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I hear BK is not really a prosign, but I'd like to make it one for the purpose of POTA.

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Is it doable?

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Also, I can't get the Farnsworth timing to zero-out in the Modem/CW/WinKeyer menu. It's stuck on 10. I know I can remove the Farnsworth with a command in the macros, but that seems kinda awkward.

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Thanks

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Hello George,

Thanks for your friendly feedback! It's always good to know that the posted replies are actually read and even may be of some benefit, for a few at least...


To your question, well, I'm located in the central / northern part of Bavaria (loc. JN59), at quite a distance west of Nuremberg ('N眉rnberg' in German), thus too far north to see the Alps or the like, which most people would consider more typical when thinking about Bavaria.

Yet it's still close enough to receive some FM signals from neighboring Austria (Salzburg) via aircraft scatter or, on a few occasions per year, quite loud and long lasting, via tropospheric propagation.


Is there still anything on SW to be heard (apart ham communications) on a regular basis from the West Coast, I wonder?


73s and all the best, George!

Tobias
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Hello David,

Thanks a lot for the new Alpha version 'fldigi ver4.2.06.27'.

There are 2 more ITA2 Baudot shifts that would need to be implemented, please, since they still don't print correctly in this new version.


Here's an example of a DRA5 (24/7 on 5195 kHz) Solar Wx Report decoded in FLdigi, showing one of the 2 'missing' character swaps:

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SOLAR CONDITIONS:
SOLAR WIND SPEED 420 420 420 KM
SOLAR WIND DENSITY 18 18 18 CM-3
SOLAR WIND TEMP 112 112 112 KK
IMF BZ COMPONENT "2 "2 "2 NT <-- this is how it's shown even with 'ITA-2 encode' switched ON.
IMF BZ COMPONENT +2 +2 +2 NT <-- this is the way it should print instead.


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The second one, not shown above, is the swap between ';' and '=', which is also part of the ITA2 standard, or USTTY variant, respectively.


An overview can be found in the attached commented extract of a Wikipedia page. I'd suggest to leave the further 2 character swaps (beyond the ones mentioned above) unchanged and keep the 'US' variant in both settings, for obvious reasons, since they are more likely to be used.


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Other observations:

Trying to 'install' the new alpha fldigi ver4.2.06.27 by just copying the new files (from the archive) into an existing installation failed for some reason. This means using fldigi.files (config etc). from my last used fldigi ver4.2.06.19 didn't work. While launching the previous (.19) version in the same folder continued to worked without any issues, running the new (.27) caused a program abort, without any notice, even before producing a Gui window, but fldigi.exe was temporarily present in the Task Manager. This was repetitive. Unlike previous updates which allowed keeping all personal config files, the latest alpha sadly didn't provide this (most useful) option.

On the other hand, a complete new installation (into a fresh 'FL_APPS' folder) opened Fldigi correctly. The new ITA-2 choice was available as intended for RTTY.
Yet, the 'AFC' function was auto-activated again with the AFC Button greyed out, thus causing a permanent frequency offset 'runaway', without an obvious way to escape this issue. But as discussed in February, the issue can be permanently fixed by unchecking the 'Save parameters per mode per band' option and then restarting FLdigi. Kim Andrew Elliott has successfully started using one of your recent alpha versions for his SW Radiograms, after applying this trick.


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Finally, for a future new fldigi release, I'd like to repeat asking about my couple of improvement suggestions, which I had attached in the following e-mail:

Re: [winfldigi] New web hosting site for www.w1hkj
2025-02-04 at 18:32 [this timestamp probably is CET, not UTC or even your local time zone]



Thank you David and all the best!


73s Tobias
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commit 39f388baf4b364a4abedc366f7fc7d5d346aadb5Author: dave-w1hkj <w1hkj@...>Date:   Sat Apr 5 09:35:00 2025 -0600    Alpha          * version 4.2.06.27commit e4ed761d6e6fea3740d70654d5aff2722dcde225Author: dave-w1hkj <w1hkj@...>Date:   Fri Apr 4 14:06:16 2025 -0500    TTY ITA2          * allow user to select USTTY or ITA2 for Baudot shifted characters

fldigi 4.2.06.27 development version available for testing

Hello Tobias,

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Thanks very much for the detail on the UI Scheme setting location.听 It had moved from where it was previously located.

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I had already set the waterfall height to 100, which is the lowest value.

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Enjoy your weekend.听 I wonder where in Bavaria you are located.听 It has been a long time since I was in that part of Germany.

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Regards,

George

Hello George,

Please simply make your favorite setting in the 'Colors-Fonts - Buttons-Menus' section, see attachment.

In case you care doing so, you can now even change the Menu font (and size!), see the respective Button just above the UI scheme selection.

Also, to make a little more room for your Rx text, you can reduce the height of the waterfall (in the 'Config - Waterfall' Dialog, it will show upon the next FLdig restart).


Enjoy!


73s Tobias
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Please see the attached picture.

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I just installed the latest FLDigi update (4.2.06) after not updating for a number of years.听 Has the plastic-looking option been removed for displaying macro buttons, as described by Ed, W3NR, above?听 I no longer see an option for the UI Scheme that allowed selecting plastic as an option.

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Thanks,

George, NJ3H

Redmond, Oregon USA

Thank you David for your reply. Is this something that could be added in a future version of FLDigi?

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Hello Rich,

Sounds like a great system to have all stations on the same page,so to speak.

For comparison, we had our weekly DL0BS QTC here in Bavaria last night, as every Monday evening from 1900 UTC centered around 3590.75 kHz 80 m. As an SWL, I am just listening but supply a QTC and signal report over time by e-mail to interested participants. The DigiMode has been MFSK32 for about 1.5 years now and all get along quite well without extra tuning assistance, despite the classic MFSK modes being quite sensitive against any offset beyond a few Hz. Most stations use RSID and it works just fine this way. The mode is faster than most people can type, so things run quite swiftly. QRP or remote stations may use MFSK16 instead, like W1AW does for their QST bulletins.

I attach my signal chart just for the qsl traffic, to give you an idea. The vertical scale is in Hz, offset from my rx tuned QRG of 3588.0 kHz. This time, the center frequency was 0.2 kHz low for whatever reason, but everyone adapted to it without any hickups...



All the best and 73s


Tobias
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The ITA2 character set is not a part of fldigi, but easily added (or substituted).听 You would have to modify the source code file rtty.cxx and recompile fldigi.

Good morn' back to you, Rich.

All agreed as you state it below.


I guess the trailing center tone is intended for 'listeners' to help them center their receiver or fldigi offset.

I don't see a technical reason.

Just a wild guess, though...


Have a great day and enjoy ham radio!


73s Tobias
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Hello George,

I wasn't aware this 'reset' might happen once the values were manually set.


To prevent any direct FLdigi induced modifications, you can, of course, edit the fldigi.prefs file and then write protect it (via right click - Properties - 'Read-only' or the like), but then if you change anything while running FLdigi, this also won't be stored for the next launch. So there's always a snag, it seems...


When I tried to figure out what to modify, I found a couple of other parameters which may or may not have an effect, too, e.g.:
rx_text_height:
tile_y:
tile_h:
tile_y_ratio:

...and so on. Unfortunately, some of these config keys are not really self-explanatory and a few called 'ratio' actually appear to be a decimal factor around 1, while others, despite also being called 'ratio', are given in pixels, which is not exactly easy to understand, as far as I'm concerned.


So I agree, and I fear that's where we're stuck at this point.


Just like you, I wish David who (unlike me) really knows what he does and advises would reply directly with a 'proper' solution...


Hopefully another input or idea will evolve at some point, but until then, enjoy the radio hobby and FLdigi nonetheless!


73s Tobias
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What 鈥渕ode鈥� are you using when you see this?

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I hear it go fom low to high pitch tones like a trombone.

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Go to Psk31 and see if you still notice tones at the start and end

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Olivia also sends a string at the start of an Olivia mode from the lowest pitch tone to the highest pitch tone,

which sounds like 鈥渂oo-beep鈥� twice

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Hello Tobias,

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Well the issue has returned with the wide gray area where the TX text was.听 What is strange is that when I close the program the "int_tile_y_ratio:" is reset to 835, it's original value.听 I have tried this a number of times.听 I make sure that the prefs text file is closed before running and closing FLDigi.听 When the gray area is displayed and then FLDigi is closed, the program appears to subtracting the gray area line height from the "int_tile_y_ratio:" value. 听 So I am stuck right now.

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In the really old day, W1HKJ would chime in with answers or comments.听 I am sure he is busier than a one-armed wallpaper hanger these days.听 So we have to look at this situation as not a bug, but a feature.听 It would just be nice to have a SWL version of the program.

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Thanks for the offer to write a script file for the character issue, but it is not worth the effort, as I generally read the incoming text as it is received.

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Have great Tuesday, Tobias.

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Hi George,

Thanks a lot for sharing your experience.

Since we kind of tweaked the 'standard' user interface behavior, it may well be that the full height is not updated until you restart FLdigi.
So hopefully you'll be OK for good as is.


Regarding the RTTY ITA2 character set, I think I had asked the same question a while ago in this group but it went uncommented. I have looked into as much as I understand about the program and could not find any means to replace the US RTTY character set with the European one.


As you show in your 'FLDigi_Images' on the right side, more modern modes such as MFSK (e.g. 32/64 as used in SW Radiogram) don't have this issue, and they even allow using many special characters over the air, if using UTF-8 encoding.


So I guess unless you get someone else's more knowledgeable feedback, we're stuck here for RTTY.


You can, of course, always write a little script allowing to re-convert the 'wrong' characters later, but then, of course, it's not 'live' on the screen but only possible after storing the text for a separate conversion step. If that's something anyway you'd be interested in, I could probably write it for you (but I can handle MS-Windows only here), if you send me an example text with the wrong <-> right cross-reference shown in some way.


But it would, of course, be a lot better to include the regional RTTY char set option in FLdigi directly. We have propagation beacons in Germany, called DRA5 (5195 kHz) and DK0WCY (10144 kHz) which also use RTTY once every hour and the same issues are observed every time, yet maybe to a lesser extent, because of the limited text in a Solar Wx Report.


Well, I guess now I'm QRU... ;-)


Have a great day and enjoy the higher Rx Pane...


73s from Bavaria,

Tobias
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I just tried it again after closing the program and things now work as they should.听 I will keep an eye on it.

Regards,

George

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