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IC-PW1 configuration in DXLabCommander
开云体育Dave, you note: “If the PW1 is connected to Commander's Secondary CAT port and no other device, then the only way CI-V collisions can occur is if the PW1 transmit CI-V messages.” Are you saying definitively that the PW1 is never shutting up? Could you can see this in an error log? ? 73, Dave, w6de ? From: [email protected]
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Sent: 30 March, 2025 23:42 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DXLab] IC-PW1 configuration in DXLabCommander ? + AA6YQ comments below
+ If the PW1 is connected to Commander's Secondary CAT port and no other device, then the only way CI-V collisions can occur is if the PW1 transmit CI-V messages. Larry K8UT's "riding the CI-V bus" document describes the conditions under
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+ AA6YQ comments below
+ If the PW1 is connected to Commander's Secondary CAT port and no other device, then the only way CI-V collisions can occur is if the PW1 transmit CI-V messages. Larry K8UT's "riding the CI-V bus" document describes the conditions under which it will do that. See section 4 in ? ? ? 73, ? ? ? ? ? ? Dave, AA6YQ |
开云体育I have been working directly with Shige on this matter.? Shige did get DXLab Commander installed and working directly with his PW1.? However, the absence of CIV collisions is not consistent and most time fails to work properly after shut down and a restart.? Shige has performed exhaustive tests isolating various components and re-trying shut down and start up.? But the intermittent PW1 CIV collisions persist.? ? I believe the DXLab Commander PW1 CIV fix is working properly and there is a hardware intermittent somewhere we have been unable to detect. Shige is going to try a different hardware solution that I am sending him. ? 73, Dave, w6de ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
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Sent: 20 March, 2025 22:24 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DXLab] IC-PW1 configuration in DXLabCommander ? ?Joe, W6TV, Dave AA6YQ, and Dave, W6DE ? I'm sorry. ? PC(DXLabCommander):USB A port?[USB cable]?IC-7600:USB B port PC(DXLabCommander):USB A port?CT-18(interface)?[REMOTE cable]?IC-PW1:Remote socket IC-7600:ACC-2 socket?[ACC cable]?IC-PW1:ACC-1 socket ? Does this tell you the status of the connection between my radio and my PC? The PC, IC-7600, and IC-PW1 are connected like this. In this state, IC-PW1 cannot be controlled well. ? Shige, JJ1BCM ? |
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+ No problem, Shige! + That configuration is not supported because it does not prevent the PW1 from encountering CI-V bus collisions, which can mangle frequency packets and cause the PW1 to transmit on an unexpected frequency.? Dave W6DE will help you establish the correct connectivity and configure Commander appropriately. ? ? ? ?73, ? ? ? ? ? ?Dave, AA6YQ |
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?Joe, W6TV, Dave AA6YQ, and Dave, W6DE
I'm sorry.
I did not know that [email protected] could not send attachments.
PC(DXLabCommander):USB A port?[USB cable]?IC-7600:USB B port
PC(DXLabCommander):USB A port?CT-18(interface)?[REMOTE cable]?IC-PW1:Remote socket
IC-7600:ACC-2 socket?[ACC cable]?IC-PW1:ACC-1 socket
Does this tell you the status of the connection between my radio and my PC?
The PC, IC-7600, and IC-PW1 are connected like this.
In this state, IC-PW1 cannot be controlled well.
Shige, JJ1BCM
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开云体育I am taking this discussion off line.? I will post a summary if this discussion works out. ? 73, Dave, w6de ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
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Sent: 20 March, 2025 19:07 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DXLab] IC-PW1 configuration in DXLabCommander ? As noted by Joe, W6TV, Dave AA6YQ, and myself W6DE, you can not share a single CIV connection with both a 7600 and a PW1 on that single CIV connection.? Dave, AA6YQ is telling you the PW1 does not behave properly on a CIV connection and you need a separate CIV connection to only the PW1 from your computer to your PW1 to properly handle the bad behavior from the PW1. ? 73, Dave, w6de ? From:
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On Behalf Of Shigeru Ohsawa via groups.io ? Dave, W6DE ? As shown in the attached figure, the PC is connected to the IC-7600 and the IC-PW1. ? Shige, JJ1BCM ? 差出人:?[email protected]
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の代理で送信 ? You will need a second CIV connection path for DXLab Commander running in the computer to communicate with the PW1.? Do you have a second CT-18 or other way to connect your computer to the PW1?? See the connection diagram in this article. ? 73, Dave, w6de ? From:?[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of ji8bxb.jj1bcm.shige via groups.io ? Thank you, Dave. ? >Leave the PW1 address at 71 and the 7600 address at 7A. IC-PW1 address at 74(DXLab's “Controlling an Icom PW1 Amplifier” instructs to set the address of IC-PW1 to 74.). IC-7600 address at 7A. ? >With the accessory cable and CIV cables directly connected between the PW1 and the 7600 can you successfully Sync the PW1 and 7600 together? IC-7600 controls IC-PW1 perfectly. ? Shige, JJ1BCM ? |
开云体育As noted by Joe, W6TV, Dave AA6YQ, and myself W6DE, you can not share a single CIV connection with both a 7600 and a PW1 on that single CIV connection.? Dave, AA6YQ is telling you the PW1 does not behave properly on a CIV connection and you need a separate CIV connection to only the PW1 from your computer to your PW1 to properly handle the bad behavior from the PW1. ? 73, Dave, w6de ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
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Sent: 20 March, 2025 09:17 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DXLab] IC-PW1 configuration in DXLabCommander ? Dave, W6DE ? As shown in the attached figure, the PC is connected to the IC-7600 and the IC-PW1. ? Shige, JJ1BCM ? 差出人:?[email protected]
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の代理で送信 ? You will need a second CIV connection path for DXLab Commander running in the computer to communicate with the PW1.? Do you have a second CT-18 or other way to connect your computer to the PW1?? See the connection diagram in this article. ? 73, Dave, w6de ? From:?[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of ji8bxb.jj1bcm.shige via groups.io ? Thank you, Dave. ? >Leave the PW1 address at 71 and the 7600 address at 7A. IC-PW1 address at 74(DXLab's “Controlling an Icom PW1 Amplifier” instructs to set the address of IC-PW1 to 74.). IC-7600 address at 7A. ? >With the accessory cable and CIV cables directly connected between the PW1 and the 7600 can you successfully Sync the PW1 and 7600 together? IC-7600 controls IC-PW1 perfectly. ? Shige, JJ1BCM ? |
开云体育+ AA6YQ comments below ? A direct connection between transceiver and amplifier is not supported by DXLab Suite.? If you are using that connection, please seek help from Icom or one of the Icom support lists. ? + The PW1 fails to comply with Icom's CI-V bus specification. Like the Ethernet, the collisions can occur on the CI-V bus. However, the PW1 does not properly detect and recover from collisions. ? |
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A direct connection between transceiver and amplifier is not supported by DXLab Suite. If you are using that connection, please seek help from Icom or one of the Icom support lists. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2025-03-20 4:55 AM, Shigeru Ohsawa via groups.io wrote:
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As shown in the attached figure, the PC is connected to the IC-7600 and the IC-PW1.
I cannot control IC-PW1 well in this condition.
Shige, JJ1BCM
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送信日时:?2025年3月20日 8:44 宛先:[email protected] <[email protected]> 件名:?Re: [DXLab] IC-PW1 configuration in DXLabCommander ?
You will need a second CIV connection path for DXLab Commander running in the computer to communicate with the PW1.? Do you have a second CT-18 or other way to connect your computer to the PW1?? See the connection diagram in this article. ? 73, Dave, w6de ? From:[email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of ji8bxb.jj1bcm.shige via groups.io
Sent:?19 March, 2025 23:07 To:[email protected] Subject:?Re: [DXLab] IC-PW1 configuration in DXLabCommander ? Thank you, Dave. ? >Leave the PW1 address at 71 and the 7600 address at 7A. IC-PW1 address at 74(DXLab's “Controlling an Icom PW1 Amplifier” instructs to set the address of IC-PW1 to 74.). IC-7600 address at 7A. ? >With the accessory cable and CIV cables directly connected between the PW1 and the 7600 can you successfully Sync the PW1 and 7600 together? IC-7600 controls IC-PW1 perfectly. ? Shige, JJ1BCM ? |
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On 2025-03-19 10:06 PM, ji8bxb.jj1bcm.shige via groups.io wrote:
Is this connection method not acceptable?No, it is not. For DXLab Suite to control a PW-1 you must use the following configuration: <> 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2025-03-19 10:06 PM, ji8bxb.jj1bcm.shige via groups.io wrote: Dave, W6DE |
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Dave, W6DE
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I forgot to mention in my previous e-mail that I have set the menu “CI-V Transceive ON” on the IC-7600. Otherwise, IC-7600 cannot control IC-PW1. (It is written in the ICOM manual).
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>Now connect your computer to the 7600 and connect your CT-18 up to the 7600 and use DXLab Commander to control the 7600—still ignoring the PW1, don’t connect the 7600 to the PW1 with the accessory or CIV cables.??Can you now control the 7600 from Commander?
IC-7600 ? CT-18 (CI-V interface) ? PC (DXLab Commander), this connection allows DXLab Commander to control IC-7600.
The “Command Interval (ms)” is set to [100]. If it is smaller than that, the CI-V indicator lights up.
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I am using the following connection to use WSJT-X.
IC-7600 ? USB cable ? PC (DXLab Commander), This connection also allows DXLab Commander to control the IC-7600.
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Shige, JJ1BCM
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开云体育You will need a second CIV connection path for DXLab Commander running in the computer to communicate with the PW1.? Do you have a second CT-18 or other way to connect your computer to the PW1?? See the connection diagram in this article. ? 73, Dave, w6de ? From: [email protected]
<[email protected]> On Behalf Of ji8bxb.jj1bcm.shige via groups.io
Sent: 19 March, 2025 23:07 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DXLab] IC-PW1 configuration in DXLabCommander ? Thank you, Dave. ? >Leave the PW1 address at 71 and the 7600 address at 7A. IC-PW1 address at 74(DXLab's “Controlling an Icom PW1 Amplifier” instructs to set the address of IC-PW1 to 74.). IC-7600 address at 7A. ? >With the accessory cable and CIV cables directly connected between the PW1 and the 7600 can you successfully Sync the PW1 and 7600 together? IC-7600 controls IC-PW1 perfectly. ? Shige, JJ1BCM ? |
开云体育Now connect your computer to the 7600 and connect your CT-18 up to the 7600 and use DXLab Commander to control the 7600—still ignoring the PW1, don’t connect the 7600 to the PW1 with the accessory or CIV cables. ?Can you now control the 7600 from Commander? ? 73, Dave, w6de ? From: [email protected]
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Sent: 19 March, 2025 23:07 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DXLab] IC-PW1 configuration in DXLabCommander ? Thank you, Dave. ? >Leave the PW1 address at 71 and the 7600 address at 7A. IC-PW1 address at 74(DXLab's “Controlling an Icom PW1 Amplifier” instructs to set the address of IC-PW1 to 74.). IC-7600 address at 7A. ? >With the accessory cable and CIV cables directly connected between the PW1 and the 7600 can you successfully Sync the PW1 and 7600 together? IC-7600 controls IC-PW1 perfectly. ? Shige, JJ1BCM ? |
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Thank you, Dave.
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>Leave the PW1 address at 71 and the 7600 address at 7A.
IC-PW1 address at 74(DXLab's “Controlling an Icom PW1 Amplifier” instructs to set the address of IC-PW1 to 74.).
IC-7600 address at 7A.
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>With the accessory cable and CIV cables directly connected between the PW1 and the 7600 can you successfully Sync the PW1 and 7600 together?
IC-7600 controls IC-PW1 perfectly.
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Shige, JJ1BCM
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开云体育Leave the PW1 address at 71 and the 7600 address at 7A. ? Your serial number is high enough to allow standby pass through. ? Let’s try this again step by step. ? To ignore the computer and DXLab, disconnect the computer from the 7600.? With the accessory cable and CIV cables directly connected between the PW1 and the 7600 can you successfully Sync the PW1 and 7600 together? ? 73, Dave, w6de ? From: [email protected]
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Sent: 19 March, 2025 03:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DXLab] IC-PW1 configuration in DXLabCommander ? Dave, W6DE ? I do not see where you turn on your computer. + Power is turned on in this order. Regulated Power Supply?IC-7600?PC?Start DXLabCommander? （IC-7600 and DXLabCommander work together.） PC?Start DXLabCommander ?Regulated Power Supply?IC-7600 （IC-7600 and DXLabCommander do not work together.） ? Caution with low serial number PW1s serial numbers below about # 1030 will not operate in standby.??[I don’t remember the actual serial number, check further if it is below 1050.] + The serial number is 1453. When IC-7600 and IC-PW1 are directly connected, they are fully controllable. ? With the PW1 off, disconnect the PW1 to 7600 accessory?cable?also disconnect the PW1 CIV cable. Turn on your computer first then turn on your IC-7600.??Check to see that you can control the 7600 with?DXLabs.? Even if I turn on the power in this order, DXLabCommander does not recognize the IC-7600 and cannot control it. ? Check the CIV speed settings and address for the 7600 primary port.??And while you are there check the secondary port for the PW1.???In Commander’s Configuration you need to have se same speed and CIV address in both the primary and secondary Ports ＋ CIV speed setting was changed to the same speed (9600).Do you want the address to be the same? What is the number? The current address settings are IC-7600=7A, IC-PW1=74. ? ?Connect the 7600 to PW1 accessory cable and CIV cable.? Leave the PW1 alone do not push the PW1 power ON button.??The PW1 will now be in standby mode.? Can you now change bands on the PW1 by changing bands from the 7600 and/or the DXLab applications? + I cannot control IC-PW1 with DXLabCommander. In this state, exit DXLabCommander and turn off the power button on the IC-7600. Next, turn on the power button of the IC-7600 again. Then, start up DXLabCommander. Then the PW1 alert will light up and you can control IC-PW1 using DXLabCommander. ? It is in this state now. ? Shige, JJ1BCM ? |
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On 2025-03-18 11:55 PM, ji8bxb.jj1bcm.shige via groups.io wrote:
PC Start ?Regulated Power Supply?IC-7600 ?Start DXLabCommander This should work since the "COM" port for the IC-7600 will be present by the time Commander attempts to access it. If you are using the USB connection to your IC 7600, the connection (ports) do not exist until the IC7600 is turned on as the USB interface chip is powered by the rig and not by the computer as in the case of most USB devices. This is a failure of *most* rigs as the rig designers ignored the simple design steps to allow the USB Bridge to be powered by either computer or rig (basically a pair of diodes!). DXLab Suite, like most Windows software can not work with USB devices that are not present ("COM" port does not exist) when the software starts. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2025-03-18 11:55 PM, ji8bxb.jj1bcm.shige via groups.io wrote: Dave, W6DE |
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Dave, W6DE
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I do not see where you turn on your computer.
+ Power is turned on in this order.
Regulated Power Supply?IC-7600?PC?Start DXLabCommander?
（IC-7600 and DXLabCommander work together.）
PC?Start DXLabCommander ?Regulated Power Supply?IC-7600
（IC-7600 and DXLabCommander do not work together.）
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Caution with low serial number PW1s serial numbers below about # 1030 will not operate in standby.??[I don’t remember the actual serial number, check further if it is below 1050.]
+ The serial number is 1453.
When IC-7600 and IC-PW1 are directly connected, they are fully controllable.
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With the PW1 off, disconnect the PW1 to 7600 accessory?cable?also disconnect the PW1 CIV cable. Turn on your computer first then turn on your IC-7600.??Check to see that you can control the 7600 with?DXLabs.?
Even if I turn on the power in this order, DXLabCommander does not recognize the IC-7600 and cannot control it.
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Check the CIV speed settings and address for the 7600 primary port.??And while you are there check the secondary port for the PW1.???In Commander’s Configuration you need to have se same speed and CIV address in both the primary and secondary Ports
＋ CIV speed setting was changed to the same speed (9600).Do you want the address to be the same? What is the number?
The current address settings are IC-7600=7A, IC-PW1=74.
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?Connect the 7600 to PW1 accessory cable and CIV cable.? Leave the PW1 alone do not push the PW1 power ON button.??The PW1 will now be in standby mode.? Can you now change bands on the PW1 by changing bands from the 7600 and/or the DXLab applications? + I cannot control IC-PW1 with DXLabCommander. In this state, exit DXLabCommander and turn off the power button on the IC-7600. Next, turn on the power button of the IC-7600 again. Then, start up DXLabCommander. Then the PW1 alert will light up and you can control IC-PW1 using DXLabCommander. ? It is in this state now. ? Shige, JJ1BCM ? |
开云体育I do not see where you turn on your computer. In addition, you say you are turning on and off your 7600 power.? Do not turn on or off your 7600 with the switch on your power supply.? Turn on your power supply first, then push the power button on the 7600 to turn on the 7600.? Turn off your 7600 with the bower button on the 7600 first then turn off your 7600’s power supply. ? Also:? Once the PW1 is connected to the Mains AC power, the PW1 is always on and asleep.? The power button on the PW1 control panel turns on the PW1 ability to amplify the radio signals.? In addition with the Accessory cable connected between an Icom Radio and the PW1, then turning on the Icom Radio will place the PW1 in stand by and allow the Icom Radio to make antenna selections and allow the Icom Radio to operate “barefoot” through the PW1.? Caution with low serial number PW1s serial numbers below about # 1030 will not operate in standby.? [I don’t remember the actual serial number, check further if it is below 1050.] ? Here are some diagnostic steps to help see what is happening: With the PW1 off, disconnect the PW1 to 7600 accessory cable also disconnect the PW1 CIV cable. Turn on your computer first then turn on your IC-7600.? Check to see that you can control the 7600 with DXLabs.? If this does not work you need to fix your Commander 7600’s Configuration. ?Check the CIV speed settings and address for the 7600 primary port.? And while you are there check the secondary port for the PW1. ??In Commander’s Configuration you need to have se same speed and CIV address in both the primary and secondary Ports—see: ? If you can do the previous test, shut down the 7600 with the 7600 power button.? Connect the 7600 to PW1 accessory cable and CIV cable.? Leave the PW1 alone do not push the PW1 power ON button.? The PW1 will now be in standby mode.? Can you now change bands on the PW1 by changing bands from the 7600 and/or the DXLab applications? ? If the first or second test fails. You will need to resync your PW1 to your 7600 radio as described in the PW1 manual.? You need a direct PW1 to 7600 CIV connection to do this—do not use the computer CIV connections in this PW1 to 7600 Sync operation.? ? Until you can control the PW1 in standby you do not have a reliable CIV between your 7600 and PW1.? And you will not be able to reliably use DXLab and commander to control your PW1. ? 73, Dave, w6de ? From: [email protected]
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Sent: 18 March, 2025 05:34 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DXLab] IC-PW1 configuration in DXLabCommander ? Dave, AA6YQ ? I have not yet received a response from ICOM, but I am beginning to understand the conditions when IC-PW1 becomes uncontrollable. ? 1, I have tried changing the USB port that connects the CI-V interface of the IC-PW1 to the PC, or changing the interface cable. it seems that the IC-PW1 becomes controllable in more cases, but not 100% controllable.
? I wish I had a clue how to solve this problem, but this is what I can confirm now. ? Shige, JJ1BCM |