Re: How long until EV conversions become commonplace?
I believe we are on a slow path to ‘universal batteries’. Once they realize that if they supply a decent battery, people will buy it. The same thing goes with a ‘low cost’ and ‘top of the line’ series battery as there will always be a market
for the 3 levels. Ryobi makes a line of ‘One+’ ? cordless tools. I liked the idea when it first came out, and now own quite a variety of them. I don’t think we will see universal batteries until a standard voltage is set, and then I assume it will be for everything
from garden tractors, snow shovels/blowers, leaf blowers, roomba’s for lawns & yards, back up for houses and RV’s etc. etc.
I am all for going electric, BUT, our current technology for acquiring the necessary materials for batteries is not that environmentally friendly.
?
?
In the space race of the ‘60’s
USA spent millions to design a pen that would work in zero gravity.
Russia.....? ?used a pencil.
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From: willyswagon230
Sent: November 4, 2020 11:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] How long until EV conversions become commonplace?
?
That sounds like a very efficient set-up.?? What kind of machine is that??? I was interested in an electric garden tractor but the price was too high.
What probably would attract some people would be 50 lb battery packs that you could plug into various electric units (out board motor, small tractors/vehicles, even house emergency systems).? That way, a few battery packs could serve multiple purposes and not
be tied to one machine or purpose.? I suppose Mallory and EverReady have already explored the idea ... all you need is agreement on a universal design, like AA or 9 volt existing batteries.? On the other hand, agreement on anything these days seems unlikely...
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Re: How long until EV conversions become commonplace?
That sounds like a very efficient set-up.?? What kind of machine is that??? I was interested in an electric garden tractor but the price was too high.
What probably would attract some people would be 50 lb battery packs that you could plug into various electric units (out board motor, small tractors/vehicles, even house emergency systems).? That way, a few battery packs could serve multiple purposes and not be tied to one machine or purpose.? I suppose Mallory and EverReady have already explored the idea ... all you need is agreement on a universal design, like AA or 9 volt existing batteries.? On the other hand, agreement on anything these days seems unlikely...
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Re: Willys dash "improvement" aka too much time...
?
SF
On 10/31/2020 9:18 PM, willyswagon230
wrote:
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Went for a "Willys toodle", Lady on board, around town (single day
insurance only).? Tried the dash cover at 30 and 50 mph.? In both
cases the reading did not change as the cover, with corner
magnets, was put in place and removed several times.? I guess I
lucked out on this one.
We stopped at a coffee shop, parked with a Tesla 3 in front and a
big Audi SUV behind... an old guy and two young bucks stopped to
chat about our beautiful Willys - they completely ignored the
expensive automotive bracketing!? Perhaps these old vehicles
actually do possess charm!
PUN
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Re: Willys dash "improvement" aka too much time...
Went for a "Willys toodle", Lady on board, around town (single day insurance only).? Tried the dash cover at 30 and 50 mph.? In both cases the reading did not change as the cover, with corner magnets, was put in place and removed several times.? I guess I lucked out on this one.
We stopped at a coffee shop, parked with a Tesla 3 in front and a big Audi SUV behind... an old guy and two young bucks stopped to chat about our beautiful Willys - they completely ignored the expensive automotive bracketing!? Perhaps these old vehicles actually do possess charm!
PUN
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Re: How long until EV conversions become commonplace?
????????????? I have
a GE Elec-Trak? with a four speed transaxle. It has a foot
throttle that can cycle the traction motor through eight
separate speeds in each gear range. Keeping the traction motor
at the Full field / Full armature voltage setting provides
maximum efficiency.
????????????? Apollo
era technology but it works.:)
RJ
On 10/30/2020 2:30 PM, willyswagon230
wrote:
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Here's the Ars
Technica article. It mentions that the system has an automatic
transmission - why?? Electric vehicles have no need of a
transmission at all.? On the other hand, keeping the trusty
Willys T90 and clutch would give a retro feel and sound to the
upgrade.? You could rev the electric motor at stop lights and
still enjoy being young...who knows how many people would laugh
until the light changes.? PUN
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Re: How long until EV conversions become commonplace?
Here's the Ars Technica article. It mentions that the system has an automatic transmission - why?? Electric vehicles have no need of a transmission at all.? On the other hand, keeping the trusty Willys T90 and clutch would give a retro feel and sound to the upgrade.? You could rev the electric motor at stop lights and still enjoy being young...who knows how many people would laugh until the light changes.? PUN
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/10/chevrolet-readies-an-electric-crate-motor-for-homebuilt-ev-hotrods/
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Re: How long until EV conversions become commonplace?
There is an article in Hemings about the ev crate motor and a gm K5 blazer.
Regards
Ross Cook
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How long until EV conversions become commonplace?
As I've said before, electric conversions for various Willys models should make sense if systems are available as a "package" (with or without battery).? It seems to me that this is inevitable if enthusiasts have the up-front money to do the job. Nissan Leaf drivetrains and batteries are being adapted to the Morris Minor in the UK, EV West in California has come a long way with VW Beetle and Bus conversions in recent years.? And now GM apparently has seen 'the writing on the wall'... Chevy Bolt drivetrain and battery complete systems should be available within a year. When you consider that to rebuild a stock engine and transmission is becoming far more expensive than just a few years ago, when the time comes, I'd be interested in electrifying our Land Rover Discovery or Willys wagon.? Even our Suzuki Sidekick 4 door might be a candidate but it's probably not heavily built enough for the extra weight.? It all depends on cost of course.
Pavel up North
(source, Ars Techica)
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Re: Just seeing if anyone recognizes this Jeep.
Derek wasn't aware that WillysTech still existed until I sent a link to groups.io to the Classic Willys Mailing List. CWML is disappearing 15 December and I sent the link thinking they might want to try to save the list's information. Derek responded that he was going to put a link to WillysTech on the CJ3b page so you can probably contact through his page.
Don Wood 46CJ2A
Sent?via?BlackBerry?10 From: Eric Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:32 Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Just seeing if anyone recognizes this Jeep. | I was hoping Derek would notice his Jeep as it appeared in 1997!? My wife and I visited him when we were in upstate New York.? We were staying in Clayton, NY and the trip to Kingston, ON, was a quick set of ferry rides.? I had a CJ3B owners manual and a warranty registration card to give him in person.
Eric
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Re: Just seeing if anyone recognizes this Jeep.
I was hoping Derek would notice his Jeep as it appeared in 1997!? My wife and I visited him when we were in upstate New York.? We were staying in Clayton, NY and the trip to Kingston, ON, was a quick set of ferry rides.? I had a CJ3B owners manual and a warranty registration card to give him in person.
Eric
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Re: Just seeing if anyone recognizes this Jeep.
Eric,
Certainly recognize the model, but as for the specific Jeep... it’s the wrong color & has all 4 wheels so it can’t be mine ?
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Great memories
SF
On 10/17/2020 10:02 PM, Eric wrote:
I've been scanning lots of Kodachrome, Ektachrome slides as well
as film negatives dating from the early 1900s through probably
2005 or so.?
This one, of a Jeep, is from August 1997 when my wife and I
traveled to upstate NY to tell her family they were going to be
uncles, aunts, grandparents, cousins to a baby girl due to be born
that coming January.
Let's see if anyone recognizes the Jeep! :-)
Eric
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Re: Just seeing if anyone recognizes this Jeep.
Great memories
SF
On 10/17/2020 10:02 PM, Eric wrote:
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I've been scanning lots of Kodachrome, Ektachrome slides as well
as film negatives dating from the early 1900s through probably
2005 or so.?
This one, of a Jeep, is from August 1997 when my wife and I
traveled to upstate NY to tell her family they were going to be
uncles, aunts, grandparents, cousins to a baby girl due to be born
that coming January.
Let's see if anyone recognizes the Jeep! :-)
Eric
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Just seeing if anyone recognizes this Jeep.
I've been scanning lots of Kodachrome, Ektachrome slides as well as film negatives dating from the early 1900s through probably 2005 or so.?
This one, of a Jeep, is from August 1997 when my wife and I traveled to upstate NY to tell her family they were going to be uncles, aunts, grandparents, cousins to a baby girl due to be born that coming January.
Let's see if anyone recognizes the Jeep! :-)
Eric
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Re: Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in LA
It's not wise to ask an old bugger to show his automotive folly ... In the case of the axles under our wagon, because it has the Tornado engine (with lots of torque) and a 4 speed transmission with lower 1st gear, ?I'd "love" to change the diff ratios to 3.54 but won't spend the money...I've heard that certain Isuzu models came with that ratio in a Dana 44 rear axle complete with disc brakes. ?Now that would be a find!
You asked for it! ?Here's the Willys part of my disease:
PUN.
On 2020-10-16, at 10:39 AM, AWORKOFMARC wrote:
Show us pictures of your Truck Pavel!
?
?
?
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
You
may have explained your situation and I missed it.... but, if you already have
sensible transportation (20 year old Honda Civic?) and view the Willys as
entertainment, then give yourself time.? I've been working in our wagon for
24 years (actually used it regularly for 7).? The vehicle is improving year
by year? I'm at the $15k mark now (about $11k USD).? If I were to sell
now, I'd have a hard time getting half my money back - this isn't a good time to
sell - many people are desperate for cash and buyers know that.
?
If you will permit some advice from an old guy, slow down, find someone who
can house the vehicle or at least allow you to put a tarp tent over it; find
some older guys who can help you/ supply tools*** and slowly convert you into a
back yard mechanic provided you have the time and energy.? Simply paying
for all work will likely lead to frustration - no one will do as good a job
these days as you can.
?
Be very careful about the word "love".
?
Cheers, Pavel up North
?
***warning... borrowing tools can get you into trouble - it's better to get
the tool owner to operate the tool.
?
On 2020-10-16, at 8:42 AM, AWORKOFMARC wrote:
“How
much do you use the vehicle?”? a better question is –How much do I LOVE
this vehicle? I don’t know what this wagon did to my brain... Voodoo I
suspect... But, lock, stock and barrel... it got me.
?
I love this thing like it was my kid. As much as it royally pisses me off
sometimes like any rebellious teenager.? And nearly costs as much as
one.
?
But I want it done right... so I have a daily driver if I want.?
Probably no off-road –yet .? And I only travel a couple miles to/from
work.? However.. I do want it able to take camp trips maybe over semi
rugged roads. And in the case of the Zombie Apocalypse or the complete
unraveling of America... a home to live in as I bug out of the city.
?
<wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>
?
?
?
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
How
much do you use the vehicle?? That would determine how the rebuild should
go.? Sometimes all you need is the carrier and pinion brgs.? If the
cups to these bearings look? reasonably shiny, then bearings are
OK.? If they are badly pitted, replace.? If slightly burnished, I
use them.? Same for ring and pinion.? Some pits are OK.? some
rust ok.
?
I have not been following you so if you want to lay out the issues, there
are some pretty brainy back yard mechanics here.? Or in my case, you
can call and I can listen.? I don't have my Willys any longer but
apparently still have some parts. 4352752118
SF
On 10/15/2020 10:07 PM, AWORKOFMARC
wrote:
?
?
No actually I am not sure parts are bad.? So I just asked
Kaisers to cancel my order. !!!
?
I’m going about this all wrong. Kaisers is all to happy to sell me
stuff –no fault of theirs –they’re in BUSINESS – but I am a complete
stupid ass trying to throw money at something to fix the damn thing when
it’s not even apart yet to SEE what’s wrong.
?
And I don’t know squat about this deep level mechanic stuff so I have
to take it to mechanics... AND being they need turn over it’s not like the
thing can sit there for weeks while it’s in parts waiting for the right
stuff to get ordered and arrive.
?
Sorry to be complaining here.. but maybe it’s time to sell. I am at
my wits end over this. I get conflicting answers and most people (save you
and few others on here) don’t know what they’re talking about
?
I NEEEEEEEEED answers and guidance can I pay you to help walk me
through this and get the right thing done.
?
?
?
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
Those
would be axle gears? Spyders are the ones that have no splines.
Are you sure your old parts are bad?
?
?
Welcome to my nightmare.
?
The guy at Kaiser’s Willy sold me spider gears for 10 spline
today... (along with $800. more worth of differential parts)
?
that I now understand from your message would be for the front not
the back...? I’m a gonna bang my head against the wall for awhile
now. See if that helps.
?
I know next to nothing about this stuff –I have a good mechanic but
he does not rebuild differentials... that’s being done by someone
else... so the plan was to get all the parts and then have it
done.? Cause the Willys just can’t sit there taking up his space.
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
Well
Marc,
Scout ll axles are not 10 spline, they are 30.? You could put
the entire Scout ll rear end in by removing and rewelding the spring
perches with the correct drive shaft angle, 5 degrees UP.? But
those are usually 354:1 ratio.
I have to look, but I may have wagon axle shafts that are 19
spline.? I think a? 57 Dana 44 wagon would be 19 spline.?
You can check the axle gears in the differential to see.? The 41
axles were much earlier weren’t they?? Those could possibly be 10
spline from the 40’s.? The front Dana 25 is 10 spline.?
I have a Scout ll complete rear axle, but shipping it is
crazy.
Pruit
?
?
?
Might have his the wall this time... After literally shoveling
money this year into the mechanics and engine of my Willys Wagon.. New
rebuilt engine, disc brake conversion... 10K and counting...? the
most recent –$1,000. for just the parts for the complete rear
differentials rebuild...
?
I’ve hit the wall now trying to find the respective axle shafts
Dana 41/44, 10 spline for a Willys Wagon 57.
?
I was told a a smart guy at the salvage yard that?the
1974-1980 International Scout II 10 spline, Dana 41/44 axle shafts
were far superior –needing just a small weld to adjust the spring
perches but those are proving every bit as hard to find.?
?
I’m doomed if I don’t find these..
DOOMED.
Someone please help save a Willys’ life!!!
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
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Re: Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in LA
Show us pictures of your Truck Pavel!
?
?
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Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
You
may have explained your situation and I missed it.... but, if you already have
sensible transportation (20 year old Honda Civic?) and view the Willys as
entertainment, then give yourself time.? I've been working in our wagon for
24 years (actually used it regularly for 7).? The vehicle is improving year
by year? I'm at the $15k mark now (about $11k USD).? If I were to sell
now, I'd have a hard time getting half my money back - this isn't a good time to
sell - many people are desperate for cash and buyers know that.
?
If you will permit some advice from an old guy, slow down, find someone who
can house the vehicle or at least allow you to put a tarp tent over it; find
some older guys who can help you/ supply tools*** and slowly convert you into a
back yard mechanic provided you have the time and energy.? Simply paying
for all work will likely lead to frustration - no one will do as good a job
these days as you can.
?
Be very careful about the word "love".
?
Cheers, Pavel up North
?
***warning... borrowing tools can get you into trouble - it's better to get
the tool owner to operate the tool.
?
On 2020-10-16, at 8:42 AM, AWORKOFMARC wrote:
“How
much do you use the vehicle?”? a better question is –How much do I LOVE
this vehicle? I don’t know what this wagon did to my brain... Voodoo I
suspect... But, lock, stock and barrel... it got me.
?
I love this thing like it was my kid. As much as it royally pisses me off
sometimes like any rebellious teenager.? And nearly costs as much as
one.
?
But I want it done right... so I have a daily driver if I want.?
Probably no off-road –yet .? And I only travel a couple miles to/from
work.? However.. I do want it able to take camp trips maybe over semi
rugged roads. And in the case of the Zombie Apocalypse or the complete
unraveling of America... a home to live in as I bug out of the city.
?
<wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>
?
?
?
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
How
much do you use the vehicle?? That would determine how the rebuild should
go.? Sometimes all you need is the carrier and pinion brgs.? If the
cups to these bearings look? reasonably shiny, then bearings are
OK.? If they are badly pitted, replace.? If slightly burnished, I
use them.? Same for ring and pinion.? Some pits are OK.? some
rust ok.
?
I have not been following you so if you want to lay out the issues, there
are some pretty brainy back yard mechanics here.? Or in my case, you
can call and I can listen.? I don't have my Willys any longer but
apparently still have some parts. 4352752118
SF
On 10/15/2020 10:07 PM, AWORKOFMARC
wrote:
?
?
No actually I am not sure parts are bad.? So I just asked
Kaisers to cancel my order. !!!
?
I’m going about this all wrong. Kaisers is all to happy to sell me
stuff –no fault of theirs –they’re in BUSINESS – but I am a complete
stupid ass trying to throw money at something to fix the damn thing when
it’s not even apart yet to SEE what’s wrong.
?
And I don’t know squat about this deep level mechanic stuff so I have
to take it to mechanics... AND being they need turn over it’s not like the
thing can sit there for weeks while it’s in parts waiting for the right
stuff to get ordered and arrive.
?
Sorry to be complaining here.. but maybe it’s time to sell. I am at
my wits end over this. I get conflicting answers and most people (save you
and few others on here) don’t know what they’re talking about
?
I NEEEEEEEEED answers and guidance can I pay you to help walk me
through this and get the right thing done.
?
?
?
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
Those
would be axle gears? Spyders are the ones that have no splines.
Are you sure your old parts are bad?
?
?
Welcome to my nightmare.
?
The guy at Kaiser’s Willy sold me spider gears for 10 spline
today... (along with $800. more worth of differential parts)
?
that I now understand from your message would be for the front not
the back...? I’m a gonna bang my head against the wall for awhile
now. See if that helps.
?
I know next to nothing about this stuff –I have a good mechanic but
he does not rebuild differentials... that’s being done by someone
else... so the plan was to get all the parts and then have it
done.? Cause the Willys just can’t sit there taking up his space.
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
Well
Marc,
Scout ll axles are not 10 spline, they are 30.? You could put
the entire Scout ll rear end in by removing and rewelding the spring
perches with the correct drive shaft angle, 5 degrees UP.? But
those are usually 354:1 ratio.
I have to look, but I may have wagon axle shafts that are 19
spline.? I think a? 57 Dana 44 wagon would be 19 spline.?
You can check the axle gears in the differential to see.? The 41
axles were much earlier weren’t they?? Those could possibly be 10
spline from the 40’s.? The front Dana 25 is 10 spline.?
I have a Scout ll complete rear axle, but shipping it is
crazy.
Pruit
?
?
?
Might have his the wall this time... After literally shoveling
money this year into the mechanics and engine of my Willys Wagon.. New
rebuilt engine, disc brake conversion... 10K and counting...? the
most recent –$1,000. for just the parts for the complete rear
differentials rebuild...
?
I’ve hit the wall now trying to find the respective axle shafts
Dana 41/44, 10 spline for a Willys Wagon 57.
?
I was told a a smart guy at the salvage yard that?the
1974-1980 International Scout II 10 spline, Dana 41/44 axle shafts
were far superior –needing just a small weld to adjust the spring
perches but those are proving every bit as hard to find.?
?
I’m doomed if I don’t find these..
DOOMED.
Someone please help save a Willys’ life!!!
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
|
Re: Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in LA
Yes. But. I want it ALL. NOW.
?
Ok.. point taken. I’ll relax trying to force this to happen in my time
frame.? That’s been the proven ‘right path’ many times in my life.. but do
I listen?? Um, usually not till beaten on the head with a 2 x 4
?
Yes I have sensible daily transportation. A Ford Ranger 93 Splash. But I
only half “love” that.. haha
?
Thanks Pavel.
?
?
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Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
You
may have explained your situation and I missed it.... but, if you already have
sensible transportation (20 year old Honda Civic?) and view the Willys as
entertainment, then give yourself time.? I've been working in our wagon for
24 years (actually used it regularly for 7).? The vehicle is improving year
by year? I'm at the $15k mark now (about $11k USD).? If I were to sell
now, I'd have a hard time getting half my money back - this isn't a good time to
sell - many people are desperate for cash and buyers know that.
?
If you will permit some advice from an old guy, slow down, find someone who
can house the vehicle or at least allow you to put a tarp tent over it; find
some older guys who can help you/ supply tools*** and slowly convert you into a
back yard mechanic provided you have the time and energy.? Simply paying
for all work will likely lead to frustration - no one will do as good a job
these days as you can.
?
Be very careful about the word "love".
?
Cheers, Pavel up North
?
***warning... borrowing tools can get you into trouble - it's better to get
the tool owner to operate the tool.
?
On 2020-10-16, at 8:42 AM, AWORKOFMARC wrote:
“How
much do you use the vehicle?”? a better question is –How much do I LOVE
this vehicle? I don’t know what this wagon did to my brain... Voodoo I
suspect... But, lock, stock and barrel... it got me.
?
I love this thing like it was my kid. As much as it royally pisses me off
sometimes like any rebellious teenager.? And nearly costs as much as
one.
?
But I want it done right... so I have a daily driver if I want.?
Probably no off-road –yet .? And I only travel a couple miles to/from
work.? However.. I do want it able to take camp trips maybe over semi
rugged roads. And in the case of the Zombie Apocalypse or the complete
unraveling of America... a home to live in as I bug out of the city.
?
<wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>
?
?
?
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
How
much do you use the vehicle?? That would determine how the rebuild should
go.? Sometimes all you need is the carrier and pinion brgs.? If the
cups to these bearings look? reasonably shiny, then bearings are
OK.? If they are badly pitted, replace.? If slightly burnished, I
use them.? Same for ring and pinion.? Some pits are OK.? some
rust ok.
?
I have not been following you so if you want to lay out the issues, there
are some pretty brainy back yard mechanics here.? Or in my case, you
can call and I can listen.? I don't have my Willys any longer but
apparently still have some parts. 4352752118
SF
On 10/15/2020 10:07 PM, AWORKOFMARC
wrote:
?
?
No actually I am not sure parts are bad.? So I just asked
Kaisers to cancel my order. !!!
?
I’m going about this all wrong. Kaisers is all to happy to sell me
stuff –no fault of theirs –they’re in BUSINESS – but I am a complete
stupid ass trying to throw money at something to fix the damn thing when
it’s not even apart yet to SEE what’s wrong.
?
And I don’t know squat about this deep level mechanic stuff so I have
to take it to mechanics... AND being they need turn over it’s not like the
thing can sit there for weeks while it’s in parts waiting for the right
stuff to get ordered and arrive.
?
Sorry to be complaining here.. but maybe it’s time to sell. I am at
my wits end over this. I get conflicting answers and most people (save you
and few others on here) don’t know what they’re talking about
?
I NEEEEEEEEED answers and guidance can I pay you to help walk me
through this and get the right thing done.
?
?
?
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
Those
would be axle gears? Spyders are the ones that have no splines.
Are you sure your old parts are bad?
?
?
Welcome to my nightmare.
?
The guy at Kaiser’s Willy sold me spider gears for 10 spline
today... (along with $800. more worth of differential parts)
?
that I now understand from your message would be for the front not
the back...? I’m a gonna bang my head against the wall for awhile
now. See if that helps.
?
I know next to nothing about this stuff –I have a good mechanic but
he does not rebuild differentials... that’s being done by someone
else... so the plan was to get all the parts and then have it
done.? Cause the Willys just can’t sit there taking up his space.
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
Well
Marc,
Scout ll axles are not 10 spline, they are 30.? You could put
the entire Scout ll rear end in by removing and rewelding the spring
perches with the correct drive shaft angle, 5 degrees UP.? But
those are usually 354:1 ratio.
I have to look, but I may have wagon axle shafts that are 19
spline.? I think a? 57 Dana 44 wagon would be 19 spline.?
You can check the axle gears in the differential to see.? The 41
axles were much earlier weren’t they?? Those could possibly be 10
spline from the 40’s.? The front Dana 25 is 10 spline.?
I have a Scout ll complete rear axle, but shipping it is
crazy.
Pruit
?
?
?
Might have his the wall this time... After literally shoveling
money this year into the mechanics and engine of my Willys Wagon.. New
rebuilt engine, disc brake conversion... 10K and counting...? the
most recent –$1,000. for just the parts for the complete rear
differentials rebuild...
?
I’ve hit the wall now trying to find the respective axle shafts
Dana 41/44, 10 spline for a Willys Wagon 57.
?
I was told a a smart guy at the salvage yard that?the
1974-1980 International Scout II 10 spline, Dana 41/44 axle shafts
were far superior –needing just a small weld to adjust the spring
perches but those are proving every bit as hard to find.?
?
I’m doomed if I don’t find these..
DOOMED.
Someone please help save a Willys’ life!!!
?
?
?
?
?
?
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Re: Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in LA
If you can get a properly rebuilt axle , that will save a lot of fuss (and money?) ?Of course, you have to make sure the replacement is the same as your old one. ?Start by checking the differential ratios, back and front. ?Do not trust the tags (if they still exist and are legible). ?Jack up the vehicle carefully and put on stands or heavy wooden supports. ?Starting at the back axle, stop one wheel from turning. ?Count the number of times the drive shaft turns compared to one rotation of the free wheel***. ?This will give you an idea of the ratio of the Crown wheel/Ring gear and the pinion.. ?It should be a multiple of 4.88 or 5.34, but could be 4.27 or even 4.09. ? What engine do you have in your wagon? ?If the engine is more powerful than stock, this might be a good time to change both axles to a lower ratio. ?There is a distinct danger of "Project Creep" here.
Best of luck to your pocket book!
PUN.
*** this is a great test of any Lady Friend... if she will tolerate this job, she actually likes you.
On 2020-10-16, at 9:18 AM, willyswagon230 wrote: You may have explained your situation and I missed it.... but, if you already have sensible transportation (20 year old Honda Civic?) and view the Willys as entertainment, then give yourself time. ?I've been working in our wagon for 24 years (actually used it regularly for 7). ?The vehicle is improving year by year. ?I'm at the $15k mark now (about $11k USD). ?If I were to sell now, I'd have a hard time getting half my money back - this isn't a good time to sell - many people are desperate for cash and buyers know that.
If you will permit some advice from an old guy, slow down, find someone who can house the vehicle or at least allow you to put a tarp tent over it; find some older guys who can help you/ supply tools*** and slowly convert you into a back yard mechanic provided you have the time and energy. ?Simply paying for all work will likely lead to frustration - no one will do as good a job these days as you can.
Be very careful about the word "love".
Cheers, Pavel up North
***warning... borrowing tools can get you into trouble - it's better to get the tool owner to operate the tool. On 2020-10-16, at 8:42 AM, AWORKOFMARC wrote:
“How
much do you use the vehicle?”? a better question is –How much do I LOVE
this vehicle? I don’t know what this wagon did to my brain... Voodoo I
suspect... But, lock, stock and barrel... it got me.
?
I love this thing like it was my kid. As much as it royally pisses me off
sometimes like any rebellious teenager.? And nearly costs as much as
one.
?
But I want it done right... so I have a daily driver if I want.?
Probably no off-road –yet .? And I only travel a couple miles to/from
work.? However.. I do want it able to take camp trips maybe over semi
rugged roads. And in the case of the Zombie Apocalypse or the complete
unraveling of America... a home to live in as I bug out of the city.
?
<wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>
?
?
?
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
How
much do you use the vehicle?? That would determine how the rebuild should
go.? Sometimes all you need is the carrier and pinion brgs.? If the
cups to these bearings look? reasonably shiny, then bearings are OK.?
If they are badly pitted, replace.? If slightly burnished, I use
them.? Same for ring and pinion.? Some pits are OK.? some rust
ok.
?
I have not been following you so if you want to lay out the issues, there
are some pretty brainy back yard mechanics here.? Or in my case, you can
call and I can listen.? I don't have my Willys any longer but apparently
still have some parts. 4352752118
SF
On 10/15/2020 10:07 PM, AWORKOFMARC
wrote:
?
?
No actually I am not sure parts are bad.? So I just asked Kaisers
to cancel my order. !!!
?
I’m going about this all wrong. Kaisers is all to happy to sell me
stuff –no fault of theirs –they’re in BUSINESS – but I am a complete stupid
ass trying to throw money at something to fix the damn thing when it’s not
even apart yet to SEE what’s wrong.
?
And I don’t know squat about this deep level mechanic stuff so I have
to take it to mechanics... AND being they need turn over it’s not like the
thing can sit there for weeks while it’s in parts waiting for the right
stuff to get ordered and arrive.
?
Sorry to be complaining here.. but maybe it’s time to sell. I am at my
wits end over this. I get conflicting answers and most people (save you and
few others on here) don’t know what they’re talking about
?
I NEEEEEEEEED answers and guidance can I pay you to help walk me
through this and get the right thing done.
?
?
?
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
Those
would be axle gears? Spyders are the ones that have no splines.
Are you sure your old parts are bad?
?
?
Welcome to my nightmare.
?
The guy at Kaiser’s Willy sold me spider gears for 10 spline today...
(along with $800. more worth of differential parts)
?
that I now understand from your message would be for the front not
the back...? I’m a gonna bang my head against the wall for awhile
now. See if that helps.
?
I know next to nothing about this stuff –I have a good mechanic but
he does not rebuild differentials... that’s being done by someone else...
so the plan was to get all the parts and then have it done.? Cause
the Willys just can’t sit there taking up his space.
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
Well
Marc,
Scout ll axles are not 10 spline, they are 30.? You could put
the entire Scout ll rear end in by removing and rewelding the spring
perches with the correct drive shaft angle, 5 degrees UP.? But those
are usually 354:1 ratio.
I have to look, but I may have wagon axle shafts that are 19
spline.? I think a? 57 Dana 44 wagon would be 19 spline.?
You can check the axle gears in the differential to see.? The 41
axles were much earlier weren’t they?? Those could possibly be 10
spline from the 40’s.? The front Dana 25 is 10 spline.?
I have a Scout ll complete rear axle, but shipping it is crazy.
Pruit
?
?
?
Might have his the wall this time... After literally shoveling
money this year into the mechanics and engine of my Willys Wagon... New
rebuilt engine, disc brake conversion... 10K and counting...? the
most recent –$1,000. for just the parts for the complete rear
differentials rebuild...
?
I’ve hit the wall now trying to find the respective axle shafts
Dana 41/44, 10 spline for a Willys Wagon 57.
?
I was told a a smart guy at the salvage yard that?the
1974-1980 International Scout II 10 spline, Dana 41/44 axle shafts were
far superior –needing just a small weld to adjust the spring perches but
those are proving every bit as hard to find.?
?
I’m doomed if I don’t find these...
DOOMED.
Someone please help save a Willys’ life!!!
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
|
Re: Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in LA
You may have explained your situation and I missed it.... but, if you already have sensible transportation (20 year old Honda Civic?) and view the Willys as entertainment, then give yourself time. ?I've been working in our wagon for 24 years (actually used it regularly for 7). ?The vehicle is improving year by year. ?I'm at the $15k mark now (about $11k USD). ?If I were to sell now, I'd have a hard time getting half my money back - this isn't a good time to sell - many people are desperate for cash and buyers know that.
If you will permit some advice from an old guy, slow down, find someone who can house the vehicle or at least allow you to put a tarp tent over it; find some older guys who can help you/ supply tools*** and slowly convert you into a back yard mechanic provided you have the time and energy. ?Simply paying for all work will likely lead to frustration - no one will do as good a job these days as you can.
Be very careful about the word "love".
Cheers, Pavel up North
***warning... borrowing tools can get you into trouble - it's better to get the tool owner to operate the tool.
On 2020-10-16, at 8:42 AM, AWORKOFMARC wrote:
“How
much do you use the vehicle?”? a better question is –How much do I LOVE
this vehicle? I don’t know what this wagon did to my brain... Voodoo I
suspect... But, lock, stock and barrel... it got me.
?
I love this thing like it was my kid. As much as it royally pisses me off
sometimes like any rebellious teenager.? And nearly costs as much as
one.
?
But I want it done right... so I have a daily driver if I want.?
Probably no off-road –yet .? And I only travel a couple miles to/from
work.? However.. I do want it able to take camp trips maybe over semi
rugged roads. And in the case of the Zombie Apocalypse or the complete
unraveling of America... a home to live in as I bug out of the city.
?
<wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>
?
?
?
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
How
much do you use the vehicle?? That would determine how the rebuild should
go.? Sometimes all you need is the carrier and pinion brgs.? If the
cups to these bearings look? reasonably shiny, then bearings are OK.?
If they are badly pitted, replace.? If slightly burnished, I use
them.? Same for ring and pinion.? Some pits are OK.? some rust
ok.
?
I have not been following you so if you want to lay out the issues, there
are some pretty brainy back yard mechanics here.? Or in my case, you can
call and I can listen.? I don't have my Willys any longer but apparently
still have some parts. 4352752118
SF
On 10/15/2020 10:07 PM, AWORKOFMARC
wrote:
?
?
No actually I am not sure parts are bad.? So I just asked Kaisers
to cancel my order. !!!
?
I’m going about this all wrong. Kaisers is all to happy to sell me
stuff –no fault of theirs –they’re in BUSINESS – but I am a complete stupid
ass trying to throw money at something to fix the damn thing when it’s not
even apart yet to SEE what’s wrong.
?
And I don’t know squat about this deep level mechanic stuff so I have
to take it to mechanics... AND being they need turn over it’s not like the
thing can sit there for weeks while it’s in parts waiting for the right
stuff to get ordered and arrive.
?
Sorry to be complaining here.. but maybe it’s time to sell. I am at my
wits end over this. I get conflicting answers and most people (save you and
few others on here) don’t know what they’re talking about
?
I NEEEEEEEEED answers and guidance can I pay you to help walk me
through this and get the right thing done.
?
?
?
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
Those
would be axle gears? Spyders are the ones that have no splines.
Are you sure your old parts are bad?
?
?
Welcome to my nightmare.
?
The guy at Kaiser’s Willy sold me spider gears for 10 spline today...
(along with $800. more worth of differential parts)
?
that I now understand from your message would be for the front not
the back...? I’m a gonna bang my head against the wall for awhile
now. See if that helps.
?
I know next to nothing about this stuff –I have a good mechanic but
he does not rebuild differentials... that’s being done by someone else...
so the plan was to get all the parts and then have it done.? Cause
the Willys just can’t sit there taking up his space.
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
Well
Marc,
Scout ll axles are not 10 spline, they are 30.? You could put
the entire Scout ll rear end in by removing and rewelding the spring
perches with the correct drive shaft angle, 5 degrees UP.? But those
are usually 354:1 ratio.
I have to look, but I may have wagon axle shafts that are 19
spline.? I think a? 57 Dana 44 wagon would be 19 spline.?
You can check the axle gears in the differential to see.? The 41
axles were much earlier weren’t they?? Those could possibly be 10
spline from the 40’s.? The front Dana 25 is 10 spline.?
I have a Scout ll complete rear axle, but shipping it is crazy.
Pruit
?
?
?
Might have his the wall this time... After literally shoveling
money this year into the mechanics and engine of my Willys Wagon... New
rebuilt engine, disc brake conversion... 10K and counting...? the
most recent –$1,000. for just the parts for the complete rear
differentials rebuild...
?
I’ve hit the wall now trying to find the respective axle shafts
Dana 41/44, 10 spline for a Willys Wagon 57.
?
I was told a a smart guy at the salvage yard that?the
1974-1980 International Scout II 10 spline, Dana 41/44 axle shafts were
far superior –needing just a small weld to adjust the spring perches but
those are proving every bit as hard to find.?
?
I’m doomed if I don’t find these...
DOOMED.
Someone please help save a Willys’ life!!!
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
|
Re: Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in LA
Long email –sorry. :|
?
What alerted me to problems was there’s a big clank noise coupled with a
kind of singlular physical jolt or thump that I felt shudder vibrate through the
floor. It seemed to happen intermittently but in a couple months happened more
often and louder. Sometimes more / less pronounced. But when it was pronounced
it was very audible too. “CLANK!”
?
Seems to happen mostly only in 1st when forward or reversing. sometimes
when I turned corners and going over bumps or dips.? Anyways.. replaced the
rear leaf springs with brand new.... + all new attachment parts. Ah nope. No
fixie.? Still made the noise.
?
My mechanic friend –old school guy been a mechanic all his life (along with
another old school guy that I think specializes in rebuilding differentials)
–diagnosed it to be the differentials.
?
That’s where I’m at.? Nothing is apart yet that I know of.. but I
bought all the stuff to replace it through Kaisers. Hoping I could save time
sitting at the mechanics taking up valuable time / space and ordering parts then
.... waiting for the to ship.
?
Now I‘m understanding that not all parts need replacement and it’s spending
$$$ where I don’t need too.
?
Had a incredibly kind offer from a guy off this list for differentials that
were already rebuilt –those were for a 53.
?
Clearly that would be the best way to go IF they’ll fit a 57....!?
?
So If so.. I’ll return the Kaiser parts and buy these.?
?
?
?
?
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Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
Are
the rear ends making noise?? Howling type noise that increases with speed.
Is there a huge amount of rotational slack that could be attributed to the
diffs?? These types of things would indicate you might want to remove the
diff cover and see what is going on.
Howling usually means a bearing has gone bad.
Some users drove their willys through rivers and the diffs got water and
the grease was never changed= howling .
?
LOL... that funny.
And just in time for Halloween
?
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Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WillysTech] Axle Shaft Search -- Nightmare in
LA
?
It's
enough to give you a case of the Willy's.? ;)
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RJ Kanary
Don Wood
Skip Owens
AWORKOFMARC