Re: Font/icon size (was: Re: [yaac-users] Disk space issue)
Andrew,
I think there is a disgreement between the versions. I am using 1.0-beta181 (Windows) and I do not see any checkbox in the preference tab to choose double-sized icons. See attached image below.?
Also, when I right-click on the icon of a station, there is no "Show Double-Sized Icon" in the Menu.
The only way it works for me is to select the station for tacking and then to tick the Double-Sized checkbox in the track list
Il giorno mar 6 giu 2023 alle ore 22:49 Andrew P. < andrewemt@...> ha scritto:
A little excessive, deleting the entire directory. You might want to keep the log directory, which not only holds debugging logs, but also logs every transmission you make with YAAC, should you need
this information to comply with logging regulations in your jurisdiction.
As to icon and font size, that is easy to adjust. It depends on whether you want to do it for all stations, or only stations of interest.
Font size is adjusted from the expert-mode Configuration dialog's Preferences tab; the map normally uses proportional-spaced fonts, whereas fixed-size fonts are typically used in table views so the
values in different rows line up. The Preferences tab also has a checkbox for choosing double-sized icons for all stations/objects.
If you only want to enlarge stations of interest, right-click on the icon, and select Show Double-Sized Icon. The View->Tracked Stations table shows all stations and objects you have special settings
for. If you double icon size for a station when Preferences specify double-size for everyone, the selected station will get a quadruple-sized icon.
Hope this helps.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
Hi Andrew,
thank you for the info. I deleted the $HOME/YAAC directory and I recovered the disk space. Then I used the option to download the tiles directly and everything was ok in about 10 minutes.
I have another question: is it possible to enlarge the station icons and the markings on the map using maybe bold fonts??
73 Giovanni IZ5PQT
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Font/icon size (was: Re: [yaac-users] Disk space issue)
A little excessive, deleting the entire directory. You might want to keep the log directory, which not only holds debugging logs, but also logs every transmission you make with YAAC, should you need
this information to comply with logging regulations in your jurisdiction.
As to icon and font size, that is easy to adjust. It depends on whether you want to do it for all stations, or only stations of interest.
Font size is adjusted from the expert-mode Configuration dialog's Preferences tab; the map normally uses proportional-spaced fonts, whereas fixed-size fonts are typically used in table views so the
values in different rows line up. The Preferences tab also has a checkbox for choosing double-sized icons for all stations/objects.
If you only want to enlarge stations of interest, right-click on the icon, and select Show Double-Sized Icon. The View->Tracked Stations table shows all stations and objects you have special settings
for. If you double icon size for a station when Preferences specify double-size for everyone, the selected station will get a quadruple-sized icon.
Hope this helps.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
Hi Andrew,
thank you for the info. I deleted the $HOME/YAAC directory and I recovered the disk space. Then I used the option to download the tiles directly and everything was ok in about 10 minutes.
I have another question: is it possible to enlarge the station icons and the markings on the map using maybe bold fonts??
73 Giovanni IZ5PQT
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Hi Andrew,
thank you for the info. I deleted the $HOME/YAAC directory and I recovered the disk space. Then I used the option to download the tiles directly and everything was ok in about 10 minutes.
I have another question: is it possible to enlarge the station icons and the markings on the map using maybe bold fonts??
73 Giovanni IZ5PQT
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Alas, it takes a _very_ long time (hours to _days_) to import the OSM data, especially from the bzipped XML format. Part of the issue is that the OSM database is structured optimally for a DB (what they call "normalized"). The YAAC importer
deliberately de-normalizes the data for efficiency in rendering, which requires huge temporary datafiles (in excess of 48GB) to hold all the OSM Node lat/lon values for easy access in putting those values directly into OSM Way objects instead having to convert
Node IDs to lat/lon at render time. Note this code is optimized for whole-planet imports, so it wastes a _lot_ of temporary disk space when doing a subset import.
How exactly did you stop the import? If you use the Cancel button on the import progress dialog window, the importer will delete all its temporary files as part of import termination, but even that could take several minutes, depending on the
speed of your filesystem and the number of tile-specific temporary files that need to be cleaned up. If you just shut down YAAC, the importer won't get a chance to delete the temporary files.
The temporary files are located in your YAAC tile file directory (by default, ${HOME}/YAAC/tiledir [where ${HOME} is your user-specific home directory] unless you used the expert-mode Configuration dialog to put it somewhere else). Any file
in that directory or its latitude-specific subdirectories ending in .tmp (temporary data files) or .log (importer progess log) can be safely deleted (unless an import is currently in progress, of course). Alternatively, you could just start another import
(which cleans up any stale temporary files before starting over) and immediately Cancel it properly so it can clean up the few new temporary files.
Due to the pain of importing OSM data, I make a copy of my whole-planet data available on my website, so you can download already-imported OSM data directly into YAAC without having to run the importer yourself. Go to File->OpenStreetMap->Download
Pre-imported Tiles choice, and choose the geographical area you want to download. However, due to troubleshooting a new unreleased feature in the importer, I haven't updated my website's map tiles since November 2022. So the data is available, but won't have
any OSM changes or additions since November.
Hope this helps.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
Hello everybody,
I am a new user and had a problem when installing maps.?
I have YAAC installed on my Windows 10 machine since 2017, but I never used it. Yesterday I decided to configure it and to download the OSM maps
for Italy (.bz2 file about 3.1 GB). I had 190 GB of disk free space.?
After 8 hours in the process of installing the maps in YAAC I decided to cancel the operation, assuming that something wasn't working properly.
The final result is that now I have only 137 GB of free disk space! 53 GB have disappered.
Where the space was eaten up? I checked in the obvious places but I could not find any files so large.?
Any suggestion ?
73 Giovanni?
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I've tried several different methods to test filtered message, and it's not capturing anything. I've set my callsign as addressee, and I've used Any. Can you recommend a good way to test and troubleshoot this feature?
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It would work, except that you'll send the same automatic reply to ANSRVR itself when it acknowledges you joining up, and whenever you want to converse with someone else, they will see your automatic replies to their messages in addition to anything you manually send. Hmmm... maybe I should do an alternate version of automatic reply that is specific to a filtered message filter..... Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of JB via groups.io <i05jt0te@...> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:43 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Filtered Messages [Edited Message Follows] Ahh, thanks for the explanation. So if I understand it correctly, if I put my callsign in the Addressee field, I should see any messages destined for me specifically? For the WAS event, I'm not wanting to capture the ANSRVR forwards. The idea is that someone checks in to HOTG, YAAC sends an auto reply (thanks for that feature, it's been really helpful for APRSThursday), and anyone who wants to reply back does so directly to me, not via ANSRVR. In other words, HOTG join and cq messages should not count as a contact, only messages sent directly. So how I have it set up in the screenshots, would this work for that scenario?
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Ahh, thanks for the explanation. So if I understand it correctly, if I put my callsign in the Addressee field, I should see any messages destined for me specifically?
For the WAS event, I'm not wanting to capture the ANSRVR forwards. The idea is that someone checks in to HOTG, YAAC sends an auto reply (thanks for that feature, it's been really helpful for APRSThursday), and anyone who wants to reply back does so directly to me, not via ANSRVR. In other words, HOTG join and cq messages should not count as a contact, only messages sent directly. So how I have it set up in the screenshots, would this work for that scenario?
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Yes, that would be the "Regular Expression on Message Content" field on the filter definition tab of the window. ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Lynn Deffenbaugh <kj4erj@...> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2023 3:15 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [yaac-users] Filtered Messages I don't play with YAAC, but if the filters include a message body filter, you could use "N:HOTG". Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32 On 5/19/2023 9:29 AM, Andrew P. wrote: The Filtered Messages view only displays messages that specifically match its inclusion filters. No filter, no filtered messages. The Filtered Messages filters are used to specify which specific messages you want to see on that view (independent of the general display filters specified on the Filter->Edit Filter menu choice). For example, if you were trying to collect bulletin messages, you could filter by message (not AX.25) destinations starting with "BLN". The intent was to pick out a specific set of messages for logging from a "noisy" channel with lots of irrelevant traffic. The big problem with the HOTG group is that the ANSRVR forwards messages as if they were sent by the original callsign, not by the ANSRVR, so you couldn't filter by sending station. Note that YAAC can save _everything_ it receives to its default logs if you enable logging received AX.25 traffic in the expert-mode Configuration dialog. You could then post-filter the log to extract the HOTG traffic. I would recommend using CSV-format logging in that case. Hope this helps. Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto: [email protected]> < [email protected]><mailto: [email protected]> on behalf of JB via groups.io <i05jt0te@...><mailto:i05jt0te@...> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2023, 9:15 AM To: [email protected]<mailto: [email protected]> < [email protected]><mailto: [email protected]> Subject: [yaac-users] Filtered Messages I'm not understanding how to use Filtered Messages. The documentation isn't clear and I'm not able to find any explanations elsewhere online. I opened Filtered Messages after joining the APRSThursday ANSRVR message group, HOTG. I'm seeing messages sent to me in YAAC via the pop-up Messages window. However, they are not showing in Filtered Messages. I have no Message Filters selected in the second tab. We have an APRSThursday Worked-All-States event starting in June, and I wanted to prepare by testing saving messages to a log. Am I missing something? Running YAAC 1.0-beta181
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I don't play with YAAC, but if the
filters include a message body filter, you could use "N:HOTG".
Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and
Win32
On 5/19/2023 9:29 AM, Andrew P. wrote:
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The Filtered Messages view only displays messages
that specifically match its inclusion filters. No filter, no
filtered messages.
The Filtered Messages filters are used to specify
which specific messages you want to see on that view
(independent of the general display filters specified on the
Filter->Edit Filter menu choice). For example, if you were
trying to collect bulletin messages, you could filter by message
(not AX.25) destinations starting with "BLN". The intent was to
pick out a specific set of messages for logging from a "noisy"
channel with lots of irrelevant traffic.
The big problem with the HOTG group is that the?ANSRVR forwards messages as if they
were sent by the original callsign, not by the ANSRVR, so you
couldn't filter by sending station.
Note that YAAC can
save _everything_ it receives to its default logs if you
enable logging received AX.25 traffic in the expert-mode
Configuration dialog. You could then post-filter the log to
extract the HOTG traffic. I would recommend using CSV-format
logging in that case.
Hope this helps.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
I'm not understanding how to use Filtered Messages. The
documentation isn't clear and I'm not able to find any
explanations elsewhere online. I opened Filtered Messages
after joining the APRSThursday ANSRVR message group, HOTG. I'm
seeing messages sent to me in YAAC via the pop-up Messages
window. However, they are not showing in Filtered Messages. I
have no Message Filters selected in the second tab.?
We have an APRSThursday Worked-All-States event starting in
June, and I wanted to prepare by testing saving messages to a
log. Am I missing something?
Running YAAC 1.0-beta181
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The Filtered Messages view only displays messages that specifically match its inclusion filters. No filter, no filtered messages.
The Filtered Messages filters are used to specify which specific messages you want to see on that view (independent of the general display filters specified on the Filter->Edit Filter menu choice). For example, if you were trying to collect
bulletin messages, you could filter by message (not AX.25) destinations starting with "BLN". The intent was to pick out a specific set of messages for logging from a "noisy" channel with lots of irrelevant traffic.
The big problem with the HOTG group is that the?ANSRVR forwards messages as if they were sent by the original callsign, not by the ANSRVR, so you couldn't filter by sending station.
Note that YAAC can save _everything_ it receives to its default logs if you enable logging received AX.25 traffic in the expert-mode Configuration dialog. You could then post-filter the log to extract the HOTG
traffic. I would recommend using CSV-format logging in that case.
Hope this helps.
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
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Show quoted text
I'm not understanding how to use Filtered Messages. The documentation isn't clear and I'm not able to find any explanations elsewhere online. I opened Filtered Messages after joining the APRSThursday ANSRVR message group, HOTG. I'm seeing messages sent to me
in YAAC via the pop-up Messages window. However, they are not showing in Filtered Messages. I have no Message Filters selected in the second tab.?
We have an APRSThursday Worked-All-States event starting in June, and I wanted to prepare by testing saving messages to a log. Am I missing something?
Running YAAC 1.0-beta181
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I'm not understanding how to use Filtered Messages. The documentation isn't clear and I'm not able to find any explanations elsewhere online. I opened Filtered Messages after joining the APRSThursday ANSRVR message group, HOTG. I'm seeing messages sent to me in YAAC via the pop-up Messages window. However, they are not showing in Filtered Messages. I have no Message Filters selected in the second tab.?
We have an APRSThursday Worked-All-States event starting in June, and I wanted to prepare by testing saving messages to a log. Am I missing something?
Running YAAC 1.0-beta181
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Re: Not receiving messages?
That Lynn, that helps clear things up!
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Re: Not receiving messages?
To aid in your general understanding of
APRS messaging, you might want to read an article I wrote a while
back.
Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE
for Windows Mobile and Win32
On 5/12/2023 4:59 PM, Mike W7MVG wrote:
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Thanks Andrew, I think I'm starting to understand. So let's say
someone sends me a message, that message gets picked up by an
i-gate and broadcast on the internet, and any i-gates that have
recently heard my station will take that message and transmit it
over RF? Is that correct?
Also, is there somewhere that I can read up on what the different
entries in the destination column in the raw packet sniffer mean?
For example, a recent entry from one of my location beacons shows
a destination entry of "APRS<-W7BJH-1*". Does this mean that
W7BJH-1 digipeated my packet? And what does the APRS mean in this
instance?
Thanks again!
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Re: Not receiving messages?
Thanks Andrew, I think I'm starting to understand. So let's say someone sends me a message, that message gets picked up by an i-gate and broadcast on the internet, and any i-gates that have recently heard my station will take that message and transmit it over RF? Is that correct?
Also, is there somewhere that I can read up on what the different entries in the destination column in the raw packet sniffer mean? For example, a recent entry from one of my location beacons shows a destination entry of "APRS<-W7BJH-1*". Does this mean that W7BJH-1 digipeated my packet? And what does the APRS mean in this instance?
Thanks again!
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Re: Not receiving messages?
You don't tell it to use any specific I-gate. _Every_ I-gate that can hear you will forward your packets to APRS-IS. Similarly, every I-gate that heard you and is transmit-capable will transmit replies to you. However, transmit-capable I-gates
generally do not specify digipeat paths on their RF retransmissions, so if you cannot directly hear the I-gate, you won't hear its retransmission of the reply.
You might want to go mobile/portable APRS and drive near enough to the individual I-gates to hear them directly, and then query some other APRS-IS server service like WHO-IS or WXBOT to see if you can hear the replies.?
It may just be that you are not in direct range of a transmit-capable I-gate.?
Andrew, KA2DDO
author of YAAC
Ah, that's probably it then. The closest i-gate to me (about 3 miles) is receive only. I don't suppose there's any way to send a message and tell it not to use that i-gate? There are several others around me that should be able to pick up my transmissions.
Thanks
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Re: Not receiving messages?
Ah, that's probably it then. The closest i-gate to me (about 3 miles) is receive only. I don't suppose there's any way to send a message and tell it not to use that i-gate? There are several others around me that should be able to pick up my transmissions.
Thanks
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Re: Not receiving messages?
How are you sending the messages? Over RF? In that case, you're only going to see a reply if (and ONLY if) the I-gate(s) that forwarded your RF packets to APRS-IS are transmit-capable so they can put the responses on RF where you can hear them, and you are close enough to those transmit-capable I-gates to hear them without digipeaters (most transmit-capable I-gates don't specify digipeat paths on their IS->RF transmissions). That is the curse of the receive-only I-gate: it does not allow responses to be returned to the RF stations that initiated the conversation. Receive-only I-gates are using the fallacy that RF stations need to be copied to the Internet for Internet-only consumption but Internet traffic doesn't need to go back to the RF stations. APRS was originally designed as an RF protocol. Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Mike W7MVG <mike@...> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 2:26 PM Hello, I'm completely new at this so bear with me. I have YAAC setup and seems to be working fine. I'm beaconing out and can see my station on aprs.fi. I'm trying to figure out messages. I sent out a message for APRS Thursday and on aprs.fi I can see that I'm getting responses, but I'm not getting back any messages in YAAC. In the raw packet viewer I can see I'm receiving packets from other stations, including messages, just none that are addressed for me. Do I have something set up incorrectly? I'm kind of lost here. Thanks
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Hello, I'm completely new at this so bear with me. I have YAAC setup and seems to be working fine. I'm beaconing out and can see my station on aprs.fi. I'm trying to figure out messages. I sent out a message for APRS Thursday and on aprs.fi I can see that I'm getting responses, but I'm not getting back any messages in YAAC. In the raw packet viewer I can see I'm receiving packets from other stations, including messages, just none that are addressed for me. Do I have something set up incorrectly? I'm kind of lost here.
Thanks
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The radar raster map is out of position. It is centered about 100miles north of where it should actually be. Last night's rain over northern Missouri was showing up between Omaha and Des Moines.
Any ideas?
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Base YAAC can't do that. But the smallscreen plugin can partially do that (since it was intended for mobile operation). It's a bit of a screen real-estate pig for desktop usage on a regular monitor, but it can store messages of your choice (not just the default ones I copied from my cellphone's default text replies on the car hands-free system). However, the smallscreen window's Messages tab is set up to send these as one-touch replies to other stations, so you might have to keep fixing the TO field. To configure your custom messages, you will have to use the expert-mode Configuration dialog to modify the list of canned messages. Hope this helps. Andrew, KA2DDO author of YAAC ________________________________________ From: [email protected] < [email protected]> on behalf of Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 7:06 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [yaac-users] Canned Messages I have some messages that I send on a recurring basis, such as the APRSThursday reports, POTA Spots, status reports, etc. Is it possible to somehow store a number of canned messages that I can just pick from a list that will have the TO, VIA, and message info? That way I can prepare a bunch of POTA Spot messages for various parks I frequent and other messages to just click and send? -- 73, Michael WA7SKG "Any day you do not learn one new thing is a wasted day."
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Giovanni IZ5PQT
