YAAC and Direwolf interfacing
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Hi Joe, A digirig would work but it is way more than you need and may not work the way you want (PTT). I have a TM-V71A running YAAC and direwolf (1.6) on a Pi400 and I use a simple USB sound card connected to the DATA port for audio I/O, and a USB Serial cable to the PC port. When you put the radio into Echolink mode, it disables the Serial CAT protocol on the PC port but RTS in becomes PTT on the DATA BAND only. YAAC is connected to direworlf via the AGWPE port. If you need more details I'll send you my config files. 73 Danny, K5CG HH 550-0609 SKCC 14257 From: "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@...> To: "yaac-users" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 12:15:25 PM Subject: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing HI all
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I have been running yaac for a long time with a TNC-Pi2 on my rpi3 and a Kenwood TMD710G.? I have recently had to ditch the tnc and have been looking at replacing it with direwolf.? ?I have a working configuration using direwolf 1.7 and a digirig into my Baofeng handheld.? I want to make this work with my kenwood mobile TMd710G.? I am thinking that most of my current configuration will work. I don't think that my digirig would work.? I have read somewhere that I need to setup an AGWPE port.? ?Can anyone help please?
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Joe VA3TV
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Hi Joe, The default direwolf configuration should listen on both ports 8000 (AGWPE) and 8001 for KISS. In YAAC, all you need to do is choose the option you want, and set the hostname and port in the fields Attached a couple screenshots of my AGWPE and KISS configurations: KISS: AGWPE: Note that DireWolf will only send to KISS/AGWPE what it hears over RF *only*. If another AGWPE/KISS client connects and sends, OR if DireWolf is configured as an iGate, these messages will not be relayed into YAAC by default. To do so, you would need to add a configuration like this to direwolf.conf: ICHANNEL 15 # Define an internal direwolf channel 15 which should receive APRS-IS traffic KISSCOPY # Enable copying traffic to/from KISS ports KISSPORT 8001 # Default listener on 8001 KISSPORT 8015 15 # Assign port 8015 to ICHANNEL 15 Then, you can configure a KISS port in YAAC?on this port to hear IS messages forwarded from YAAC. I hope this helps, Joe. Please let me know if you need any clarification on anything. --- One thing I still have not yet figured out, and would appreciate others' expertise here, is a peculiarity I've discovered regardless of if I have DireWolf or YAAC or Both configured as iGates: When sending some messages to a station not in range of me, the station correctly routes the ACK to my station via IS, however when YAAC receives this reply (and TX is turned off on the IS port), the ACK over RF is sent without the original message's?digipeater path, leading to a situation where my station won't acknowledge messages heard via RF. I'm not sure if this is a knob I need to turn (or make) in YAAC or DireWolf or both, but it definitely feels like I'm missing something... To elaborate further, I primarily want to use RF instead of IS, but if a message ack is heard over IS, either respond via IS to the ack *or* (preferably) use the same digipeater path to acknowledge the message as it was sent with. 73, Neil N1HAN On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 1:15?PM Joseph LaFerla via <joe=[email protected]> wrote:
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Hi Neil
I tried opening a kiss over tcp port following your example but when I tried to create the port, the attempt fails with a java connection refused message.? Do I have to hae direwolf running at the same time?? I get the same result trying agwpe.? I don't have
direwolf running at the moment.
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Neil Hanlon <neil@...>
Sent: November 30, 2024 15:51 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing ?
Hi Joe,
The default direwolf configuration should listen on both ports 8000 (AGWPE) and 8001 for KISS. In YAAC, all you need to do is choose the option you want, and set the hostname and port in the fields Attached a couple screenshots of my AGWPE and KISS configurations: KISS:
AGWPE: Note that DireWolf will only send to KISS/AGWPE what it hears over RF *only*. If another AGWPE/KISS client connects and sends, OR if DireWolf is configured as an iGate, these messages will not be relayed into YAAC by default. To do so, you would need to
add a configuration like this to direwolf.conf:
ICHANNEL 15 # Define an internal direwolf channel 15 which should receive APRS-IS traffic
KISSCOPY # Enable copying traffic to/from KISS ports
KISSPORT 8001 # Default listener on 8001 KISSPORT 8015 15 # Assign port 8015 to ICHANNEL 15 Then, you can configure a KISS port in YAAC?on this port to hear IS messages forwarded from YAAC.
I hope this helps, Joe. Please let me know if you need any clarification on anything.
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One thing I still have not yet figured out, and would appreciate others' expertise here, is a peculiarity I've discovered regardless of if I have DireWolf or YAAC or Both configured as iGates: When sending some messages to a station not in range of me, the station correctly routes the ACK to my station via IS, however when YAAC receives this reply (and TX is turned off on the IS port), the ACK over RF is sent without
the original message's?digipeater path, leading to a situation where my station won't acknowledge messages heard via RF. I'm not sure if this is a knob I need to turn (or make) in YAAC or DireWolf or both, but it definitely feels like I'm missing something...
To elaborate further, I primarily want to use RF instead of IS, but if a message ack is heard over IS, either respond via IS to the ack *or* (preferably) use the same digipeater path to acknowledge the message as it was sent
with.
73,
Neil N1HAN
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 1:15?PM Joseph LaFerla via
<joe=[email protected]> wrote:
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Yes. When you try to open one of those ports, YAAC is trying to connect to the software TNC. If the software TNC is not running, there will be nothing for it to connect to. So Direwolf needs to be started _before_ YAAC is started.
Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Joseph LaFerla <joe@...> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 7:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing Hi Neil I tried opening a kiss over tcp port following your example but when I tried to create the port, the attempt fails with a java connection refused message. Do I have to hae direwolf running at the same time? I get the same result trying agwpe. I don't have direwolf running at the moment. ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Neil Hanlon <neil@...> Sent: November 30, 2024 15:51 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing Hi Joe, There are a couple ways to accomplish this. As you mentioned, AGWPE is one option, KISS is another; Direwolf supports both. The default direwolf configuration should listen on both ports 8000 (AGWPE) and 8001 for KISS. In YAAC, all you need to do is choose the option you want, and set the hostname and port in the fields Attached a couple screenshots of my AGWPE and KISS configurations: KISS: [Screenshot_20241130_153458.png] AGWPE: [Screenshot_20241130_153422.png] Note that DireWolf will only send to KISS/AGWPE what it hears over RF *only*. If another AGWPE/KISS client connects and sends, OR if DireWolf is configured as an iGate, these messages will not be relayed into YAAC by default. To do so, you would need to add a configuration like this to direwolf.conf: ICHANNEL 15 # Define an internal direwolf channel 15 which should receive APRS-IS traffic KISSCOPY # Enable copying traffic to/from KISS ports KISSPORT 8001 # Default listener on 8001 KISSPORT 8015 15 # Assign port 8015 to ICHANNEL 15 Then, you can configure a KISS port in YAAC on this port to hear IS messages forwarded from YAAC. I hope this helps, Joe. Please let me know if you need any clarification on anything. --- One thing I still have not yet figured out, and would appreciate others' expertise here, is a peculiarity I've discovered regardless of if I have DireWolf or YAAC or Both configured as iGates: When sending some messages to a station not in range of me, the station correctly routes the ACK to my station via IS, however when YAAC receives this reply (and TX is turned off on the IS port), the ACK over RF is sent without the original message's digipeater path, leading to a situation where my station won't acknowledge messages heard via RF. I'm not sure if this is a knob I need to turn (or make) in YAAC or DireWolf or both, but it definitely feels like I'm missing something... To elaborate further, I primarily want to use RF instead of IS, but if a message ack is heard over IS, either respond via IS to the ack *or* (preferably) use the same digipeater path to acknowledge the message as it was sent with. 73, Neil N1HAN On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 1:15?PM Joseph LaFerla via groups.io<> <joe@...<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: HI all I have been running yaac for a long time with a TNC-Pi2 on my rpi3 and a Kenwood TMD710G. I have recently had to ditch the tnc and have been looking at replacing it with direwolf. I have a working configuration using direwolf 1.7 and a digirig into my Baofeng handheld. I want to make this work with my kenwood mobile TMd710G. I am thinking that most of my current configuration will work. I don't think that my digirig would work. I have read somewhere that I need to setup an AGWPE port. Can anyone help please? Thanks in advance Joe VA3TV |
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Yes Joe, that will work. Now you need to connect that to the radio body by making the cable or with a Kenwood PG-5H cable kit. Connect the sound card jacks to the USB sound card. The DB-9 data goes into a USB serial port on your computer. my direwolf.conf... ADEVICE plughw:2,0 ARATE 48000 CHANNEL 0 MYCALL K5CG MODEM 1200 PTT /dev/ttyUSB0 RTS TXDELAY 30 TXTAIL 10 AGWPORT 8000 KISSPORT 8001 Your details may be different depending on what port your USB sound card and serial port device names show up as (OS dependent).? 73 Danny, K5CG HH 550-0609 SKCC 14257 From: "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@...> To: "yaac-users" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 4:12:22 PM Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing
HI Danny
I just purchased this from amazon.? Hope it works.
Joe
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Danny K5CG via groups.io <k5cg@...>
Sent: November 30, 2024 14:17 To: yaac-users <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing ?
Hi Joe,
A digirig would work but it is way more than you need and may not work the way you want (PTT).
I have a TM-V71A running YAAC and direwolf (1.6) on a Pi400 and I use a simple USB sound card connected to the DATA port for audio I/O, and a USB Serial cable to the PC port.
When you put the radio into Echolink mode, it disables the Serial CAT protocol on the PC port but RTS in becomes PTT on the DATA BAND only.
YAAC is connected to direworlf via the AGWPE port.
If you need more details I'll send you my config files.
73
Danny, K5CG HH 550-0609 SKCC 14257 From: "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@...>
To: "yaac-users" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 12:15:25 PM Subject: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing HI all
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I have been running yaac for a long time with a TNC-Pi2 on my rpi3 and a Kenwood TMD710G.? I have recently had to ditch the tnc and have been looking at replacing it with direwolf.? ?I have a working configuration using direwolf 1.7 and a digirig into
my Baofeng handheld.? I want to make this work with my kenwood mobile TMd710G.? I am thinking that most of my current configuration will work. I don't think that my digirig would work.? I have read somewhere that I need to setup an AGWPE port.? ?Can anyone
help please?
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Thanks in advance
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Joe VA3TV
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You can use a GPIO but it is a terrible idea. If you PTT this radio with the PTT input on the DATA port then it will key the radio on whatever side (A or B) is active. If you use a serial port and the RTS signal on the PC port while the radio is in Echolink mode, it will always only key the side setup for Echolink (even though you are running APRS).
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USB Soundcard --- > DATA Port USB Serial ---> PC Port You can use the Kenwood cable kit or make your own. It's that simple. No GPIO, no transistors needed. 73 Danny, K5CG HH 550-0609 SKCC 14257 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew P. via groups.io" <andrewemt@...> To: "yaac-users" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2024 8:43:25 AM Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing With that particular setup, the DB9 connector had audio ground, Tx audio, Rx audio, and PTT on it (see the TNCPi docs for the pinout). So you need the audio connections to your USB sound card, and the PTT and audio ground to a transistor current amplifier from a GPIO pin on your Pi to be the PTT signal (many circuits out there of how to use an open-collector transistor to keep from frying your Pi chip from overvoltage). Then you tell DireWolf to use the GPIO pin for PTT. No need for the PG-5H serial port cable. ________________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Joseph LaFerla <joe@...> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2024 9:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing Hi Danny I already have a homebrew cable with a miniDin on one end and a DB9 on the other. This was from my old tncpi2. In the old setup, the miniDin plugged into the Kenwood radio and the DB9 into the DB9 socket on the tncpi2. I am still a little unclear how this is all going to connect up in the new configuration. Joe ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Danny K5CG via groups.io <k5cg@...> Sent: November 30, 2024 23:11 To: yaac-users <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing Yes Joe, that will work. Now you need to connect that to the radio body by making the cable or with a Kenwood PG-5H cable kit. Connect the sound card jacks to the USB sound card. The DB-9 data goes into a USB serial port on your computer. my direwolf.conf... ADEVICE plughw:2,0 ARATE 48000 CHANNEL 0 MYCALL K5CG MODEM 1200 PTT /dev/ttyUSB0 RTS TXDELAY 30 TXTAIL 10 AGWPORT 8000 KISSPORT 8001 Your details may be different depending on what port your USB sound card and serial port device names show up as (OS dependent). 73 Danny, K5CG HH 550-0609 SKCC 14257 ________________________________ From: "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@...> To: "yaac-users" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 4:12:22 PM Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing HI Danny I just purchased this from amazon. Hope it works. <> Joe ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Danny K5CG via groups.io <k5cg@...> Sent: November 30, 2024 14:17 To: yaac-users <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing Hi Joe, A digirig would work but it is way more than you need and may not work the way you want (PTT). I have a TM-V71A running YAAC and direwolf (1.6) on a Pi400 and I use a simple USB sound card connected to the DATA port for audio I/O, and a USB Serial cable to the PC port. When you put the radio into Echolink mode, it disables the Serial CAT protocol on the PC port but RTS in becomes PTT on the DATA BAND only. YAAC is connected to direworlf via the AGWPE port. If you need more details I'll send you my config files. 73 Danny, K5CG HH 550-0609 SKCC 14257 ________________________________ From: "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@...> To: "yaac-users" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 12:15:25 PM Subject: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing HI all I have been running yaac for a long time with a TNC-Pi2 on my rpi3 and a Kenwood TMD710G. I have recently had to ditch the tnc and have been looking at replacing it with direwolf. I have a working configuration using direwolf 1.7 and a digirig into my Baofeng handheld. I want to make this work with my kenwood mobile TMd710G. I am thinking that most of my current configuration will work. I don't think that my digirig would work. I have read somewhere that I need to setup an AGWPE port. Can anyone help please? Thanks in advance Joe VA3TV |
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If you want to make your own cables, this is what you need (drawing modified from the manual). The Serial port can go through a DB-9 connector to a USB Serial port DB-9 or you can use a USB to serial module like this The connectors for the radio are plain Mini-DIN 6 pin. 73 Danny, K5CG HH 550-0609 SKCC 14257 From: "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@...> To: "yaac-users" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2024 8:29:17 AM Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing Hi Danny I already have a homebrew cable with a miniDin on one end and a DB9 on the other. This was from my old tncpi2. In the old setup, the miniDin plugged into the Kenwood radio and the DB9 into the DB9 socket on the tncpi2.? I am still a little unclear how this is all going to connect up in the new configuration. Joe From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Danny K5CG via groups.io <k5cg@...> Sent:?November 30, 2024 23:11 To:?yaac-users <[email protected]> Subject:?Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing ? Yes Joe, that will work. Now you need to connect that to the radio body by making the cable or with a Kenwood PG-5H cable kit. Connect the sound card jacks to the USB sound card. The DB-9 data goes into a USB serial port on your computer. my direwolf.conf... ADEVICE plughw:2,0 ARATE 48000 CHANNEL 0 MYCALL K5CG MODEM 1200 PTT /dev/ttyUSB0 RTS TXDELAY 30 TXTAIL 10 AGWPORT 8000 KISSPORT 8001 Your details may be different depending on what port your USB sound card and serial port device names show up as (OS dependent).? 73 Danny, K5CG HH 550-0609 SKCC 14257 From: "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@...> To: "yaac-users" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 4:12:22 PM Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing HI Danny I just purchased this from amazon.? Hope it works. Joe From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Danny K5CG via groups.io <k5cg@...> Sent:?November 30, 2024 14:17 To:?yaac-users <[email protected]> Subject:?Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing ? Hi Joe, A digirig would work but it is way more than you need and may not work the way you want (PTT). I have a TM-V71A running YAAC and direwolf (1.6) on a Pi400 and I use a simple USB sound card connected to the DATA port for audio I/O, and a USB Serial cable to the PC port. When you put the radio into Echolink mode, it disables the Serial CAT protocol on the PC port but RTS in becomes PTT on the DATA BAND only. YAAC is connected to direworlf via the AGWPE port. If you need more details I'll send you my config files. 73 Danny, K5CG HH 550-0609 SKCC 14257 From: "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@...> To: "yaac-users" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 12:15:25 PM Subject: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing HI all ? I have been running yaac for a long time with a TNC-Pi2 on my rpi3 and a Kenwood TMD710G.? I have recently had to ditch the tnc and have been looking at replacing it with direwolf.? ?I have a working configuration using direwolf 1.7 and a digirig into my Baofeng handheld.? I want to make this work with my kenwood mobile TMd710G.? I am thinking that most of my current configuration will work. I don't think that my digirig would work.? I have read somewhere that I need to setup an AGWPE port.? ?Can anyone help please? ? Thanks in advance ? Joe VA3TV |
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That's what I did too. The digirig would provide PTT for you but again, you would end up connecting that to the PTT of the DATA port and you'd be sacrificing the other half of the radio as unusable. If you use Echolink Sysop mode then the data band will stay dedicated to APRS (I use the right - B side) and you can still use the other side (A side in my case) like a normal radio in the shack, that's the advantage. 73 Danny, K5CG HH 550-0609 SKCC 14257 From: "Joseph LaFerla" <joe@...> To: "yaac-users" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2024 3:45:08 PM Subject: Re: [yaac-users] YAAC and Direwolf interfacing Hi Danny
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I have been absorbing all the information that you and others have provided and have decided to emulate your situation and forget the digirig (unfortunately because it was expensive hi hi).? I will purchase a USB serial card and the cable from Kenwood.? That should get me going.? Please let me know if I am missing something.? Thanks for the diagrams of the connecting cables but I think I will be better off with the kenwood cable.
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