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Re: unusual tap
bbftx
Rich,
Here's a place that has all sorts of weird taps> B Flint --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Richard Kleinhenz <woodnpen@o...> wrote: Would anyone know where I can find an M9x0.5 metric tap? I checkedMSC, J&L and Travers, I don't think any of the std places would have this. Is there someone specializing in out of the ordinary taps liek this?
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unusual tap
Richard Kleinhenz
Would anyone know where I can find an M9x0.5 metric tap? I checked MSC, J&L and Travers, I don't think any of the std places would have this. Is there someone specializing in out of the ordinary taps liek this?
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Re: cutting speeds
Bril Flint
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Definitely try HSS, as an experiment for your own education under your own shop circumstances if nothing else. HSS just seems more forgiving to me, and I get better results since I haven't seemed to crack the "carbide code" yet. HSS will wear faster, but for me, that's a small price to pay for better, more consistent results. B Flint ----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Kleinhenz To: 7x12minilathe@... Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Re: cutting speeds Thank you both, looks like I am in the ballpark, in general. Maybe I need to try HSS rather than carbide inserts. m -- Regards, Rich ======================================== Richard Kleinhenz mailto:woodnpen@... ======================================== To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: 7x12minilathe-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
just got a lathe
I'm a retired engineer in the milwaukee area. Just bought a mini
lathe from Frank who has a booth at 7 mile fair. I think its the same as the Homeier unit. I'm new at actually cutting metal, although I've had model makers build me things for years. I bought Joe Martin's book on Tabletop Machining. Turning metal to size is not too hard. When the tool comes, we'll see if i can cut inside threads. I'd love to hear from others in the milwaukee area and could use immediate advice on where to get small amoounts of material to turn Thanks mike Aita 414 962 1878 |
Re: cutting speeds
lomahoney55
Relative newbie chiming in here. I've had a bunch of experience with
this lately, turning some 1 inch Al down to 0.5 inch in the center of a shaft. I'm finding that these 7x12s can hog out up to 0.020 inch with either a HSS or a cemented carbide bit, but the finish is not very good. I use this for a roughing cut to remove a lot of material quickly. The speed is about at the 9:30+- position in the LOW range using a slow and even hand feed on the carraige. Then, back off the bit and skin off 0.001 or 0.002 on each pass with the speed dial about 12:00-1:00 until I arrive at my final diameter. I find I can get a good finish with the carbide bits, a better finish with a sharpened HSS. Patience is the key. Dry or lubed with TapMagic seems to make no difference on the Al. Finish it off with emory cloth (s). Another Yahoo group recommended using polish while the piece is still on the lathe, but I haven't gotten that far yet. In general, I'm not too pleased with the commercial carbide bits, but I think they are cheapy Enco bits. If I buy carbides in the future, I'm going to buy some top quality ones and see how they do. Larry New Orleans --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Ed Paradis" <eparadis@a...> wrote: Rich, I wouldn't say that the speeds are totaly inappropriate forthe 7x's, but I would use them as a general guide. For most steels, Ispeeds, typically 10:00 to 1:00 on the dial. The finish is more of aup the machine (around 11:00 to 01:00 for steel, 01:00 to 05:00 forAl) and manually advance the carriage. I always use some form of lube,piece and I'm usually pretty happy with the result. I keep some stripsof 400 grit wet/dry close by to polish a little while rotating also(be careful it doesn't pull you in). The finish is generally betteralso if you use a more blunt or rounded radius on the toolbit with lightwhat feels right.steer1/2" 1018 steel. Where should I be approximately? I have an me in the right direction? Should I always apply cutting oil? HowWhat dial setting appr.? It seems easier to take a heftier cut than a |
Re: cutting speeds
Ed Paradis
Rich, I wouldn't say that the speeds are totaly inappropriate for the
7x's, but I would use them as a general guide. For most steels, I generally run at a lower speed, typically between 9:00 and 11:00 on the dial (in low range), and with aluminium, I run at higher speeds, typically 10:00 to 1:00 on the dial. The finish is more of a function of how deep you're cutting and the type of toolbit you're using. I use predominatly carbide (brazed/cemented & inserts) and get a pretty decent finish. On the roughing cuts, I'll go anywhere from about .015 to .020 on steel, as much as .050 on Al. I let the machine tell me when I'm a little too aggressive, usually groans or chatters if I'm taking too much (or stalls when it hogs in)... For my finishing cuts, I generally only go .001 - .002 deep and speed up the machine (around 11:00 to 01:00 for steel, 01:00 to 05:00 for Al) and manually advance the carriage. I always use some form of lube, usually "tapmagic", applied with a small brush to the rotating piece and I'm usually pretty happy with the result. I keep some strips of 400 grit wet/dry close by to polish a little while rotating also (be careful it doesn't pull you in). The finish is generally better also if you use a more blunt or rounded radius on the toolbit with light cuts rather than a sharp pointed one, in my experience. Ed --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Richard Kleinhenz <woodnpen@o...> wrote: I understand that cutting speeds published in the books aregenerally used for large machines, and that they are totally inappropriate for our 'toys'. (I have a 7x12). We should go by what feels right. 1/2" 1018 steel. Where should I be approximately? I have an inexpensive indexable toolset from LMS. The surfaces I get are nothing to write home about... Can anyone with some experience steer me in the right direction? Should I always apply cutting oil? How much to remove in a pass? What speed? I am on the low range. What dial setting appr.? It seems easier to take a heftier cut than a small cut... something seems wrong ;-) Is there something like a lower limit for a lathe cut? bushings I make, but I sure would like to do it better eventually.
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Re: No longer a wannabe
bflint
Larry,
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For a drill chuck for the mini lathe tailstock, you can't beat Little Machine Shop. They have a an arbor and 1/2 drill chuck for $25. The nice thing about it is that it is a shortened arbor that fits in the mini lathe tailstock. Most MT2 arbors out there need to be cut off to mount in the short tailstock. LMS also has faceplates and chucks. You might be able to find chucks a couple bucks cheaper elsewhere, but if you're ordering a drill chuck and arbor, you might as well get it all from one place to minimize shipping costs. B Flint ----- Original Message -----
From: <toolroomtrustee@...> To: <7x12minilathe@...> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: [7x12minilathe] No longer a wannabe Who currently has best price on faceplates, 4-jaw chucks, #2MT drill chuck |
Re: cutting speeds
bflint
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I'm getting good results on mild steel like 1018 using HSS tools with no coolant. What type of inserts are you using? I haven't gotten as good results with coated carbide inserts no matter what I seem to try. Carbide generally likes higher speeds and deeper cuts. The HSS inserts from LMS in indexable tool holders have worked well for me, as have ground HSS bits. I'm getting a good finish with relatively light cuts anywhere from .001" up to about.020". For 1/2" diameter, I'd have the dial on my machine about halfway on the low range. Assuming that's about 600 rpm, I think we're talking about 75 feet per minute surface speed, which is well under the recommended max for turning mild steel. I'm also getting better results with steel now that I have completed the JWE compound mods and have a good size QCTP (series 100). It's more massive and more rigid than the stock mini lathe toolposts. You also have to make sure you have the gibs on the cross slide and compound snug. Also, if you're turning a workpiece longer than about 2 or 3x the diameter, you probably need to have the tailstock end supported by a center. Otherwise it will deflect and give you a bad finish. I'm sure other people may use different setups, but that's what has worked best for me. B Flint ----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Kleinhenz" <woodnpen@...> To: <7x12minilathe@...> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: [7x12minilathe] cutting speeds I understand that cutting speeds published in the books are generally usedfor large machines, and that they are totally inappropriate for our 'toys'. (I have a 7x12). We should go by what feels right. steel. Where should I be approximately? I have an inexpensive indexable toolset from LMS. The surfaces I get are nothing to write home about... Can anyone with some experience steer me in the right direction? Should I always apply cutting oil? How much to remove in a pass? What speed? I am on the low range. What dial setting appr.? It seems easier to take a heftier cut than a small cut... something seems wrong ;-) Is there something like a lower limit for a lathe cut? make, but I sure would like to do it better eventually.
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cutting speeds
Richard Kleinhenz
I understand that cutting speeds published in the books are generally used for large machines, and that they are totally inappropriate for our 'toys'. (I have a 7x12). We should go by what feels right.
I am looking for a little guidance here. Say I machine 3/8" or 1/2" 1018 steel. Where should I be approximately? I have an inexpensive indexable toolset from LMS. The surfaces I get are nothing to write home about... Can anyone with some experience steer me in the right direction? Should I always apply cutting oil? How much to remove in a pass? What speed? I am on the low range. What dial setting appr.? It seems easier to take a heftier cut than a small cut... something seems wrong ;-) Is there something like a lower limit for a lathe cut? I get by, because I don't need a good finish on these simple bushings I make, but I sure would like to do it better eventually. Thanks for any pointers! -- Regards, Rich ======================================== Richard Kleinhenz mailto:woodnpen@... ======================================== |
Re: 7x12 Blows Fuses ?
John
Hi Frank,
I also turn speed to zero before using any other control. But I am leery of a failure causing the chuck to move while I have a grip on the key, unlikely as that may be. Note that when I inserted the extra fuse and turned the power on with the speed control set to OFF that the chuck went to full speed for a half second or so before the fuse blew -- this is the type of thing I don't want to happen while I've got a grip on the chuck or the work. Also, I sometimes use the tailstock chuck to start taps and noted that the headstock chuck is more difficult to turn if the power is applied even though the speed control is set to zero -- the big red button fixes this too. Like you, I turn the power completely off when I'm done using the machine. This is good practice because otherwise the lathe's electronics are exposed to line transients from passing T-storms, etc. I wired my shop so all the wall outlets are on one wall switch and the radio is a reminder that ensures I turn it off when leaving. During the summer I will pull the plug as further transient protection. Some further news on the FET failure: I removed the shorted FET and tried the unit with the single remaining FET in place -- it works normally, at least for the short term. I assume it won't run too long this way because the FET will over heat. I did add a number of air holes to the case below the FET heat sink and will monitor the temp while awaiting replacement parts. As a guess about why some controllers last and others fail: if the parallel FET's both conduct the same amount of current while ON then the controller will last but if the FET's are grossly mismatched then one will conduct the bulk of the current and eventually fail -- the time to failure will depend on the degree of mismatch. The replacement IRFP460 FET's have a lower ON resistance than the original 2SK790's so they should dissipate less heat under all circumstances (including mismatched device characteristics). Probably, the 460 FET's would survive if used singly although I will install two to ensure long term viability. John --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Frank Hoose <fhoose@y...> wrote: I don't know for sure if it makes a difference, but Idesktop! |
Re: 7x12 Blows Fuses ?
Richard Albers
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "John" <moran03@e...> wrote:
<Big Snip> Further, I intend to add some holes in the case below the heat sinkI think those holes would just let more chips IN. I don't have any extra holes in there (on my Grizzly 7x12) and have never had a FET fail. Since you will have extra FETs, try it without the holes, first. Just my opinion... RA |
Re: 7x12 Blows Fuses ?
I don't know for sure if it makes a difference, but I
always turn the speed down to zero before switching direction or turning off the lathe. I have not had a FET failure in over 2 years following this procedure and I use my lathe about 10 hours per week or more. I never use the big red button since I power off the lathe from a power strip it is plugged into when I'm done working with it. Frank Hoose --- John <moran03@...> wrote: Hi Chris, ProductID=1221mini lathes and __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! |
No longer a wannabe
Wednesday I was in Chehalis, WA to have lunch date with a woman I met at a
dance. I told her HOMIER was having a sale there and she was pleased to go with me before we had lunch. We got there about 12:30 and they were still sticking stuff on the shelves. Our first pass through I saw a 7x12 lathe out of it's box. A little later we went by again and they had one in the box, I asked a worker if they'd help me get it in my truck, he said yes so I bought it for $299.99. Somebody put it in my truck, I blue tarped it and secured it and off to lunch. Later I cuddled with her leaving only when she had to get ready to have dinner with friends, as I told her, she is a very attractive lady for a guy with a new lathe to prefer to be with her than getting lathe home to clean and set up. I got home, pushed crap around on my workbench and managed to egt it up and then mounted feet and chip tray. Not much grease on it and that was red rather than the usual black gunky grease I have seen or worse the cosmoline found on surplus military rifles. I was careful to put all the paper towel grease wipers in outside garbage. I haven't turned it on yet, may be a few days. Seems a little silly to buy it since I already have a Unimat (originally bought in 1968) and an Enco 9x20 bought 13-14 years ago, But I wanted it. The only thing about buying it today was I had the pleasure today and I saved the $70 or more UPS charges and instead paid $25 sales tax. I had WLS nearly six months ago, had Lasiks eye surgery 12 days ago. I am starting community college after 35 years away from school, I don't need this lathe but i want it. I am already manufacturing rationales for it, one is my youngest brother is gaving me his 1980 Vanagon, now I have a lathe that will fit in it. I'll likely start out using drill chuck from the 9x20 and adapting things as I can. Who currently has best price on faceplates, 4-jaw chucks, #2MT drill chuck arbors? "Have lathe will travel" is the card of a man.... Anyway, I have a 7x 12 and am pleased. Larry Murray |
Lathe Storage
Hi,
On the subject of storing a bench lathe, has anyone come up with a novel way of having a lathe bench and hauling crate combined. I am thinking of perhaps combining the two features so one can use the bottom of the crate for a lathe bench. Also combining features to make it easier to haul up a set of steps by the single user/mover would be really neat too. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Too_many_Tools |
Re: 7x12 Blows Fuses ?
John
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I have already ordered the IRFP460 replacement FET's from an electronics supplier -- they have a minimum $ order so I'll wind up with a LOT of transistors and fuses (in case anyone else runs into the same problem, contact me for a good deal on these items...). Homier is sending a replacement board but it may take up to 2 weeks so I'll probably try to repair the present board in the interim. I found a schematic for the Grizzly 7x12 in the 7x10 group photos section in a folder titled ESC. This confirmed what I had determined from looking at the ckt board: the output FET's are in parallel but they do not use source resistors to ensure equal current sharing. My theory on why my unit failed is that this particular board has 2SK790 FET's from different manufacturers; I suspect that the device characteristics were sufficiently different that they didn't share the current equally causing the device which took the bulk of the current to eventually fail. Others who experience a similar failure might check to see whether both devices have the same manufacturer's logo as a check on my supposition. Also, I had gotten into the habit of putting the fwd/rev switch into the center=off position when fiddling with the chuck, this to ensure that the chuck wouldn't move in the unlikely event of a failure occurring while my hands were in harm's way. I can't decide whether this may have contributed to the failure. Based on examining the schematic I will in the future use the big red button instead of the fwd/rev switch to ensure the chuck can't move -- don't know whether this will help but it certainly won't hurt. Further, I intend to add some holes in the case below the heat sink and to add a spacer to ensure the clear plastic shield is held away from the heat sink so air can circulate past the sink. These holes will also help any metal chips which wander into the electronics enclosure find their way back out. Again, this may not help but it won't hurt. Having had my favorite toy disabled by an electronics failure I'm trying to avoid a repetition. John --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Chris Wood <chrisw@s...> wrote: John:are higher capacity.ProductID=1221 mini mills. 221 E. Walnut St. #110, Pasadena, CA 91101speed. I installed the replacement fuse and , with the speed control inthe OFF position and the tool backed away, the lathe started as if itwas at full speed and the fuse popped again in less than a second.to call me back on Monday. I'm just wondering if this is a commoncontroller which is less prone to failure than the MOSFET types. My ckt boardit allowed speed to be reduced to 12rpm, slower than most referencesin the 7x10 group specify. I did notice that when the speed controlwas in the OFF position that rotating the knob slightly(as alowed while |
Re: Installed a Digital Readout on Lathe
Yes. Zietlowdesign.com should do the trick.
Lee --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "bbftx" <bflint@a...> wrote: Leefrom toZietlow Design off of the internet and got the Quill Kits for theinstallation $250.00.know exactly where your cutter is located on the x and y axis andnothave to make a guess by reading the dials and worring about Iam placing some pictures in the photo section of the installation. |
Re: Installed a Digital Readout on Lathe
Yes. Zietlowdesign.com should do the trick.
Lee --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "bbftx" <bflint@a...> wrote: Leefrom toZietlow Design off of the internet and got the Quill Kits for theinstallation $250.00.know exactly where your cutter is located on the x and y axis andnothave to make a guess by reading the dials and worring about Iam placing some pictures in the photo section of the installation. |
Re: 7x12 Blows Fuses ?
Chris Wood
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It sounds like the MOSFETs have blown. We have replacements that are higher capacity. Regards, Chris Wood LittleMachineShop.com <www.littlemachineshop.com> The premier source of parts and accessories for mini lathes and mini mills. 221 E. Walnut St. #110, Pasadena, CA 91101 (800)981-9663 * Fax (626)584-5844 -----Original Message-----
From: John [mailto:moran03@...] Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:32 AM To: 7x12minilathe@... Subject: [7x12minilathe] 7x12 Blows Fuses ? My 7x12 which is now 2.5 months old popped its fuse shortly after startup Friday, just as I was beginning a parting cut at low speed. I installed the replacement fuse and , with the speed control in the OFF position and the tool backed away, the lathe started as if it was at full speed and the fuse popped again in less than a second. This is a relatively new unit so I called Homier and they promised to call me back on Monday. I'm just wondering if this is a common problem; my understanding is the Homiers use an SCR based controller which is less prone to failure than the MOSFET types. My ckt board has a sticker with FC250J/110V and the large power devices are identified as K790 -- the board uses surface mount devices except for power handling which are thru-hole. Anybody have more info on the Homier controller? Up until this happened I was very happy with the controller since it allowed speed to be reduced to 12rpm, slower than most references in the 7x10 group specify. I did notice that when the speed control was in the OFF position that rotating the knob slightly(as alowed while OFF) made the chuck would move slightly and groan a bit. Since it seems to be live even while OFF I always turn the wall outlet off after use. John To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: 7x12minilathe-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
Re: Installed a Digital Readout on Lathe
John
Check this address, it may be what you want:
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "bbftx" <bflint@a...> wrote: Leefrom toZietlow Design off of the internet and got the Quill Kits for theinstallation $250.00.know exactly where your cutter is located on the x and y axis andnothave to make a guess by reading the dials and worring about Iam placing some pictures in the photo section of the installation. |
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