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Manny:

Unfortunately it looks like the days of the great SD40-2 have ended for
unit coal service. The last SD40s on 800 series coal trains I saw were
in 1995, back when the 9500 AC4400s were new and didn't have the
locotrol systems installed yet. Unit sulfur trains operated into 1997
with the SD 40s but have since converted to techno toasters as well.

I have noticed on the car trace that very occassionally SD 9043s are
mixed in to coal consists. I believe this is just a test situation and
since you didn't want test information I left it out the first time.

Doug

--- Manny Jacob <railbus@...> wrote:

From: "Manny Jacob" <railbus@...>

Hi Doug,

Thanks for the useful information, much appreciated!
One final question though.

Can we consider the age of exclusive SD40-2s on coal
trains to be behind us now?
=(

Or does it still happen on occasion?

Manny

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To all interested, (and if your not, please just 'delete' it!)

"We will be moving a Ringling Brothers and Barnum and Bailey Circus
train
(54 cars) across the territory from Romford to Pembroke on Tuesday June
22nd. It will likely go through North Bay in the evening stopping for a

crew change only.

The return trip will be going through North Bay likely in the evening on

June 28th. We will be using CP power. Should be an interesting site."

I received this info this morning from the GM RaiLink-Ottawa Valley. A
little sketchy but if I get any thing else on it, I will pass it along!
You can contact me of list if you prefer!

I cross posted because there has been a lot of interest shown in this. I
thought it would be informational to quite a few people!

Drew
--
Drew Toner, Mechanical Supervisor,
Pauline Larocque, Toy Poodles,
mailto:keiko@...

Hi folks!


Check out the lead units on all the trains from/to Parry Sound sub at
Romford today!




. . . and the weather is great today here in Sudbury!


Wayne




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These units seem to be assigned to the StL&H, as I see them a lot in
Binghamton (on the D&H) and in Little Ferry (on the NYS&W).
Bruce

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From: Bill Miller <bmiller@...>
To: C-P-R@...
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] 5767/5863/5911
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 7:50 PM

From: Bill Miller <bmiller@...>

At 06:12 PM 5/26/1999 -0400, you wrote:

From: "Manny Jacob" <railbus@...>

Are SD40-2s 5767, 5863 and 5911 still in the large multimark paint? I

guess these

are the last three so-painted units in revenue service eh?

This is correct.



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Canadian Pacific In The Maritimes-Circa-1955
Fan Trip To Norton, N.B. And Saint John, N.B. from Moncton-February 9,
1955
CPR Norton, N.B.
Morning.
At Norton, N.B. 4-4-0 136 was spotted inside CP's one-stall roundhouse
with the weather about 5 below zero. Combination coach (wood)3269 was
pulled up close to the locomotive shed. I then spotted the other railway
(CN) early morning Saint John-Moncton-Charlottetown passenger train
#44(this train number as far as Moncton) then changes to another train
number Moncton-Cape Tormentine before going on ferry to Borden and
Charlottetown)powered by 4-6-2 5273(no feedwater heater).This train
picks up passengers from CPR's Montreal-Saint John train #39 arriving
Saint John Union Station at 0645 which makes connections with CPR's "Bay
of Fundy Service" 4,000 ton "Princess Helene" for Digby, N.S. connecting
with CPR subsidiary Dominion Atlantic passenger trains #98 eastbound
Yarmouth via Digby to Halifax, and westbound Halifax-Yarmouth passenger
#95 usually with 9 cars and powered by G-2 Class 4-6-2's of 2500 and
2600 series. Getting back to CP at Norton, N.B., Nearby was A CP caboose
used by engine and train crews-a home away from home, also a snow plow
and grader. Shortly afterwards 4-4-0 136 backed out of the engine shed,
and coupled onto wood combination coach 3269 and backed to the
station-dead-end tracks for CP. The Norton station is used by both
railways, although owned by CN. CP crews were busy loading mail, express
and some bagge off CN eastbound train #44. CN train #43 passenger from
Moncton to Saint John went westbound earlier. Again express, mail etc.
being loaded. From Moncton, a lot of T-Eaton Company mail-order traffic
being put aboard. All ticketing for CPR is done by the CN agent . At
about 0900 or so 4-4-0 136 with its combination coach departed for
Chipman, about a 44 mile run. Watched this train commencing climbing the
grade out of Norton, with its good sounding whistle and clanging bell
and bellowing lots of steam. Along the way 136 would do local work,
picking up box cars and finally arriving Chipman anything from seven to
eight cars. At Chipman heavier power and more cars on the
mixed-passenger would be added and would continue to the Fredericton
area(South Devon) with a 4-6-0 D-10 Class sometimes a 1100 series even
to a 2-8-2 of 5200 series. Other 4-4-0s 29 and 144 being maintained at
Chipman.

Saint John, N.B.
February 9, 1955.
Late Morning.
Bay Shore Yard-West St. John.
* Symbol denotes steam with Tuscan Red-Grey-Gold-Black paint scheme.
Locomotives observed either inside or outside roundhouse:
4-6-0 431, Heavy 4-6-2 *2332(Smoke Deflectors), semi-streamlined heavy
4-6-2 *2394, light 4-6-2 2629, 2-8-0 yard engines 3641, 3692, 2-8-2's
5321, 5354(12 wheel tender)5357. Not too much steam inside roundhouse.
Latest new power operating into the Saint John area east of McAdam-Light
modern 4-6-2's 1227, 1267 both freight, 2-8-2's 5178, 5179, 5188, 5388,
light modern 4-6-2 1225. Note 2-8-2 5388 from Western lines. 2-8-0 yard
engine 3692 new.
Presently light modern 4-6-2 1267 being assigned to Boston-Saint John
"Gull" from Vanceboro, Maine and return(passenger)replacing
1255(normally 1256). Locomotive 1255 supposed to be in McAdam or
Montreal Angus Shops for repairs. light 4-6-2 2629 assigned to
Fredericton-Saint John local passenger replacing light 4-6-2 2621. 2-8-0
yard engine 3632 former Glen coach yards witcher at Montreal. 2-8-0
switcher 3692 ex Cote St. Luc Yard Montreal yard engine. 2-8-2 in New
Brunswick ex Cote St. Luc Montreal assigned locomotive. Believe 2-8-2
5178 ex oil-burner from B.C. later years converted to coal-burner.
Ocean Terminals West St. John, N.B.
Canadian Pacific Steamship's 19,000 ton Trans-Atlantic liner "Empress of
Australia"(2nd) in from Liverpool, England, plus CPS 10,000 ton
express-cargo liner "Beaverlake" in from London, England and European
Continent. CPR very busy this winter at West St. John yards area and
ocean terminals. Following yard engines observed at Bay Shore Yards,
West St. John:
2-8-0's 3632, 3638, 3641, 3692, 3700, 3742, 3738, 3750, 3753, heavy
0-8-0's 6600, 6602. Other 0-8-0's 6928, 6936, 6935. A number of these
yard engines work back and forth from West St. John Ocean Terminals and
Bay Shore yard, Lancaster Yard and transfers to downtown Saint John and
east to Island Yard at East Saint John.

Lancaster-just west of downtown Saint John.
Canadian Pacific Steamship's "Empress Special" from Montreal to West St.
John Ocean Terminals-passengers for CPS "Empress of Australia" departure
for Liverpool, England. On the power end:
Semi-streamlined 2-8-2 5454 with a total of 11 cars. Mail and express
special arrived earlier for Empress of Australia.
A number of yard engines working Lancaster Yard.

Back at Bay Shore Yard-West St. John
Freight arriving from west: 2-8-2 5215
Freight arriving from west 2-8-2 5323
Freight outbound-westbound double-header-2-8-2 5354-semi-streamlined
2-8-2 5454
Freight outbound -westbound double-header-Heavy 4-6-2*2332-2-8-2 5357.
Total 50 cars.
All power runs west as far as McAdam, N.B.
Usually all freight westbound out of Bay Shore are assisted by a a
pusher-helper.
Mixed Passenger arriving off "Shore Line" from Bonny River-4-6-0
491-five box cars and wood combination-coach. A station located next to
roundhouse.
To Be Continued.
Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

Hi Doug,

Thanks for the useful information, much appreciated! One final question though.

Can we consider the age of exclusive SD40-2s on coal trains to be behind us now?
=(

Or does it still happen on occasion?

Manny

At 18:53 26/05/99 -0400, you wrote:

From: "Paul Bloxham" <pbloxham@...>

The CPR makes a big mess with a train in Chelmsford, ON, and not a single
word is mentioned about it here? What a sorry excuse for a CPR list this
one is. :)

Well, thankfully, it wasn't really that big of a deal at all. It happened
and the majority of it cleaned up before much could be said. The details
were posted elsewhere previously and on this list after your post.

As for me, lately health and other "life" happenings have had priority, so
sorry for no hoopla from Mile 77.

(Don't fret. I'm not saying you were directing it at me.)

:)


Stay safe!

Wayne

Full Text of Decision


30261
SERVICE DATE - MAY 26, 1999

DO

FR-4915-00-P

DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

Surface Transportation Board

[STB Finance Docket No. 33742]

Dakota, Missouri Valley & Western Railroad, Inc.--Lease and Operation
Exemption--Canadian
Pacific Railway

Dakota, Missouri Valley & Western Railroad, Inc., a Class III rail
carrier, has filed a notice of
exemption under 49 CFR 1150.41 to lease and operate approximately 58.41
miles of rail line
from Canadian Pacific Railway between milepost 264.37, at Oakes, and
milepost 205.96, at
Hankinson, in Dickey, Sargent and Richland Counties, ND.

The transaction is scheduled to be consummated on or after the May 19,
1999 effective date of
the exemption.

If the notice contains false or misleading information, the exemption is
void ab initio. Petitions to
revoke the exemption under 49 U.S.C. 10502(d) may be filed at any time.
The filing of a petition
to revoke does not automatically stay the transaction.

An original and 10 copies of all pleadings, referring to STB Finance
Docket No. 33742, must be
filed with the Surface Transportation Board, Office of the Secretary,
Case Control Unit, 1925 K
Street, N.W., Washington, DC 20423-0001. In addition, a copy of each
pleading must be served
on Kevin M. Sheys, Esq., Oppenheimer Wolff Donnelly & Bayh, LLP, 1350
Eye Street, N.W.,
Suite 200, Washington, DC 20005-3324.

Board decisions and notices are available on our website at
"WWW.STB.DOT.GOV."

Decided: May 19, 1999.

By the Board, David M. Konschnik, Director, Office of Proceedings.



Vernon A. Williams

Secretary

At 06:12 PM 5/26/1999 -0400, you wrote:

From: "Manny Jacob" <railbus@...>

Are SD40-2s 5767, 5863 and 5911 still in the large multimark paint? I guess these
are the last three so-painted units in revenue service eh?

This is correct.



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The CPR makes a big mess with a train in Chelmsford, ON, and not a single
word is mentioned about it here? What a sorry excuse for a CPR list this
one is. :)

Anyway, as a result of the derailment CPR detoured some trains over CN
between Boyne and Oba and between Boyne and Thunder Bay.

PSB

Are SD40-2s 5767, 5863 and 5911 still in the large multimark paint? I guess these
are the last three so-painted units in revenue service eh?

Manny Jacob
Kitchener, Ont.

"Manny's CP Rail SD40-2 site" ...

well, not much really to say about it.
about 12 - 13 cars jumped the track about 3:30 - 4:00 in the morning,
looking mostly from the photos of the news, mostly empty center beam flats
were involved. some landing within about 50 feet from some people's homes!!.
don't know much else about it, didn't really get a chance to venture out
there for photos. Take care guys
Tom Sajnovic

Bill Miller wrote:

From: Bill Miller <bmiller@...>

At 03:12 PM 5/24/1999 -0400, you wrote:

From: Doug Hately <cprnut@...>

Eastbound today at lunchtime at Bowmanville were the trucks and frame
for a new GM locomotive. I presume these are bound to Super Steel
in Schnectady. Anyone verify??

Likely. All the CP parts should be in Ogden by now. You likely saw the same cars I did Saturday night here on 512. There was one upside-down frame and about six trucks on three flats ??

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Yes-- these were the same cars as Bill Saw. They were on the head end
and I should have recorded the power (2 SD-40s and a SOO SD-60).
On another note, I see those SD-60s weigh 3000 lbs less than an SD40-2.
Are they on a longer frame or do they just look like it because the hood
is longer??
Doug Hately

From: "Manny Jacob" <railbus@...

Barring any tests, what is the default coal car for >British Columbia

coal trains

at the time?

The normal car for most unit coal trains is still the CPR style bathtub
coal hopper in the 3 height versions. These cars are usually not sorted
into groups based on the height variations. Depending on the
customer's requirements the cars will be CP or Procor. These are black
with multimark, black without multimark, action red (covered in coal
dust so red is usually hard to pick out), or in the case of the Procor
cars, black with white Procor lettering and dimi data. Usually the
Procor sets operate as one complete train but there are instances where
the odd Procor car is mixed in with the CP sets.

There is at least one unique set of Johnstown aluminum cars with ALMX
reporting marks, leased from the Transisco Railway company. These are
aluminum in colour with yellow rotary ends and black ends on the other
side.

Another Procor set operates with the Johnstown Areoflow cars (no
external ribs are visible) with UNPX reporting marks. These are also
aluminum with yellow rotary ends and black on the other.

I have been noticing that there are a few old style coal cars mixed in
various sets and these cars look like the rebuilt bathtubs that the
Sultran sulfur trains are using. These old cars carry CP reporting
marks without any titles or multimarks and look pretty much the worse
for wear.

Last year there was a set of SOO coal cars looking like the Johnstown
coal porters in BC coal service. These cars where black with white
markings and a white stripe to mark the rotary end. I don't think
these where actually the Johnstown cars.

As well, what is the normal motive power >configuration for these

trains at this

present time?

Normally loaded coal trains operate 2 head end and one mid train slave
AC4400's (west of Golden, B.C.) in the 9500 or 9600 series. Perhaps
someone can correct this information for trains on the Windemere sub
(south of Golden)

Empties operate often without the midtrain slave or have it moved to
the front. Another common summer configuration is for only one AC4400
on the point with a single midtrain slave. I believe this varies
according to the power balance between Roberts bank and the mines.


Thanks

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Hi folks!,

Seems after a bit of a lul in "big power", AC traction activity is back up
on the Mactier/Parry Sound sub.

See the lineup for today (May 26) on Mile 77 and check out trains 401, 407,
403, 404, 406 and 412.




Also, with the brake probs fixed, more 90MACs are showing up (leading).

In a way, I like the little gaps when the power reverts back to the
SD40-2s. Keeps it from getting boring and help keep from taking the new AC
stuff for granted.


Enjoy the trains, but above all, stay safe!

Wayne



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Canadain Pacific Railway, Lakes District
Mile 77, Cartier Subdivision

Mile 77 website:
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At 23:16 25/05/99 -0700, you wrote:

From: G Sherwood <cnylen@...>

Seems CP 9648 has had it's front door replaced with a door from the first
batch GE's or some one placed the wrong decal on the nose .It now reads Cb


Greg Sherwood

Thanks for the warning Greg! :)

Wayne





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Wayne Regaudie
Sudbury, Ontario Canada
mailto:regaudie@...

Canadain Pacific Railway, Lakes District
Mile 77, Cartier Subdivision

Mile 77 website:
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Seems CP 9648 has had it's front door replaced with a door from the first
batch GE's or some one placed the wrong decal on the nose .It now reads Cb


Greg Sherwood

I see there is a 9000 on an 800 series train in BC ......... this would be a coal train, but are bulk trains of any sort not the almost exclusive domain of GE's any more ??



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