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Re: Gauge data does not show on list of weather stations

 

To clearify. I am not sending those, they are being sent by firenet.us.?

So yes they all have the same format?


Re: Gauge data does not show on list of weather stations

 

Alas, the problem here is that your flood gauge Object is not sending weather station data (in particular, the "Fnnnn" flood level field according to the APRS protocol specification for weather data), so it is not recognized as weather data. Also, you're using the Water Station symbol /w (as in a drinking stop on a public service event course) instead of the Flood Gauge symbol \w (or one of its overlay variants specified in the APRS 1.2 extended symbols list) or one of the weather station codes like /_ (this latter code means the packet contents would actually be interpreted as weather data).

Is the format you're sending the standard for all flood gauges? I might be able to add those additional fields to the Weather Alert plugin. What information are the NNNgh and NNNcfs values, and in what units?

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Glen Briggs <kb0rpj.glen@...>
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2023 11:00 PM

i have added a river gauge to the weather station monitor but it reports no data.

However, the gauge is actually reporting the "flood level"



it would be nice if this was fixed and we add alarms for gauge height along with wind and rain to the alerts settings?


Gauge data does not show on list of weather stations

 

i have added a river gauge to the weather station monitor but it reports no data.?

However, the gauge is actually reporting the "flood level"



it would be nice if this was fixed and we add alarms for gauge height along with wind and rain to the alerts settings?


Re: YACC Maps

 

The odd "Q19700 pour Wikidata" is a strange ref="" key somebody attached to the OSM Relation id#11888769 for the River Taff. YAAC treats ref="" attributes of a tag as a highway route number (like the M5 symbol you can see near Gloucestershire). But this one is very poorly formatted, as the value provided could not be used automatically to look up other data about the geographical feature (due to the "pour Wikidata" suffix in the text).


Re: How Do I send email and winlink messages?

 

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Thank you for that note about the incorrect spelling for WLNK-1. I will fix it in the next build of YAAC.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of John Spoonhower <jpspoonhower@...>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 10:16:36 AM

I just got it to work (with the correct spelling). Noticed that the YAAC drop-down defaults to the incorrect spelling.
Repeated tests fail however. Is there a limit on traffic through aprslink?
_._,_._,_


Re: How Do I send email and winlink messages?

 

I just got it to work (with the correct spelling). Noticed that the YAAC drop-down defaults to the incorrect spelling.
Repeated tests fail however. Is there a limit on traffic through aprslink?


Re: How Do I send email and winlink messages?

 

Double check your spelling. There isn't an "i" in WLNK-1. Not sure about your password not working though. It works for mine using WLNK-1. It's case sensitive.

73, de KM4ACK


Re: Loss of Yacc Config after Java Upgrade

 

There were other JDK bugs outstanding indicating that 64-bit Java and 32-bit Java use different subtrees in the Windows registry to store the Preferences, so if you changed JREs, you might move to a different registry tree. Whether your info would still be in the other JRE's tree is a question.

I put that removal of callsigns and APRS-IS passcodes in during config restoration to prevent duplicates if someone decided to use the XML backup for cloning stations; I originally only wrote the config export menu choice to support making easy-to-send config snapshots to help debugging (rather than having to ask people to hand-copy all that information).

With this JDK bug, I may have to allow actually using it for alternate backups. Any regular operating system backup that backed up the registry would probably also back up the old version of the Java runtime.

I wonder if later releases of Java (11, 17, 21, etc.) have the same problems with their upgrades, or if this is a not-so-subtle hint from Oracle to get people to upgrade past Java 8.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of wavetel1 <wavetel@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 8:09 PM

I just changed back to execution from java.exe to javaw.exe and the whole process reoccurred . I had to use the xml backup to get Yaac going again quickly with the callsigns for each port and IS passcode reentered after the xml.
The registry entries must be separate for each of the Java runtimes .

Tony


Re: Loss of Yacc Config after Java Upgrade

 

I just changed back to execution from java.exe to javaw.exe and the whole process reoccurred . I had to use the xml backup to get Yaac going again quickly with the callsigns for each port and IS passcode reentered after the xml.?
The registry entries must be separate for each of the Java runtimes .

Tony


Re: Loss of Yacc Config after Java Upgrade

 

Thanks Andrew for the info.

I had a read of that bug report.? Thats been there or some time unresolved. We are on the same path in the end. We both have an interest in fixing problems and making Yaac work better. I like it as a APRS software package and Ive run a few over the years.
Will just have to be patient now I know whats behind the issue.

Thanks again? Tony VK5AH


Re: How Do I send email and winlink messages?

 

Jason and others,
even with WLINK-1 selected as the destination in the message bar at the bottom of the YAAC window,? a 6 character text message elicits no response from the aprslink server.
If I select the "send email" option from the message tab at the top, then there is a response from the aprslink server as you describe; there
is a login authentication request consisting of a 3 numerical? character code. Entering a 6 character correctly choosing the appropriate characters
from my Winlink password still fails as the aprslink server responds with "invalid login challenge response".
73, NX2I


On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 8:12?AM km4ack <jason.oleham@...> wrote:
Think I see the problem. In the drop down menu, "WLINK" is prefilled as the recipient. Instead of using the drop down option, manually type "WLNK-1" in the to field. Then type anything in the message field and send the message. The Winlink system should respond with something like "Login [176:]" which starts the connection. Details on logging in and reading messages in the video link above.

73, de KM4ACK


Re: Loss of Yacc Config after Java Upgrade

 

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I'm sorry you feel upset by my queries for more information. It's a axiom in software support that the bug-reporting user _never_ provides all the relevant information, because they don't know what is relevant. And the exact process you go through to make system changes (such as Java runtime upgrades) is very relevant, as are the exact versions of the upgrades.

It turns out that there is a reported bug in Java itself
https://bugs.openjdk.org/browse/JDK-8307616
so YAAC isn't the only application affected by this problem.

There's nothing I can do to fix this. All I can suggest is that you disable auto-updating Java and avoid taking further Java updates until the Java team fixes this upgrader bug.


Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of wavetel1 <wavetel@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 7:12:12 AM

Andrew ,

This discussion seems to have gone full cirle and ended up back where it started. I thought I had already answered this previously but I must a failed to be clear. Lets address this question from you

So, _after_ you apply a Java runtime upgrade to an existing (not new) YAAC system but _before_ you try to restore a YAAC configuration, what configuration do you find in that freshly restarted (with new runtime) but pre-existing YAAC instance?

With the preexisting Yacc instance on a freshly updated Java runtime. Its like a brand new install of Yaac. Theres nothing. I knows not my callsign or my maps or my Ports config and comes up to ask me if I want to use a wizard to help me configure it or do it manually. I forget the exact wording.

You said "Either you are having some major bugs in installing Java runtime upgrades, or you are trying to replicate a template YAAC system into hardware clones."
Iam not sure just what that all means. Sounds like a accusation. If Yaac has to be installed in a specific place or in a special way then I just have not seen this anywhere.
I have been using Yaac literally for years now. Has something changed along the way with the way it needs to be installed ? I dont know.

I start off with a working personalised version of Yaac that runs repeatedly day after day just fine and then when a Java update comes along I end up with a Yaac that acts like its a first time execution.

Ive given you everything you asked for previously I thought by catching the execution in a command window.


Re: How Do I send email and winlink messages?

 

Think I see the problem. In the drop down menu, "WLINK" is prefilled as the recipient. Instead of using the drop down option, manually type "WLNK-1" in the to field. Then type anything in the message field and send the message. The Winlink system should respond with something like "Login [176:]" which starts the connection. Details on logging in and reading messages in the video link above.

73, de KM4ACK


Re: Loss of Yacc Config after Java Upgrade

 

See the topic/thread I started on this July14 .

Tony


Re: Loss of Yacc Config after Java Upgrade

 

Andrew ,

This discussion seems to have gone full cirle and ended up back where it started. I thought I had already answered this previously but I must a failed to be clear. Lets address this question from you

So, _after_ you apply a Java runtime upgrade to an existing (not new) YAAC system but _before_ you try to restore a YAAC configuration, what configuration do you find in that freshly restarted (with new runtime) but pre-existing YAAC instance?

With the preexisting Yacc instance on a freshly updated Java runtime. Its like a brand new install of Yaac. Theres nothing. I knows not my callsign or my maps or my Ports config and comes up to ask me if I want to use a wizard to help me configure it or do it manually. I forget the exact wording.

You said "Either you are having some major bugs in installing Java runtime upgrades, or you are trying to replicate a template YAAC system into hardware clones."
Iam not sure just what that all means. Sounds like a accusation. If Yaac has to be installed in a specific place or in a special way then I just have not seen this anywhere.
I have been using Yaac literally for years now. Has something changed along the way with the way it needs to be installed ? I dont know.

I start off with a working personalised version of Yaac that runs repeatedly day after day just fine and then when a Java update comes along I end up with a Yaac that acts like its a first time execution.

Ive given you everything you asked for previously I thought by catching the execution in a command window.

I give up on this if your going to just accuse me of things .


Re: How Do I send email and winlink messages?

 

The concept may be the same, but I have never been able to get this to work from YAAC.
I have regularly used pat for winlink, but cannot get YAAC to work.
Pls let us know if you get this to work!?
73, NX2I


On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 7:33?AM km4ack <jason.oleham@...> wrote:
Here's a video I did for Winlink over APRS. I'm using a radio in the video but the concept is the same for YAAC.


73, de KM4ACK


Re: Loss of Yacc Config after Java Upgrade

 

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Restoration of a YAAC configuration from exported XML is _supposed_ to prompt you for station-specific identification. I did that on purpose to guarantee that if a config was copied to a different system, you would have to explicitly specify the legal identity of the new system, rather than having it defaultly claim it is the old system (while the old system might still be running).

Exporting YAAC configurations is not meant to be a backup system for your whole computer. For example, the YAAC configuration does not contain the actual raster images you chose to display, just control information for reloading the separate image files (which are expected to still exist in the location you told YAAC to use when you read the files into YAAC).

So, _after_ you apply a Java runtime upgrade to an existing (not new) YAAC system but _before_ you try to restore a YAAC configuration, what configuration do you find in that freshly restarted (with new runtime) but pre-existing YAAC instance?

Either you are having some major bugs in installing Java runtime upgrades, or you are trying to replicate a template YAAC system into hardware clones.

Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of wavetel1 <wavetel@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 2:03:03 AM

Andrew ,

Yes I have APRS Ports setup on each machine. I have a AGW Port and a APRS-IS Port as a rule.
After reinstating the Config it asks me for my IS Passcode which I have to Enter along with some other things like callsigns for each Port.
I have the Persist setting set but for now and the settings stayed between restats on the program.
I have given up on raster Maps because reinstating them is just too much work every time.

Tony


Re: How Do I send email and winlink messages?

 

Here's a video I did for Winlink over APRS. I'm using a radio in the video but the concept is the same for YAAC.
https://youtu.be/Uq09DOSM1yE?feature=shared

73, de KM4ACK


Re: Loss of Yacc Config after Java Upgrade

 

Andrew ,

Yes I have APRS Ports setup on each machine. I have a AGW Port and a APRS-IS Port as a rule.
After reinstating the Config it asks me for my IS Passcode which I have to Enter along with some other things like callsigns for each Port.
I have the Persist setting set but for now and the settings stayed between restats on the program.
I have given up on raster Maps because reinstating them is just too much work every time.

Tony


Re: Loss of Yacc Config after Java Upgrade

 

Hmmmm... that doesn't necessarily mean your entire configuration is lost, because the configuration is stored in piece for different sub-components of YAAC. Do you have any APRS ports defined and enabled (Serial_TNC, AGWPE, KISS-over-TCP, Kenwood, Yaesu, APRS-IS, SSL-APRS-IS)? You will get that prompt every time if you aren't actually set up for packet communications, because YAAC expects to run APRS communications, not just map display.

As for preserving your raster map settings, did you check the Persist checkbox for each of the desired raster overlays to ensure they are saved over restarts?


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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of wavetel1 <wavetel@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 5:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Loss of Yacc Config after Java Upgrade

Andrew . It appears to loose the Yaac config. On the first run after the Java update it comes up with the prompt asking if I want to config Yaac with help or manually.

Tony