NAS to serve as a Plex server (maybe add a streaming service to fill in anything I don't own). More streamlined, more space, less hardware.? I've come to terms with as one downsizes it often requires one to take a critical look at and do an assessment of all the stuff you own, and make some decisions about what you need to keep, what may be fun to keep, and what is more of a hassle to keep. BTW - I'm not criticizing anyone's desire to have this gear, I get it. I'm just sharing where I'm coming from today.? At age 66 I'm not even sure my ears would perceive a difference in electronics anymore. LOL!!
Looking forward to the groups thoughts and experiences since I know you guys KNOW your stuff!
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Re: Not related to Dahlquist, but I respect the group members thoughts
I have my doubts that there's an AV receiver that can power DQ-10s as well as a Hafler DH500. Your mileage may vary, depending on the genre(s) of music you listen to, and your expectations of sound pressure levels.
If it were me, I'd ease into this by selling off a pair of DQ-10s and one of the DH500s, keeping the other pair, the subs (assuming you're running both subs on a single system) and associated amplifiers. You can always sell more of your gear later, but it will be much more difficult to get those items back, once they're gone.
You could also look at replacing the Dahlquist subs with some smaller, powered units. I have a pair of SVS SB-1000s that I'm very happy with. They are a much smaller footprint than the DQ-1Ws, and you'd need one less amp.
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On 2024-01-22 11:43, SpongeSound wrote: [Edited Message Follows] Had a lot of offers and hoping to get it sent
out soon. We're in the middle of downsizing as we enter retirement and
go from a big house to one half the size. And this has..it has caused
me to rethink my "audio world"
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Re: Not related to Dahlquist, but I respect the group members thoughts
Had a lot of offers and hoping to get it sent out soon. We're in the middle of downsizing as we enter retirement and go from a big house to one half the size. And this has..it has caused me to rethink my "audio world"
In taking stock of all the gear I have, it has caused me to reconsider whether (at this stage of life) I want to retain/maintain a somewhat cumbersome setup, or, scale back and simultaneously upgrade in the process. By that I mean this....I have two sets of DQ-10 and two DQ1W subs. That alone consumes a LOT of real estate. Add to that a Hafler DH500 to power on the first set of 10's, a second DH500 to power the 2nd set, and an Adcom 555 to power the subs. There's also a older Onkyo TS-805 receiver I use as the central "connecting hub" for all the peripherals (CD player, turntable, etc,). I'd like to move to a NAS as a Plex media server so I can digitize and move all my CD's to a small footprint and don't have to muck around with a huge library of CD's (nor the need to find a place to put them all)
What I'm getting at is this...I'm at an age and point in life where, to be completely honest, I don't really ever sit down and just listen to hours of music. What's more typical is....I put on some music but get distracted by a project, or my dogs or whatever and just have music in the background. I might dedicate time to sit and listen to an album on occasion, but having the complexity and all the space required to keep this gear running is starting to wane in it's appeal and seems like a bigger price to pay than it once did. Not to mention my wife - she has zero understanding of even how to run this stuff beyond a few clicks, so it all dies with me. I'd like to make things less complex for her if possible so she doesn't have to fire sale all that gear when I go to that big listening room in the sky someday...lol!
Given that this forum has a demographic that remembers and appreciates Dahlquist gear, I'm certain I'm not alone in this "evolution of thinking" about one's audio gear "commitment" and would be interested in hearing other perspectives, particularly from the older members.
I'm considering selling all three amps and the old Onkyo receiver, and replacing all with a new, updated A/V receiver with enough power for my in-wall surround speakers AND the 10's, has every possibly input/output/HDMI/WiFi I'll ever need, and takes up less than a quarter of the space. Fewer wires, less electricity, less heat, etc. I like the idea of putting my music library on a NAS to serve as a Plex server (maybe add a streaming service to fill in anything I don't own). More streamlined, more space, less hardware.? I've come to terms with as one downsizes it often requires one to take a critical look at and do an assessment of all the stuff you own, and make some decisions about what you need to keep, what may be fun to keep, and what is more of a hassle to keep. BTW - I'm not criticizing anyone's desire to have this gear, I get it. I'm just sharing where I'm coming from today.?
At age 66 I'm not even sure my ears would perceive a difference in electronics anymore. LOL!!
Looking forward to the groups thoughts and experiences since I know you guys KNOW your stuff!
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Masonite Advent woofer: Broken solder between voice coil wire and connector wire
A few months ago I feared that one of the woofers on my main pair of DQ-10s (the pair that has the original woofers with the masonite ring) had broken beyond repair. In particular, I feared that the voice coil had burned out, since the tester measured infinite resistance between the two woofer connectors. After various tests, however, I managed to understand that the problem was in the soldering on the cone where the voice coil wire comes out (see photo). After re-soldering very carefully to avoid burning the cone, the woofer started working normally again. I hope this message can be useful to someone who has the same problem. Trying to repair the original woofer, in fact, is also important because, as I reported in another post of mine sent today, the full metal basket Advent woofer has the cone set back compared to that of the original woofer and it would therefore be necessary to mount it forward with respect to the panel.
Franco
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I'm afraid there was a problem uploading the photos. I'll try again...
Franco
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I found the photos I had taken. As you can see, the surround cone of the original woofer is almost aligned with the front panel, while that of the full metal basket woofer is set back. The advancement of the cone of the original woofer is also confirmed by the protrusion of the voice coil support compared to the spider (this protrusion is not present in the full metal basket woofer).
Franco
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Full metal basket Advent woofer time alignment in DQ-10
I noticed on the page /g/DahlquistSpeakers/wiki/23822/158757 dedicated to the Advent woofer used in the DQ-10 (the one with the masonite ring) that the subsequent model used in the New Advent Loudspeaker (the one with full metal basket) and used as a replacement in the DQ-10 is declared to have the same parameters as the original woofer. This seems true to me with regards to the parameters reported on the aforementioned page, but not for another parameter which concerns the position of the cone with respect to the panel on which the transducer is mounted. In fact, I understand that to have the cone in the same relative position (with respect to the panel) as that of the original woofer it is necessary to advance the new woofer using a ring (I don't know if this is compatible with the position of the covering cloth of the front panel of the DQ -10). In a project like that of the DQ-10 which gives importance to the alignment of the emission centers of the transducers, I believe that this aspect must be carefully considered. What I am saying is already confirmed by the photos of the two versions contained in the aforementioned page (in particular you can see how the cone of the full metal basket woofer is significantly set back compared to the panel on which it is mounted). If you want, I can also look for some photos I took, precisely to highlight this aspect, of the woofers of my two pairs of DQ-10s (one pair has the original woofers, the other has the full metal basket woofers).
Franco
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Re: Not related to Dahlquist, but I respect the group members thoughts
Did it find a good home?? ?:-)
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Friendly bidding war? That is a really nice turntable.
I'm also happy to pay some shipping to California and put in some extra cash. My kids system so far is some Infinity Kappa 6 speakers, Yamaha cr 420 and a really terrible cheap non-vintage turntable. Would love to help him upgrade to a better deck. He does not get my DQ10's though.
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If everyone else bails...? I'll happily pay shipping/packing... Kentucky.
NOTE...? And if you're truly done with it, then the only reason to hold on to it would be sentimental.? :-)
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I’m back…still available?
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On Jan 6, 2024, at 1:16 PM, SpongeSound <wm.edmiston@...> wrote:
Moving to new home and setting up a whole home audio system (in-ceiling speakers in 9 rooms plus extra 14AWG wiring to two rooms specifically for my two pairs of DQ-10's and subs. I will be wiring in a keypad in every room to control 3-4 electronic devices, a vintage Pioneer turntable (PL -707)?being the lone standout that cannot be controlled (well, except for volume once its queued up and playing)
That said, I got rid of 99% of my records over 20 years ago, so now it remains boxed up, waiting for the day I dust it off and feed it some vinyl. That day, I don't think, will ever come again, as I simply don't see myself ever returning to vinyl no matter how fashionable it becomes again, nor for its "warmer" sound. I just don't feel the urge to seek out and buy records, or a place to store them, or all the manual effort to even play them in light of streaming services and NAS device and other electronics I'll have at hand. Seems like too much work.
Given this reality, is there ANY reason to hang on to this old man, or, does someone out here wish to offer it a good home? Pay shipping only.
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If you are in the Bay Area, would love to have the turntable for my kid who is gradually building a nice vintage system. Happy to through in some cash.
thanks,
Sheldon
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More then happy to take the records, and pay for shipping? for all. Shipping g is actually? cheap because it's considered? media mail and there is a flat fee per parcel.
Yes there is a reason for keeping vinyl, for me it's the physical? part and art cover that I enjoy seeing. But if it's a mobility issue? and? time I can see why one would? get rid of them . Ty
On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 1:14 PM, MUDDFISH via groups.io <muddfish@...> wrote: I live in Richardson? tx? near Dallas? On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 1:05 PM, katie8664hall <katie8664hall@...> wrote: Where is it located? I'll bet somebody would love to buy it.
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