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The Colebrookdale Comet: The Delaware Turtle Rides Again 2
This video depicts a surviving Brill model 55 motorcar. Remember TAG ran two of these branded as ¡°The Scooter¡±. For the first half or so they are running in reverse. Later you see it traveling forward. Not sure if the horn on the TAG Scooters sounded the same. The TAG cars came with gasoline engines but were later retrofitted with diesels. Other larger railroads ran these on branch lines including the CofG and NC&StL. Warren https://youtu.be/sMW0ulhQgn4?si=Qx8vr7f67mzuP3t-
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Hamilton National Bank, Main Street Branch ¡¤ Digital Collections, Local History & Genealogy ¡¤ Collections | Chattanooga Public Library
This link should carry you to a link to a pic of the Siskin Building where TAG was headquartered at the end. Note the corporate name and herald on the window. Southern placed dumpsters below these windows and tossed the TAG corporate files and records into them and hauled them to a landfill. Warren https://collections.chattlibrary.org/s/localhistory/item/11123#lg=1&slide=0
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Railroad watches
? I think I mentioned before that I became interested in railroad history after becoming interested in railroad watches. Railroaders had to submit their watches to an approved inspector and he would indicate on a card if the watch was keeping accurate time. Railroad men could not set their watches, only the approved inspector/watchmaker could. To set a railroad watch, you have to take the cover off of the dial and trip a leaver. They had to keep this card on their person at all times. I have had this filled out Central of Georgia Railway watch inspection card for years but have never been able to get my hands on a TAG version until today. Too bad it was not filled out. The CofG subscribed to the Ball Time Service. Southern used the National Railway Time Service. Your time service or general time inspector oversees the local watchmaker/inspectors and sets the standards for timekeeping and what watches are acceptable for employee use. You see that the CofG man is in fact carrying a Ball pocket watch. A 999B trademark Official Railroad Standard. Ball never made their own watches, they had them made by companies such as Hamilton and this particular watch, according to the serial number, was made in 1951 by Hamilton. The TAG card does contain a tidbit of information about who their general time inspector was. Someone named A. F. Steinhoefel. No idea who he was or, where he was located and what local watchmakers TAG employees were allowed to use. I wish I could find a list of approved watches for TAG. CofG and Southern employees timetables list the local inspector and in the case of later Southern additions, the approved watches. You find something new TAG and gain more questions to go along with it. The TAG card has an area for the inspector to indicate if the watch had been allowed to run down. Some railroads fined an employee if he let this happen. Since RR folks worked revolving hours, some early railroad watches came with a wind indicator which let the employees know when the watch needed winding. Note also that both cards want the inspector to indicate if the pendant (winding stem) was at 12 or 3. Most people maintain that pendant at the 3 was illegal for railroad use. Movements with the pendant at 3 were designed for hunter cases (the watch with the lid over the dial) which were illegal for a railroad man. A watch had to be open faced and have Arabic numerals. Roman numerals were not allowed. I have mostly Ball watches in my collection because I grew up in a CofG town. In WW1 the wristwatch became popular because it was hard for soldiers to access a pocket watch under all their clothes and gear. Because it was hard to miniaturize a watch to railroad standards of accuracy, the railroad stuck with pocket watches; only approving wristwatches about 1960. As American watch brands began to fade and Ball began to have trouble getting their watches made domestically, they had one model Swiss made about 1960. Hamilton made the last American made railroad pocket watch in 1969 before they closed their doors and the Hamilton name became the intellectual property of a Swiss concern. Railroad men continued carried approved pocket watches decades after the last ones were made. Warren
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Siskin Building
Other than operating employees and track folks, TAG people lost their jobs when the merger took place. Or so I thought?!?! I always assumed that there was no TAG office presence left in Chattanooga. Everything was run from Washington D. C. Where Southern was headquartered and from wherever the Crescent Div. was headquartered. New Orleans maybe? But I recently picked up a letter written by TAG executive T. Stanly Barr. The date is 13 July 1972 and the letterhead has Tennessee, Alabama & Georgia Railway Company spelled across the top and with the pre merger Siskin Building address. Before you say that he was simply using old stationary, there is a big but faint watermark in the center of the page of the Sou. Ry. Logo. How long after the merger was there a TAG remnant of management? At some point after the merger, the Siskin building was destroyed by a gas explosion. When TAG was independent, they had the company name and herald painted on the windows. The same herald seen on that forwarded annual report. The more you uncover the more you don¡¯t understand. Warren
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Last annual report
I had always thought that the 1968 TA&G annual report was the last issued prior to the Southern takeover. Well I was wrong. There was an abbreviated report for 1969. Unlike the magazine sized reports of years past, it was essentially a booklet. It stated that Southern tendered their offer on 11 July 1969. Warren
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Timetable consolidation
The first Southern employee timetable that TAG appears in was Crescent Division #21 dated March 1, 1971. Southern had a practice of adding operating rules references above most subjects in their timetables. The first timetable with a merged road always includes the rule numbers from both rule books. Note in the attached, they refer to both the Southern and the TA&G rule number. You see this with CofG lines, when they were consolidated into a Southern timetable. Many rules are numbered the same but many more are not. Southern has many redundant rules that read essentially the same. Warren
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Kodak safety film
I just bought some medium format negatives that are builders photos of Chattanooga Southern (TAG predecessor) freight cars. The Chattanooga Southern name went the way of the dodo in 1911 when the TAG name came about. These are on Kodak Safety Film. Originally film could spontaneously combust and so Kodak came out with Safety Film in roughly 1910. I sort of doubt these are original and are perhaps large copy negatives. I would have to think that even if they are very good copy negatives, as I can see no photo border, that at this point in time, and copyright has expired. Anyone know about photo negatives copyright?
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Industrial sights guide 3
You may recall my referencing a guide to potential industry sights along TAG. The listing I just sent from eBay is that guide. Note the picture of the boat on the cover. TAG actually owned that boat and used it to entertain customers and potential customers. Not the most exciting TAG item you can add to your collection but I have gleaned good information from my copy. Warren
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FW: [TheNewHOModelTrainTrader] FS: Atlas DC Loco Pair 2
Passing this along¡­ Steve Johnson Nashville, TN From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David F via groups.io Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2024 3:18 PM To: HOswap New; [email protected] Subject: [TheNewHOModelTrainTrader] FS: Atlas DC Loco Pair For Sale: Excess items Pair (2 engines), Atlas, DC, locomotives. Selling as a set/pair only. Item 8989, GP-38 High Nose, Early Version, Tennessee, Alabama & Georgia Rwy, # 80 Item 8646, GP-7, Tennessee, Alabama & Georgia Rwy, # 708 Very little run time, clean, excellent condition. $100.00 for the pair. Est shipping $23.50, CONUS only Check or MO. Dave in SC Sent from AOL on Android Virus-free.www.avg.com
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65th Atlanta Model Train Show - THIS Saturday, August 24, 2024
Please cross-post and share. See you at the show! ------------------------------------------------------ 65th Atlanta Model Train Show THIS Saturday, August 24, 2024 9:00 AM to 4:00 PM Gas South Convention Center (Formerly the Infinite Energy Forum) 6400 Sugarloaf Parkway, Duluth, Georgia 30097 Atlanta's OLDEST and LARGEST MODEL TRAIN and RAILROADIANA SHOW Over 375 Tables (60,000+ square feet) of Model Trains and Railroad Collectibles For Sale ! This show- 50+ G Scale Tables, including USA Trains manufacturer Seven Operating Layouts ! Admission $12, Children under 12 Free. Early admission $25. Good for all times. Parking deck - $5 for up to 12 hours, credit/debit card only Admission discount card http://www.gserr.com/shows/AtlantaDiscountAug2024.pdf For Dealer Contracts and Show Information contact: Charlie Miller 3106 N. Rochester Street Arlington, VA 22213 Telephone :703-536-2954 Fax: 703-241-7027 e-mail: rrshows@... Web Site: www.gserr.com
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65th Atlanta Model Train Show - Saturday, August 24, 2024
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Dispatcher¡¯s sheets part 1 4
I had to clear out some old photos in the group in case these put us over group file limit. This is Tuesday 26 Jan. Note, Southern owned TAG at this point - since 1 Jan. - but TAG ran as always until being incorporated into the Crescent Div. in March. The separate typed and scotch taped on paper appears to be the days lineup. Warren
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Part 2 3
This is the next day and the one with the Southern extra. Attached is the separate lineup and what appears to be an amended lineup. Warren
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Southern extras to Dicky 3
I think we previously discussed the fact, that according to a 1960s list of potential industrial sites located along TAG, that Southern Railway supposedly had trackage rights on the TAG as far south as Dicky. And that any shipper who located there could expect to be served by either railroads. We are not talking about far. Arnold, correct me if I am wrong but Dicky is maybe a mile or so below the TN/GA state line. At that time I speculated that perhaps these trackage rights dated back to the Chattanooga Belt Railway during the time both properties were owned by C. E. James. And that although these rights still stood, they were probably never used. Well I stand corrected. Two TAG dispatchers sheets showed up on EBay and I bought them both. On one there is a Southern extra to Dicky listed. Extra 2246 south and extra 307 north. These two locomotives swapped lead after they ran around whatever their train was. I don¡¯t have my CofG roster in front of me but if memory serves the 307 was a former CofG SW9. And I am really bad with Southern switchers but I think the 2246 was maybe an NW2. It gave the names of the Southern conductor and engineer etc. What industry was this Southern extra trying to reach!?!?! I always assumed that the Belt Railway was accessing Dicky Clay but I don¡¯t recall anything located in Dicky in the diesel era. When the Belt Railway was a Southern (AGS) property. Does anyone know? I know that Souther took tank cars down to the state line and got fuel at the tank farm. But I don¡¯t think that would be considered Dicky? The tank farm was at the state line and I believe the industrial track to the tank farm originated above the state line and on Belt Railway trackage. Unless Dicky was the start of yard limits and they were just using it as a point of reference/clearance. But then why assign extra status to a train in yard limits? When you get these sorts of documents they answer one question and cause a dozen more. When I get a chance I¡¯ll scan or take a picture of the two sheets I have found. And I¡¯ll post them. They were mailed in tubes so they have a curl. I¡¯ll have to stick them down on my magnetic board. With work etc. it may be a few days. Warren
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TAG coffee mug
Well my TAG coffee mug was waiting on me today, when I got in from N. Carolina. Be forewarned if you are on the fence, it is a big mug; 16 ounces as a matter of fact. But I must say the artwork is very impressive. Very often people leave out details such as some very thin accent lines in the letters T, A and G. I have no complaints out of the box. We¡¯ll see how she holds up. I am already two cups of coffee in. Warren > On Jun 7, 2024, at 4:00 PM, WARREN STEPHENS <wdstephens@...> wrote: > > ?I know this is spendy for a coffee mug but hey, I bet with a mug like that, your coffee tastes better. Now we need a full set of five. Add 708, 709, 50 and 80!!!! My wife is not happy that I hunted down two complete sets of McDonalds 1980 vintage Garfield mugs. But besides that and a few squadron mugs, I don¡¯t consider my coffee mug collection excessive. > > Warren > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 7, 2024, at 3:50 PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote: >> >> ?https://www.ebay.com/itm/325784043342?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=54a9Tt8-TPG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=EO9F6sUQTm-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=EMAIL >> >> >> >> >>
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Public timetables 4
Well I thought I would share copies of the only two TAG passenger timetables that I have managed to find. The smaller and less elegant version from 1923 came in the mail yesterday but the 1912 variant has been in my collection for a few years now. The dealer I bought the 1912 steam era variant from said I would never find another because he had been a timetable collector for decades and it was the only one he had ever seen. They are both very delicate. The latest one I found in an action not listed under railroad memorabilia but in a collection of WW2 ration stamps from a person who had lived in Menlo. Dumb luck that I even saw it as the stamps were the focus of the action. The 1912 is perhaps the first issued under the TAG name. The 1923 is perhaps the first issue of the scooter era. Note how it plays up the motorcar service by bragging about the lack of smoke and cinders and dust. I don¡¯t know about you but after a steam excursion I can tell how much fun I had by the size of the bathtub ring. I always thought that TAG only offered a local Chattanooga turn. With the exception of the very limited time they offered through coach service via their connection at Gadsden with the L&N. This was back in the Chattanooga Southern era. But look very carefully, there was scooter service in 1923 that also originated and returned to Gadsden. Four trains involving both scooters, a turn in each direction, from each terminal. I have never seen this mentioned before. The employees timetable from October 1915 does list trains one through four but trains one and two are Monday through Saturday and trains three and four are Sunday only with a slightly different schedule. Most TAG historians believed that they bought both scooters to have one in reserve and to protect the schedule if the primary car needed maintenance. It is known that TAG had on order, a third car from Brill, but they canceled this order. Perhaps they soon realized that the passenger yield was never going to support service in both directions so they in fact, didn¡¯t need the third spare car. Oddly enough and about this same time, TAG bought a handful of surplus passenger coaches from the Central of Georgia. I believe these were for use with a northeast style milk train operation being purposed, servicing dairies in the Chattanooga Valley. But that is pure speculation on my part based on a few newspaper articles. Well let me know what you think. And sorry for my sock feet in the background. These were both single pages folded in the middle to make four panels. Warren
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Employees timetables
One of the little mysteries for me has been, why have no 1950s and 1960s TAG diesel era employees timetables ever turned up. I had a timetable collector tell me that he thought he remembered seeing one from the 1950s. In another conversation with the late president of the Aberdeen & Rockfish railroad and shortline railroad historian Ed Lewis, he postulated that perhaps #28 from 1943 was the last issue and that perhaps they ran freight trains going forward as extras but continued to use 28 till the Southern takeover. Well Ed was right. TAG used 28 right up to the end. I know this because I have recently seen a TAG dispatcher¡¯s train sheet from the merger timeframe and hand written under timetable was 28. I have a copy of 28 and recently examined another and they are slightly different sizes. Obviously two different printings. Well maybe this doesn¡¯t mean much to you all but I have always loved collecting employees timetables from TAG and Central of Georgia and I at least know that going forward I need to look backwards and not ahead regarding TAG. Warren
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