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Re: Xpander not playing in polyphonic?

 

God, loving the expander.

it's deep and in your face.

smooth but messy?
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strange/awesome

z


NEW ALLIANCE EAST!!!!

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From: finni604
To: xpantastic@...
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:38 PM
Subject: [xpantastic] Re: Xpander not playing in polyphonic?

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yes. Thanks. I'm sorted!

--- In xpantastic@..., Karl Schmeer wrote:
>
> go to Master Page >>??Pick the Zone your voices are assigned to (1 - 6) probobly 1 >>?? On the zone page at the far??right are the key mode settings.
> Hope this helps. I am getting called for dinner, so Ill check back in a bit
> ??
> Best
> ??
> Karl
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: finni604
> To: xpantastic@...
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 7:18 PM
> Subject: [xpantastic] Re: Xpander not playing in polyphonic?
>
>
>
> ??
>
> quite possibly...sounds like it.
>
> been a while since i turned her on.
>
> where in the menu can I change this?
>
> --- In mailto:xpantastic%40yahoogroups.com, Tony Cappellini > >
> > Are you in Unison mode?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:09 PM, finni604 <finni604@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Can't seem to figure out why multiple voices are not heard simultaneously.
> > > Only one key (note) seems to be playing at any given time.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>




Re: Xpander not playing in polyphonic?

 

yes. Thanks. I'm sorted!

--- In xpantastic@..., Karl Schmeer <shire03@...> wrote:

go to Master Page >>??Pick the Zone your voices are assigned to (1 - 6) probobly 1 >>?? On the zone page at the far??right are the key mode settings.
Hope this helps. I am getting called for dinner, so Ill check back in a bit
??
Best
??
Karl


________________________________
From: finni604 <finni604@...>
To: xpantastic@...
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 7:18 PM
Subject: [xpantastic] Re: Xpander not playing in polyphonic?



??

quite possibly...sounds like it.

been a while since i turned her on.

where in the menu can I change this?

--- In mailto:xpantastic%40yahoogroups.com, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112@> wrote:

Are you in Unison mode?


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:09 PM, finni604 <finni604@> wrote:

**


Can't seem to figure out why multiple voices are not heard simultaneously.
Only one key (note) seems to be playing at any given time.

Any ideas?




Re: Xpander not playing in polyphonic?

 

go to Master Page >>?Pick the Zone your voices are assigned to (1 - 6) probobly 1 >>? On the zone page at the far?right are the key mode settings.
Hope this helps. I am getting called for dinner, so Ill check back in a bit
?
Best
?
Karl

From: finni604
To: xpantastic@...
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 7:18 PM
Subject: [xpantastic] Re: Xpander not playing in polyphonic?
?
quite possibly...sounds like it.

been a while since i turned her on.

where in the menu can I change this?

--- In mailto:xpantastic%40yahoogroups.com, Tony Cappellini wrote:
>
> Are you in Unison mode?
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:09 PM, finni604 <finni604@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Can't seem to figure out why multiple voices are not heard simultaneously.
> > Only one key (note) seems to be playing at any given time.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


Re: Xpander not playing in polyphonic?

 

quite possibly...sounds like it.

been a while since i turned her on.

where in the menu can I change this?

--- In xpantastic@..., Tony Cappellini <cappy2112@...> wrote:

Are you in Unison mode?


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:09 PM, finni604 <finni604@...> wrote:

**


Can't seem to figure out why multiple voices are not heard simultaneously.
Only one key (note) seems to be playing at any given time.

Any ideas?




Re: Xpander not playing in polyphonic?

 

Are you in Unison mode?


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:09 PM, finni604 <finni604@...> wrote:
?

Can't seem to figure out why multiple voices are not heard simultaneously. Only one key (note) seems to be playing at any given time.

Any ideas?




Xpander not playing in polyphonic?

 

Can't seem to figure out why multiple voices are not heard simultaneously. Only one key (note) seems to be playing at any given time.

Any ideas?


Re: Any other iPad Apps for Xpander

 

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Thank you Doug! I'll check this.
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Tiitu :)
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To: xpantastic@...
From: cappy2112@...
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 18:34:14 -0700
Subject: Re: [xpantastic] Re: Any other iPad Apps for Xpander

?
The keywords in the subject - iPad Apps


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:20 PM, synthparts <synthparts@...> wrote:
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There's this if you have a PC -


Doug



--- In xpantastic@..., "envia94" >
> Hi,
>
> After the discontinued iXpander iPad App, does anybody know if there are any better Midi App suitable for controlling Xpander available or planned? (PS. I never got iXpander working properly! ... Was it a hoax?!)
>
> Tiitu
>





Re: Any other iPad Apps for Xpander

 

The keywords in the subject - iPad Apps


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:20 PM, synthparts <synthparts@...> wrote:
?

There's this if you have a PC -


Doug



--- In xpantastic@..., "envia94" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> After the discontinued iXpander iPad App, does anybody know if there are any better Midi App suitable for controlling Xpander available or planned? (PS. I never got iXpander working properly! ... Was it a hoax?!)
>
> Tiitu
>



Re: Any other iPad Apps for Xpander

 

There's this if you have a PC -


Doug
synthparts.com

--- In xpantastic@..., "envia94" <akva@...> wrote:

Hi,

After the discontinued iXpander iPad App, does anybody know if there are any better Midi App suitable for controlling Xpander available or planned? (PS. I never got iXpander working properly! ... Was it a hoax?!)

Tiitu


Re: Any other iPad Apps for Xpander

 


Re: Any other iPad Apps for Xpander

 

I agree, but software could be used to visualize most of the settings at once or change several of them quickly by using a graphical patch map similarly to Korg Chaos Pad or readily programmed patches, for example. I also think that iPad is better for this than Korg's Pad due to higher resolution and programmability. And, you can use iPad as a MIDI "keyboard" as well as controller. This is what I have in mind, but the sound unit replaced with an Xpander/M12 as the sound source:




Cheers,
Tiitu.

--- In xpantastic@..., Omar <holografique@...> wrote:

IMHO, remote control and/or software editing goes against the
"experience". Short of navigating complex modulation routings, the Xpander
has a very well thought out and layed out editing system that is easy to
navigate, modify parameters, and not get lost. For me a big part of the
Xpander "experience" is editing directly on it, the same way a guitarist
enjoys the certain feel and experience of a particular old vintage guitar.

While software editors do have some benefits (easy view of mod routings,
random patch settings, etc), for me it goes against one of the key points
of using hardware: having a hands-on approach to working with its powerful
analog synth architecture versus point/click with a mouse or touchpad.





On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, Karl Schmeer wrote:

**


Last time I checked there are lots of DIY remote controller apps out
there. I think the complexity of the Xpander, having to use sysex
commands and the business model for selling apps makes it hard to do.
The number of Xpander users could not be much larger than 3000, and even
that estimate would depend on all of us using ipads.

Karl




*From:* envia94 <akva@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'akva@...');>>
*To:* xpantastic@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'xpantastic@...');>
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:12 PM
*Subject:* [xpantastic] Any other iPad Apps for Xpander
**

Hi,

After the discontinued iXpander iPad App, does anybody know if there are
any better Midi App suitable for controlling Xpander available or planned?
(PS. I never got iXpander working properly! ... Was it a hoax?!)

Tiitu

****



Re: Any other iPad Apps for Xpander

 

IMHO, remote control and/or software editing goes against the "experience".?Short of navigating complex modulation routings, the Xpander has a very well thought out and layed out editing system that is easy to navigate, modify parameters, and not get lost. For me a?big part?of the Xpander "experience" is editing directly?on it, the same way a guitarist enjoys the certain feel and experience?of a particular?old vintage guitar.?

While software editors do have some benefits (easy view of mod routings, random patch settings, etc), for me?it goes against one of the key points of using hardware:?having a hands-on approach to working with its powerful analog synth architecture versus point/click with a mouse or touchpad.





On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, Karl Schmeer wrote:
?

Last time I checked there are lots of DIY remote controller apps out there. I think the complexity of the Xpander, having to use sysex commands?and?the business model for selling?apps makes it hard to do. The?number?of Xpander users?could not be much larger than 3000, and even that estimate?would depend on all of us using ipads.
?
Karl
?
?
?

From: envia94 <akva@...>
To: xpantastic@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:12 PM
Subject: [xpantastic] Any other iPad Apps for Xpander
?
Hi,

After the discontinued iXpander iPad App, does anybody know if there are any better Midi App suitable for controlling Xpander available or planned? (PS. I never got iXpander working properly! ... Was it a hoax?!)

Tiitu


Re: Any other iPad Apps for Xpander

 

Last time I checked there are lots of DIY remote controller apps out there. I think the complexity of the Xpander, having to use sysex commands?and?the business model for selling?apps makes it hard to do. The?number?of Xpander users?could not be much larger than 3000, and even that estimate?would depend on all of us using ipads.
?
Karl
?
?
?

From: envia94
To: xpantastic@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:12 PM
Subject: [xpantastic] Any other iPad Apps for Xpander
?
Hi,

After the discontinued iXpander iPad App, does anybody know if there are any better Midi App suitable for controlling Xpander available or planned? (PS. I never got iXpander working properly! ... Was it a hoax?!)

Tiitu


Any other iPad Apps for Xpander

 

Hi,

After the discontinued iXpander iPad App, does anybody know if there are any better Midi App suitable for controlling Xpander available or planned? (PS. I never got iXpander working properly! ... Was it a hoax?!)

Tiitu


Re: Xpander/Matrix-12 op-amps upgrade follow-up, capacitor and VCA gain question

 

Somewhat related, I wanted to ask people about the effect of oscillator volumes on audible distortion. I almost always kept osc. volumes at 63, thinking that there is no difference between 63 or less in terms of gain or saturation. However, testing this yesterday (lowering the volumes to ~30, with high resonance and no filter modulation) I did seem to notice that, at lower volumes, there was a mild decrease in some mid-upper resonant frequencies.

Of course it's not uncommon to have a bit of extra distortion/saturation with max volume on some analog synths, but it's not something I associate with Oberheims (most don't even have osc volumes!). And it surprises me that I would have to turn the volumes down so low to hear any difference. I realize it's a bit subjective, but can anyone else comment on their experience with this, i.e. am I really hearing any differences?
I'm curious how changing op-amps/capacitors might affect this, or if it's just inherent to the design.
Having done some more testing, I can address my own comment a bit better. This may not be news to some people, but distortion is definitely present with both oscillator volumes 63 and it's most noticeable when using high resonance. The seems to appear more as a kind of squashing of harmonics rather than pure overdrive, and leads to some of that grunge that I find annoying on the Xpander. Things clear up a little at 45, more at 30, and the best at around 20. At 20, and with high resonance, the resonant peaks stand more (not surprising, since you're not turning the resonance "volume" down) whereas at 63, the peaks seem to get compressed within the overall signal and other subtle inharmonic distortion is introduced.

Without resonance, it's harder to hear any difference between the different volumes unless you start boosting the high end with external EQ (as I did), but the distortion is still there. All of this is pretty subtle to be sure, but in case you, like me, are looking for a way to tame some of the grungey overtone, knocking the osc volumes down will help somewhat. Wish I'd tried this some time ago!


Xpander/Matrix-12 op-amps upgrade follow-up, capacitor and VCA gain question

 

Hi all,

This has been discussed before, and I have since been in contact with the person who did this (Keith Sterling) to their Matrix-12, so I wanted to share the details here. This was done over 15 years ago, so there may be better parts than specified below now, but these parts have worked fine for Keith since then.

I have put some photos that I will refer to here in the Photos section. AD = Analog Devices.

-Replace the TL074 at C213-713 with AD713JN (essentially a quad AD OP275) (Pic "AD713JN"). Keith: The OP275 has a much higher slew rate than the TL071/072/074. I did my mod a long time ago and there are probably better chips out there now, for example the Burr Brown OPA4132, but the Analog Devices I used yields noticeable improvement.

-Replace TL072/82 at C215-715 with AD OP275 (Pic "OP275 OP176 and caps"). Keith: Also you must solder small (50pf) caps across the feedback resistors if you don't want your Matrix-12 to be a 12 voice theremin (check photos for exact placement). These caps are small enough to not affect the sound in any way.

-Replace TL081 at C249-749 with AD OP176 (pic "OP275 OP176 and caps"). Matt: These are obsolete now but I managed to find some at utsource on ebay.

-Replace the voice summer op-amp (TL072) with AD OP275 (Pic "OP275").

That's it!

In addition to replacing the op-amps (which I know some people disagree about in terms of possible improvement), I was wondering about audio cap replacement. This is another contentious issue, but I have heard at least one re-capped xpander in person, and it did seem to sound better (sharper?). Unfortunately, I couldn't A/B with an uncapped one. Nevertheless, on a 25+ year old machine, I can't see it hurting and if there was a possibility of improving sound quality, it seems work doing.

Somewhat related, I wanted to ask people about the effect of oscillator volumes on audible distortion. I almost always kept osc. volumes at 63, thinking that there is no difference between 63 or less in terms of gain or saturation. However, testing this yesterday (lowering the volumes to ~30, with high resonance and no filter modulation) I did seem to notice that, at lower volumes, there was a mild decrease in some mid-upper resonant frequencies.

Of course it's not uncommon to have a bit of extra distortion/saturation with max volume on some analog synths, but it's not something I associate with Oberheims (most don't even have osc volumes!). And it surprises me that I would have to turn the volumes down so low to hear any difference. I realize it's a bit subjective, but can anyone else comment on their experience with this, i.e. am I really hearing any differences?
I'm curious how changing op-amps/capacitors might affect this, or if it's just inherent to the design.


Re: Linear tuning shift using the tracking generator or otherwise?

 

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Moog Subfatty and Minitaur are V/Hz OSCs which allows steady OSC frequency beating across the OSCs range.

You can come somewhat close using the Xpanders tracking generator, but you have only 1 value per octave of a 61-key span to adjust.
Everything outside a keyspan of 61 keys isnt covered by the tracking generators anyway.
To make it work constant, youd need to adjust the OSCs pitch tracking per key, not octave.


Am 21.04.2013 02:11, schrieb mattvrazo:

Hi all,

Anyone have any suggestions how to obtain linear tracking of one oscillator to maintain a steady beating frequency across all octaves?

I.e., some way to add a set voltage to osc1 pitch so that it stays X Hz above oscillator 2 regardless of pitch? Was introduced to this idea by new synths such as the subphatty, and also through the "ultrasaw" concept on the Aurturia minibrute.

I tried this with the tracking generator by scaling the pitch frequency across the keyboard, but it only kind of worked (and not consistently). Maybe I should have tried using the same value across the tracking generator?

It seems like it should be possible using some parameter, or combination thereof.

Matt



Linear tuning shift using the tracking generator or otherwise?

 

Hi all,

Anyone have any suggestions how to obtain linear tracking of one oscillator to maintain a steady beating frequency across all octaves?

I.e., some way to add a set voltage to osc1 pitch so that it stays X Hz above oscillator 2 regardless of pitch? Was introduced to this idea by new synths such as the subphatty, and also through the "ultrasaw" concept on the Aurturia minibrute.

I tried this with the tracking generator by scaling the pitch frequency across the keyboard, but it only kind of worked (and not consistently). Maybe I should have tried using the same value across the tracking generator?

It seems like it should be possible using some parameter, or combination thereof.

Matt


Re: SOLD: Custom wood Xpander angled risers

 

**SOLD**

On Apr 20, 2013, at 9:51 AM, endofcommon@... wrote:

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For sale. Had these made for a second Xpander I no longer have. If you
using your Xpander on a flat surface these mount on the bottom to give
you a great angle to program. Custom made in carpenters workshop and
stained with rubber feet and screws. Asking $25 shipped USPS in the
USA (worldwide postage extra). You will need to mount them on the
bottom of your Xpander. Photo attached. Please email if interested: endofcommon@...

Photo link:





FS: Custom wood Xpander angled risers

 

For sale. Had these made for a second Xpander I no longer have. If you using your Xpander on a flat surface these mount on the bottom to give you a great angle to program. Custom made in carpenters workshop and stained with rubber feet and screws. Asking $25 shipped USPS in the USA (worldwide postage extra). You will need to mount them on the bottom of your Xpander. Photo attached. Please email if interested: endofcommon@...

Photo link: