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I have an Elecraft K3, which normally is prone to quite a few birdies ... some strong enough to be troublesome at the S3 or even S4 level.? They are the natural result of having a very strong LO signal for the mixer in order to get good dynamic range.?? True internally generated birdies can be identified by the fact that they move more quickly as you tune across them.? Rearranging cables was an early minor help, but eventually Elecraft came up with a very clever software technique that they implemented with the "SIG RMV" menu function.?? If I remember correctly, it works by digitally shifting both the LO and the IF frequency for each birdie ... the birdie is still there but it gets shifted out of the audible passband.? It was necessary to find each birdie and manually set that shift (you set both the direction and amount of shift) for each birdie, but it works great.
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I can't see an obvious reason why that wouldn't work for the V2. 73, Dave?? AB7E On 6/19/2023 12:30 PM, ajparent1/kb1gmx wrote:
I had and still have on the DE version any frequency xxxx50.00khz (all bands) or so |
Fascinating idea.? ?Not that hard to code.? ?Instead of a fixed 1st LO, as the user dials in different frequencies, the software makes calculations to adjust the LO in linearly interpolated sliding manner to avoid combinations that yield birdies at the frequency requested by the user.? ? I would never have thought of that myself, but if there are distinct birdies that can be easily computed, then writing software?to skirt them going toward and away from that frequency shouuldn't be too difficult.? ? Thanks for passing along the tip! gordon kx4z On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 2:20?AM HA3HZ <gyula@...> wrote: The question is, has the description of this feature been published somewhere? |
I was bird hunting on the uBITX v6 a little over a year ago. This thread is akin to how I handled what I labeled as "stage 1" birdies.
/g/BITX20/message/92588 It wasn't obvious (to me) if the IF shift needed could be calculated and applied.? Sure, I can manually switch it when I hear the bridie, after my ears settle a bit. This experiment lost my time priority, but was going to script a sweep in each of the bands (no antenna) at a low step size and and measure the peak audio frequency and level. Thinking with a graph of the data that the solution may become more obvious.? On the sBITX, it could more easily be handled in a hash table on the pi and a routine added to build that hash table.?? Rgds, Gary |
开云体育Interesting idea, and it turns out that Hans of QRPLabs implemented something related in his QMX transceiver, which he presented at QRP ARCI Four Days in May recently prior to the 2023 Hamvention near Dayton, OH. In the case of the QMX, there is a switching supply that potentially can produce birdies, so Hans nudges the primary switching supply frequency to move the harmonics when encountered a smidge (that's a technical term :-) ) to shift them out of the passband. 73, -- Dave, N8SBE On 2023-06-20 08:19, Gary Anderson wrote:
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开云体育Dave, the switch mode freq shift I proposed to "powers that be", there is a chip where the frequency can shifted by a control.? I was imagining a spectrum display where the PS burp stay sliding constant irrespective tuning and jump back to the original burp spot. I was impressed with the possibility. Raj
On 20/06/2023 7:11 PM, Dave New, N8SBE
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开云体育Not just homebrew ... any receiver with a high level mixer. Here is the description that Elecraft gave for their "SIG RMV" function to eliminate harmonically generated birdies: " 'SIG RMV' is a function we created that shifts both the BFO and VFO by the same small amount in order to shift a spur out of the passband. The reason this is effective for many spurs is because they're the product of harmonics of the signal sources, not the fundamentals. For example, you may hear a spur that results from mixing of the 3rd harmonic of the VFO beating against the 9th harmonic of the BFO (any combination is possible). That's the nature of high-level mixers in superhet transceivers. SIG RMV shifts the VFO and BFO by the same amount *at their fundamentals*, but the spurs end up shifted by a multiple of this amount. Using the previous example, a 100 Hz shift at the fundamental might shift the VFO 300 Hz and the BFO 900 Hz. (Often the multiples are much higher -- I've seen them up to 21.) Doing this often moves the spur out of the passband, while having an insignificant effect on the filter center frequency (these are fixed because of the crystal filters)." It is of course possible to have other internally generated sources of unwanted signals, but if the birdie being heard sounds like a chirp instead of a tone when you tune across it, it's because the birdie is actually moving as you tune and it is caused by the condition described above.? And as mentioned above, the birdies themselves are virtually unavoidable because of the very strong BFO signal necessary to get high dynamic range out of a mixer.? The mixer needs to act as close to a perfect switch as possible.? The birdies WILL get created, but this technique deals with them effectively so they aren't a bother. As somebody just mentioned, I suppose that it would be possible to calculate where such birdies would be found and create a hash table of VFO and BFO shifts to pre-emptively deal with them.? Elecraft didn't do that ... they just created a procedure where the user could manually set up the shift for any birdie that was problematic.? When I did the procedure on my K3, I found that sometimes a shift in one direction was better than a shift in the other direction ... I don't know if that would be easy to predict.? And as Elecraft says above, any combination of harmonics is possible so it could end up being an unnecessarily large hash table since not all possible combinations might be a nuisance.? In any case it was a simple matter to do it manually. 73, Dave?? AB7E On 6/19/2023 11:20 PM, HA3HZ wrote:
The question is, has the description of this feature been published somewhere? |
开云体育Birdies are nothing new.? I had a Heath HW-16 "way back when".? The receiver section was a dual conversion superhet.? The second oscillator tuned from 1.9 to 2.15 Mhz.? The 10th harmonic turned up on the 15 meter band. Gerry Sherman Sent by the Windows 11 Thunderbird On 2023-06-20 13:03, stone_ridge_road
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