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I have the same turn signal arm on my '61 pickup and on my spare steering
wheel. Both units are marked "Spartan" and have a faded green skinny
plastic lens. Come to think about it, I think a have seen another somewhere
with a blue lens. My little rubber wheel turn signal is an ambitious little
bugger. It even likes to activate when reversing out of a parking spot.
Heck, all I need to add is the back-up light switch and one of those beeper
speakers to keep those "in a hurry" drivers away. ;-)

Chris Croyle (PA)
1961 Willys 4WD PU


Richard Grover <grover@...> wrote:

<<This unit is marked "Spartan" across the top side, raised letters on the
black plastic
shell. It has a slot through which you can see a flashing indicator lamp. (I
had to guess on the bulb since the old one was crushed.) It has a rubber
wheel that rolls against the bottom of the steering wheel hub that causes it
to self-cancel, at least sometimes. (The generic couldn't do that.)

Does anyone else have a similar signal arm? Is this an add-on or stock?

If anybody else has the same unit, should the indicator lamp fitting ride on
the arm or be stationary? Is there supposed to be a lens on the slot? What
color?

I think I might fabricate a lens out of Plexiglas scraps, and I could paint
it Candy Apple Red!>>

Spartan was original to my 58 CJ and my 61 SW. Carl has NOS for $60-$70.
Boxes are even moldy.
Lens I have seen are either Green or Blue. Seems like most lighting or
turn signal problems trace back to this unit. One switch, lots of wires.
Bob

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From: Reed Cary <recary@...>
To: WillysTech@...
Subject: Re: [WT] signal arm
Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 8:17 PM

From: Reed Cary <recary@...>

I can't see the cover, but this looks the same as one I had on my jeep.

Mine is marked All-State,

so must have come directly out of a Sears catalog. Since the 51 CJ-3A

never came with turn

signals, this one was an add-on. I restored it and had plans to put it

back on - I mean it's an

antique too. But when I found out that it was a three wire system, and

only worked with the rear

add-on turn-signal lights, which I had removed, I was stuck going to the

four wire system (The

European, they call it, using the brake light as a turn signal, too.

Mine was added some time in the mid- to late fifties, so they may all

have been made by the same

manufacturer and marketed under different names.

Reed (CA)

--- mhoneycut <mhoneycut@...> wrote:

Here are two pics I made when I tore into mine. Works very well now,

But I

cleaned the paint off the lens and it is bright all the time.

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From: Richard Grover <grover@...>
To: 'WillysTech@...'
Subject: [WT] signal arm
Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 3:40 PM

From: Richard Grover <grover@...>

Over the weekend I tinkered on my 60 wagon. I welded the firewall to

the

floor, fabricated a glove box of galvanized sheet metal (old

cardboard

thing

was just barely enough to give me a pattern), and repaired my signal

arm.

I had purchased a new generic signal arm unit from NAPA, but when I

got

the

old one apart, I realized that it could be repaired easily. This unit

is

marked "Spartan" across the top side, raised letters on the black

plastic

shell. It has a slot through which you can see a flashing indicator

lamp.

(I

had to guess on the bulb since the old one was crushed.) It has a

rubber

wheel that rolls against the bottom of the steering wheel hub that

causes

it

to self-cancel, at least sometimes. (The generic couldn't do that.)

Does anyone else have a similar signal arm? Is this an add-on or

stock?

If anybody else has the same unit, should the indicator lamp fitting

ride

on

the arm or be stationary? Is there supposed to be a lens on the slot?

What

color?

I think I might fabricate a lens out of Plexiglas scraps, and I could

paint

it Candy Apple Red!

Rick G. in AZ

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Yes. That's the same one. The light socket slips into that curl, right? Mine
seemed to be soldered in (wouldn't come out). Also, mine may have failed,
but it didn't look nearly as messy inside as yours! Are those tiny cobwebs
in there? And mine had minor rust spots on the chromed lever, but it
polished up fine. It looks like yours is going to need some paint! ;-)

You say bright blue all the time? It flashes doesn't it? It should only be
bright blue when the signal light is on, about 1 sec. on and then 1 sec.
off. How am I supposed to make a blue plastic lens? Multiple layers of blue
acetate?

Thanks for the picture. (Sorry for the ribbing - all in fun).

Rick G. in AZ


PS. Have you got a digital camera? Man, that was fast turn around!

I can't see the cover, but this looks the same as one I had on my jeep. Mine is marked All-State,
so must have come directly out of a Sears catalog. Since the 51 CJ-3A never came with turn
signals, this one was an add-on. I restored it and had plans to put it back on - I mean it's an
antique too. But when I found out that it was a three wire system, and only worked with the rear
add-on turn-signal lights, which I had removed, I was stuck going to the four wire system (The
European, they call it, using the brake light as a turn signal, too.

Mine was added some time in the mid- to late fifties, so they may all have been made by the same
manufacturer and marketed under different names.

Reed (CA)

--- mhoneycut <mhoneycut@...> wrote:

Here are two pics I made when I tore into mine. Works very well now, But I
cleaned the paint off the lens and it is bright all the time.

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From: Richard Grover <grover@...>
To: 'WillysTech@...'
Subject: [WT] signal arm
Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 3:40 PM

From: Richard Grover <grover@...>

Over the weekend I tinkered on my 60 wagon. I welded the firewall to the
floor, fabricated a glove box of galvanized sheet metal (old cardboard

thing

was just barely enough to give me a pattern), and repaired my signal arm.

I had purchased a new generic signal arm unit from NAPA, but when I got

the

old one apart, I realized that it could be repaired easily. This unit is
marked "Spartan" across the top side, raised letters on the black plastic
shell. It has a slot through which you can see a flashing indicator lamp.

(I

had to guess on the bulb since the old one was crushed.) It has a rubber
wheel that rolls against the bottom of the steering wheel hub that causes

it

to self-cancel, at least sometimes. (The generic couldn't do that.)

Does anyone else have a similar signal arm? Is this an add-on or stock?

If anybody else has the same unit, should the indicator lamp fitting ride

on

the arm or be stationary? Is there supposed to be a lens on the slot?

What

color?

I think I might fabricate a lens out of Plexiglas scraps, and I could

paint

it Candy Apple Red!

Rick G. in AZ

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I made a drawing of my glove box pattern (about 20 minutes) but lost the
file (I'm not quite sure how). Let me just say that the stock glove box and
the plastic one from AE Miller are very similar. However, it took me only 2
hours to make mine, and I had all the necessary materials on hand, so it
cost me nothing. From the picture, I estimate that the stock box (and my
sheetmetal replica) is about 2" deeper. It is as deep as it is wide. The
Miller box looks like a reasonable option, but I will post a pattern for
anyone who wants the thrill of "rolling their own".

Rick G. in AZ

Put the blue wire, put the blue wire out . . .

Ok, just about finished rewiring my 56 PU. Everything works fine except the
headlights. I believe I have the high beam/low beam switch hooked up wrong.
I didn't have a diagram for it, 3 terminals 4 wires, well I am electraphobic.
I would try all the various combinations but I don't want to fry up the new
wiring.

My switch has 3 terminals,
power terminal
high beam terminal
low beam terminal

Can anyone tell me which terminal is which?

I used the Willys America wiring harness which is a replica of the original.
I must say I know my truck much better and feel much more confident about
it's electrical health. I believe I removed two previous wiring harnesses
and several hack repair jobs. It's amazing how clean it all looks now. :}

If anyone know the proper order of the High/low terminals I would really
appreciate it.

Thanks,

Jim
56 PU L6 226 All new clean wiring . . . amazing!

Rick,
Yours sounds pretty fancy. Mine '56 PU has a Signal Stat 800 by Signal
Flare. It doesn't have any lights or self canceling mechanism.

When did turn signals become standard equipment?

Jim
56 PU L6 226 "Have to cacel my own signals"

Folks,

Been training up for my new job in a little town 32 miles (one way) from my hacienda. I have been driving my 55 pickup with the 6-226 motah, and the Saturn OD. I did an MPG check on the last tank of petrol, and got 18.5 MPGs. I was bursting with pride.

Mark that is asking about anyone with rear main seal replacement experience; dude, as Doc Holiday said to the Clampets, " I'm your huckleberry." (Lord, that's a hip expression even today!" Contact me at kravitzd@... if I can be any assistance to you.

Dave, any luck with your Columbian parts connection?

Anyone interested in getting a new tachometer for your 6 volt system, or any other guage for your 6, or 12 volt system, may consider calling Westach out of California. They can be contacted at 707-938-2121. They will send you a catalog if you request it.

18.5, can anyone beat that???

Respectfully, Dan

Here are two pics I made when I tore into mine. Works very well now, But I
cleaned the paint off the lens and it is bright all the time.

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From: Richard Grover <grover@...>
To: 'WillysTech@...'
Subject: [WT] signal arm
Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 3:40 PM

From: Richard Grover <grover@...>

Over the weekend I tinkered on my 60 wagon. I welded the firewall to the
floor, fabricated a glove box of galvanized sheet metal (old cardboard

thing

was just barely enough to give me a pattern), and repaired my signal arm.

I had purchased a new generic signal arm unit from NAPA, but when I got

the

old one apart, I realized that it could be repaired easily. This unit is
marked "Spartan" across the top side, raised letters on the black plastic
shell. It has a slot through which you can see a flashing indicator lamp.

(I

had to guess on the bulb since the old one was crushed.) It has a rubber
wheel that rolls against the bottom of the steering wheel hub that causes

it

to self-cancel, at least sometimes. (The generic couldn't do that.)

Does anyone else have a similar signal arm? Is this an add-on or stock?

If anybody else has the same unit, should the indicator lamp fitting ride

on

the arm or be stationary? Is there supposed to be a lens on the slot?

What

color?

I think I might fabricate a lens out of Plexiglas scraps, and I could

paint

it Candy Apple Red!

Rick G. in AZ

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I am having some difficulty finding parking light lens for an early 46
CJ2A. It has the flat round frosted lenses. I also am looking for a dash
light assembly. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Josh VanHoosen

Thought y'all might be interested.

Machine Design (trade magazine) has a bunch of info at
that looks worth
perusing (I'm only taken a cursory look myself so far.


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Hmmm, I'd like to see a picture of that - my brother's '49 setup is
identical to that in the pic.

David (OK-AR)
'50 4WD Pickup

Kendal,

I was thinking about photographing the glove box as I was building it. But
it was hot, (about 110) and I was working on the driveway, in the shade of
the mesquite tree (yes, I really am a shade tree mechanic!), and the camera
was way in the house...

I can probably give you a pattern from memory. Or better yet, I'll measure
my box and give you the measurements.

Rick G. in AZ


PS. Testors does not make Transparent Normandy Blue :-(

In a message dated 6/28/1999 1:33:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jender@... writes:

<< $39000 divided by 200 people is $195 per person. Problem is there are only
78 jeeps. That would be .39 of a jeep per person. On the other hand, 78
people putting in $500 per would cover the $39000 and leave one jeep per
person. Not a bad deal on the surface. >>

Unfortunately if you look closely the cost is $390,000.00, not $39,000.00.
Comes out to $5,000.00 per jeep- not such a great deal.....If, however, you
can get him down to $39,000.00 you can count on my $500.00!!!

Cris
'48 CJ2A
Rye, NY

At 12:40 PM 6/28/99 -0700, you wrote:

From: Richard Grover <grover@...>

Over the weekend I tinkered on my 60 wagon. I welded the firewall to the
floor, fabricated a glove box of galvanized sheet metal (old cardboard thing
was just barely enough to give me a pattern), and repaired my signal arm.

Rick,

Could you post/send the pattern for the glove box that you made per chance?
Mine is totally destroyed.

I had purchased a new generic signal arm unit from NAPA, but when I got the
old one apart, I realized that it could be repaired easily. This unit is
marked "Spartan" across the top side, raised letters on the black plastic
shell. It has a slot through which you can see a flashing indicator lamp. (I
had to guess on the bulb since the old one was crushed.) It has a rubber
wheel that rolls against the bottom of the steering wheel hub that causes it
to self-cancel, at least sometimes. (The generic couldn't do that.)

Does anyone else have a similar signal arm? Is this an add-on or stock?

I have the same one. Do not know if it is stock or not but always assumed it
was.

If anybody else has the same unit, should the indicator lamp fitting ride on
the arm or be stationary? Is there supposed to be a lens on the slot? What
color?

The fitting is stationary. I do not remember right now how it is connected
and do not have to time to take it apart but I might later this evening. If
I remember right there are two small screws that attach it to the case
itself. There is a lens on the slot and it is (Normandy :-)) blue.

Any other questions about it? I need to tear into it anyway because I still
have one brake light out and as this is the only place that I have not
rewired that circuit it is the only place left to find the trouble. Anyway I
would be happy to try and document how it is put together. Unfortunately I
have neither a digital camera nor scanner.


Kendal Jackson
--It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm
really quite busy--

In a message dated 6/28/99 7:23:50 PM Central Daylight Time, kravitzd@...
writes:

<<
18.5, can anyone beat that???

Respectfully, Dan >>

Dan how about 8.6 MPG at 80 MPH. :-)

Very nice tune up Dan. That's more MPG than I expected from an L-226 in one
of these old trucks. Good job. How's the seal holding up?

Rick S (TX)

I know I made my own glove box, but if I had it to do over again I probably
wouldn't. I think first I would call these guys at:

They offer plastic (I know to some that's a sacrilege) glove boxes for the
trucks and wagons for $24.95

Rick S (TX)

I just got back from NAPA and guess what I have in my pocket. A brand new
backup light switch from a Kenworth, Peterbuilt or IH semi truck. I think
this switch will work great. In the next few days I'm going to try to
install it in a shift tower and let you know how it goes.

I must apologize though for misleading some folks. When I got back from NAPA
I pulled the access cover panel from over my shifter, only to discover that
it doesn't have the boss built into it. Next I went down and looked at
Frank's and it doesn't have the boss either. I was beginning to think I had
lost my mind by the time I went and got the shift tower I pulled apart this
weekend. At least it had the boss built into it. Whew, at least I'm not
completely loosing my mind. In my mind I remembered them all having the boss.

In fairness to those of you that got your hopes up, I'm going to try to
install the switch into a shift tower that doesn't have the boss. After
looking at it, I don't see any reason to believe that it won't work just as
well.

The part number for those of you that aren't patient enough to let me mess
one up first is, NAPA part NS6581. My NAPA store had 23 of these switches on
hand, so they shouldn't be too hard to come by.

One other thing I found while looking through the book, was a backup light
switch for 54-65 Jeeps and Kaisers. It looked just like a headlamp switch.
I guess you would turn it on when you wanted to back up and turn it off when
you got done. I'd never remember to turn the thing off myself.

Rick S (TX)

EUPHORIA: That feeling you get just after you've had a great idea and just
before you've figured out what's wrong with it.


John Ender
jender@...

'71 Jeepster Commando (Daily Driver)
'48 Willys CJ2A
'32 Ford Pickup (Model"B")

Over the weekend I tinkered on my 60 wagon. I welded the firewall to the
floor, fabricated a glove box of galvanized sheet metal (old cardboard thing
was just barely enough to give me a pattern), and repaired my signal arm.

I had purchased a new generic signal arm unit from NAPA, but when I got the
old one apart, I realized that it could be repaired easily. This unit is
marked "Spartan" across the top side, raised letters on the black plastic
shell. It has a slot through which you can see a flashing indicator lamp. (I
had to guess on the bulb since the old one was crushed.) It has a rubber
wheel that rolls against the bottom of the steering wheel hub that causes it
to self-cancel, at least sometimes. (The generic couldn't do that.)

Does anyone else have a similar signal arm? Is this an add-on or stock?

If anybody else has the same unit, should the indicator lamp fitting ride on
the arm or be stationary? Is there supposed to be a lens on the slot? What
color?

I think I might fabricate a lens out of Plexiglas scraps, and I could paint
it Candy Apple Red!

Rick G. in AZ