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Re: BlueCove Library??

 

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I did as suggested and removed all files beginning with “blue” from the plugins sub-directory on my M2 MacBook Air then restarted.

YAAC came up without the warning and appears to work perfect.?
Thanks for this Andrew.


Keith, WA0?TJT
Author:
ARRL ARES?Communicator?Level 2, AEC for?Platte Co. MO
KCHEART Radio Operator - St. Lukes Barry Road Hospital

On Sep 19, 2022, at 9:38 PM, Andrew P. <andrewemt@...> wrote:

Delete all the files starting with "blue" from the YAAC plugins subdirectory.

For example, using Linux command-line,

rm $HOME/YAAC/plugins/blue*

Note the plugins sub-directory will be where you originally installed YAAC, not necessarily in your home directory.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]> on behalf of Brian Webster via??<radiowebst@...>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 10:25 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] BlueCove Library??

On that topic, what is the best way to remove that plugin?

Brian N2KGC

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew P.
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 10:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] BlueCove Library??

The problem here is that the Mac support in the BlueCove library is only for 32-bit Mac OS X, which was phased out a couple of releases of Mac OS X ago. Or if you still have an antique Mac with a PPC processor (not the new M1 and M2 ARM processors), it might work.

No one has come out with an updated version of Java Bluetooth support, so none of the newer operating systems are supported. And Microsoft totally redesigned the Bluetooth protocol stack in Windows, so it won't work there on Windows 10 or later either.

We pretty much have to consider the bluetooth plugin for YAAC as deprecated. I will probably remove it from my website and SourceForge after this build of YAAC.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Keith Kaiser <wa0tjt@...>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 9:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] BlueCove Library??

Has anyone else run into this? Just saying OK still launches YAAC just fine. I’m on a M2 MadBook Air.

The missing text says; ?BlueCove Library blue cove not available

I can’t copy/paste the text for some really.

[]
Keith, WA0?TJT
Author:
ARRL ARES Communicator Level 2, AEC for Platte Co. MO KCHEART Radio Operator - St. Lukes Barry Road Hospital

















Re: BlueCove Library??

 

Delete all the files starting with "blue" from the YAAC plugins subdirectory.

For example, using Linux command-line,

rm $HOME/YAAC/plugins/blue*

Note the plugins sub-directory will be where you originally installed YAAC, not necessarily in your home directory.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Brian Webster via groups.io <radiowebst@...>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 10:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] BlueCove Library??

On that topic, what is the best way to remove that plugin?

Brian N2KGC

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew P.
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 10:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] BlueCove Library??

The problem here is that the Mac support in the BlueCove library is only for 32-bit Mac OS X, which was phased out a couple of releases of Mac OS X ago. Or if you still have an antique Mac with a PPC processor (not the new M1 and M2 ARM processors), it might work.

No one has come out with an updated version of Java Bluetooth support, so none of the newer operating systems are supported. And Microsoft totally redesigned the Bluetooth protocol stack in Windows, so it won't work there on Windows 10 or later either.

We pretty much have to consider the bluetooth plugin for YAAC as deprecated. I will probably remove it from my website and SourceForge after this build of YAAC.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Keith Kaiser <wa0tjt@...>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 9:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] BlueCove Library??

Has anyone else run into this? Just saying OK still launches YAAC just fine. I’m on a M2 MadBook Air.

The missing text says; BlueCove Library blue cove not available

I can’t copy/paste the text for some really.

[cid:B3765DD6-D169-4D8A-8F8A-AFFB1A1C40AE]
Keith, WA0?TJT
Author:
ARRL ARES Communicator Level 2, AEC for Platte Co. MO KCHEART Radio Operator - St. Lukes Barry Road Hospital


Re: BlueCove Library??

 

On that topic, what is the best way to remove that plugin?

Brian N2KGC

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew P.
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 10:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] BlueCove Library??

The problem here is that the Mac support in the BlueCove library is only for 32-bit Mac OS X, which was phased out a couple of releases of Mac OS X ago. Or if you still have an antique Mac with a PPC processor (not the new M1 and M2 ARM processors), it might work.

No one has come out with an updated version of Java Bluetooth support, so none of the newer operating systems are supported. And Microsoft totally redesigned the Bluetooth protocol stack in Windows, so it won't work there on Windows 10 or later either.

We pretty much have to consider the bluetooth plugin for YAAC as deprecated. I will probably remove it from my website and SourceForge after this build of YAAC.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Keith Kaiser <wa0tjt@...>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 9:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] BlueCove Library??

Has anyone else run into this? Just saying OK still launches YAAC just fine. I’m on a M2 MadBook Air.

The missing text says; BlueCove Library blue cove not available

I can’t copy/paste the text for some really.

[cid:B3765DD6-D169-4D8A-8F8A-AFFB1A1C40AE]
Keith, WA0?TJT
Author:
ARRL ARES Communicator Level 2, AEC for Platte Co. MO KCHEART Radio Operator - St. Lukes Barry Road Hospital


Re: BlueCove Library??

 

The problem here is that the Mac support in the BlueCove library is only for 32-bit Mac OS X, which was phased out a couple of releases of Mac OS X ago. Or if you still have an antique Mac with a PPC processor (not the new M1 and M2 ARM processors), it might work.

No one has come out with an updated version of Java Bluetooth support, so none of the newer operating systems are supported. And Microsoft totally redesigned the Bluetooth protocol stack in Windows, so it won't work there on Windows 10 or later either.

We pretty much have to consider the bluetooth plugin for YAAC as deprecated. I will probably remove it from my website and SourceForge after this build of YAAC.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Keith Kaiser <wa0tjt@...>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 9:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yaac-users] BlueCove Library??

Has anyone else run into this? Just saying OK still launches YAAC just fine. I’m on a M2 MadBook Air.

The missing text says; BlueCove Library blue cove not available

I can’t copy/paste the text for some really.

[cid:B3765DD6-D169-4D8A-8F8A-AFFB1A1C40AE]
Keith, WA0?TJT
Author:
ARRL ARES Communicator Level 2, AEC for Platte Co. MO
KCHEART Radio Operator - St. Lukes Barry Road Hospital


BlueCove Library??

 

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Has anyone else run into this? Just saying OK still launches YAAC just fine. I’m on a M2 MadBook Air.

The missing text says; ?BlueCove Library blue cove not available

I can’t copy/paste the text for some really.


Keith, WA0?TJT
Author:
ARRL ARES?Communicator?Level 2, AEC for?Platte Co. MO
KCHEART Radio Operator - St. Lukes Barry Road Hospital


next build#177 of YAAC, created 2022-Sep-19

 

next beta build#177 of YAAC ("Yet Another APRS Client"), created 2022-Sep-19

downloadable from
or

changes and updates include:
1. fix internal port routing logic so it can be better identified whether
a particular packet should be transmitted out a APRS protocol port
versus a raw AX.25 port, to better separate connected-mode traffic
from APRS traffic, and ensure connected-mode traffic cannot be
sent to the APRS-IS backbone by the YAAC port drivers.
2. fix internal AX.25 protocol stack so connected-mode AX.25 works properly
(even for bodiless control frames) and the user interface code
automatically picks more optimal digipeater path for outbound
AX.25 connects if destination station had already been heard. Also
persist the setting of the "allow inbound AX.25 connection requests"
checkbox.
3. fix debugging display of MaidenheadLocatorBeacon messages (including
status messages with Maidenhead prefix) to display the Maidenhead
locator instead of its decoded lat/lon, properly support appending
symbol table ID and symbol code when used as a status message.
4. fix mapping APRS ObjectReports into OpenTRAC protocol by ensuring each
locally originated Object gets a unique and stable OpenTRAC entity ID
number.
5. fix telemetry message parsing when integer values with leading zeros are
specified in an analog field by the sender.
6. fix startup race condition for code that wants to override incoming AX.25
connection logic (such as a plugin).
7. persist filter settings over YAAC restarts on sender and destination
address filters.
8. just in case case-sensitive filesystems are causing mismatch errors on
file types, change all filetype file filters for file load and save
dialogs to support both lower and upper case versions of the file type.
9. Switch AX.25 connected-mode terminal windows to full JFrames, so they
don't stay in front of the window that launched them like they did
when the windows were JDialogs.
10. ensure raw packet table view can tell the difference between APRS UI
frames and connected-mode I frames.
11. switch to using Hessu's tocalls.pretty.json file instead of the
tocalls.dense.json file, so it will be easier to see the differences
in future builds of YAAC.
12. fix non-localized text on General tab of expert-mode configuration dialog.
13. add missing ability to put an APRS symbol on the Status message when also
sending the Maidenhead locator as the status message prefix.
14. fix cross-referencing between plugin help files and core YAC help files,
especially when running in development/test environment.
15. attempt to fix recursive checkbox setting and clearing in map layers
POI tree.
16. add the ability to paste text to a YAAC terminal window (ctl-shift-V)
as well as the existing ability to copy from it (ctl-shift-C).
17. support buffer flushes when Linux/Unix linefeed control character is
sent as end-of-line in a Terminal session, instead of the Microsoft
carriage return control character.
18. have terminal window support 132-character line mode and total screen
reversal escape sequences.
19. try to make WXNOW.TXT port driver more tolerant of time field formatting.
20. attempt to resolve issue on Linux where attempt to open a browser for
an URL does not occur until YAAC is exited.
21. remove entries from YAAC's historical tocall database that now exist in
Hessu's tocall.pretty.json file.
22. clean up YAAC's help index and make it easier to merge help indexes
from plugins.
23. fix the ADSB, AIS, AREDN, Bluetooth, callsign DB, demo, dynamic objects,
madispost, repeater finder, smallscreen, sounds, telemetry alarm, and
weather alert plugins' help files to be more index-mergeable. Also fix
AIS, AREDN, and dynamic objects plugins to account fo AX.25 protocol
stack changes.
24. start delivering the bikestats plugin (which allows additional manually
entered statistics fields to be added to stations and objects, and
display this persisted information in the station/object list).
25. fix typos in Ant build scripts for the callsign DB, demo, and madispost
plugins.
26. "Forward into the past!" Add the new PBBS plugin, to provide 1990's style
Packet Bulletin Board Service in YAAC, so if YAAC is configured with
an AX.25-capable port configured for raw AX.25 (connected mode), it
can accept inbound AX.25 connections as connections to the PBBS, rather
than keyboard-to-keyboard chat sessions. The PBBS allows posting public
(bulletin board) messages, and private emails to other users. Such
private emails can only be read by the specified user logging into
the BBS (or by the YAAC operator manually examining the files in the
configured PBBS directory tree). Note this requires the AX.25 connected
mode fixes in this build of YAAC; the plugin cannot be used with an
older build of YAAC.
27. add support for Yaesu FT-891, FT991, and FT-991A to repeater finder plugin.


Re: Bike route map overlay

 

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Marking disabled riders would be easy. Right-click on the map at the appropriate location, and Create an Object (possibly named "R" plus the rider number?) with the appropriate icon. You could even make these Local instead of Private Objects so SAGs with APRS-capable radios (like the Kenwood TM-D710) could home in on the rider's reported position as transmitted from Net Control. When they are reported picked-up, delete their Object.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC


-------- Original message --------
From: Tim Huffaker <thuffaker@...>
Date: 9/18/22 10:17 (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Bike route map overlay

Everything work as you said and YAAC preformed well for it’s years ride. It was another year of many people being amazed with seeing the SAG vehicles on the course. ?They liked it so much there want more next year like to easily mark riders stuck on the side asking for SAG pickup on the map. ?

Thank you again for a wonderful mapping program to help with our bike events.?

Tim?
KM4ESU


Re: Bike route map overlay

 

Did you track your lead riders as well?

Being able to show where the riders are on the track is pretty moorland as well.?

YAAC has the ability to to accomplish this without needing to be able to predict the future and know who’s going to be out front.?

You can track multiple assets that will be running the known route at a predictable pace.?

James
VE6SRV?

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 07:17 Tim Huffaker <thuffaker@...> wrote:
Everything work as you said and YAAC preformed well for it’s years ride. It was another year of many people being amazed with seeing the SAG vehicles on the course.? They liked it so much there want more next year like to easily mark riders stuck on the side asking for SAG pickup on the map. ?

Thank you again for a wonderful mapping program to help with our bike events.?

Tim?
KM4ESU

--
James
VE6SRV


Re: Bike route map overlay

 

Everything work as you said and YAAC preformed well for it’s years ride. It was another year of many people being amazed with seeing the SAG vehicles on the course. ?They liked it so much there want more next year like to easily mark riders stuck on the side asking for SAG pickup on the map. ?

Thank you again for a wonderful mapping program to help with our bike events.?

Tim?
KM4ESU


Re: Bike route map overlay

 

Yes to both.

1. Go to View->Draw Toolbar. Click the Select tool (arrow) button, then click on your route line so it starts flashing red. Then click the line properties button (three horizontal lines), and you can pick from its submenus what you want to adjust about the appearance of the line (such as color, stripe width, stripe style, transparency [how easily can you see through the line to the underlying map]). Then turn off the drawing toolbar (or click another drawn line to change its properties). Before you close the toolbar, I recommend clicking the Text toolbar button (so YAAC stops selecting your last drawn line [known bug]), then you can save the drawing with the Save (floppy disk) toolbar button; I recommend using KML format, as it will save all the adjustable properties.

2. Create APRS Objects at the desired location of the rest stops, finish line, etc., using the desired APRS icons and an appropriate name (must fit in 9 characters to comply with APRS protocol specification). Note that you can create Private scope Objects, which will not be transmitted over radio or APRS-IS connection, if you do not wish to share those Objects with other stations (only Local and Global scope Objects get transmitted). To ensure you don't lose the objects if YAAC is shut down for any reason, go to the expert-mode Configuration dialog (File->Configure->Expert Mode), click the Behavior tab, and ensure the "Restore locally originated objects when YAAC restarts" checkbox is checked. Alternatively, you can use the Draw toolbar to create text boxes on the map at the rest stop locations, but I personally think the APRS Object style looks better and is easier to place, and they can be transmitted if you do want other operators to be able to see the stop locations on their mobile APRS radios (i.e., Kenwood D710 control head with bearing to the heard Object).

Hope this helps.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Tim Huffaker
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 11:13 AM

Hi Andrew,

Its that time of year again and I have my maps on the YAAC map via draw looking good. I did have two questions. 1. can you change the color of the drawing input for each drawing. I cannot seem to find a way to do that. 2. Can you put labels on the map for rest stops that would help.

Thank you,
Tim KM4ESU


Re: Bike route map overlay

 

Hi Andrew,

Its that time of year again and I have my maps on the YAAC map via draw looking good. ?I did have two questions. 1. can you change the color of the drawing input for each drawing. ?I cannot seem to find a way to do that. ?2. Can you put labels on the map for rest stops that would help.?

Thank you,
Tim KM4ESU


Re: Missing Weather Data

 

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Hello Andrew,

Due to a power problem here I had to rebuild my weather station.

I flashed a new disk, added CumulusMX, YAAC, plus mono and java.

Everything work as it should. CumulusMX writes a wxnow.txt file but YAAC does not collect the data

I have double checked the path and it seems correct. On YAAC, under VIEW/WEATHER STATUS I see a box with ??? ? where the data should be.

?Thanks,

Ian VE3EP

?

Sent from for Windows

?

?


Re: Errors indicated in Yaac latest

 

This is not really an error. This is dealing with the redundancy in YAAC between Hessu's tocalls.json file (the new reference standard for APRS tocall assignments), versus my hand-typed copy of Bob Bruninga's original webpage for the tocall assignments. I never took you my porting of Bob's webpage inside YAAC when Hessu started providing the JSON file, because there were entries that only appeared in one database. So these YAAC log messages are reporting the overlaps between the two data sets, plus the obsolete data that Hessu didn't bother to put in his database that I copied from Bob anyway.

I'll neaten it up a bit to stop reporting as many overlaps. It's time I checked if Hessu has a newer version of the JSON file anyway.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of KH6CP Craig Paul
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2022 9:21 PM

Hi, Andrew,

Running Yaac just now (Win 11, latest Yaac release) I notice

redundant tocalls from ResourceBundle: [API282, API31, API410, API51, API510, API710, API880, API910, API92, APLC, APVM, APW9]
missing tocalls in JSON file, using fallback: [AP1MAJ, APAL, APAND1, APB, APBLO, APCBB, APCN, APCY, APD, APD4, APDD, APDH, APDIGI, APDK, APDO, APDTMF, APE2A, APESPG, APESPW, APF, APFPRS, APG, APGDT, APH, APICQ, APJ8, APK, APK102, APL, APLO, APLQRU, APLS, APM, APMPAD, APN, APN2, APNA, APNIC, APO, APOD1, APOFF, APOSB, APOSW, APOU2, APP, APQ, APRATS, APRD, APRHH2, APRK, APRSON, APRST, APRSWX, APRTLM, APRX0, APRX1, APRX44, APRX46, APRX76, APRtfc, APSAT, APSK25, APTA, APTHWX, APTIGR, APTKPT, APTPV, APTT, APTT4, APTV, APU2, APU3, APV, APVL, APWL2K, APWS, APY, APY008, APY03D, APY05D, APY100, APY350, APYT, APZ, APZ0, APZDMR, APZJ10, APZPAD, APZWIT]

Is there something I can include to help debug this?

Thanks!
Craig/KH6CP


Errors indicated in Yaac latest

 

Hi, Andrew,

Running Yaac just now (Win 11, latest Yaac release) I notice

redundant tocalls from ResourceBundle: [API282, API31, API410, API51, API510, API710, API880, API910, API92, APLC, APVM, APW9]
missing tocalls in JSON file, using fallback: [AP1MAJ, APAL, APAND1, APB, APBLO, APCBB, APCN, APCY, APD, APD4, APDD, APDH, APDIGI, APDK, APDO, APDTMF, APE2A, APESPG, APESPW, APF, APFPRS, APG, APGDT, APH, APICQ, APJ8, APK, APK102, APL, APLO, APLQRU, APLS, APM, APMPAD, APN, APN2, APNA, APNIC, APO, APOD1, APOFF, APOSB, APOSW, APOU2, APP, APQ, APRATS, APRD, APRHH2, APRK, APRSON, APRST, APRSWX, APRTLM, APRX0, APRX1, APRX44, APRX46, APRX76, APRtfc, APSAT, APSK25, APTA, APTHWX, APTIGR, APTKPT, APTPV, APTT, APTT4, APTV, APU2, APU3, APV, APVL, APWL2K, APWS, APY, APY008, APY03D, APY05D, APY100, APY350, APYT, APZ, APZ0, APZDMR, APZJ10, APZPAD, APZWIT]

Is there something I can include to help debug this?

Thanks!
Craig/KH6CP




Re: feature requests

 

Thank you, Andrew!

A file up/download would be great, so that, for example, a potable water truck route schedule could be shared via the BBS!
Thanks for being such a big help!

Craig/KH6CP


On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 1:51 PM Andrew P. <andrewemt@...> wrote:
Greetings.

The BBS plugin is making good progress; it has the ability to send and receive private messages and post and read public bulletins between users, but I haven't gotten to actually testing it over RF yet.

Would file upload and download capability be necessary, or just text-based messaging?

Andrew, KA2DDO


Re: feature requests

 

Greetings.

The BBS plugin is making good progress; it has the ability to send and receive private messages and post and read public bulletins between users, but I haven't gotten to actually testing it over RF yet.

Would file upload and download capability be necessary, or just text-based messaging?

Andrew, KA2DDO
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Greg D
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] feature requests

Hi Andrew,

The BBS server itself was the thought. The scenario we encountered was
a semi-emergency situation (regional power outage) where we needed to
exchange information on power / location status, available resources
(fuel, ice), and other health & welfare sorts of info. An informal net
arose, becoming more formalized over time, and with repeated
occurrences. (See
)

The challenge was the load on the NC stations, as these events tended to
linger on for several days in some of the more remote areas, and the
logged information was local to each NC. If there were a centralized
resource, one which did not depend on Internet services, it might be a
valuable addition to the voice channel. We could, of course, invest in
setting up a more permanent set of BBS nodes, or even use existing ones
if they happened to be available, but the idea of spinning up a node on
an as-needed basis has some appeal too.

The power outages seem to be getting less frequent, so perhaps as the
grid gets more robust the need will decrease, but there will probably be
other needs for an easy to spin-up RF-only data exchange resource. At
least, that was the thought. YAAC being designed as a client, not a
server, this might not be an easy thing to add. But you asked for ideas...

Greg KO6TH


Re: feature requests

 

Hi, Andrew,

Thanks for the great software and I concur that some sort of "local" BBS would be useful, as outlined by Greg D.

Has meteor scatter or aircraft scatter seen much use/utility?

Craig/KH6CP


On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 2:16 AM Andrew P. <andrewemt@...> wrote:
Is there anything in particular you woul d like to be able to do with YAAC, but can't do yet? Some new functionality for some task you are trying to perform? I'm looking for feature requests for the next round of additions to YAAC.


Re: feature requests

 

Keeping it text only with possibly a throttled/limited attachment capability?for pics is the only way to go.??

On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 4:44 PM Andrew P. <andrewemt@...> wrote:
OK, that makes sense. I'm looking into implementing something functionally similar to the BBS built into the old KA9Q NOS (from the DOS days), because it would have to work on low-bandwidth 1200-baud links. Will that do what you want? I don't expect to be able to do the inter-BBS Internet links like KA9Q NOS could in 1992 because of how tightly the Internet is locked down these days to block spammers and black-hat hackers. If you want Rich Media Framework and full email, you'd better talk to the folks at AREDN and set up Part 97 long-haul WiFi instead (running real SMTP and web servers on a private amateur-only intranet), because you'll need megabit-plus bandwidth for that kind of bandwidth-sucking content.

Not that I'm knocking AREDN; I have an AREDN node at my QTH hooked into (tree leaves permitting) the next county's mesh network, and there is a YAAC plugin for displaying the location of AREDN nodes on APRS networks (i.e., where's the nearest AREDN entry point to point my portable parabolic antenna at?). AX.25 just doesn't have the bandwidth for large content.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Greg D
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 1:49 PM

Hi Andrew,

The BBS server itself was the thought.? The scenario we encountered was
a semi-emergency situation (regional power outage) where we needed to
exchange information on power / location status, available resources
(fuel, ice), and other health & welfare sorts of info.? An informal net
arose, becoming more formalized over time, and with repeated
occurrences.? (See
?)

The challenge was the load on the NC stations, as these events tended to
linger on for several days in some of the more remote areas, and the
logged information was local to each NC.? If there were a centralized
resource, one which did not depend on Internet services, it might be a
valuable addition to the voice channel.? We could, of course, invest in
setting up a more permanent set of BBS nodes, or even use existing ones
if they happened to be available, but the idea of spinning up a node on
an as-needed basis has some appeal too.

The power outages seem to be getting less frequent, so perhaps as the
grid gets more robust the need will decrease, but there will probably be
other needs for an easy to spin-up RF-only data exchange resource.? At
least, that was the thought.? YAAC being designed as a client, not a
server, this might not be an easy thing to add.? But you asked for ideas...

Greg? KO6TH





Re: feature requests

 

I am not sure if this has been discussed or even possible, but having a store and forward capability would be useful as well. I am aware that such a capability exists in linbpq.?
Nx2i

On Mon, Sep 5, 2022, 4:44 PM Andrew P. <andrewemt@...> wrote:
OK, that makes sense. I'm looking into implementing something functionally similar to the BBS built into the old KA9Q NOS (from the DOS days), because it would have to work on low-bandwidth 1200-baud links. Will that do what you want? I don't expect to be able to do the inter-BBS Internet links like KA9Q NOS could in 1992 because of how tightly the Internet is locked down these days to block spammers and black-hat hackers. If you want Rich Media Framework and full email, you'd better talk to the folks at AREDN and set up Part 97 long-haul WiFi instead (running real SMTP and web servers on a private amateur-only intranet), because you'll need megabit-plus bandwidth for that kind of bandwidth-sucking content.

Not that I'm knocking AREDN; I have an AREDN node at my QTH hooked into (tree leaves permitting) the next county's mesh network, and there is a YAAC plugin for displaying the location of AREDN nodes on APRS networks (i.e., where's the nearest AREDN entry point to point my portable parabolic antenna at?). AX.25 just doesn't have the bandwidth for large content.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Greg D
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 1:49 PM

Hi Andrew,

The BBS server itself was the thought.? The scenario we encountered was
a semi-emergency situation (regional power outage) where we needed to
exchange information on power / location status, available resources
(fuel, ice), and other health & welfare sorts of info.? An informal net
arose, becoming more formalized over time, and with repeated
occurrences.? (See
?)

The challenge was the load on the NC stations, as these events tended to
linger on for several days in some of the more remote areas, and the
logged information was local to each NC.? If there were a centralized
resource, one which did not depend on Internet services, it might be a
valuable addition to the voice channel.? We could, of course, invest in
setting up a more permanent set of BBS nodes, or even use existing ones
if they happened to be available, but the idea of spinning up a node on
an as-needed basis has some appeal too.

The power outages seem to be getting less frequent, so perhaps as the
grid gets more robust the need will decrease, but there will probably be
other needs for an easy to spin-up RF-only data exchange resource.? At
least, that was the thought.? YAAC being designed as a client, not a
server, this might not be an easy thing to add.? But you asked for ideas...

Greg? KO6TH





Re: feature requests

 

OK, that makes sense. I'm looking into implementing something functionally similar to the BBS built into the old KA9Q NOS (from the DOS days), because it would have to work on low-bandwidth 1200-baud links. Will that do what you want? I don't expect to be able to do the inter-BBS Internet links like KA9Q NOS could in 1992 because of how tightly the Internet is locked down these days to block spammers and black-hat hackers. If you want Rich Media Framework and full email, you'd better talk to the folks at AREDN and set up Part 97 long-haul WiFi instead (running real SMTP and web servers on a private amateur-only intranet), because you'll need megabit-plus bandwidth for that kind of bandwidth-sucking content.

Not that I'm knocking AREDN; I have an AREDN node at my QTH hooked into (tree leaves permitting) the next county's mesh network, and there is a YAAC plugin for displaying the location of AREDN nodes on APRS networks (i.e., where's the nearest AREDN entry point to point my portable parabolic antenna at?). AX.25 just doesn't have the bandwidth for large content.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Greg D
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2022 1:49 PM

Hi Andrew,

The BBS server itself was the thought. The scenario we encountered was
a semi-emergency situation (regional power outage) where we needed to
exchange information on power / location status, available resources
(fuel, ice), and other health & welfare sorts of info. An informal net
arose, becoming more formalized over time, and with repeated
occurrences. (See
)

The challenge was the load on the NC stations, as these events tended to
linger on for several days in some of the more remote areas, and the
logged information was local to each NC. If there were a centralized
resource, one which did not depend on Internet services, it might be a
valuable addition to the voice channel. We could, of course, invest in
setting up a more permanent set of BBS nodes, or even use existing ones
if they happened to be available, but the idea of spinning up a node on
an as-needed basis has some appeal too.

The power outages seem to be getting less frequent, so perhaps as the
grid gets more robust the need will decrease, but there will probably be
other needs for an easy to spin-up RF-only data exchange resource. At
least, that was the thought. YAAC being designed as a client, not a
server, this might not be an easy thing to add. But you asked for ideas...

Greg KO6TH