Birdies are nothing new.? I had a Heath HW-16 "way back when".?
The receiver section was a dual conversion superhet.? The second
oscillator tuned from 1.9 to 2.15 Mhz.? The 10th harmonic turned
up on the 15 meter band.
Gerry Sherman
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On 2023-06-20 13:03, stone_ridge_road
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Not just homebrew ... any receiver with a high level mixer.
Here is the description that Elecraft gave for their "SIG RMV"
function to eliminate harmonically generated birdies:
" 'SIG RMV' is a function we created that
shifts both the BFO and VFO by the same small amount in order
to shift a spur out of the passband.
The reason this is effective for many spurs is because they're
the product of harmonics of the signal sources, not the
fundamentals. For example, you may hear a spur that results
from mixing of the 3rd harmonic of the VFO beating against the
9th harmonic of the BFO (any combination is possible). That's
the nature of high-level mixers in superhet transceivers.
SIG RMV shifts the VFO and BFO by the same amount *at their
fundamentals*, but the spurs end up shifted by a multiple of
this amount. Using the previous example, a 100 Hz shift at the
fundamental might shift the VFO 300 Hz and the BFO 900 Hz.
(Often the multiples are much higher -- I've seen them up to
21.) Doing this often moves the spur out of the passband,
while having an insignificant effect on the filter center
frequency (these are fixed because of the crystal filters)."
It is of course possible to have other internally generated
sources of unwanted signals, but if the birdie being heard sounds
like a chirp instead of a tone when you tune across it, it's
because the birdie is actually moving as you tune and it is caused
by the condition described above.? And as mentioned above, the
birdies themselves are virtually unavoidable because of the very
strong BFO signal necessary to get high dynamic range out of a
mixer.? The mixer needs to act as close to a perfect switch as
possible.? The birdies WILL get created, but this technique deals
with them effectively so they aren't a bother.
As somebody just mentioned, I suppose that it would be possible to
calculate where such birdies would be found and create a hash
table of VFO and BFO shifts to pre-emptively deal with them.?
Elecraft didn't do that ... they just created a procedure where
the user could manually set up the shift for any birdie that was
problematic.? When I did the procedure on my K3, I found that
sometimes a shift in one direction was better than a shift in the
other direction ... I don't know if that would be easy to
predict.? And as Elecraft says above, any combination of harmonics
is possible so it could end up being an unnecessarily large hash
table since not all possible combinations might be a nuisance.? In
any case it was a simple matter to do it manually.
73,
Dave?? AB7E
On 6/19/2023 11:20 PM, HA3HZ wrote:
The question is, has the description of this feature been
published somewhere?
It would really be a big help, since all home brew sdr have
these birds.
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Gyula HA3HZ