Sorry on my response as I had switched over to 12v. Didn't get that this was a 6v discussion.
I've asked? around and no one supports a 6 volt solid state F-134 distributor replacement, I tweaked up to a 8 volt battery. Got 9.4 at good rpm runs great with extra head light reach. Still would really like to go a solid state distributor.?
On Sunday, March 2, 2025 at 11:02:35 AM MST, K. R. via <kr98664= [email protected]> wrote:
Re: 6v electronic distributor
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One minor caution for those considering ditching mechanical points in favor of electronic. I tried a conversion kit on my 6 volt CJ-2A (L134) some time ago, maybe 20 years back. It ran great but maybe 10% of the time it would not start. On those occasions it would sometime fire up when I released the starter. Push starts worked, but of course this was not always practical.
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After some serious head-scratching and precision use of foul language, I finally figured out the cause. Under the massive electric draw of the starter, battery voltage drops down around 5V. This is perfectly normal and not a fault. Unfortunately, that was also the lower limit for the electronics to function. Most times all was good and the engine fired right up, as available voltage hovered just above the magic limit. But if voltage dipped just enough, no joy.
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The starter operation seemed the same, so it wasn't like a fault dragging down the voltage. Normal operation left very little margin for the ignition to fire, that's all. Those times the engine fired after releasing the starter? That was a recovery of battery power as the crankshaft was still spinning down, but you could not count on it.
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Sorry, I do not remember which brand that was. Newer products may not have this problem.
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Hope all are doing well.
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Regards,
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Dr. Vern
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I've asked? around and no one supports a 6 volt solid state F-134 distributor replacement, I tweaked up to a 8 volt battery. Got 9.4 at good rpm runs great with extra head light reach. Still would really like to go a solid state distributor.?
Re: 6v electronic distributor
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One minor caution for those considering ditching mechanical points in favor of electronic. I tried a conversion kit on my 6 volt CJ-2A (L134) some time ago, maybe 20 years back. It ran great but maybe 10% of the time it would not start. On those occasions it would sometime fire up when I released the starter. Push starts worked, but of course this was not always practical.
?
After some serious head-scratching and precision use of foul language, I finally figured out the cause. Under the massive electric draw of the starter, battery voltage drops down around 5V. This is perfectly normal and not a fault. Unfortunately, that was also the lower limit for the electronics to function. Most times all was good and the engine fired right up, as available voltage hovered just above the magic limit. But if voltage dipped just enough, no joy.
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The starter operation seemed the same, so it wasn't like a fault dragging down the voltage. Normal operation left very little margin for the ignition to fire, that's all. Those times the engine fired after releasing the starter? That was a recovery of battery power as the crankshaft was still spinning down, but you could not count on it.
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Sorry, I do not remember which brand that was. Newer products may not have this problem.
?
Hope all are doing well.
?
Regards,
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Dr. Vern
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Re: 6v electronic distributor
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One minor caution for those considering ditching mechanical points in favor of electronic. I tried a conversion kit on my 6 volt CJ-2A (L134) some time ago, maybe 20 years back. It ran great but maybe 10% of the time it would not start. On those occasions it would sometime fire up when I released the starter. Push starts worked, but of course this was not always practical.
?
After some serious head-scratching and precision use of foul language, I finally figured out the cause. Under the massive electric draw of the starter, battery voltage drops down around 5V. This is perfectly normal and not a fault. Unfortunately, that was also the lower limit for the electronics to function. Most times all was good and the engine fired right up, as available voltage hovered just above the magic limit. But if voltage dipped just enough, no joy.
?
The starter operation seemed the same, so it wasn't like a fault dragging down the voltage. Normal operation left very little margin for the ignition to fire, that's all. Those times the engine fired after releasing the starter? That was a recovery of battery power as the crankshaft was still spinning down, but you could not count on it.
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Sorry, I do not remember which brand that was. Newer products may not have this problem.
?
Hope all are doing well.
?
Regards,
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Dr. Vern
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Dan,?
On another Willys forum I promised never to mention this ignition option again... so feel free to ignore the following on WillysTech!? If you are interested in getting away from the original design and going completely electronic, there is the distributorless design from Ford.? The advantages are extensive but I do not know if you can use a 6 volt system to power it.? Should you be interested, just Google EDIS from Autosport Labs.? I converted our Tornado engined wagon years back and have been pleased with the results.
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Cheers, Pavel up North
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Sorry I didn't mention I was looking for a solid state replacement, my dist still works. First street offers a solid state 6 volt replace meant for Ford model T's...
Here is the new distributor-I have the stock 6 volt setup, so points are still the thing.
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Brand new reproduction distributor assembly for the 4-134 engine, 6 Volt or 12 Volt. Just like the originals with points. Comes complete with new cap and all necessary items. Fits:? Willys MB (1941-1945) w/ 4-134 L-Head engine. Willys M38 (1950-1952) w/ 4-134
L-Head engine. Willys M38-A1 (1952-1963) w/ 4-134 F-Head eng
thejeepsterman.com
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And here is a rebuilding service-
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Advanced Distributors offers a comprehensive distributor rebuilding service for ALL Lucas distributors, as well as most collectors and antique vehicles (no Ford or John Deere!!!) Our rebuilding service is the most comprehensive available, despite our bargain
pricing. Besides Lucas, we also rebuild Bosch, Delco, Prestol
www.advanceddistributors.com
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I haven't talked to the rebuilder yet.
I heard the distributer works great, I call Kaiser once in a while to see if they got a 6 volt replacement. First Street has a nice setup for Ford model T's only thats's for 6 volt, so it might be coming..
think the kaiser-willys website sells a replacement distributer with electronic ignition.? not sure if they have your year available though.? i replaced my points with a petronix set-up and it's worked out well? for me.? mine is a little newer
than yours. good luck.
On Friday, February 28, 2025 at 08:22:54 PM EST, Dan Mulholland via groups.io <mulhollanddr@...> wrote:
In my case, I put off returning the steering gear and shaft, etc, to the wagon until it warms up.? Which it is doing.? I just can't get myself out to an unheated garage when it's under 50 degrees.? What a wimp.?? My friend the retired mechanic is advising that
I replace the distributor, the concern being that the plate where the points attach is excessively worn; needs bearings; the shaft is 180 degrees out, etc.? A new one will not be original, as far as I can tell, the one from the Jeepsterman does not use the
vacuum advance.? If I find a rebuilder, perhaps that's the way to go. Opinions welcome!
--
Dan
53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR
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Dan
53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR
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I bought mine from kaiser Willie's for my 54 134f and it worked great. It cost less then buying a new vacuum advance if I remember correctly.?
On Sat, Mar 1, 2025, 1:11?AM Dan Mulholland via <mulhollanddr= [email protected]> wrote:
Here is the new distributor-I have the stock 6 volt setup, so points are still the thing.
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Brand new reproduction distributor assembly for the 4-134 engine, 6 Volt or 12 Volt. Just like the originals with points. Comes complete with new cap and all necessary items. Fits:? Willys MB (1941-1945) w/ 4-134 L-Head engine. Willys M38 (1950-1952) w/ 4-134
L-Head engine. Willys M38-A1 (1952-1963) w/ 4-134 F-Head eng
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And here is a rebuilding service-
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Advanced Distributors offers a comprehensive distributor rebuilding service for ALL Lucas distributors, as well as most collectors and antique vehicles (no Ford or John Deere!!!) Our rebuilding service is the most comprehensive available, despite our bargain
pricing. Besides Lucas, we also rebuild Bosch, Delco, Prestol
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I haven't talked to the rebuilder yet.
I heard the distributer works great, I call Kaiser once in a while to see if they got a 6 volt replacement. First Street has a nice setup for Ford model T's only thats's for 6 volt, so it might be coming..
On Friday, February 28, 2025 at 06:38:12 PM MST, steve boyer via <flash7313= [email protected]> wrote:
think the kaiser-willys website sells a replacement distributer with electronic ignition.? not sure if they have your year available though.? i replaced my points with a petronix set-up and it's worked out well? for me.? mine is a little newer
than yours. good luck.
On Friday, February 28, 2025 at 08:22:54 PM EST, Dan Mulholland via <mulhollanddr= [email protected]> wrote:
In my case, I put off returning the steering gear and shaft, etc, to the wagon until it warms up.? Which it is doing.? I just can't get myself out to an unheated garage when it's under 50 degrees.? What a wimp.?? My friend the retired mechanic is advising that
I replace the distributor, the concern being that the plate where the points attach is excessively worn; needs bearings; the shaft is 180 degrees out, etc.? A new one will not be original, as far as I can tell, the one from the Jeepsterman does not use the
vacuum advance.? If I find a rebuilder, perhaps that's the way to go. Opinions welcome!
--
Dan
53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR
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Dan
53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR
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Here is the new distributor-I have the stock 6 volt setup, so points are still the thing.
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Brand new reproduction distributor assembly for the 4-134 engine, 6 Volt or 12 Volt. Just like the originals with points. Comes complete with new cap and all necessary items. Fits:? Willys MB (1941-1945) w/ 4-134 L-Head engine. Willys M38 (1950-1952) w/ 4-134
L-Head engine. Willys M38-A1 (1952-1963) w/ 4-134 F-Head eng
thejeepsterman.com
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And here is a rebuilding service-
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Advanced Distributors offers a comprehensive distributor rebuilding service for ALL Lucas distributors, as well as most collectors and antique vehicles (no Ford or John Deere!!!) Our rebuilding service is the most comprehensive available, despite our bargain
pricing. Besides Lucas, we also rebuild Bosch, Delco, Prestol
www.advanceddistributors.com
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I haven't talked to the rebuilder yet.
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I heard the distributer works great, I call Kaiser once in a while to see if they got a 6 volt replacement. First Street has a nice setup for Ford model T's only thats's for 6 volt, so it might be coming..
think the kaiser-willys website sells a replacement distributer with electronic ignition.? not sure if they have your year available though.? i replaced my points with a petronix set-up and it's worked out well? for me.? mine is a little newer
than yours. good luck.
On Friday, February 28, 2025 at 08:22:54 PM EST, Dan Mulholland via groups.io <mulhollanddr@...> wrote:
In my case, I put off returning the steering gear and shaft, etc, to the wagon until it warms up.? Which it is doing.? I just can't get myself out to an unheated garage when it's under 50 degrees.? What a wimp.?? My friend the retired mechanic is advising that
I replace the distributor, the concern being that the plate where the points attach is excessively worn; needs bearings; the shaft is 180 degrees out, etc.? A new one will not be original, as far as I can tell, the one from the Jeepsterman does not use the
vacuum advance.? If I find a rebuilder, perhaps that's the way to go. Opinions welcome!
--
Dan
53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR
-- Dan 53 2wd Wagon Eugene, OR
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I heard the distributer works great, I call Kaiser once in a while to see if they got a 6 volt replacement. First Street has a nice setup for Ford model T's only thats's for 6 volt, so it might be coming..
think the kaiser-willys website sells a replacement distributer with electronic ignition.? not sure if they have your year available though.? i replaced my points with a petronix set-up and it's worked out well? for me.? mine is a little newer than yours. good luck.
On Friday, February 28, 2025 at 08:22:54 PM EST, Dan Mulholland via groups.io <mulhollanddr@...> wrote:
In my case, I put off returning the steering gear and shaft, etc, to the wagon until it warms up.? Which it is doing.? I just can't get myself out to an unheated garage when it's under 50 degrees.? What a wimp.?? My friend the retired mechanic is advising that
I replace the distributor, the concern being that the plate where the points attach is excessively worn; needs bearings; the shaft is 180 degrees out, etc.? A new one will not be original, as far as I can tell, the one from the Jeepsterman does not use the
vacuum advance.? If I find a rebuilder, perhaps that's the way to go. Opinions welcome!
-- Dan 53 2wd Wagon Eugene, OR
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think the kaiser-willys website sells a replacement distributer with electronic ignition.? not sure if they have your year available though.? i replaced my points with a petronix set-up and it's worked out well? for me.? mine is a little newer than yours. good luck.
On Friday, February 28, 2025 at 08:22:54 PM EST, Dan Mulholland via groups.io <mulhollanddr@...> wrote:
In my case, I put off returning the steering gear and shaft, etc, to the wagon until it warms up.? Which it is doing.? I just can't get myself out to an unheated garage when it's under 50 degrees.? What a wimp.?? My friend the retired mechanic is advising that
I replace the distributor, the concern being that the plate where the points attach is excessively worn; needs bearings; the shaft is 180 degrees out, etc.? A new one will not be original, as far as I can tell, the one from the Jeepsterman does not use the
vacuum advance.? If I find a rebuilder, perhaps that's the way to go. Opinions welcome!
-- Dan 53 2wd Wagon Eugene, OR
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In my case, I put off returning the steering gear and shaft, etc, to the wagon until it warms up.? Which it is doing.? I just can't get myself out to an unheated garage when it's under 50 degrees.? What a wimp.?? My friend the retired mechanic is advising that
I replace the distributor, the concern being that the plate where the points attach is excessively worn; needs bearings; the shaft is 180 degrees out, etc.? A new one will not be original, as far as I can tell, the one from the Jeepsterman does not use the
vacuum advance.? If I find a rebuilder, perhaps that's the way to go. Opinions welcome!
-- Dan 53 2wd Wagon Eugene, OR
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Re: Red-Head steering box work
I don't know, give them a call.? They actually have people.
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Manual & Power Steering Gear Box. Servicing Ford, Jeep, Chrysler, GM, Dodge We have shipped rebuilt steering gears to customers in all 50 states and in 28 foreign countries.
www.redheadsteeringgears.com
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Jay, how is your engine??
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Can they do the reverse steering box on the 62.5 to 64 230 models.?
On Fri, Dec 6, 2024, 1:42?PM Dan Mulholland via
<mulhollanddr= [email protected]> wrote:
Received the steering box back from Red-Head.? Too cold for me to want to re install right away.? They send them back with "no play", and adjusting the sector shaft screw voids their warranty.? Also, they send the unit filled with 00 grease/lubricant.?? Or
double ought as they called it. I worked hard to get all the lubricant out before mailing to avoid leaking all over the place.? Better seals now.? The tech called me during the process, he does all or most of the Willys ones that come in.? 6 employees when
he started there 12 years ago,? 70 now.? Lots of steering gears, Internet makes their business possible.
--
Dan
53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR
-- Dan 53 2wd Wagon Eugene, OR
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Re: Red-Head steering box work
Can they do the reverse steering box on the 62.5 to 64 230 models.?
On Fri, Dec 6, 2024, 1:42?PM Dan Mulholland via <mulhollanddr= [email protected]> wrote:
Received the steering box back from Red-Head.? Too cold for me to want to re install right away.? They send them back with "no play", and adjusting the sector shaft screw voids their warranty.? Also, they send the unit filled with 00 grease/lubricant.?? Or
double ought as they called it. I worked hard to get all the lubricant out before mailing to avoid leaking all over the place.? Better seals now.? The tech called me during the process, he does all or most of the Willys ones that come in.? 6 employees when
he started there 12 years ago,? 70 now.? Lots of steering gears, Internet makes their business possible.
--
Dan
53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR
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Red-Head steering box work
Received the steering box back from Red-Head.? Too cold for me to want to re install right away.? They send them back with "no play", and adjusting the sector shaft screw voids their warranty.? Also, they send the unit filled with 00 grease/lubricant.?? Or
double ought as they called it. I worked hard to get all the lubricant out before mailing to avoid leaking all over the place.? Better seals now.? The tech called me during the process, he does all or most of the Willys ones that come in.? 6 employees when
he started there 12 years ago,? 70 now.? Lots of steering gears, Internet makes their business possible.
-- Dan 53 2wd Wagon Eugene, OR
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Re: Stalled Project in MN Metro
Best of luck bill_e_beee.? These days, $1500 isn't much compared to the prices of new vehicles... after all, you only need one truly interested customer!
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Re: Stalled Project in MN Metro
Thank you Pavel.? I?concur that interest is waning.? On the flip side, the attendees of our three day, MSRA?Back to the 50's is?over 125,000 spectators (with lots and lots of gray hair)?and 11,800, 1964 and older, no Mustangs, cars registered (not all attending).? ? I too, am 70 .? I'll float it in the MSRA Line Chaser at $1500?? Sad.
On Tuesday, November 19, 2024 at 12:12:17 PM CST, willyswagon230 via groups.io <pavelb@...> wrote:
It's not realistic to give you a number without more information.? How rusty is she (floor boards, rear wheel wells, lower tailgate, door bottoms); is the chassis still straight and strong? Condition of paint, chrome, glass, gauges, upholstery, etc. etc.?? Is the vehicle? relatively "complete"?
What is the situation in your MetroMN area?? In my city there are almost no old-car-interested people left, and those that are still interested are in their 70s and 80s, mostly beyond it.
PuN
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Re: Stalled Project in MN Metro
It's not realistic to give you a number without more information.? How rusty is she (floor boards, rear wheel wells, lower tailgate, door bottoms); is the chassis still straight and strong? Condition of paint, chrome, glass, gauges, upholstery, etc. etc.?? Is the vehicle? relatively "complete"?
What is the situation in your MetroMN area?? In my city there are almost no old-car-interested people left, and those that are still interested are in their 70s and 80s, mostly beyond it.
PuN
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Stalled Project in MN Metro
I have a '54 4WD SW with no brakes, leaky gas tank...? I have the cloth wiring kit, good tires, six cylinder, some of the brake parts and the title.? How much is this worth?? I have an '80 CJ that I would like to devote my time towards.
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Mike, thanks for the offer, have a spare now, I'm hoping the "compatible" one will be the last one needed for a long time.? An old one is likely to have the same problem with the silicone fluid.? I went with the silicone after replacing the corroded and rusty
brake lines and master & brake cylinders.? The switch has failed a couple of times over 30 years, though the vehicle hasn't gone far in that time.? Probably the regular brake fluid would have been fine if I drained and replaced it periodically. ?
-- Dan 53 2wd Wagon Eugene, OR
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I have an original brake light switch out of my 48 willys pickup truck. Let me know if you want it?
On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 11:10 PM, Dan Mulholland via groups.io <mulhollanddr@...> wrote:
John,
I found this copy of the Standard one, from the you know who country, that says it is compatible with silicone fluid, so I ordered one.? It's easier to get to with the steering column out, as it is right now.? The rest of the braking system is fine with? silicone.??
I resent the "ancient technology" remark, after all, I'm the same age as the wagon...
As long as the size of the nipple on the switch fits you can use any one
you can find. Heck, you could even use a pipe thread adapter in a pinch,
if there's enough room. Go to one of our local auto parts store with the
old switch in hand and see what they've got that'll work with silicone
brake fluid. It's nice to be able to read what's on the box before
buying. Too bad Knecht's closed! <sigh> Of the remaining stores I've
found that the counter people at NAPA seem to know what they're doing:
Is the silicone brake fluid compatible with the other ancient technology
in you brakes?
On 11/11/2024 3:50 PM, Dan M wrote:
> The not very old switch died, ordered a replacement, got a Standard
> products SLS 25 switch, put it in before noticing it said "not approved
> for use with silicone brake fluids".? Which I use.? Apparently, there is
> or are compatible switches out there, anyone else worked through this?
>
--
John <jkohnen@...>
The slower the speed, the more interesting the shape; that's a
truism in boat design. Low speed requires a degree of symmetry
that must be discarded the moment hull speed is approached or
exceeded and that's always seemed to me an aesthetic loss that
is difficult to recover... (Paul Gartside)
--
Dan
53 2wd Wagon
Eugene, OR
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John,
I found this copy of the Standard one, from the you know who country, that says it is compatible with silicone fluid, so I ordered one.? It's easier to get to with the steering column out, as it is right now.? The rest of the braking system is fine with? silicone.??
I resent the "ancient technology" remark, after all, I'm the same age as the wagon...
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As long as the size of the nipple on the switch fits you can use any one
you can find. Heck, you could even use a pipe thread adapter in a pinch,
if there's enough room. Go to one of our local auto parts store with the
old switch in hand and see what they've got that'll work with silicone
brake fluid. It's nice to be able to read what's on the box before
buying. Too bad Knecht's closed! <sigh> Of the remaining stores I've
found that the counter people at NAPA seem to know what they're doing:
Is the silicone brake fluid compatible with the other ancient technology
in you brakes?
On 11/11/2024 3:50 PM, Dan M wrote:
> The not very old switch died, ordered a replacement, got a Standard
> products SLS 25 switch, put it in before noticing it said "not approved
> for use with silicone brake fluids".? Which I use.? Apparently, there is
> or are compatible switches out there, anyone else worked through this?
>
--
John <jkohnen@...>
The slower the speed, the more interesting the shape; that's a
truism in boat design. Low speed requires a degree of symmetry
that must be discarded the moment hull speed is approached or
exceeded and that's always seemed to me an aesthetic loss that
is difficult to recover... (Paul Gartside)
-- Dan 53 2wd Wagon Eugene, OR
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jay bernhardt